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[MathBlade]

Always remember this people. If things look hard just remember you got this! Just take things one step at a time and keep things in perspective

Let’s do this!

VOTE: House

Come say hi House!

/me lurks because working

[MathBlade]

Nero chainsawing on behalf of ssbm. It's obvious!

Wouldn’t that be cat chainsawing?

I agree the votes are weird.

[MathBlade]

Derp nm I can’t read.

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

[MathBlade]

If we are doing srs votes now

VOTE: mathblade

Good luck with that.

I will never be miselimed unless town pulls a massive derp card.

[MathBlade]

Derp nm I can’t read.

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

Disagree, but not sure whether your conclusion is based on an agenda or just faulty logic.

Interesting. Where is my logic faulty?

[MathBlade]

Derp nm I can’t read.

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

Disagree, but not sure whether your conclusion is based on an agenda or just faulty logic.

math is clearly using wagon speed which is pretty iffy during RVS. I mean, maybe he's informed and knows that one of the scum voted kyo but otherwise, its seems like a way too early conclusion.

Why is it iffy?

Kyo hasn’t posted anything.
So a wagon of any amount of size on a good player generally means a scum plopped on.

It’s not foolproof but it’s enough to start hunting with.

[MathBlade]

Derp nm I can’t read.

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

Disagree, but not sure whether your conclusion is based on an agenda or just faulty logic.

Interesting. Where is my logic faulty?

Meme wagons are a thing.

Indeed but I find the best way out of RVS is to post something probable then people interact with it. Then judge reactions to that and to that and to that and voila RVS destroyed.

[MathBlade]

Derp nm I can’t read.

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

Disagree, but not sure whether your conclusion is based on an agenda or just faulty logic.

math is clearly using wagon speed which is pretty iffy during RVS. I mean, maybe he's informed and knows that one of the scum voted kyo but otherwise, its seems like a way too early conclusion.

Derp nm I can’t read.

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

Disagree, but not sure whether your conclusion is based on an agenda or just faulty logic.

Interesting. Where is my logic faulty?

Who is the scum on the wagon?

Not sure who yet. Just remembered seeing a bunch of Kyo votes.

Don’t have a chance to see who the scum is but latter votes more likely.

[MathBlade]

Wee, Math what do you think of House and Nero?

Town lean on House.
Nero is in the pissing me off category.

[MathBlade]

Not sure who yet. Just remembered seeing a bunch of Kyo votes.

Don’t have a chance to see who the scum is but latter votes more likely.

Has anyone actually done a statistical analysis of RVS wagons?

Done it to scientific rigor, no.
Based on memory yes.
The only game I know of that breaks it is the intentional bus by Umlaut v Flubber in a recent game I had with Titus.

[MathBlade]

Wee, Math what do you think of House and Nero?

Town lean on House.
Nero is in the pissing me off category.

Chill. It's one vote. Ignore him and find le scums.

Oh I don’t give a shit about the vote lol.
He’s just pissing me off because he’s doing something else I can’t say that if he’s scum it means another player is scum.

[MathBlade]

Wee, Math what do you think of House and Nero?

Town lean on House.
Nero is in the pissing me off category.

Chill. It's one vote. Ignore him and find le scums.

Oh I don’t give a shit about the vote lol.
He’s just pissing me off because he’s doing something else I can’t say that if he’s scum it means another player is scum.

Who is the other player?

Someone. I will explain later trust me. Saying what I think now kinda tips my hand and if I am wrong it’s bad. Let’s just say it’s similar to a certain recent game but not.

[MathBlade]

I mean, silly-ass RVS wagons plop up all the time and there's not scum on them. I think your analysis that scum are voting Kyo is ridiculus.

It would be if Gamma wasnt scum

Math isn't calling Gamma scum though. Math isn't calling anyone scum on your wagon. Why is Gamma scum?

Why did you bring me up in relation to this at all?

[MathBlade]

He’s just pissing me off because he’s doing something else I can’t say

how come you can't say?

Your question is important to us.
All MathBlade’s brain cells are currently busy.
Please quote this again tomorrow.

*beep*

[MathBlade]

VOTE: CSF

CSF had the right idea but the wrong target.

Found the imposter.

VOTE: DGB

I like the vote but don’t like the vote.

Trying to find words.

[MathBlade]

House is just trying to find something that sticks

Could be town doing it though

oh certainly. It just looks a lil' bad FMPOV.

Why?

Why is random voting bad in RVS?

[MathBlade]

House is just trying to find something that sticks

Could be town doing it though

oh certainly. It just looks a lil' bad FMPOV.

Why?

Why is random voting bad in RVS?

I've not claimed a duffle vote was random.

That's because they haven't been.

Why are you suggesting they were?

Nero was suggesting you voting all over the place was bad. I am asking why when that’s the definition of RVS.

[MathBlade]

House is just trying to find something that sticks

Could be town doing it though

oh certainly. It just looks a lil' bad FMPOV.

Here.

Nero suggests you’re pushing people looking for what sticks.
Implying your pushes are random/without merit.

[MathBlade]

House is just trying to find something that sticks

Could be town doing it though

oh certainly. It just looks a lil' bad FMPOV.

Here.

Nero suggests you’re pushing people looking for what sticks.
Implying your pushes are random/without merit.

VOTE: MathBlade

You literally defended me by making the same implication. If anything, you should have been agreeing with him.

1) My beard
2) No I didn’t say you were town for doing it. It’s not a defense. I asked Nero why his opinion.

[MathBlade]

Up!

What if I said I thought DGB and Nero but Nero more likely than DGB?

VOTE: Nero

[MathBlade]

Up!

What if I said I thought DGB and Nero but Nero more likely than DGB?

VOTE: Nero

Someone. I will explain later trust me. Saying what I think now kinda tips my hand and if I am wrong it’s bad.

well that didn't take long

Why are you assuming that’s related?

[MathBlade]

Up!

What if I said I thought DGB and Nero but Nero more likely than DGB?

VOTE: Nero

I'd disagree, if you said that.

And why would you disagree?

[MathBlade]

Up!

What if I said I thought DGB and Nero but Nero more likely than DGB?

VOTE: Nero

I'd disagree, if you said that.

And why would you disagree?

You wouldn't have to ask that if you had actually been reading my posts.

You're doing nothing to change my mind.

Not looking to change your mind about my alignment.

I am looking for where you express a TR on Nero.
I don’t see it and I think Nero is more likely that DGB because reasons. I will be addressing this soon. Just hard to do at work.

[MathBlade]

is 32 @ me or Math?

32 was a question for Math and a quote by you to provide context because I was feeling too lazy to type it out myself.

Speaking of which...

VOTE: DotW

I hear mindmeld is a town thing.

On a different note, I'm extending tentative trust to Titus pending confirmation. Consider it an interim clearance.

I have. I don’t see why this is a TR of Nero.

At best if I stretch it you agreed with Nero or a recent poster on one thing.

