Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~

[Salsabil Faria]

Shit I forgot to send the role pm before posting that

Btw, hi everyone, give me some time to catch up

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Sorry for being inactive, my internet is getting slow these days.

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What!!! I'm on page 12 only and

ItalianoVD

is one of my townreads so far

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Well, stopped at 15 today, will start tomorrow again.

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I'm here now, due to some unavoidable reasons irl I had to take V/LA, really sorry for that

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Ok, I completed 15 pages last time, but don't have enough time to catch up now before the deadline (again apologize ), can all of you help me by stating this: who do you want to eliminate today and why? If you can't give detailed reasons, a summary will be good also.

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V/LA for 2 days due to exams.

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In the last 2 days, I had a total of 9.5 hours of sleep only, my brain is not working properly at the moment. I'm really sorry that I didn't contribute at all as my rl was messed up for some days especially to

Noraa

, kind of embarrassed too

Btw, I did finish reading till Day 2 and just see the flip results which makes me wonder, how did the 2 night kills happen on the same night?

Iirc what I read on Day 1 and Day 2, my read list looks like this:

Town:

MURDERCAT

,

Momranga

Null:

Toogeloo

,

JohnnyFarrar

,

Titus

Scum:

Infinity 324

,

In the beginning

I will provide the details reason tomorrow after ISOing + need to read the Day 3 posts + need a 12-hour long-straight sleep.

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I mean I'm not voting infinity so

Damn! Who do you scumread then?

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Beginning, so we are on the same page. There were some things that make me think they are anti aligned, but I wouldn't be surprised if those things were planted and they are both scum.

Well, I still need to ISO him to clearly present my read but as far as I remember, on Day 1, he started with openwolfing by posting shit posts, then he got serious by posting game-related content which I find scummy as most of his serious posts were theory-based (hope I remember right ), like as scum, he had to act like a town so, other than theoretical words, he didn't have much to do? Then on Day 2, it was seemed okay for some time but then this 618 happened which gives me a very bad vibe.

[Salsabil Faria]

my read list looks like this

What about Dann?

Thought I add him, btw, he is on my scumlist. If we have 3 scums then between him and

Infinity 324

, there is at least 1 scum.

[Salsabil Faria]

Well, I'm trusting you

Infinity 324

here, so you're conftown. I'm leaning town on

MURDERCAT

and

Titus

. My POE will be {

Dannflor

,

JohnnyFarrar

,

Toogeloo

}.

[Salsabil Faria]

Of the 7 alive the only ones I'm willing to vote are dann, toogs, and salsa. Any objections there?

Yes, I am not liking my name here.

Toog and salsa have both felt town to me, but also I don't know where the other scum could be so idk

What is your current read list?

Of the 7 alive the only ones I'm willing to vote are dann, toogs, and salsa. Any objections there?

Probably those are my top 3

Why do you townread

JohnnyFarrar

?

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VOTE: gamma to counter. I think a vote on me is easy and lazy and the rule of three thing just feels half hearted

Town because the role card says so.

VOTE: Statuesurfer

Catch y'all tomorrow

Flipped town.

VOTE: Titus

Town-locking her because she seems townie to me +

Haschel Cedricson

's interaction with her.

VOTE: Aristo-faynes

I like Haschel, they make me feel bad about myself

This is interesting, can be bussing to get towncred. And the comment on

Haschel Cedricson

here is also interesting in the sense that I won't be surprised if you made the night kill on them.

VOTE: beginning

Anything for you bb

Another town flip.

I didn't play with you before, maybe that's why don't understand why you're not on the POE list of others, cause the rest of your posts are seeming either garbage or NAI to me.

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Well, I'm going to stick with my 1st scum choice rn...

VOTE: Dannflor

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Sorry, are we mass claiming? If so, then I'll claim too.

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I don't like the idea of both an Alien and a JK, so my current solve is Infinity and Dann.

By seeing the roles' names, JK can't be a role too, at least not named as a JK? Not sure though, I didn't play on these types of weird roles named games before. I also didn't see

MURDERCAT

and

Infinity 324

as TvT at first, but she claimed N1 N3 JK later, and I'm still townreading

MURDERCAT

.

[Salsabil Faria]

I am an odd night motion detector.

Night 1, I detected no motion on/from MurderCat.
Night 3, I detected motion on/from Dannflor.

No motion on MC was one of the reasons I was town reading him harder on Day 2.

Dann needs to claim.

So, at N2, there were 2 night kills but at N3, there was 1. The motion you detected can be

from

Dannflor

ig. Also, by keeping JK alive, why the mafia team go for

Momrangal

?

