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Post #913 (isolation #200) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:31 am
Postby Menalque »
In post 880, Ydrasse wrote:you likely can't accept this at face value but, 'reasons'
Oh, also, this obviously isn’t an acceptable answer to the question of “why did you quickhammer town in a very knowing way so early into D2 and thereby make what was a very likely won game significantly harder”
I was confident T3 was town and don’t think he goes through yesterday if he’s not quickhammered
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Post #917 (isolation #202) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:43 am
Postby Menalque »
I have deliberately not confirmed my exact role to make life harder for scum and I kinda wish morning had done the same thing
I still see no benefit to town from me outing the details despite scum *proooobably* having PoE’d my exact role by now
Also you’re right, you didn’t really push me I remembered you suggesting I was scum and the vote on me but the vote was RVS so those things together don’t equal push
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Post #923 (isolation #206) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:54 am
Postby Menalque »
T3 is conftown now my dude, because he flipped and is scum
So when I look at that post what I see is:
Pushing three people who were all viable mislims if ydra and titanic are town (which given that they can’t be scum together is significantly more likely than it seemed yesterday/coming into today) and hedging on the confscum slot
In post 923, Menalque wrote:T3 is conftown now my dude, because he flipped and is scum
Yeah, thought you meant they were obvtown at the time. I guess my point is me voting someone who I didn't realize was town and then saying I'm waiting for someone to catch up so we can get content out of them and now I've stated I'm willing to vote them doesn't really seem like an actual reason to scumread me
It seems like a good enough reason to scumread you when i have better reasons to townread everyone else than I can think of for townreading you?
And it’s not that it was JYST T3, it’s that, if titanic/ydra pairing is indeed town then you were pushing the probably 3 most mislimmable townslots while avoiding taking a hard stance on the one scum one of the group you talked about
Plus you seem more interested in this back and forth or correcting small points (like my brain fart, which it admittedly was) than in trying to nail down where the final scum is or in solving the game, and that, even without literally anything else, feels like a good reason to think you’re skitt’s buddy and the final scum
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Post #939 (isolation #213) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:26 pm
Postby Menalque »
Okay well
Lucky 4 u I have to go to sleep now
So I will expect ur answers tomorrow my fine young person, said answers being to the questions: “uhh, what “things” are these that you speak of exactly?”; “what specific reasons do you have for not thinking DotW is town? What would he have been doing differently if town?”
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Post #945 (isolation #217) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:29 pm
Postby Menalque »
Or does dwlee know me well enough to know that the best way to get me, someone they desperately need to TR them if they’re scum, is to get sassy with me at precisely the moment they should by all rights be sucking up?
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Post #993 (isolation #223) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:51 am
Postby Menalque »
Morning who are we targeting? I’ll do DotW you do ydrasse? And if either of us die and the other has no guilty we lim the person the dead one targeted?
Like one person townread that homie and literally everyone else said it was NAI for me, including me
I’m townread by now bc (1) claim (2) skitter interactions and (3) everyone here knows I fucking detest scum and am so tired that I literally wouldn’t have had the will to keep going by this point if I’d rolled scum ((4) while I’ve had some steamers I would have had to have played a next level dogshit game on D1 for me to have thought anything I did there was a good move for scum!me)
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Post #998 (isolation #228) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:00 am
Postby Menalque »
In post 982, petapan wrote:i don't have anything else to say right now, can't bring myself to focus when the elim for the day is all but decided
Talk to me about ta vera and where your head is at on ydra/titanic and on dwlee after his posting yesterday and on whether you think DotW is the last one or if that’s just too easy
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Post #1004 (isolation #232) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:04 am
Postby Menalque »
Not sure if I’m stuck on this in a good way (as in, that hammer was so bad and it actually does confirm ydra as scum) or in a bad way (where it was terrible but from town for the standard ????? reasons that town sometimes have) but ydrasse just... refusing to answer or avoiding it does not give me the Good Feels
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Post #1011 (isolation #237) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:14 am
Postby Menalque »
Vibes is such a meaningless and aleatoric term
You think you’re going to catch titanic based on the vibe? Have you like, ever encountered scum!titanic before? What about scum!ydrasse? One of the main reasons why scum!ydra gets misread as town is people reading her based on vibes at her own admission, instead of looking at what she’s actually done which is scummy af
What she has done in concrete terms is: (1) nothing to solve the game (2) cut off discussion twice (3) insist (inaccurately) that she wouldn’t play like this as scum which (a) does nothing to make it easier to sort her slot and (b) is still not actually solving or looking for the remaining scum
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Post #1014 (isolation #238) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:17 am
Postby Menalque »
Right, my point is that reading titanic on vibes is also meaningless because he’s one of the best scum players on site and is perfectly capable of recreating a towny “vibe”
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Post #1016 (isolation #240) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:18 am
Postby Menalque »
The only thing I can think of is vote for scum but at both points it’s been at times when he really like, *needed* to if he’s last scum to stand a chance of endgaming
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Post #1025 (isolation #245) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:22 am
Postby Menalque »
In post 1020, Dwlee99 wrote:I also don't even know who Titanic's main is btw so if you give me that I'll do a vibe meter test on his games and see if I'm right before checking alignment.