[MathBlade]

I mean, silly-ass RVS wagons plop up all the time and there's not scum on them. I think your analysis that scum are voting Kyo is ridiculus.

It would be if Gamma wasnt scum

Math isn't calling Gamma scum though. Math isn't calling anyone scum on your wagon. Why is Gamma scum?

I can feel it in my bones

What do your bones feel about Nero and DGB?

[MathBlade]

throwing your vote around makes it look like you don't have a strong opinion

Nah

Depends on context. I do that nonstop as town.

Why do you think DGB posts this if it is scum and Nero is town?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: CSF

CSF had the right idea but the wrong target.

Found the imposter.

VOTE: DGB

#confused

Forced echoing is forced.

Fair but if that was the case, I'd expect a Dragon echo. Reasoning is ok but I prefer CSF.

Post and vanish.

Post and vanish early d1 is NAI.

There are reasons people pop in and disappear on a new thread.

My vote is weak, yes but I don't SR the actives.

the
I wouldn't call 2 sus posts "active".

VOTE: DGB

You have not.

You disagreed with Titus’s premise then naked voted DGB.

I disagree that DGB is scum unless Nero is.

[MathBlade]

this is the normal though. no themes allowed!

My theme is I am a clone of Titus with a dash of jokes flying over my head…literally.

Deal with it.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: CSF

CSF had the right idea but the wrong target.

Found the imposter.

VOTE: DGB

#confused

Forced echoing is forced.

Fair but if that was the case, I'd expect a Dragon echo. Reasoning is ok but I prefer CSF.

Post and vanish.

Post and vanish early d1 is NAI.

There are reasons people pop in and disappear on a new thread.

My vote is weak, yes but I don't SR the actives.

the
I wouldn't call 2 sus posts "active".

VOTE: DGB

You have not.

Have so.

VOTE: CSF

CSF had the right idea but the wrong target.

Found the imposter.

VOTE: DGB

#confused

Forced echoing is forced.

Incorrect.

Found the imposter is before the “Forced echoing is forced”.

Therefore it cannot be the reasoning for your vote.

[MathBlade]

Ok, Math is just scum here. Lol.

House is scum or gonna go down at the worst derp ever. Either way will be illuminating and entertaining.

He has not explained himself and then I point out he hasn’t. His response is “Just scum” lol

Nero House DGB is my current solve

[MathBlade]

Always remember this people. If things look hard just remember you got this! Just take things one step at a time and keep things in perspective

Let’s do this!

VOTE: House

Come say hi House!

/me lurks because working

I disagree.

[MathBlade]

House and Nero has at least one scum if not two.

I refuse to believe both are playing that badly

[MathBlade]

I refuse to believe both are playing that badly

how am I playing poorly?

Reads to me like she crumbed something in her very first post and doesn't believe we both missed it.

If she did, I not only missed it, but I'm continuing to miss it and believe making such an insinuation is worse than her accusation of us playing poorly.

Omfg I have subtly told you twice HE.

Seriously,

Two look at the characters in the plane

[MathBlade]

For future reference, I don't "do" subtle.

I wasn't ignoring you.

The characters in the plane are two Disney characters…

Need I go on?

Or can you stop being dense and if DGB is scum let me figure it out. As it is one of the few characters I have a good track record on. And if it is scum it will open itself up to me through its posting.

[MathBlade]

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

dumb

I will never be miselimed unless town pulls a massive derp card.

I see you got your pr fakeclaim rdy to go.

Why I scumread Nero

[MathBlade]

The characters in the plane are two Disney characters…

Need I go on?

Oh well, at least it wasn't a role you were crumbing. Thank goodness for that.

I don't see why you got so twisted over my suspicion considering I'm not even trying to build a wagon on you.

That said, I do townread the reachout.

….

*sigh*

Titus is right.

Vodka is good but I have work tomorrow so civ instead.

[MathBlade]

Math, if you were scumreading me @ 24. How come you didn't call me scum in 45?

Nero is in the pissing me off category.

seems kinda odd to scum read someone and then put them in the "pissing you off" cat, no?

Because what you did did piss me off and I didn’t want to go “neon sign here”.

[MathBlade]

wasn't scumreading Titus but her willfully avoiding being involved is kinda offputting

Then I'll be offputting. I'm tired of giving him the lecture to stop tunneling obvtown and that he'll be miseliminated.

Instead, I sit back and wait for an actual scummy FoS on Math.

I am tired of you not noticing it’s scum and I have done nothing meriting a push.

[MathBlade]

Then I'll be offputting. I'm tired of giving him the lecture to stop tunneling obvtown and that he'll be miseliminated.

I'm used to being the mislim.

Refer to sig.

I am used to being the always push in RVS

It’s why I don’t RVS anymore.

Last time I /inned was warehouse 13 and was pushed

It’s a mantra scum always push me

[MathBlade]

I just replace in and am done with it.

I hate RVS with a passion because scum push me for free.

[MathBlade]

wasn't scumreading Titus but her willfully avoiding being involved is kinda offputting

Then I'll be offputting. I'm tired of giving him the lecture to stop tunneling obvtown and that he'll be miseliminated.

Instead, I sit back and wait for an actual scummy FoS on Math.

I am tired of you not noticing it’s scum and I have done nothing meriting a push.

I'm tired of you thinking I'm pushing you for instant elimination when I'm just poking you for a reaction.

Fix't

Imho one of you and/or Nero aren’t.

Because reasons.

[MathBlade]

wasn't scumreading Titus but her willfully avoiding being involved is kinda offputting

Then I'll be offputting. I'm tired of giving him the lecture to stop tunneling obvtown and that he'll be miseliminated.

Instead, I sit back and wait for an actual scummy FoS on Math.

I am tired of you not noticing it’s scum and I have done nothing meriting a push.

I'm tired of you thinking I'm pushing you for instant elimination when I'm just poking you for a reaction.

Fix't

Imho one of you and/or Nero aren’t.

Because reasons.

Push your scumread, then.

I am pushing you and Nero.

You’re online you get pushed.

When Nero posts I will push him.

Until someone explains how town makes that post he could be Townie AF he’s still scum.

I gave him[Nero] the benefit of the doubt and he[Nero] did nothing with it.

You either don’t know Disney or are scum.

Like some things are just obvious.

[MathBlade]

Well, I suggest you focus on nero if I'm your only alternative to him.

Well I suggest you stop pushing the goofy player then.

[MathBlade]

Well, I suggest you focus on nero if I'm your only alternative to him.

Well I suggest you stop pushing the goofy player then.

Oh yeah?

*puts finger on your shoulder and pushes*

Now what?

I am either masons or neighbors with Dripping

Goof

ball

So back the fuck off

[MathBlade]

What did I do to "piss you off"?

Don't really understand why you didn't want to advertise that you were scumreading me.

Outed my fucking PR crumb

[MathBlade]

Well, I suggest you focus on nero if I'm your only alternative to him.

if I'm your town read why would you want Math to focus on me?

You still think I am scum?

[MathBlade]

You either don’t know Disney or are scum.

