Mini Normal 2215: Deco [Complete]

[Jake The Wolfie]

Everyone below me is town.
VOTE: DGB

I can be below you if you want :3

[Jake The Wolfie]

moo moo

VOTE: Titus

Moo moo, you are contractually obligated to play mafia 24/7/365.25
Prepare to be moobliterated.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I should have inned for this on an alt. That way no one will know that I am behind them with a bloodstained knife.

I would love someone to be a bodyguard for me! You'll kill anyone that tries to hurt me because you'll stab me in the back and face!

[Jake The Wolfie]

By the way, I think I should claim here. I'm an Informed Miller.

You were informed that you were a Miller? Nice!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Unrelated note: Do not harrass the Mafia, as they are a Minority. Instead, harrass the town.

This post was inspired by rule 4

[Jake The Wolfie]

Thank you, bugthey.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: gerain
Tbh the pointing out of the not claiming vt thing feels weird to me.

I'm not sure how to do this.

Last game - which you were in - I claimed VT and everyone seemed to shout at me. This game, I said I wasn't straight up claiming vanilla town people say I am suspicious!

Geraintm, come here and I'll give you an emotional-support hug.

They aren't suspecting at you because you said you weren't claiming VT right away, they were suspecting you because you said something that townies don't normally out in their first few posts, then continue to talk about.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Do you think one of them could be town?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Doesn't miller always appear guilty to cop and coplike accessori- I mean roles?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Setup analysis time

@DGB you’re pretty old. Does ‘miller who was informed that there’s a macho 2-shot cop’ make sense from a balance perspective?

Lately, mods like to distribute roles to screw the town so setup speculation cannot be trusted. Nor is any kind of claim.

I don't think this answered their question.

VOTE: T3

Having said that, we should torch that slot and never look back. Let's not deal with this rubbish.

What's wrong with Terminator 3?

[Jake The Wolfie]

It does answer the question, which is that you cannot trust any power role to belong to one faction or another.

That doesn't adress the question. That adresses "What faction would they belong to given their claim?"

If T3 were to have claimed a Multitasking Coptor, you would have immediately clocked that the claim was bullshit because it would be unbalanced as hell.

T3 claimed, we need a flip to verify the information.

..no? We don't need to verify their info right now. If their is a Macho Cop, then T3 just avoided them wasting a check on them.
All we need to do is keep a closer eye on T3 to make sure they aren't actually scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Bugthey, would you mind helping me here? I'm not liking what I'm seeing from DGB.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Flipping me doesn't tell us the alignment of the cop.

I would find it very odd that the Mafia would have a Cop on their side, unless there is a traitor in the game.

If the cop does turn out to be Mafia-aligned, then that would point strongly to a vigilante in the game.

But all of this is IIOA, so I'll leave setup spec to someone else.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. How does flipping someone who claims a town role help town? Aren't we just down a townie if he's telling the truth?

Any scum worth its salt will claim a town role LOL. If he's telling the truth we're down a miller who shouldn't get close to end game anyway.

1) No shit.

2) Being a Miller does not impact a player's ability to play the game. The skill of a player impacts a players ability to play the game.

3) You're proposing to execute a player on the basis that they both claimed to be informed and claimed to be a Miller, not on the basis that you genuinely thought they were scum. That is pretty autoincriminating, which makes me think that you're just pushing to kill a townie because you're scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

DGB, get your head out of the realm of possibilities, and get it into the realm of what's probable.

Is it possible that T3 is Informed scum? Yes, it is. Is it likely? I don't know, probably not.
It's possible you're a multitasking Ninja Coptor Vigilante Roleblocker, but it is highly improbable.

[Jake The Wolfie]

maybe you shouldn't try to act scummily while you do it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You're focusing on the possibilities rather than the probabilities, which is not something that we need to discuss right now.

[Jake The Wolfie]

all of this is pointless dribble, but more importantly you haven't justified why we should execute T3. Your attempt at justification is akin to "Well we should kill them to make sure they aren't lying.", as if that is a good strategy.

[Jake The Wolfie]

all of this is pointless dribble, but more importantly you haven't justified why we should execute T3. Your attempt at justification is akin to "Well we should kill them to make sure they aren't lying.", as if that is a good strategy.

This is more or less my issue with it. Thing is, idk if DGB actually is scum here because it just seems too blatant and risky. Like, what does scum get out of doing this? I just don't understand the logic here.