In post 993, Menalque wrote:Morning who are we targeting? I’ll do DotW you do ydrasse? And if either of us die and the other has no guilty we lim the person the dead one targeted?
This seems like a great way to announce to scum who they can make you mislim with specific actions or a great way for scum!you to set up mislims
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Post #1033 (isolation #249) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:29 am
Postby Menalque »
perhaps I should clarify that I slept about two and half hours last night and spent the entire day walking around (which while lovely was also tiring) and therefore I am more than a little strained today
In post 1023, Menalque wrote:Just had to delete a whole ass post because i was losing my shit
Like
Look at my sig
I just want to end this game and not play anymore
Why are so many people insistent on making that a harder thing to do when it’s impossible all are scum
If I'm right on Hectic then I am making it easier.
Yes, but whether you’re right on hectic is 75% of the time you are but that’s the same as the odds of you being right on literally anyone else in the game providing you’re town yourself
What you’re not doing is providing any reason for that % to go up because the things you’re TRing him for are totally NAI
I don’t mean to snap at you so sorry about that but this game is just such a deeply irritating experience in many ways
From aristeia’s “mena sounds scummy from 3 posts” take, to datisi roleblocking me when it would have generated a clear on hectic if he hadn’t which in turn would have helped me feel a bit better about you, to yes, admittedly, you not doing anything towny and then claiming that that makes you town when it’s clearly a fallacious argument, to dwlee refusing to actually put in the work to try and sort hectic in a meaningful way, to the knowledge that I’ve already accidentally tried harder this game than I wanted to which means that if we don’t win I’ll feel like shit for not getting it correct and that I may well be making all efforts here in vain if it IS as simple as DotW/skitt but I don’t get to feel confident that’s the case because there are a number of slots refusing to be easily read or to do the things that would make them easier to read for reasons that I frankly don’t understand, and I’m being told I have to then take it on faith from other slots that I’m not comfortable with that “nah, it’s chill mena, just don’t worry about it” when I know that with this much setup revealed I’m probably confirmed to scum in terms of role which means that I likely die tonight and then I have no chance to reevaluate things which means I need to be right *today* to be of enduring use
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Post #1040 (isolation #252) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:53 am
Postby Menalque »
Yes, but if the game reaches that point it’s because not enough work was done beforehand or mistakes were made. Everyone actually doing their bit to make sure things are going right is how you insure against that shit happening, and also, guess what! Doing it before you absolutely have to makes it a lot easier to trust that you genuinely want to solve the game and not just look like you want to solve the game, as anyone in 3p lylo should be deeply sceptical of the other two by then, and frankly I don’t want to chance leaving the result of the game down to you or someone else making a 50/50 vote there. I would much rather win beforehand, but we only have 2 mislims left because of the T3 quickhammer which means that after doing skitt it is *necessary* to have successfully PoE’d down to 2 scum with high confidence to guarantee (or as close as possible) the win
That is made a hell of a lot easier if you do things like, yes, going through titanic and ta vera to assess if your reasons to think (atp) that titanic would be more likely town than ta vera are based in a solid foundation or if they’re no better than rand
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Post #1041 (isolation #253) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:55 am
Postby Menalque »
It’s probably like 60% maybe 70% just DotW who is the partner
But if it’s not him, this game is *significantly* harder because there’s a lot less separating you-titanic-ydrasse from each other (and yes, even ta vera at that point) than there is separating y’all from DotW
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Post #1042 (isolation #254) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:56 am
Postby Menalque »
Maybe the right thing to do is lim DotW today even actually, because again, skitt is confscum at this point and while it feels weird to not lim confscum if it is the most likely partner for her then we end the game today
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Post #1070 (isolation #259) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:02 pm
Postby Menalque »
You know if I had a better memory for what scum do in the past I’d be fucking great at this game
I can’t recall if Dwlee’s take on titanic being founded in... not very good reasons is the sort of shit I’ve seen from scum or town more often in the past. And postgame I’ll remember, but I can’t now and don’t have time/energy to dig through past games to try and check
Whats the thing called, recall vs recognition I think? Where brain finds it much easier to slot something into a pattern we’ve seen before than recall what the pattern is without prompts
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Post #1073 (isolation #260) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:03 pm
Postby Menalque »
Imagine a world where I don’t get roleblocked and get to check titanic N1
Imagine
(Yes I am still salty that datisi thought I ever play D1 like that as scum and that EVEN IF HE THOUGHT THAT THAT HE WOULD THINK I WOULD THEN DO THE KILL)