For the record, I haven't watched the Disney Channel since I was a kid.

I didn't recognize what you were implying, I was just trying NOT to draw it out.

Then how about you Unvote DGB and let me sort it IF any sorting is to be had.

[MathBlade]

I mean getting one vote on you and then hinting that you aren't going to be voted out b/c you are a pr just seems like bad`scummy play. Scum are deff more likely to claim pr to avoid getting lunched

Yes I create a plan that requires someone to back me up when there are zero votes on me. Brilliant! /sarcasm

[MathBlade]

I don't think it's impossible that you are scum. It's somewhat unlikely but not impossible that you and DBG are scum that are fake claiming mason and if you are just a neighbor then shoot one of you is pretty likely to be scum anyways.

I said Mason or Neighbor.

I die tonight then who I am gets revealed anyway. So like whatever

[MathBlade]

I don't think it's impossible that you are scum. It's somewhat unlikely but not impossible that you and DBG are scum that are fake claiming mason and if you are just a neighbor then shoot one of you is pretty likely to be scum anyways.

Lol.

VOTE: nero

So Nero and DGB or just Nero.

Told you House

He found the PR crumb then still pushed me and/or DGB (depending on opinion) town doesn’t do that.

[MathBlade]

I am still gonna give you shit for not knowing Goofy from Disney.

[MathBlade]

Always remember this people. If things look hard just remember you got this! Just take things one step at a time and keep things in perspective

Let’s do this!

VOTE: House

Come say hi House!

/me lurks because working

Me and Goofy in the plane.

Then things look the worst look at things from a different perspective.

The worst loves ducks.

Me and DGB are neighbors/masons.

DGB if not a mason said we should claim masons and then Nero acted like I had claimed mason.
If DGB is a mason with me then don’t elim it lol

[MathBlade]

Smh.

House Math DGB me Gamma town

Can we vote CSF now?

No we can do Nero lol.

And not sure how you’re getting any of that.

Either one of house or Nero should be scum to you.

[MathBlade]

Up!

What if I said I thought DGB and Nero but Nero more likely than DGB?

VOTE: Nero

I think Nero town, but why DGB? The third vote on my wagon, or was it somehing else?

If they are not a mason then third vote on wagon and gut. I am good at reading it and if given time I can read it clearly.
If they are a mason I wanted to shade it just a bit to avoid a NK.

[MathBlade]

And hah no.

Nero is not town. Like just no lol

[MathBlade]

If we are doing srs votes now

VOTE: mathblade

Math, post 10 was a joke.

don't coach your brother!

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

dumb

I will never be miselimed unless town pulls a massive derp card.

I see you got your pr fakeclaim rdy to go.

Town doesn’t make these posts.

[MathBlade]

Nyah pagetop

I stole your page top like you stole my dreams of you keeping a consistent avatar.

Scum!jail for you /s

[MathBlade]

Always remember this people. If things look hard just remember you got this! Just take things one step at a time and keep things in perspective

Let’s do this!

VOTE: House

Come say hi House!

/me lurks because working

Me and Goofy in the plane.

Then things look the worst look at things from a different perspective.

The worst loves ducks.

Me and DGB are neighbors/masons.

DGB if not a mason said we should claim masons and then Nero acted like I had claimed mason.
If DGB is a mason with me then don’t elim it lol

I had actually decided a good chunk of what you put out but I thought

Titus

was your partner, not DGB

Curious why Titus?

[MathBlade]

Kinda feeling Gamma Titus Nero. Vibes

[MathBlade]

Maybe Or Maybe Not DGB

[MathBlade]

Kinda feeling Gamma Titus Nero. Vibes

Is Titus going to hard townread both buddies this early in d1?

Titus does anything she thinks to win

[MathBlade]

VOTE: CSF

Why?

I presented an airtight case and then you do that?

[MathBlade]

Four pages since my last post and it’s midnight.

Anyone wanna ask a quick question before I go to bed?

[MathBlade]

The more I think about it, the more I want to

VOTE: Nero

for rightfully pointing out that DGB looked sus for scumreading him when they both agree that MB is scum and that he's actively pursuing a MB wagon, yet maintaining that MathBlade is scummier than DGB when directly questioned.

From his perspective, DGB *should* be scummier for pushing him when he's voting and pushing a wagon on a shared scumread.

Nero red flip suggests the hood is clean.

I agree with Nero scum disagree with the conclusion due to my prior posting. If something changed to make that invalid I will see it later. Don’t remember the wagons where I left off.

[MathBlade]

Is it just you and DGB in the hood?

Yes that’s why two people in the gif.

[MathBlade]

Math, why did you feel it was important to crumb neighbors? I feel like that's something that just gets outed anyway?

The jist of it is three fold
A> I am shit as town so crumbing my PR helps.
B> Crumbing a PR helps with potential issues. I don’t know how to explain more than that but I think X exists and so crumbing neighbor helps.
C> Because I almost always do it because it inevitably comes up later. It’s more odd if I don’t crumb then if I do.

[MathBlade]

just wanted to make sure.

This feels fake.

[MathBlade]

?? I am not fake claiming anything ??

I am just confused and going to bed. None of the recent posts make sense

[MathBlade]

Before I read deeply I just wanna say whoever compelled the other to mason claim is probably town because I’ve only done that as town and in general that’s a huge leap of faith to ask as scum

DGB thought of the gambit but it seemed scummy how it said it and because of what was being said at the time. I did neighbors or masons as a compromise

[MathBlade]

For future reference, you should totally fakeclaim Mason as town sometime, Math.

It's a gas.

I very rarely if ever fake claim.
I might misdirect as town. That’s a trip, but rarely ever lie.

[MathBlade]

The risk is way too great of subtle suggestions.

I use those as scum a lot and I find it better to have natural thoughts unimpeded. Fake claims tend to force things.

[MathBlade]

For future reference, you should totally fakeclaim Mason as town sometime, Math.

It's a gas.

I very rarely if ever fake claim.
I might misdirect as town. That’s a trip, but rarely ever lie.

I fakeclaim a PR as a VT ALLLL the time.

Better to eat a bullet than be yeeted by town.

Yeah yeah I feel you. I have hinted PR as VT but never outright claimed it.

[MathBlade]

We should be killing in the hood today. I don't really care which one we do.

Fuck no and you’re probably scum for this

Join the Nero wagon?

[MathBlade]

The risk is way too great of subtle suggestions.

I use those as scum a lot and I find it better to have natural thoughts unimpeded. Fake claims tend to force things.

Eh. I just roll with it.

Once I claim a role, as far as I'm concerned, that's my role.

I am a more…once I have claimed it..I have claimed that but that may not be everything.

Gonna just roll with DGB town here as if it’s not I am dead anyway

[MathBlade]

We should be killing in the hood today. I don't really care which one we do.

Fuck no and you’re probably scum for this

Join the Nero wagon?

I’m averse to voting without knowing the state of current wagons
Can you put up an unofficial VC?

Nope I am almost falling asleep as I am typing here sorry.