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Dannflor

[Salsabil Faria]

I keep thinking about one thing, let's just say I believe

Infinity 324

's and

Toogeloo

's claims. Now, we see at N2, there were 2 kills which means the mafia team has 2 killer roles, right? Now, from

Toogeloo

's N1 result and from

Infinity 324

's N3 result we can sort

MURDERCAT

as a conftown? Cause I bet both killer scums use their powers to kill 2 townies but

Infinity 324

's jailing save

MURDERCAT

from the nk? If that so, then the last 2 scums are in between

Dannflor

,

JohnnyFarrar

and

Titus

. My POE will be this: {

Dannflor

,

Titus

,

JohnnyFarrar

}.

VOTE: Dannflor

(E-2)

You can't be lurking till the last day, can you?

[Salsabil Faria]

Now, we see at N2, there were 2 kills which means the mafia team has 2 killer roles, right?

Not possible in a normal, also one of the deaths was scum. I suspect we have a N2 vig

gReAt! We need the mass claim then. It's becoming too complicated for me tbh. What will be the serial of claiming after

Dannflor

? Me>

JohnnyFarrar

>

Titus

>

MURDERCAT

is good?

[Salsabil Faria]

I think Damn is due for a prod soon, but we can't yet him if he decides to lurk out.

Scum could maybe have just given up too.

Or they want to stop the mass-claim scenario?

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Do you want me to claim now then? I have no problem claiming anytime.

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What will you do if he doesn't show up?

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Ok, zeeping my mouth then...

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@Mod

, will

Dannflor

be proded soon? Or he still has time? Growing old here for his claim

[Salsabil Faria]

(expired on 2021-03-24 12:40:21)

For the day over??

[Salsabil Faria]

(expired on 2021-03-24 12:40:21)

For the day over??

Sorry, nevermind.

[Salsabil Faria]

So far for claims/flipped roles, we have:

Loyal alien
Backup gunsmith
N1,3 JK
Odd-night motion detector

Plus some sort of vig power

What kind of SPR roles you can guess against these TPR roles? I'm not good at guessing roles yet, so...

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Lol, already get proded twice, had to post something

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Had to try to steal the pagetop from you Noraa

Do not spam please
-Noraa

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Aaaaaaaannnnnnddddddd...............................

SUCCEDED!!!

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Had to try to steal the pagetop from you Noraa

Do not spam please
-Noraa

1st and the last time, will never happen in this game again.

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I'm a VT

What a slip!

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Btw, are we doing mass-claiming or not? And in what particular order?

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Yup, np.

Spoiler:

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Just to inform that I'll be busy tomorrow, have an exam on Friday.

[Salsabil Faria]

If I go to lylo then I'm afraid it'll be mafias' win, 90% chance at least, that can be a reason of keeping me alive till now. I'm not good at guessing roles or cross-connection them yet + for some rl issues, couldn't invest myself properly in this game, it'll be easy to manipulate me or town to lead another miselimination.

Dannflor

is the confirmed scum here I believe, so eliminate me today, then eliminate him on Day 5.

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How the hell 2 nk happened again when the vigi is dead himself!!!!???

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I feel like an idiot for JKing murder now

Wait, wait.... if you jk

MURDERCAT

, then how the hell he was killed????????

[Salsabil Faria]

Wait again! So okay....

MURDERCAT

vigi shooted

JohnnyFarrar

then, that's why 2 nk. Btw

Infinity 324

, if you jk him last night then how the hell he used his vigi power, and even got killed??????

VOTE: Infinity 324

[Salsabil Faria]

I JKed him on N3, also a vig being NKed doesn't stop his shot. All kills happen at the same time

Oops!

UNVOTE: Infinity 324

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, you're an odd night jk, right?

Toogeloo

is also an odd night PR Are we screwed?

[Salsabil Faria]

I can understand why you are confused about me, but if you can check my current (running+completed) games, I was absent for the same days I was absent here. If I could be invested like my previous games, things will be different. That's why I said yesterday to eliminate me. I was/am sure that I am kept alive for the miselimination purpose.
So, you and

Toogeloo

are conftowns, I'm the last VT, it's

Titus

then.

VOTE: Titus

[Salsabil Faria]

Please

trust

me
Btw, why

MURDERCAT

chose

JohnnyFarrar

over

Titus

? I was thinking he was townreading

JohnnyFarrar

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Titus

[Salsabil Faria]

I can understand why you are confused about me, but if you can check my current (running+completed) games, I was absent for the same days I was absent here. If I could be invested like my previous games, things will be different. That's why I said yesterday to eliminate me. I was/am sure that I am kept alive for the miselimination purpose.
So, you and

Toogeloo

are conftowns, I'm the last VT, it's

Titus

then.