I think this was a failed attempt to get a free exe on a townie.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Possibly yeah. But it's just wild to think somebody's scum gameplan would be "Vote this person out because I said so." And then execute the plan in the scummiest way possible. Like, I don't see how they could possibly think the rest of us would just listen to them and do as they say. Granted, I don't see it as a town mindset either. Maybe I'm just overthinking it and DGB really did just make a blatantly scummy play and hoped for the best.

I could totally see DGB here being a traitor role and hoping that the Mafia pick up on it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

scum like pushing Policy Elims because it's a free town kill. Of course, some policy elims are allowed if they are a detriment to the town regardless of alignment, but this is not such an elim

[Jake The Wolfie]

Let's be clear, I am no traitor so if the scum expects one they should look elsewhere.

Having said that, the traitor speculation is complete garbage, why can't they just straight up say I'm scum instead of this roundabout traitor BS?

If anything, THEY sound like scum traitor-fishing.

Who is the nebulous They?

[Jake The Wolfie]

You and Roden.

Why are you voting T3 then?

Are you challenging this on page flocking SEVEN?

VOTE: VFP

Either this is extremely argumentative for no reason town or scum.

Hmm.. I don't like this.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yeah this is different from what I've seen with DGB.

I am never the same. Meta is rubbish.

on that note, I will be scumreading you in particular based upon what you have done in this game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Sorry, have acquired a puppy today.
Do not expect quality posts from me today
VOTE: dripping goof ball

I may go vla but I'll know more later this week.

Get well soon, you two.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Enjoy being a slave to a dogfin.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Rigjt = "right now"

Please add this to your wiki page after this game ends.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'll start Rigjt.

Also please fix the beautiful Pfp i benevolently gave you you on your wiki page. The image is broken.

[Jake The Wolfie]

yeeting a slot that is likely to be replaced is a really proscum move

Not really, scum tends to bail out more than town.

We don't know why they aren't posting, though.

[Jake The Wolfie]

We are voting Ircher. He hasn't spoken lately.

[Jake The Wolfie]

We are voting Ircher. He hasn't spoken lately.

Nor have I? What's the difference?

namely youhave posted in-thread infinitely more tines than they have.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Anti town != scum

Anti-towns are generally beneficial to execute

if

no scum have presented themselves.

Of course, I do find DGB a little scummy for trying to execute you to try and 'validate information' and to 'make sure that a miller claim doesn't make it to endgame', and I haven't found anyone else worthwhile to vote.

I think Roden is likely to be Town here. Their mindset seems to be very town-oriented and in good faith, especially in post 240.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If DGB is mafia or traitor, then by associating with me, it can clear itself if I'm eliminated and you see I'm town.

How does that work?

Quantum Mafchanics.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Maybe I shouldn't store it inside your head. You always seem to escape my grasp.

i knew i shouldn't have revived you

[Jake The Wolfie]

Rannygazoo is super town.

Jessica is scum low-effort parroting Captain Obvious stuff from the game.

It's worse than unoriginal thinking, it's a complete disinterest in game solving. It's so timid, like trying so hard not to draw attention that it has the opposite effect. She already knows who the scum is and she's afraid to give them up.

VOTE: Jessica Rabbit

I enjoy giving people whiplash with my votes but I cannot imagine anything scummier than that aside from a confession with the names of the buddies and the mod having to shut the game

Or maybe Jessèca hasn't been paying much attention to the game (which explains why they got prodded) so they gave out something quick and dirty so that theybwouldn't get repped.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I wasn't trying to cause drama tbh

do townies ever say thisa

I'm not sure what scum vibes you're getting from it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Roden

Who do you think is the best vote to shake things up?

If the question is for me, I've already laid down my vote. DGB, if not a Traitor, is still coming off very anti-town, and they're not doing anything to change that. And I wasn't the one to suggest it in the first place either, since their actions were confusing me until the possibility of them being a Traitor came up.

I didn't ask vote to eliminate. I asked for your vote if you were causing drama for drama's sake to get reads.

This traitor thing is bleh.

I wasn't trying to cause drama tbh. I pushed on something that pinged me and felt better on keeping it up when I got pushed back on it.

I don't think the Traitor thing is guaranteed, and I don't want to tunnel on it. It's why I keep asking for what others think. What about it is bleh to you?

You don't want to tunnel on it but you keep bringing focus on it. Here's a way to not tunnel on it, stop talking about it. Traitor comments waste time unless one flips.

I disagree, there probably is a traitor in the game and the scum accidentally let that information slip.