[MathBlade]

The risk is way too great of subtle suggestions.

I use those as scum a lot and I find it better to have natural thoughts unimpeded. Fake claims tend to force things.

Eh. I just roll with it.

Once I claim a role, as far as I'm concerned, that's my role.

I am a more…once I have claimed it..I have claimed that but that may not be everything.

Gonna just roll with DGB town here as if it’s not I am dead anyway

So basically, you're reversing your opinion of my conclusion?

It’s more all the people I town lean say DGB is town and so I am assuming I am an idiot and my Nero DGB assumption is wrong.

[MathBlade]

It’s more all the people I town lean say DGB is town

and so I am assuming I am an idiot and my Nero DGB assumption is wrong.

Who fit this criteria?

You and Gamma.
I scum lean Titus and she tried to lock me and DGB right away.

I asked Kyo why she scumread Gamma I don’t remember her answer but Gamma’s posting on this page seems good.

[MathBlade]

I just noticed like 3 players have yet to actually post

Yeah you guys are some hyperactive posters.

This is light for me tbh.

[MathBlade]

It’s more all the people I town lean say DGB is town

and so I am assuming I am an idiot and my Nero DGB assumption is wrong.

Who fit this criteria?

You and Gamma.
I scum lean Titus and she tried to lock me and DGB right away.

I asked Kyo why she scumread Gamma I don’t remember her answer but Gamma’s posting on this page seems good.

Naw man I'm actually voting DGB.

I think that’s a bad vote.

I think it should be trusted for today at least if not longer.

[MathBlade]

Nero Cain (3) - MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House

So, the entire scumteam is voting you?

My, you must be intimidating.

kinda mean. But this is the kind of mocking I could see from scum.

I kinda think you're TvTing right now

Why do you think Nero is town?
His entire ISO is PR fishing, shading, and downright scumminess unless I missed something while playing civ.

[MathBlade]

I think that’s a bad vote.

I think it should be trusted for today at least if not longer.

What am I not seeing?

Let’s put it this way.

Look at DGB’s effort.
DGB is usually low effort as scum.
Is a gambit low or high effort?
It has gambited once in Yellowstone as scum but this feels different.
Combined with people having townreads on it made me re-evaluate its meta.
Here it seems to be trying so it is probably town.

[MathBlade]

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

dumb

I will never be miselimed unless town pulls a massive derp card.

I see you got your pr fakeclaim rdy to go.

Pr fish here.

Like if you’re gonna lie at least be better Nero.

[MathBlade]

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

dumb

I will never be miselimed unless town pulls a massive derp card.

I see you got your pr fakeclaim rdy to go.

Pr fish here.

Like if you’re gonna lie at least be better Nero.

You kinda responded to trolling by taking the bait, that’s kinda on you to some degree, I’m sorry
(Okay actually I feel really horrible typing this, L is screaming at me to not post this at all but I have to make this clear that the PR “fish” was so basic that replying to it like you did was kinda stupid)

Fair. I deserve that.

I haven’t been a town PR role in like…years literally I think. Ugh I feel old now.

[MathBlade]

Who is L?

[MathBlade]

Why do you think Nero is town?
His entire ISO is PR fishing, shading, and downright scumminess unless I missed something while playing civ.

I think he believes in his pushes though. Tbh that's kind of how I've always read Nero- aggression and activity.

If he's scum I kind of think it'll be more evident later on, so I'm not too worried about it.

I feel like Nero just gives off the wrong vibes this game, like he did in Real Folk Blues Rematch when I day bugged him, and like House did in Radio Buzz

I kinda don’t think Nero believes in what he’s pushing more stuck and memeing at this point.

[MathBlade]

Who is L?

One of the personalities in my system now (yeah I’ve got one, it literally just happened yesterday that I split)
You can read the post in my GTKAS for details
PEdit: thanks House

Good to clarify I was about to try to figure out which player started with L.

I will read that later as it’s too late atm but good to know.

Do any other sides of you/heads/alters agree/disagree on things?

[MathBlade]

Why do you think Nero is town?
His entire ISO is PR fishing, shading, and downright scumminess unless I missed something while playing civ.

I think he believes in his pushes though. Tbh that's kind of how I've always read Nero- aggression and activity.

If he's scum I kind of think it'll be more evident later on, so I'm not too worried about it.

I feel like Nero just gives off the wrong vibes this game, like he did in Real Folk Blues Rematch when I day bugged him, and like House did in Radio Buzz

Why are you talking about games from years ago? What about that game where you tunneled me and we were both town. Idk I kinda feel like "these games from years ago prove me right" when you said be using more recent examples.

I play to my audience
Titus and iirc MathBlade were in RFB rematch. And you felt more earnest in LN 235 after I pulled my head out of my ass than you do here.

Is it bad I kinda don’t wanna remember that game. *hides in blushies*

[MathBlade]

I mean maybe the wagon on me means that you are being the town beard that you are famous and scum are trying to take advantage but we'll see.

Then what are you doing to actually solve me or other people?

[MathBlade]

I'm voting DGB and then when/if DGB flips scum I'm going to target Gamma and House

I don’t see how that helps solve the game though.

[MathBlade]

I mean maybe the wagon on me means that you are being the town beard that you are famous and scum are trying to take advantage but we'll see.

Then what are you doing to actually solve me or other people?

If it's any consolation, I think he's actually reevaluated his read on you a bit.

No.

I just think he can’t miselim me.

I don’t see any evidence of hunting or deep thinking

[MathBlade]

I mean 454 was a softball. Almost anything works and instead he talks about flips he wants rather than how he’s hunting.

Hell “I picked a name at random poked three players under it then looked for random’s reaction, did a jig, then going to repeat it tomorrow” would have been better

[MathBlade]

Wouldn't put it past CSF and Kyo to town read me for the cred but I highly doubt my wagon is pure.

Oooh bonus points if A50 is scum lol
A50 tell was the same in the power me up game (I think that’s what it was)

Nero A50 Cat? Maaaaybe DGB but doubtful?

[MathBlade]

I'm going to be considerably less active than normal due to work/sleep from now until the 17th, at which point I'll be VLA until the 20th.

My primarily active times are Fridays, weekend afternoons/evenings/nights, and Mondays.

Ooh hey me too! Wonder if we are doing the same thing or something! Nah /s

(We are both doing Titus meet)

[MathBlade]

Wouldn't put it past CSF and Kyo to town read me for the cred but I highly doubt my wagon is pure.

Oooh bonus points if A50 is scum lol
A50 tell was the same in the power me up game (I think that’s what it was)

Nero A50 Cat? Maaaaybe DGB but doubtful?

I am objecting to this gentleman being on jury on the basis he's shown preemptive bias against the defendant without cause.

Good thing that’s not til after Titus meet and if I had a bias I would be excused.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?p=12741065#p12741065

This is what I am thinking of
Nero claiming wagon unpure has same vibes.

[MathBlade]

Nero A50 Cat

this seems possible

I keep going back and forth on Titus.
She can be null for now

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 1.03

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Kinda feeling like there's scum on Nero wag.