VOTE: Titus

Why is Toog conftown?

Aren't these clear

Toogeloo

?

Spoiler:

I am an odd night motion detector.

Night 1, I detected no motion on/from MurderCat.
Night 3, I detected motion on/from Dannflor.

No motion on MC was one of the reasons I was town reading him harder on Day 2.

Dann needs to claim.

yes okay gotcha

I apologize for my inactivity and it's NAI but of course I will say that

I'm a VT

Did you realize toog motion detected you last night and got a positive

@SF, Why is your response to merely unvote me when I ask you why Toog is conftown as opposed to likely town?

My unvote wasn't the response of your 1198. I didn't see the post or any posts that time. It was past midnight, I was in bed but couldn't sleep, kept thinking about which will be more beneficial for town between elimination and no-elimination. We are 4 alive: 3 towns + 1 scum. If we miseliminate then it'll be the mafia's win. If we don't eliminate anyone, the town still has a chance. By calculating this, login into the game, unvoted, then went to sleep.

VOTE: No-elimination

[Salsabil Faria]

If I'm scum, I have to be a JK or roleblocker right?

Mafia can have JK too??

If it's all the same to everyone else, I'd rather just try to finish the game today while I'm alive (since the consensus is that I am the obvious night kill tonight). A no elimination just takes my voice away from the game.

A miselimination today, mafia will win automatically! No-elimination is the clever option for the town rn.

@Toog, I'd rather force scum to take that consensus kill. We'll still talk long enough for your voice to be heard today and ask any sorting questions. If scum don't kill you, then they really think you'll misvote or are the scum. We learn something from not eliminating someone today.

Totally agree.

So...

Infinity townread everyone.
Titus townread myself and Infinity.
Salsa townread myself and Infinity.
I can find reasons to scum read everyone.

Does this about sum things up?
>_>

Does this sum up

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw

Titus

, don't know if you remember (cause I totally forgot), you were in my 1st mafia game (Newbie 2035 - Movie Facts) I had been thinking the whole time that it's our 1st meet, lol.

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Infinity 324

23: 1st pinged post from you. Why you posted this after

Titus

's 22?

52: How you vote

MURDERCAT

became serious on page 3?

61, 65, 67, 70, 72, 74, 78, 89, 92, 119, 123, 130, 169, 255, 257, 259, 261, 264, 270, 372: Scum!you started

fake casing

on

MURDERCAT

on the basis of

gut

, sometimes

meta

(some things look like TMI to me) and were continuing later. I started scumread you there because also agreed with

Momrangal

's 231 and

In the beginning

's

329

later.

65: Exactly what kind of

contribution

you wanted from

MURDERCAT

then while you guys were on page 3?

70, 169: LAMIST from scum!you.

171: Interesting reads you gave there, will keep that in mind.

185: 2nd pinged post from you. Your vote on

JohnnyFarrar

here after

Titus

's 184 seems opportunistic from scum!you perspective.

221: What did you mean there? While the rest of the players were scumreading

StatueSurfer

, you were townreading then for their 218?

242: You and your gut read!

252: Scum!you

subtly

supported/ wanted to save partner

Aristophanes

there.

273: 3rd pinged post from you. After

strongly

scmureading

MURDERCAT

for a while, what changed your mind there suddenly?

321: Why? Getting a weird feeling on this. Weird as in scum!you again

subtly

supported/wanted to save partner

JacksonVirgo/Dannflor

there.

343: 4th pinged post from you. If I understand correctly, by the

last couple posts

you meant these posts: {334, 335, 337, 339} which are NAI to me, and 341 which was the only one game-related post before you unvote

JohnnyFarrar

which also seems NAI or nothing at all?

383, 385: This can be

fake

hesitation to get towncred after

StatueSurfer

's flip.

End of the Day 1

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw,

no-one hammer today

, I need more time to ISO diving for all of you. If anyone will do that, he/she/they is/are the last scum!

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Infinity 324

23: 1st pinged post from you. Why you posted this after

Titus

's 22?

52: How you vote

MURDERCAT

became serious on page 3?

61, 65, 67, 70, 72, 74, 78, 89, 92, 119, 123, 130, 169, 255, 257, 259, 261, 264, 270, 372: Scum!you started

fake casing

on

MURDERCAT

on the basis of

gut

, sometimes

meta

(some things look like TMI to me) and were continuing later. I started scumread you there because also agreed with

Momrangal

's 231 and

In the beginning

's

329

later.