Or maybe Jessèca hasn't been paying much attention to the game (which explains why they got prodded) so they gave out something quick and dirty so that theybwouldn't get repped.

That's probably the truth regardless of alignment. Still replacements and prod dodgers tend to be scum so DGB has a point.

I haven't seen a statistical analysis detailing the amount of scum that get repped or prod dodge, so I'm trying not to let that impact my reads.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Who are your suspects then Jake?

Mainly DGB and Ranny. They haven't really done anything pro-town, like scumhunting. Granted, it's only Day 1, but still. DBG especially just wanted T3 out to 'validate information' and 'make sure a miller doesn't make it to endgame.'

How did "the scum let that information slip" ???

DETAILS PLS

Well, it just kinda came out of nowhere and exploded onto the town's discourse. I think this is because some scum had TMI and they accidentally said it out loud.

[Jake The Wolfie]

For starters, you. You're actively trying to kill discourse of it because you either are scum or the traitor yourself.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Well, it just kinda came out of nowhere and exploded onto the town's discourse. I think this is because some scum had TMI and they accidentally said it out loud.

You're saying many things at the same time.

1. "The discourse CAME OUT OF NOWHERE." You know that there is a player who was first in bringing it up.

NAME THAT PLAYER.

2. "The scum ACCIDENTALLY SAID IT OUT LOUD". So who said it out loud?

NAME THAT PLAYER AND LINK THE POST.

I have follow up questions.

DO NOT WEASEL OUT. I want short, direct answers. The name of the player, and the quote. That's it.

JakeTheWolfie, 127.

DrippingGoofball, 152.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Well isn't that interesting that it was YOU who brought up the topic.

Now - who else talked about traitors soon after you did and was really convinced?

Name and quote please.

Rodan, 148.
T3, 149.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: snip

Well isn't that interesting that it was YOU who brought up the topic.

Now - who else talked about traitors soon after you did and was really convinced?

Name and quote please.

Rodan, 148.
T3, 149.

OK

• Jake said the traitor discourse "came out of nowhere"
  
• It turns out Jake himself started up the traitor discourse.
  
• Jake proposed that the scum "
  accidentally said it out out
  " referring to a traitor.
  
• It was, in fact, Jake himself who
  accidentally said it out loud
  .
  
• In post viewtopic.php?p=12821352#p12821352, Jake tries exaggerate my involvement by ignoring that...
  
• ...
  Rodan
  and
  T3
  had bought into the existence of a traitor, so a total of three players were gung ho on traitors before I came in with an eyeroll.

My question to everyone is,

Is Jake tunneling or is it a fake scum case?

Whoooo, misrepresentation! My favorite!
Firstly, you

completely

ignore your involvement in the entire thing despite me directly laying it infront of you.
Secondly, I am not such a baffoon as to directly implicate myself as being scum. You are trying to twist the lack of context I was required to not give by you to make me look bad.
Thirdly, Roden not only bought into the possibility of a traitor, but directly stated that you, the suspected traitor, were the traitor. If Roden was scum, then this makes no sense since you were the only one who was stated to be a possible traitor (by me, no less.)
Fourthly, T3 never said he believed in a Traitor, only that his experience in Normal games almost always had a traitor in them.
Fifthly, I haven't been tunneling you. That may be what it seems to you, but that requires ignoring all the other interation I've had in the game overall.

I'm confident in my reads, and I will not let this sly misrepresentation go unnoticed. At this point I'm ready for DGB to be formally executed.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: why are my posts so damn long

Or maybe Jessèca hasn't been paying much attention to the game (which explains why they got prodded) so they gave out something quick and dirty so that theybwouldn't get repped.

Still replacements and prod dodgers tend to be scum so DGB has a point.

dont like this from titus, feels plucked from the air to justify a quick elimination

It is an unverified statement that has no value until verified or disproven. We need to do a statistical analysis on D1 repps to see if it actually holds up or not. If it is proven, then it will be a (see: 1) reason to justify an execution, which it doesn't look like Titus wants to be quick.

I disagree, there probably is a traitor in the game and the scum accidentally let that information slip..

this i hate. i just think it is trying to sow confusion and isn't helpful.

No, this is what I genuinely believe and what I felt need to be said. By no means am I trying to sow confusion and trying to be unhelpful.

Cw was prodded six times in our last game.

How does that even happen... I thought it was a three-strike system?