House's talk about Nero pushing for a hood lim because Nero is informed of T/T, if anything, could be seen as House's own TMI spewing into the thread in order to frame up Nero on any hood lims or NKs.
If there is scum in the hood, my bet is on Math as DGB's play wrt the gambit aligns with its town meta, and I feel like it's possible that Math manipulated DGB into claiming

something

.
I'm not sure if I buy the outrage about outing Math's crumb, though Math didn't fake outrage in our last game together where he

was

scum, so possibly the hood is just t/t. From DGB's description it doesn't sound too much like it was manipulated into claiming, but DGB, if you felt at all like a horse being led to water, let me know. In truth that is what I was looking for, and what I expected to hear, but it seems like this may not be the case, in which case I don't have a case on Math at this time.
Gamma I got a bad feeling about early on and wasn't impressed by that last vote. I think the wagon has been on Nero long enough that if Gamma is scum, now is a good time to get on if Math, DGB, and House are all town. It doesn't look like a bus if Nero flips red, and there's little risk of the wagon dissipating, which means Gamma won't have to move his vote anywhere new anytime soon.

I feel like House or Gamma are the best bets actually, but House being scum is kinda contingent on t/t hood and aside from possible TMI he's seemed town.

How would I be manipulating DGB into claiming something?
It’s demonstrated I have a PT with DGB.
The only thing claimed is neighbors.
I did that first and then DGB narrowed it down.
So what manipulation would there be?

I don’t know if you’re just paranoid because of our last game or scum but this doesn’t logically add up

[MathBlade]

I'm voting DGB and then when/if DGB flips scum I'm going to target Gamma and House

This has wacky phrasing and warped perspective, plus it feels a bit performative when the pressure is probably more on Nero than DGB rn

yeah this is actually the second post in my catchup that I've seen from Nero that is missing a word. Sign of editing and rewording posts, but not proofreading them after edits. Like when you change the verb tense so that all of your sentences match but forget to change another word somewhere so it

doesn't looks right

(edited from

looks wrong

). <-- An example of what I'm describing

Did you cite the wrong post? This post doesn’t have the word “looks” in Nero’s posts?

[MathBlade]

Taxes suck

#elimTaxes

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 1.03

Nero Cain (4)

- MathBlade, DrippingGoofball, House, Gamma Emerald

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, Nero Cain

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Kinda feeling like there's scum on Nero wag.

House's talk about Nero pushing for a hood lim because Nero is informed of T/T, if anything, could be seen as House's own TMI spewing into the thread in order to frame up Nero on any hood lims or NKs.
If there is scum in the hood, my bet is on Math as DGB's play wrt the gambit aligns with its town meta, and I feel like it's possible that Math manipulated DGB into claiming

something

.
I'm not sure if I buy the outrage about outing Math's crumb, though Math didn't fake outrage in our last game together where he

was

scum, so possibly the hood is just t/t. From DGB's description it doesn't sound too much like it was manipulated into claiming, but DGB, if you felt at all like a horse being led to water, let me know. In truth that is what I was looking for, and what I expected to hear, but it seems like this may not be the case, in which case I don't have a case on Math at this time.
Gamma I got a bad feeling about early on and wasn't impressed by that last vote. I think the wagon has been on Nero long enough that if Gamma is scum, now is a good time to get on if Math, DGB, and House are all town. It doesn't look like a bus if Nero flips red, and there's little risk of the wagon dissipating, which means Gamma won't have to move his vote anywhere new anytime soon.

I feel like House or Gamma are the best bets actually, but House being scum is kinda contingent on t/t hood and aside from possible TMI he's seemed town.

How would I be manipulating DGB into claiming something?

It’s demonstrated I have a PT with DGB.
The only thing claimed is neighbors.
I did that first and then DGB narrowed it down.
So what manipulation would there be?

I don’t know if you’re just paranoid because of our last game or scum but this doesn’t logically add up

With leading questions in the hood, like the leading questions scum!you asked me about town!titus in our last game. I was specifically curious if there was anything like that in the PT, but didnt want to lead DGB there myself in case it is scum, and I don't think from its explanation that it is very likely that you led it there.

But yes, I am paranoid about you having manipulated DGB inside the hood specifically because of our last game.

1) there’s no leading question there or here.
2) There’s paranoid and then there’s ridiculously paranoid that comes off weird.
3) you didn’t answer my question. What manipulation is there?
You’re assuming that there’s leading questions in the hood when most of it is me trying to figure out if I can trust it.

[MathBlade]

?? I don’t aim for page tops??

[MathBlade]

No, i am just cooler you

What is one read statement you have?

[MathBlade]

I was going to post move over lunch but I actually get to eat. Yay!

[MathBlade]

Then MB was concerned about, er, what's that role that checks if you have a PT? He worried that such a role would get a false positive if we were investigated.

This sorta bothers me though. Don't really get why Math didn't want to be investigated. You just claim you are in a hood with DGB. You might get the "there's prob scum in the hood" suspicion. So Math is being really self conscious here.

A> I should almost always be a prime investigative target because I am good at scum. An investigative on me is a waste because then it’s not on someone who could be scum.

I view (and still do) my role as a bit Milleresque. I think when I eventually flip everyone will see why.
Admittedly I did freak out a bit but I still think you’re scum here Nero. I just lack the charisma to prove it.

[MathBlade]

Why are you continually bringing up the past Nero?

[MathBlade]

I don't really think you are all that great as scum but hey w/e

My scum winrate begs to differ with you.

Only losses recently were due to either broken setup or not obeying normal draw rules.

I am good scum shit town.

[MathBlade]

winrate means very little and I think winning as scum has more to do with bad town play. When you are scum I get you pretty ez though.

I still think you’re scum here Nero.

this is why you are still a level 3 player

Lol no. It’s about creating bad town play. That’s why I scumread you.
Bad town play doesn’t happen organically. It requires a cause. Sometimes town sometimes scum but there is almost always a cause. A pissed off townie decides duck it in a bad way. A scum planting a suggestion.

Scum play is work as honest people tend to find each other.
The fact you see scum wins are because bad town is very telling especially if you’re scum as I think you are.
There is no town motivation to reopen this issue yet you did.

You’re supposedly pushing DGB yet talk about me constantly why?

[MathBlade]

especially when you are arguing that you are a shit town player but you are still bullheaded enough to assume that you are right but I guess that's the difference between us.

Yes I am shit town.
The only way to get better is to have my opinion and expose it to scrutiny.

[MathBlade]

how am I creating "bad town play"?

the rest of your post is nonsense

Nice avoiding the question again:

How is intentionally digging up old arguments helping you sort DGB or anyone?
You want me to believe you are town yet you are doing zero hunting.

You created bad town play by fishing and are riling me up to argue with you.

[MathBlade]

M says this conversation ends now.

how are you talking to him?

M is one of Gamma’s alters iirc from what I spedread

[MathBlade]

oh hell no. M says this conversation ends now.