65: Exactly what kind of

contribution

you wanted from

MURDERCAT

then while you guys were on page 3?

70, 169: LAMIST from scum!you.

171: Interesting reads you gave there, will keep that in mind.

185: 2nd pinged post from you. Your vote on

JohnnyFarrar

here after

Titus

's 184 seems opportunistic from scum!you perspective.

221: What did you mean there? While the rest of the players were scumreading

StatueSurfer

, you were townreading then for their 218?

242: You and your gut read!

252: Scum!you

subtly

supported/ wanted to save partner

Aristophanes

there.

273: 3rd pinged post from you. After

strongly

scmureading

MURDERCAT

for a while, what changed your mind there suddenly?

321: Why? Getting a weird feeling on this. Weird as in scum!you again

subtly

supported/wanted to save partner

JacksonVirgo/Dannflor

there.

343: 4th pinged post from you. If I understand correctly, by the

last couple posts

you meant these posts: {334, 335, 337, 339} which are NAI to me, and 341 which was the only one game-related post before you unvote

JohnnyFarrar

which also seems NAI or nothing at all?

383, 385: This can be

fake

hesitation to get towncred after

StatueSurfer

's flip.

End of the Day 1

446: By

I wasn't on the wagon

you meant you weren't on

StatueSurfer

's wagon while a wagon was building/was tried to build against you by

Momrangal

and

In the beginning

?

449: Good post.

471: It was early of Day 2, so I don't think (?) buss-vote was required from scum!you atm. Also, can be staged?

490: Weak reason to vote

ItalianoVD/Haschel Cedricson

as town or forced reason to vote as scum there.

493: Hmm....will keep this in mind.

495: Meh as town or forced/TMI as scum.

502: How? I was townreading both of them that moment FYI.

509: Scumhunting as town. Staged as scum?

541: Contradiction?

553: Why did you unvote

ItalianoVD/Haschel Cedricson

that time?

557: Reason?

560, 564, 583, 640, 722, 770: Pushing

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot here feels townie than scummy I think?

644: Again, maybe

subtle

support/save for

Aristophanes

.

694: Can be intentional slip.

708: I mean, not impossible??

715, 749, 766: Will keep in mind these posts.

751:

759: Bad! Why did you feel

Flea The Magician

was better wagon than

Aristophanes

atm? Though I didn't want to vote any of them but in between

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot and

JohnnyFarrar

that time.

788: Reason to townread

Aristophanes

then?

End of the Day 2

Summary till now: On Day 2, you looked less scummier than Day 1.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa a lot of those things I already explained in my ISO, which you presumably read, so I don't really want to go through them again. I explained 23 in 372, and I also explained what I thought murder could've contributed on page 1.

Eh, maybe, but what's there to contribute on page 2? And wouldn't he just say that in the scumchat?

Maybe an initial vibe/gut read or something? And maybe his scumbuddies were not on the wagon, or were on the wagon but offline and he wanted to make sure town didn't hammer him

You answered this question:

And wouldn't he just say that in the scumchat?

. What about the

contribution

part?

Also, the accusation that I supported JV in 321 is pretty ridiculous, I asked the question because I thought JV's post might've been scummy, and I then proceeded to push the JV/dann slot as scum pretty much all the way up until it was dead.

I'm trying to see the posts in both town and scum ways.

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I find SF's tone incredibily fake and melodramatic. Her reasons don't amount to conftown Toog and it feels like she's attempting to pit me and infinity against each other. She retreats rapidly when called out on any position.

Okay, I challenge you, vote me today. I'm trying to solve the game in my own way, if you don't like it, not my problem at all.
FYI, after finishing

Infinity 324

's ISOs, I'll check yours, then

Toogeloo

's.
At this stage, we need to 2nd guess everything imo, I'm doing exactly that. If you want to tunnel/confbias me now, then you're the scum, game solved!

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw

Infinity 324

, do you mention the post(s) why you were townreading

Aristophanes

, please?

[Salsabil Faria]

If you wanted to know about the contribution from

MURDERCAT

after page 10 or even later, my question would be a silly question to ask but it was on page 3, so...

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: Infinity 324

Infinity 324

23: 1st pinged post from you. Why you posted this after

Titus

's 22?

52: How you vote

MURDERCAT

became serious on page 3?

61, 65, 67, 70, 72, 74, 78, 89, 92, 119, 123, 130, 169, 255, 257, 259, 261, 264, 270, 372: Scum!you started

fake casing

on

MURDERCAT

on the basis of

gut

, sometimes

meta

(some things look like TMI to me) and were continuing later. I started scumread you there because also agreed with

Momrangal

's 231 and

In the beginning

's

329

later.