It was a newbie game and the mod was focused on retaining new players. (And maybe the mod didn't want to bring anyone new into such a miserable game.)

You can already see the pattern with cw: apologize for being inactive, post something that proves he's not following, bounce, repeat. Just eliminate the slot.

happy to do this if there is enough traction for it

I'd have to reread what CW has done in this game so far before I came to a conclusion.

[Jake The Wolfie]

How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?

[Jake The Wolfie]

How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?

Cw can heal T3 and vig can shoot T3 to verify town alignment

Of course, T3 just dies if cw is lying or is roleblocked

There’s your daily does of IIOA

And why would we assume there is a vigilante?
This is just filled with holes.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ok guys let's quickhammer Not_Mafia. We don't want no aliens around these parts!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Can I hammer Not_Mafia here, to get this troll outta here?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Can I hammer Not_Mafia here, to get this troll outta here?

Do you think there’s a snowball’s chance in hell he’s actually town with that entrance? I think it’s extremely obvious he’s scum from that.

He does this literally every game as his first post.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Intent to hammer Not_Mafia. Any objections?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I don't care what you are, you are strictly anti-town in any game that you're in, regardless of alignment or role, and I will take none of it this game.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Jake The Wolfie]

strictly anti-town in any game that you're in

RQS is strictly anti-town in any game that it's in

This may be true, but it is in the town's best interest to get rid of you because you are more destructive than RQS.

[Jake The Wolfie]

That hammert was unexpected

[Jake The Wolfie]

Please self-hammer if you want to be helpful here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am a mason vig with ranny, and I will 100% shoot him if you self-vote here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I wouldn't mind if you hammered them, but I think we should wait for Bugthey's replacement so that if they have an ability, they can more-effectively use it

[Jake The Wolfie]

Not-Mafia is a fun one lol. If he's town he'll actually start playing the game Day 2 probably.

I've personally never seen Notfia play mafia. They usually distract the town and end up getting themselves killed.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Even the other local jester hates Notfia!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Whoops, there goes Notfia. What a tragedy.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm really liking KidAmn.

Why do you like them?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm really liking KidAmn.

Why do you like them?

Everything he wrote is exactly what I thought in real time.[/quote]

Do you think that makes them more likely to be town?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm really liking KidAmn.

Why do you like them?

Everything he wrote is exactly what I thought in real time.

Do you think that makes them more likely to be town?

Yes, because I know I am town.

(Sidenote: I "fixed" the quotes)

Do you think people who ride a different train of thought from you could be town?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I really don’t see what any of that has to do with a cop.

+1

They mentioned how it wouldn't sit right if you claimed to be the cop, not that you should claim to be the cop now to save your ass.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Heads up to all you players who are playing Mini Normal 2215: Deco, I changed my Avatar. Thought I should mention it, in case you get confused about it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why are you voting T3 specifically, Titus?

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: T3

After looking through 667, I don't think T3 is lookin too good.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think I missed something.

Why do we need Sir CW to comment?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ah, alright.

What do you think of their prolonged silenced?

[Jake The Wolfie]

About the whole Dgb town motivation thing, I was recoverinfg from my covid shiot and was tired.

Covid is quite literally shooting people with guns now.

We are (more) fucked.

/s

[Jake The Wolfie]

I thought the entire reason you wanted T3 to be guillotined was because they claimed to be a Psychic who divined that there was a Bed-ridden 2-shot police officer, and as we all know Psychics are not to be trusted.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Taking your salt out on an unrelated player doesn't help anyone tbh. Also not really sure why the meta is to policy elim Millers. If anything that just sounds like it auto-ruins the game for any player who gets it. Why is the role even included if the apparent meta around it is inherently brainless and anti-fun?

T3 could've lied about being a Miller, and is actually scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Taking your salt out on an unrelated player doesn't help anyone tbh. Also not really sure why the meta is to policy elim Millers. If anything that just sounds like it auto-ruins the game for any player who gets it. Why is the role even included if the apparent meta around it is inherently brainless and anti-fun?

T3 could've lied about being a Miller, and is actually scum.

I mean, yeah. I get that. I'm saying I don't get the point of including a role where the meta is to policy elim them just in case they're lying. Or why people would rather just auto elim a player than even bother trying to read them.

To be honest Not_Mafia was at least 80% a policy axe.

I think it's just DGB's personal venmetta to axe anyone who claims miller, to make sure they don't get to endgame.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Wait, am I misremembering or did Jessica Rabbit also have a Venmetta against Miller T3?