Let’s just elim Nero.

I am trying to see those who townread him and I just can’t.

I am out of spoons and I think anywhere else is suboptimal.

Dude has zero interest in hunting.

[MathBlade]

Then MB was concerned about, er, what's that role that checks if you have a PT? He worried that such a role would get a false positive if we were investigated.

This sorta bothers me though. Don't really get why Math didn't want to be investigated. You just claim you are in a hood with DGB. You might get the "there's prob scum in the hood" suspicion. So Math is being really self conscious here.

Approx two hundred posts old no related topic of discussion.
Yes you are.

[MathBlade]

Dude has zero interest in hunting.

yeah, keep lying about this. It really makes me glad that I was willing to reconsider.

Who are you town reads? (2nd time I', asking)

Already answered previously.

[MathBlade]

well i missed it, pls requote or type it again

I can’t search my ISO at work
House and Gamma are my townreads.
Titus is a scum lean trending null.
DGB is a possible scum if you’re scum but gonna trust everyone else as a good chunk of people say it’s town who I don’t scumread.

Kyo still sorting out. Something pings me as different than our other game but not seeing her as scummy.
Kerset pings me for not doing anything same with A50.
A50 gets more sus as that is alignment indicative.

Andres needs to post more before I can read him.
CSF’s townread of you based on belief doesn’t sit right.

And if I forgot anyone you’re awesome I am just in a hurry.

[MathBlade]

Meanwhile, CSF exists....

Meanwhile Titus dodges giving any opinions on the game. You wanna do something? Why do you think no one bit on CSF despite them being in my scum pool and a Gamma wagon formed instead of dog piling on Nero? You think he is town (I don’t get how). How do you justify that?

[MathBlade]

Know who else is flying under the radar?

VOTE: Almost50

This guy.

Good compromise wagon.

I want to see why Nero stalled first when no one explains the town read other than “belief” which is a non-answer.

I don’t just want to abandon the Nero wagon then he never gets pressure again.

[MathBlade]

Know who else is flying under the radar?

VOTE: Almost50

This guy.

Good compromise wagon.

I want to see why Nero stalled first when no one explains the town read other than “belief” which is a non-answer.

I don’t just want to abandon the Nero wagon then he never gets pressure again.

He strikes me as bullheaded but wrong town.

He has plenty of WIM & is doing nothing to avoid scrutiny.

I disagree.

Bullheaded and WIM != Town.

Doing nothing to avoid scrutiny because he’s DoA and scum are having trouble finding a wagon

[MathBlade]

Fine by me.

Have fun doing what you're doing. Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong.

… I can’t elim Nero by myself.

If everyone just says he’s town when he’s scum that is bad.

[MathBlade]

Like none of this is actual reasons.

It’s all “he’s stubborn” so?
I believe him. Why?

None of this is actively explaining the read.

[MathBlade]

It feels like no one respects my opinion, they’re always calling me over-emotional or some bullshit. Yea I let my emotions run me sometimes but that doesn’t make them invalid.

Hey that’s how I feel too.

I get two second answers and I ask for more explanation and people just move on. It’s like the third or fourth time that’s happened now.

[MathBlade]

I have a hell of a lot more experience with Nero than I do with you. I feel secure in calling Burden of Proficiency.

Fair.

I've been away for a while, so I'm leaning on the few people I feel confident about finding as town to sheep on who is town because it's naturally more difficult for me to find town.

I've felt dirty voting Nero when Titus has been calling him town, and I can see why others may consider him town.

If Titus flips her read on him, I'm willing to get back on the wagon. Otherwise, I'm going to stick to A50 until he does something I like.

Titus’s defense of Nero is shit.

[MathBlade]

Smh.

House Math DGB me Gamma town

Can we vote CSF now?

I mean she says that I am attacking town yet doesn’t list Nero as town.

She isn’t even consistent.

[MathBlade]

Oh a game where Math is town attacking town. I don’t have the energy for this.

I'm not really sure if this is the bad town Math of legend or just scum. Obviously, I lean scum but why do you think town?

Because my eyes glaze over. I could be wrong but I don't think so. Mathblade's play gives him nothing.

wasn't scumreading Titus but her willfully avoiding being involved is kinda offputting

Then I'll be offputting. I'm tired of giving him the lecture to stop tunneling obvtown and that he'll be miseliminated.

Instead, I sit back and wait for an actual scummy FoS on Math.

Nero is so *obvtown* yet Titus omits him?

Cmon

[MathBlade]

Not a fan of you conveniently ignoring that clarification.

Because it’s a clarification is the problem
“Oh yeah I have to townread Nero and got called out on it”

[MathBlade]

Math, you're searching to prove a case and rushing. Slow down.

Lol why?

No one explains their town read so I try again with my scumread.
No one interacts so I try again.

Then people just ignore it as “I am tunnely or stubborn”

Titus then relies on you to change your read when your in my PoE for your bad defense of him.

Why should I slow down?

[MathBlade]

Sure am glad I've never forgotten an item in a list, before.

If it was in >25-50% of your posting you don’t forget.

[MathBlade]

Math, you're searching to prove a case and rushing. Slow down.

Lol why?

No one explains their town read so I try again with my scumread.
No one interacts so I try again.

Then people just ignore it as “I am tunnely or stubborn”

House then relies on you [Titus] to change your read when your in my PoE for your bad defense of him.

Why should I slow down?

Merged thought issues

[MathBlade]

Far as I am considered anyone with a shit tier defense of Nero is in my PoE.

If you wanna get out of it provide a better defense or realize it’s shit and vote him.

[MathBlade]

This is giving me a headache.

Break time. Gonna watch some House. It's on the episode with the psychopath patient.

Not my favorite, but it's a solid episode.

PEdit: I'm not molding my play to appease your bias.

Then you Titus Nero becomes a possibility.

If you’re town you could easily have pushed Nero through.

You said he’s not scumreading me yet provoking me intentionally? Name a town that does it.

You’re back to null then.

If you townread Nero you can defend him.

[MathBlade]

The only confident read I have so far is this is Town!Nero. Nero posted a total of 263 posts on LN 234 (including post-game) where he was Scum. In comparison, he posted 569 in LN 235 (where he was Town). There are other indicators/factors that lead me to believe he is Town here. but this is the most glaring tell of them. Now the question is whether that readlist he posted was his initial impressions or the "tampered with" version.

Ooh hey it’s an actual reason! Something quantifiable!

VOTE: Unvote

[MathBlade]

Day is young. As long as my vote isn't on a wagon that really counts I'm content. Once I have a reason to join a serious wagon and/or have a real suspect I will move it. For now you should all be happy I am voting to begin with (check my most recent games as either alignment. I hardly vote at all on D1)

VOTE: Almost50

Why would town want a vote on a wagon that “doesn’t count”? And why is the day young? This is structured so weird. It feels like a scum PT post or a premature defense

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 1.06

Gamma Emerald (3)

- Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

Nero Cain (2)

- DrippingGoofball, Gamma Emerald

Kerset (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, House

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Almost50

Cat Scatch Fever (1)

- Titus

MathBlade (1)

- Dragon of the West

Not voting (3)

: Wake88, Kerset, MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Gamma Emerald is V/LA through the 24th of September. Wake88 has been prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-16 05:11:03) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

So then the wagon on Kyo doesn’t count? This will be interesting depending on A50’s alignment.

