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Post Post #696 (isolation #0) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:38 am

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Just finished a first read. I have what I think is a pretty important question: Besides Adel, who I replaced, has any other player been MIA recently?

Because I see four votes on farside, one from each pair. Which means that if farside was town, scum could have finished her off. But that has not happened. Which leads me to believe that farside is scum.

Vote farside.
(Really just a continuation of adel's vote.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #1) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:01 am

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I really didn't like caboose's early wagon voting. Farside has definitely been uncharacteristically lurky.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #2) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:09 am

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armlx wrote: I agree with the principle farside is stating above. The every group tell is no longer valid.
No, what I'm saying is that scum could quicklynch and win the game if farside was town, and yet they have not done that.
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Post Post #709 (isolation #3) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:48 am

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WIFOM? Seriously, caboose, that's what you've got? What you're suggesting is that scum are refusing to
win the game
immediately, to make it easier to win the game later. Now farside's argument is at least feasible, scum may simply have not had a chance to to quickhammer.

The longer those votes stay, though, the less feasible that argument is going to get.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #4) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:27 pm

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*grumble* Bluehost ate my first post.
farside wrote: Just looked at Jenthron and Kloud's profile. Kloud has been around posting elsewhere since his last post on this game. Jenthron's computer went down it seems and has not posted since the 23rd. So if Kloud votes does the fact that no one quick hammer look less scummy knowing one player is out of commision? Makes it harder for the scum to do a quick hammer if one of there own are MIA.
Like I said I experience this myself in Poly game where Grimmy went MIA as well so right now the idea of scum hammering looks WIFOM to me based on the two low contributers.
Its not WIFOM. To call it WIFOM is to misuse the term. There is no benefit to scum intentionally refusing to do this. It is possible that scum are unable to quicklynch, although every player not voting for you has posted since armlx put that fourth vote on. But there's no benefit to refusing to.
caboose wrote: Yes, that is what I've got. It seems like it's valid too:
I don't think WIFOM means what you think it means. See above.

Now, say,
this
is WIFOM:
caboose wrote: Tell me with a straight face that I would put my alleged scumbuddy in lynching position 24 hours before deadline.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #5) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:30 pm

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You really don't know what it means.
caboose wrote: Not WIFOM at all. I'm saying that I wouldn't put the lynching vote on my scumbuddy with 24 hours to go before deadline in this kind of set-up, where scum bussing is suicide. If I was scum, that move would be pretty dicey, don't you think?
Indeed it would. But you might have done it for the perceived benefit of making it appear that you and armlx were not buddies. Which is why its WIFOM. To extend that, you could be doing something that is bad for your alignment to make it appear that you are not that alignment. (For the record, I agree with you, its far more likely that empking/goat are the other partners, but the point is still WIFOM.)

For scum, there is no benefit to making farside appear scum when they can win the game immediately.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #6) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:53 pm

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farside wrote: They can't win the game immediately if one of their scumbuddies is inactive.
This is true, if not terribly likely. That means in order for you to be town, one of the scum must be inactive. So let me ask you this: who is the inactive scum?
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Post Post #729 (isolation #7) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:33 am

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Farside/caboose: If jenethron is your inactive scum, why are you voting for armlx and me, respectively?
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Post Post #733 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:07 am

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Why aren't
you
voting for jenethron? You can't possibly tell me you are certain that armlx/kloud is the other scumgroup. It could be goat/empking.
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Post Post #739 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:39 am

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Armlx makes one of many valid points that lead me to not move my vote.
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Post Post #744 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:45 am

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I'll take my chances. Because if you were honestly town, and honestly scumhunting, and if you honestly came to the conclusion that jenethron was the
only possible scum
, you would have changed your vote then, because you're a competent player. But you didn't.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:56 am

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So, um, did we win? Did we lose?
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Post Post #754 (isolation #12) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:03 am

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Dang. Sorry, farside. I didn't unvote because at that point, either a. scum would quickhammer, or b. they wouldn't, and I would still want you dead.
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Post Post #759 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:12 am

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See, I thought the that she wasn't calling out goat as the potential lurker as well was an indication that farside/goat were the two pairs.
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Post Post #761 (isolation #14) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:29 am

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farside wrote: Shortly after Day Two started, I started thinking Farside would be lynched for scum victory. I'd have found her scummy if I was town here, I think.
Thank you for making me feel better about being completely, horribly, wrong.

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