I'll have to go back and check.

[Jake The Wolfie]

[sneep]
Yes, because I know I am town.

Do you think people who ride a different train of thought from you could be town?

I didn't get an answer from DGB after I asked this question. Where are they?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think at this point we should go ahead with the day assuming that CW's slot "dies silent"

[Jake The Wolfie]

Players who are not currently voting (aside from cw), why aren't you voting?

[Jake The Wolfie]

KA, can you quote the post you're reffering to?

[Jake The Wolfie]

CW might be playing the most unconventional long-con we have ever seen. It is highly unlikely and I hope they know it will make them appear like an antiwanted mafia player, but maybe their plan is to keep from talking to prevent self-incrimination, because of the percarious situation they found themselves in.

I do not believe nor endorse this, but it could be a reason why CW has been dead silent.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Oh fuck, I legitimately forgot DGB was playing in this game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I havent brought anything to the table because no point until cw told us what happened. I've said that all the way through ,,not my fault they flaked

It isn't your fault they flaked, it is your fault that you were waiting for them to say something.

While they were silent, you could've contributed to the game. Instead, you didn't do much of anything. It is your fault for not contributing or participating.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yeah, not liking DGB here again.

[Jake The Wolfie]

For reasons I can't quite say now, I'm going to

FoS KidAnn

.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If KidAnn is scum (which, again I think they are scum for reasons I can't say right now), then it doesn't matter what CW, their replacement, or anyone else says. KidAnn would still be scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The only evidence that we have that there might be a vig is that JR died, which could also be the result of many different factors, such as:

CW being roleblocked
CW being mafia (+bonus: one of their buddies can claim to be a vig)
CW fakeclaiming to save their ass from being axed
There being a Strongman on the Mafia's team

[Jake The Wolfie]

JR.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Uhhhh DGB he was at E-1

[Jake The Wolfie]

For reasons I can't quite say now, I'm going to

FoS KidAnn

.

Explain this.

My particular role would have made it unlikely that KidAnn was a neighbor.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey DGB, who are your top 3 suggestions for execution today?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm not really liking T3 here, and I'm starting to have buyer's remorse defending him. I need something to read him off of. Maybe a dive into his ISO will help me? Yeah, I'll go do that.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If the cop dies, then we don't get a (presumed) green check

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think T3's plan, if scum, would be a refuge in audacity. Why would scum make such a bold claim? To make you doubt that they are scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I would really appreciate not voting VFP here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am a mason vig with ranny, and I will 100% shoot him if you self-vote here.

Currently reading through ISOs. Was there any truth to this?

That has a truth score of about 7%

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: T3

Thoughts on yesterday's wagon being an attempt to save T3?

Well, pretty much all the people on Roden's wagon jamped onto KidAnn. Do you think any of them is likely to be scum, Titus?

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: T3

I do not like this slot.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, can you at least let me know if you actually intend to claim? I don't want to wait if nothing's coming.

Not rijht, but maybe tomorrow, if through the power of Loki, T3 flips town here.

More likely I'll probably claim later today.

[Jake The Wolfie]

rijht

*rigjt

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm vt.

Looking back on it that was a stupid gambit.

Did you, at any time, soft that you were doing a gambit?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Well, if you are really town, then I hope you learn from this game. I am still not convinced you are, though.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why would they fakeclaim cop?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm sorry KA, I thought you were lying, but as it turns out T3 was gambiting your life away.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why are you guys insisting that I am a vigilante. I am not a vigilante. I may be mistaken for a vigilante, but let me reassure you that I only perform executions, I do not unlawfully kill.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Egix is, in effect confirmed scum neighborizer by the KA vote.

Explain this.

Masons + neighborizer who neighborized ka and then votes him.

If Egix is a mason, then by definition they are town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Being a neighbor. I thought, given the plausible rolelist, neighbors were very unlikely.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Then why would you assume that a replace in knows where to protect?
This seems just odd.

Because DGB didn't die. Scum has no reason to think to Roleblock me.

To be honest, I thought you were softing cop really hard, which may be a reason to roleblock you, assuming that scum have a roleblocker.
Thish might explain why CW50 didn't die N1

Scum roleblocks CW50 N1, and I guess they kill JR to throw shade on CW50.
Scum Roleblocks Roden N2 (for softing cop), and kill the Doctor. I don't knpw why they would, though. Maybe they saw the Doc didn't get axed because they.. didn't say anything.