65: Exactly what kind of

contribution

you wanted from

MURDERCAT

then while you guys were on page 3?

70, 169: LAMIST from scum!you.

171: Interesting reads you gave there, will keep that in mind.

185: 2nd pinged post from you. Your vote on

JohnnyFarrar

here after

Titus

's 184 seems opportunistic from scum!you perspective.

221: What did you mean there? While the rest of the players were scumreading

StatueSurfer

, you were townreading then for their 218?

242: You and your gut read!

252: Scum!you

subtly

supported/ wanted to save partner

Aristophanes

there.

273: 3rd pinged post from you. After

strongly

scmureading

MURDERCAT

for a while, what changed your mind there suddenly?

321: Why? Getting a weird feeling on this. Weird as in scum!you again

subtly

supported/wanted to save partner

JacksonVirgo/Dannflor

there.

343: 4th pinged post from you. If I understand correctly, by the

last couple posts

you meant these posts: {334, 335, 337, 339} which are NAI to me, and 341 which was the only one game-related post before you unvote

JohnnyFarrar

which also seems NAI or nothing at all?

383, 385: This can be

fake

hesitation to get towncred after

StatueSurfer

's flip.

End of the Day 1

446: By

I wasn't on the wagon

you meant you weren't on

StatueSurfer

's wagon while a wagon was building/was tried to build against you by

Momrangal

and

In the beginning

?

449: Good post.

471: It was early of Day 2, so I don't think (?) buss-vote was required from scum!you atm. Also, can be staged?

490: Weak reason to vote

ItalianoVD/Haschel Cedricson

as town or forced reason to vote as scum there.

493: Hmm....will keep this in mind.

495: Meh as town or forced/TMI as scum.

502: How? I was townreading both of them that moment FYI.

509: Scumhunting as town. Staged as scum?

541: Contradiction?

553: Why did you unvote

ItalianoVD/Haschel Cedricson

that time?

557: Reason?

560, 564, 583, 640, 722, 770: Pushing

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot here feels townie than scummy I think?

644: Again, maybe

subtle

support/save for

Aristophanes

.

694: Can be intentional slip.

708: I mean, not impossible??

715, 749, 766: Will keep in mind these posts.

751:

759: Bad! Why did you feel

Flea The Magician

was better wagon than

Aristophanes

atm? Though I didn't want to vote any of them but in between

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot and

JohnnyFarrar

that time.

788: Reason to townread

Aristophanes

then?

End of the Day 2

Summary till now: On Day 2, you looked less scummier than Day 1.

844: You didn't state the reason of your townreading

MURDERCAT

on Day 1 or on Day 2.

846: Again contradiction.

851: You also townreaded

Aristophanes

!

I have no comment on you pushing on

In the beginning

btw, I was scumreading him too.

908: Reason to leaning town on

Titus

?

910: Contradictory read about

Jacksonvirgo/Dannflor

slot?

972: Your read about me there was hilarious tbh

End of the Day 3

On Day 4, theoretical talks were happening more, nothing raises suspicion in me.

[Salsabil Faria]

Do people normally just not post on page 3 or...?

Some posts, some not..... but the

contribution

part pinged me and wanted to clear on this.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil, why were you under the impression you were being setup to be mis-exiled today and asking to be eliminated before Dann?

Getting the vibes from all/most of you. I didn't do much, maybe still not doing much to convince the towns that I'm the town here. Not sure I can ever do that. So imagine being lylo with me, the other town and the other scum. There will be at least 70% or 80% possibility that I'll be eliminated. If not, and if I have to choose between the town and the scum, not sure if I can choose the town. I'm trying my best here but this is still a possibility.

It was an odd request at end of day yesterday that was never going to pass, and I assume you would have known that.

Maybe, maybe not.

JohnnyFarrar

was ready to vote me,

Infinity 324

could changed their vote. By seeing the opportunity

Dannflor

could also vote me. If the rest of you got convinced, I could be eliminated, had to try the luck.

Additionally, why are you threatening that a no lim hammer is a scum claim but keeping your vote there at -1? If you were that concerned, why not just unvote for now?

Reaction test, going to try everything I can think of solving the game.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'll ISO diving of

Titus

and

Toogeloo

FYI, kind of busy today.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Toogeloo

, between

Infinity 324

and

Titus

, who do you think is the scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

Baahhh!!

Spoiler:

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Thank you

Toogeloo

for not taking me into the lylo you're a good scum

[Salsabil Faria]

Big thank you to all replacements!

Thanks to you

to tolerate my worst gameplay