[MathBlade]

Kerset is town despite being red

I’m kinda feeling this
Also I’m just gonna UNVOTE: because pushing Nero seems to not be working out for me but I s2g if Nero ends up being scum I’m gonna be pretty damn mad at Titus if she’s town because it would be the second time town!Titus defended a scum I was pushing

you know what maybe I legitimately was wrong on Nero
It seems that every time I feel comfortable around him these days he ends up being scum, so the fact he squicked me out so hard here is probably a town tell

I think it's normal for Math.

These posts are about Nero. Why are you saying it’s normal for me?

[MathBlade]

At any rate, I think DGB voting Math's biggest attacker while calling Math scum kinda stinks.

Would you agree that one neighbor flipping red clears the other?

mostly, yeah. Like that hood I was in was S/S and that's not impossible but Dunn was a traitor so even if it was S/S so if one of Math/DGB were to flip mafia I'd be willing to think the other 2 scum are outside of the hood.

Okay. So we're in agreement that the hood has at least 1 town.

Why do you want to

purge the hood

instead of find the scum IN the hood?

If one is scum, I wouldn't eliminate the other because reasons.

*would

Wait what? You believe I am town yet if DGB flips scum you’d eliminate me for “reasons”?

*confused*

[MathBlade]

Ooh hey it’s an actual reason! Something quantifiable!

VOTE: Unvote

This seems like a weird reason to drop the tunnel

agree. Also, Math was scumreading A50 earlier (he's even voting him now) so its a bit wonky that he's

LISTENING

to his scum read.

Yes I am weird.

I can and do think that it’s an actual reason to townread you.

I don’t agree with it enough to drop my scumread of you but I do think if A50 is scum it’s TMI.

[MathBlade]

I do wish I was a vig and I would just shoot you Nero. You’d flip red and I would do a freakin happy dance.

But I see that you know apparently Town does everything scum does *rolls eyes*

You’re not town and you and I both know it.

[MathBlade]

But I also see that people are fucking sheep and do “belief” over actual cases.

So I believe Nero is scum. Oh look? No one sheeps me. Shocking?

Almost like people are not actually looking for cases anymore.

I believe Gamma was a counter wagon to avoid elimming Nero.

[MathBlade]

I don’t agree with it enough to drop my scumread of you but I do think if A50 is scum it’s TMI.

wait, so this unvote wasn't a joke?

No it wasn’t.

I can see people aren’t going to elim Nero.

They’re going to be silly and do the counter wagon instead so I am pushing A50 or Titus since people don’t want to elim my top scumspect going for second level instead.

[MathBlade]

31 pages and the only reason not to elim Nero is wait for it *post count* and *belief*

And the arguments for are *meta* *rolefishing* and damn near every trope in the book.

[MathBlade]

The only confident read I have so far is this is Town!Nero. Nero posted a total of 263 posts on LN 234 (including post-game) where he was Scum. In comparison, he posted 569 in LN 235 (where he was Town). There are other indicators/factors that lead me to believe he is Town here. but this is the most glaring tell of them. Now the question is whether that readlist he posted was his initial impressions or the "tampered with" version.

Ooh hey it’s an actual reason! Something quantifiable!

VOTE: Unvote

but A50 argument convinced you to unvote or maybe you intended to unvote anyway and just did it there

I was holding out hope people would do the right thing and elim Nero. Like he is screaming “I am scum” and nothing. Same with A50 and Titus

[MathBlade]

So both?

[MathBlade]

Vla September 17th-20th

Must have forgot to post. You and House should too.

I will VLA when I am VLA.

Your posts when you are here are shit.

I am not scumreading you for the lack of posts.

Almost all your ISO is Nero is town.
No comments on any other slots for the most part.
That is very scum you.

VOTE: Titus

[MathBlade]

Vla September 17th-20th

Must have forgot to post. You and House should too.

I will VLA when I am VLA.

Your posts when you are here are shit.

I am not scumreading you for the lack of posts.

Almost all your ISO is Nero is town.
No comments on any other slots for the most part.
That is very scum you.

VOTE: Titus

You must have forgotten the part when I doubt you and DGB. /sarcasm
.
That was also the topic during that point in my catchup

Keyword almost.

[MathBlade]

Oh never voting Gamma

b/c super emo gamma is town?

I'm voting DGB and then when/if DGB flips scum I'm going to target Gamma and House

Bad reads but not scummy

Care to elaborate?

[MathBlade]

the fuck I was. I'm just playing the game and thought Gamma was scum and didn't necessarily believe him that he was rethinking this game.

go fuck yourself nero. I'm DONE with you.

feels kinda fake.

I mean, in fairness I just think Gamma is scum and guy is throwing a hissy fit and is rage quitting :/

No, you were just toxic to him. There wasn't even plurality pressure

+1 he needed the miselim.
Didn’t want it turning on himself.

Either that or Titus is just sidelining watching us tear each other apart.

Even during VLas she usually posts something on a majority of slots.
This is just scum!Titus

[MathBlade]

I mean, in fairness I just think Gamma is scum and guy is throwing a hissy fit and is rage quitting :/

I mean this right here if you’re town Nero is a pretty low blow.

Step away from the game and think about what you’re saying.

You’re accusing Gamma of strategically replacing out here.

What’s more likely? Gamma ragequitting because he’s scum or Gamma ragequitting because he’s town being tunneled by his top scumread and no one is even listening to him.

[MathBlade]

You’re accusing Gamma of strategically replacing out here.

no im really not. gamma got mad and replaced out. It's a quantitative fact. I am

NOT

making the argument that Gamma replaced out for strat.

I mean…you say you’re not doing something I literally just read.

You think he’s scum and ragequit because he’s being wagoned. If that is true then it’s a strategic replace out.

Instead of looking back at your toxicity you’re doubling down.

The wagon was at 4/7 and pretty much stalled same as your wagon was.

If you’re town you’re being toxic to the point people don’t want to play with you and not reevaluating,
If you’re scum then you’re pushing way too hard in a toxic manner.

Whatever your alignment please step back and learn from this.

[MathBlade]

Going back to Nero Titus A50 and maaaaaybe DGB (in an extreme moonlogicky world would require a ton of flips first)

I just can’t townread him.

I am trying to force him town in my head and it doesn’t feel right. I mean Dwlee has warned you you’re being toxic I am warning you you’re being toxic and Kerset is and Gamma replaced out due to it. I don’t see a town!Nero world where he doesn’t think about that.

Is the moderator scum? Is the scum team exactly me, Ythan, Kerset?

I don’t have a problem with tunnels. I am tunneling you atm even though I am hunting elsewhere. But the problem I have is you’re toxic doing it.