This is all speculation, of course. There might not be a roleblocker at all, but nonetheless I am not reassured that DGB is town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

After rereading the game, I can confirm that Egix neighborized me. I was hinting at that, assuming that Egix did not want me to out that.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Vigilante Masons? I've seen Macho Doctor Masons, but not Vigilmasons

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ranny, we have some amazing news for you.

Over the course of last night, Me, Egix, and VFP (in seperate but now the same) chat have pretty much solved the game.

I will reveal that I am a Town Mason with VFP, and with the added knowledge that Egix is probably town, that means that the scum can only be Titus, DGB, and Geraintm. All 3 of us have agreed to axe Geraintm today.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Geraintm

[Jake The Wolfie]

maybe you shouldn't try to act scummily while you do it.

all of this is pointless dribble, but more importantly you haven't justified why we should execute T3. Your attempt at justification is akin to "Well we should kill them to make sure they aren't lying.", as if that is a good strategy.

scum like pushing Policy Elims because it's a free town kill. Of course, some policy elims are allowed if they are a detriment to the town regardless of alignment, but this is not such an elim

Yeah this is different from what I've seen with DGB.

I am never the same. Meta is rubbish.

on that note, I will be scumreading you in particular based upon what you have done in this game.

We are voting Ircher. He hasn't spoken lately.

Nor have I? What's the difference?

namely youhave posted in-thread infinitely more tines than they have.

If you look very closely at these posts, I softed "Mason" here.

Looking that the very beginning of the posts, you can see I purposefully lowercased the 1st letter of them, to spell out Mason.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I trust Egix, but fine. UNVOTE:

[Jake The Wolfie]

I don't think it's abnormal to run a game with similar- or indeed the exact same- rolelist as a previous game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think I forgot to mention that VFP was a Mason Encryptor. I knew I was missing something.

[Jake The Wolfie]

DGB, you've incorrectly townlit the wrong person. Ranny is conftown here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Roden greenlit them, and they very clearly flipped town JOAT

[Jake The Wolfie]

CW was repped into A50 who.. you guys killed.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am still putting my trust in Egix who I townread pretty heavily here (otherwise I wouldn't have revealed to them that I was a mason)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Almost50, a Town Loyal Doctor, died Night 2.

[Jake The Wolfie]

So the masons have daytalk only if VFP is alive.

If VFP dies, then Jake cannot daytalk with himself LOL.

Is that correct?

I don't know why I would need to have a 2nd Notes PT to be honest.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Geraintm

I'm not convinced that the solve isn't Titus, DGB, geraintm.

[Jake The Wolfie]

i have sat here the last 2 days, done nothng to propel the game forward and left everyone else manage to do that. ive sat there and begged everyone not to do anything whilst the doctor was absent...and im scum.

You've coasted and actively ttied making other people coast.

You're not selling Future Safety, you're selling Insurance.

[Jake The Wolfie]

TDTBS?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I don't feel as secure on Egix scum.

Also, I'm pretty sure geratim is locktown given both "masons" are voting there.

Wow, 2 townies voting a scum makes said scum locktown, because scum won't quickhammer their own members. Thank you, Sherlock.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If either the voter or votee is scum, then the scum can't/won't quickhammer.

Titus would be the scum voter here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Geraintm, you were actively bringing the game to a halt because one player wasn't present, and now they're dead.
You wasted Day 2 doing fuck-all and we're supposed to believe that was town motivated?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Geraintm, you were actively bringing the game to a halt because one player wasn't present, and now they're dead.
You wasted Day 2 doing fuck-all and we're supposed to believe that was town motivated?

yes, i was actively trying to bring day 2 to a halt to prevent the exact situation we ended up in, which was getting the doc killed that night with no information from them. to me, that is exactly town motivated.

You wanted no progress to be made at all, on anyone at all, until one player showed up. CW50 wasn't even the target for execution, but you still wanted 0 progress yo be made for who we should execute, assuming (and this is really important) that CW dies silent.

If either the voter or votee is scum, then the scum can't/won't quickhammer.

Titus would be the scum voter here.

you are correct, it could be that VFP is town and titus is scum.

except if VFP is town and has placed a vote on me, then scum would have forced an elimination onto me

If VFP is town, then by you not being quickhammered means that you are scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

need more people to contribute and pick apart my logic - and people to be wary of people poking holes in it doing so from the assumption i am scum.
i think i am painting a consistent picture from my point of view and the limited knowledge i have and i need others - working from the same assumption i am - on where i am going wrong.

I am not assuming you are scum with my argument for you being scum. That would be circular reasoning.

You didn't want anyone to do anything because there was something that needed to be resolved (what happened the night before), but what I'm suggesting is scummy is that you didn't want us to do anything at all, irregardless of the Doctor's relevancy to the situation. That is actively trying to halt the game dead, which doesn't allow us to progress and, more importantly, is not a town thing to do.

The above argument does not assume you are scum, it concludes with you being scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Geraintm, you were actively bringing the game to a halt because one player wasn't present, and now they're dead.

The issue I have with this is that geraint quite openly didn't want the day to end prematurely, so the fault lies with those who ignored him, not geraint himself.

I can accept that it's not completely gerain's fault that D2 was rough, but what I'm arguing is that Geraintm didn't want the game to progress

at all

until the Doctor came back. That is what I'm taking issue with. He wanted the game to just, stop. No talking about anything, don't try scumhunting with the info we currently have, and don't try to clear townies from the PoE. That is scummy as hell.

[Jake The Wolfie]

We would have been better off if that happened.

Sure, if we had done nothing on Day 2, we would have gotten more information from the Doctor, granted.

However, that is not what I'm suggesting.

I'm sugesting the most sensible and pro-town play would have been to continue the day as normal

AND

hold off an execution until a Doctor replacement came in to tell us what happened.

Is there any confusion as to what is in my argument? Is there anything you do not understand? Please tell me, it would be much less annoying to hear them all in one place than to have it crop up later.

[Jake The Wolfie]

To be fair, having a chat where we can discuss a gameplan without mafia influence or listening in is a good thing.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VFP as mafia encryptor/Titus as strongman/Jake as goon is starting to look like how we win.

Go ahead. Execute me and lose the fucking game. Execute me despite me softing in early Day 1 being a mason (which means I was always intending to claim mason, by the way) because apparently only Mafia claim masons.

Here's a thought: There is no strongman, and the Strongman Finder/Neighborizor is just a named Neighborizor, to throw us off about what the scum really have.
Here's another thought: VFP is an encryptor to act as a quasi miller that, when added to a neighborhood, will make them look suspicious.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I see Titus as scum, and you as conftown. I'm not particularly interested in who the scum is voting for here, but if the conftown votes another (in my eyes) conftown, then it's pretty much game over.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Geraintm

I'm not convinced that the solve isn't Titus, DGB, geraintm.

Why don't you trust Roden's clear of DGB?

I can't trust that a Loyal Doctor is the most likely explanation for DGB living through a vigilante shot, especially since 3 town-PTlikes with 2 of them being masons would be heavily unbalanced against (presumably) a Strongman, Encryptor, and Miscellaneous scum.

I think that the scumteam doesn't have a strongman, so Egix's secondary ability does nothing but confirm that no one is a strongman (weakens town power), and since VFP is an encryptor I would assume that the scumteam also has one, to frame VFP should they be neighborized.

I think that either DGB is Bulletproof (which could make sense as a way to falsely confirm them as town, or to simply waste the JOAT's bullet.) or that the scumteam has a roleblocker and roleblocked Roden on N2, probably for being the hardest softer of cop (specifically, the cop T3 claimed existed), so that they could potentially waste one of their shots. Instead Roden, a Vigilante that night, was roleblocked from shooting DGB.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If the scum had a roleblocker, they could've just.. roleblocked CW.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If the scum had a roleblocker, they could've just.. roleblocked CW.

Why would they have a roleblocker unless Egix is scum lying about being a strongman finder?

Scum could have a roleblocker and Egix could be telling the truth. As I've stated before, Egix's secondary ability might not actually do anything. He might just be a named Neighborizor. It's not like that is impossible, or even improbable given all of the claims so far.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think I made it really obvious VFP was my mason partner with this post:

I would really appreciate not voting VFP here.

which was in response to

I mean I could vote T3 or VFP.

I gave no reason for VFP to not be voted, only that they shouldn't be voted.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Well if you guys are indeed masons, who is scum?

I thought we had this established:

Titus, DrippingGoofBall, and Geraintm is the solve here. They are all scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Titus, DrippingGoofball, and geraintm.

I remain unconvinced that your declaration from above should be taken seriously. You are welcome to convince me that I am wrong, but at most one of those 3 can be town. I am currently convinced that 0 of those 3 are town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

i still dont think the case against me from VFP/JAke is anything more than "Geraint tried to stall out day 2 and that is scummy"

There is also a 3/4ths chance you are scum FMPOV. Even if Egix was not town in my mind, you'd still be statistically likely to be scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

It is possible, and indeed plausible, that two town players can disagree with eachother. That's partly how misexecutions happen.

[Jake The Wolfie]

It is possible, and indeed plausible, that two town players can disagree with eachother. That's partly how misexecutions happen.

But that's usually when they don't know each other's alignments. It's just something that made me thonk.
I need a break anyway.

That's a fair point.

I think that's why there's very little disagreement between me and VFP.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you are town, then the solve is Titus, geraintm, and Egix.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Dude, you've been scummy all game. You gave me bad vibes from late Day 1, which I tried surpressing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but now I see that you're the scummiest player out of the 4 options here.

In any case, I came to that solution specifically because it is literally impossible for it to be anything but if DGB is town. Ranny is

Confirmed Town

and FMPOV VFP is confirmed town. Assuming 3 scum, this means the remaining 3 players must be scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

How so? It may not have come from Egix, but that doesn't mean that I don't trust them to be town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Which is one reason I'm not interested in convincing you that geraintm is scum.
If you are indeed town then only Ranny (a confirmed town) voting Gerain would convince you that they are scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You were implying that you were a Vanilla Town in the 1st half of the game, why?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I don't see how this changes much. DGB being town just means the solve is Titus geraintm, egix.

I don't see a massive problem with this.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I was working under the assumption that Egix was town. While the revealation of DGB being town isn't something I'm taking lightly, I'm willing to accept it.

Could you please unvote VFP? It's making me rather nervous.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ok but Egix hasn't come on yet and they'll hammer VFP

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm not voting VFP?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Geraintm, you (along with Titus and Egix) are confirmed scum, because it is literally impossible for any other person to be scum. It can't be me (I know I'm town) or VFP (I know they're town) or Ranny (They were comfirmed by Roden) or DGB (They didn't hammer VFP, whom I know is town)

[Jake The Wolfie]

I mean I wouldn't oppose an Egix kill, but I don't think they have any other powers other than being a neighborizor (not like that would matter. There aren't any more visiting Town roles AFAIK)

[Jake The Wolfie]

With VFP being an encryptor, I'm not actually sure that the mafia has an encryptor. It doesn't make much sense to me to have no default daytalk if the only PT that wouldn't have it was a Scum Neighborizor's PT.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: VFP

Whoops, my fingers slipped.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Turns out I was actually a Mason Traitor >:3

[Jake The Wolfie]

Here's my totally legit rolecard. Don't mind that it's posted in Grand Idea, that's just a coincidence

[Jake The Wolfie]

Welcome to Who's line is it anyway!

[Jake The Wolfie]

The scumteam is Not_Mafia, Korina, and Noraa.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The scumteam is Not_Mafia, Korina, and Noraa.

They can't keep getting away with this!

I'll go call up Korina now to pls stop converting people.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Since I'm confscum, I'm gonna meme around for a bit.

Here is a lovely video:

[Jake The Wolfie]

Good Morning Everyone and happy Freedome day.

VOTE: America

They lookin kinda sus tho ngl

[Jake The Wolfie]

Now the Mayor's dead, Brody's in Charge

[Jake The Wolfie]

Let's start McCarthyism again.

VOTE: DGB

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm rereading the rules now to see if I can Bah post, and I wondered how I read the fine print. Seriously, it is soo small.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm rereading the rules now to see if I can Bah post, and I wondered how I read the fine print. Seriously, it is soo small.

Your team can concede!

I have already voted you from en high, you have been deemed a commie!

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm rereading the rules now to see if I can Bah post, and I wondered how I read the fine print. Seriously, it is soo small.

Your team can concede!

I have already voted you from en high, you have been deemed a commie!

Close! I'm Canadian.

Your jokes are not funny, Maple Man!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, shouldn't you think I'm the commie? :-p

@DGB, I'm inclined to agree.

You are the 2nd name on my list of people us guillo- I mean list of people who are communist.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, what do I want from Door Dash?

Their cutest delivery boy

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Jake

[Jake The Wolfie]

Good Job, Titus!

Sorry Mafia for not playing D4 better. I went in way too hard.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Review PT

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[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey Umlaut, what was the mod error?

[Jake The Wolfie]

T3, I hope you learned a valuable lesion from this.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You played the King's gambit, thinking that you were playing the Queen's gambit.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Kodank moment