[MathBlade]

go fuck yourself nero. I'm DONE with you.

feels kinda fake.

Pretty sure it's real. I think they've had a lot of IRL stuff going on and are legit upset; they almost replaced out of 3d20 before that last day phase

Don’t talk active games (if this is active)

[MathBlade]

Cool cool

[MathBlade]

Again. You’re repeating the what. It’s not the what. It’s the HOW.

[MathBlade]

Bulk OMGUS

ok sure but that doesn't mean all 4 of you are town and I actually pushed that there's hood scum b4 you even voted me :/

Are me? Kerset? DGB? Ythan? Mod all scum?
I agree, if you’re town, scum maybe joining in.
But 4 scum mini normals are not normal.
At least one of us telling you you’re being toxic is probably town here fmypov and I know I am

In a me scum you town world I policy you faster than anything and just murderize you.
Instead I am asking you to be able to look back and listen here.

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I bluntly think you’re scum here and if anyone does policy you I will have zero qualms switching back to you.

But I want you elimmed because you’re scumread because you’re scummy. Not because you’re being toxic. It gives too much room for a bus.

If you’re town you’re giving scum ample room to miselim you and giving more reasons for town to misread you.

Please I am begging here look back at your play if you’re town.

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Nero pushing people beyond their limits is town Nero. Nero just has terrible reads this game. Resuming catch up soon.

It’s crap like this that makes me think Titus is scum.
If she’s not caught up how does he know Nero pushed someone beyond their limits?
Why does she think Nero town if she hasn’t read the offending portions?

This makes me think Nero and Titus are linked.

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I don't like how you're objecting to my procedure rather than the substance of what I said.

The substance is you townread Nero because he pushed someone.

It doesn’t address the how.
There’s nothing there it’s empty.

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I don't like how you're objecting to my procedure rather than the substance of what I said.

The substance is you townread Nero because he pushed someone.

It doesn’t address the how.
There’s nothing there it’s empty.

It does. Pushing someone to the point where they break is town Nero. It says how hard he does it.

So? He made me want to replace out when he was scum before.
This means nothing to me.

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Gamma pushed me and refused to fucking budge even when I told him that his reasoning was wrong and pointed out that his reasoning had been proven wrong several times b4. He doesn't get to whine and cry that I didn't believe him.

IDK what's going on with him and if he's going through something then I feel for him and sure maybe his emotions just filtered into the game but just scumreading a guy and not believing that a reaction was genuine isn't toxic.

My point with the post here is that many many people are calling you toxic. DGB is begging me to policy you.
There are a lot of people saying you’re town but would support a policy elim.

Let’s assume for case and point that I am scum and you’re right. (You’re not but let’s roll with it)
What you’ve done is torpedo any shot of elimming me here. You’ve taken the power out of your sails.
If you want to elim players like a Titus or me or someone capable of deep wolfing you have to be able to avoid toxic quagmires.

If I were scum starting a policy wagon, there’d be interest from me, DGB, House (saw on skim will respond in depth in a moment) and possibly Kerset. That’s almost damn near an elim bro.

I may have said some things that frustrate but not toxic. I take pride in not being toxic as any alignment. One scum game I really really pushed A50 hard but wasn’t toxic. I made sure post game he was okay though. A non toxic game enables for finding scum easier and better town blocks.

I get it. You don’t think you’re toxic. Please please step back here and listen as now it’s 5 players here which means even if three scum are in that group at least two town are.

Otherwise if you’re town you’re doing a real disservice here.

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especially when you are arguing that you are a shit town player but you are still bullheaded enough to assume that you are right but I guess that's the difference between us.

Yes I am shit town.
The only way to get better is to have my opinion and expose it to scrutiny.

You both aren't actually doing this. Drowning the thread and cutting off circulation makes people want to ignore you.

This reading has done little to change my opinions I formed early.

Except I am and no one scrutinized it so for thread health I moved wagons.

I still maintain Nero in my PoE. I just don’t think he gets elimmed today unless it’s policy so I am torn between doing the thing right for my townreads, getting him not toxic, and the thing I think right for the game elimming him. My townreads do not scumread him so I am trying to move on several times yet Nero drags up dead arguments

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like Math tunneling me and saying stupid as fuck shit like "Nero needs the miselim from Gamma" is just as toxic but you don't see me flying off the handle.

That is not toxic. It is argumentative.

Toxicity is more an attack on the person than the play. You can argue what I say is stupid but things like “No hugging Gamma” are toxic because it’s about HIM not his play.

If you argued I was stupid toxic.

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y Titus? b/c she's kinda active lurking?

I guess you could say that - it's POE and because she's been more active than Wake I put her in there definitively because I'm not TRing her off the posts she currently has. I also didn't like something in her catchup - felt agenda-ey

+1 I want to see more hunt from her less declarative.

She’s missing town!Titus things.

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I don't think my take that a two person hood is likely to contain scum is all that bad. Like sure it could just be t/t but my last two games with 2 person hoods were t/s and s/s so...Gamma played a game with a t/t hood in a mini so eh...but I still don't think that suspecting scum in a hood is this bizarre whacko idea. And its two scummy players one of whom I suspected b4 I even knew they were crumbing neighbors.

I've seen enough to feel relatively confident (75%) that Math and DGB are the same alignment.

I think I have enough on DGB that DGB and one of Nero/you share the same alignment. It hasn’t done its towntell yet. I think it’s more than likely town because of things in the PT but it can do a good scum game.

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If I die then DGB scum equity might go up. Depends on a few things.

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Know who else is flying under the radar?

VOTE: Almost50

This guy.

Good compromise wagon.

I want to see why Nero stalled first when no one explains the town read other than “belief” which is a non-answer.

I don’t just want to abandon the Nero wagon then he never gets pressure again.

Why not vote it then?

Solving why a wagon stalls comes with time in game. Nothing more. No reasoning will solve it immediately unless the answer is readily apparent.

When a wagon stalls it’s because scum can’t or don’t want it to go through if it’s a miselim.
If it’s a proper elim it’s because town couldn’t or didn’t want it.

Those are the reasons.

It’s the same reasons in the Flubber game the two wagons stalled constantly. I was alone. Umlaut was AFK as was Prism slot. We couldn’t hammer either way.

Nero didn’t take off because scum didn’t want it to if he’s town. Same with Gamma if he’s town.
Either that or completely incapable.

Due to the lack of naked sheeps going with don’t want them elimmed. Which means combined with a townread of Nero means Nero is town or deep wolf. Same with Gamma slot.

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If I die then DGB scum equity might go up. Depends on a few things.

Probably not, now that you've announced it.

If anything, you've just given scum fuel to frame it.

Then they waste time killing a bad town hunter who doesn’t get listened to and then get screwed if you Titus and Kyo are town. Win win?

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If I die then DGB scum equity might go up. Depends on a few things.

Probably not, now that you've announced it.

If anything, you've just given scum fuel to frame it.

Then they waste time killing a bad town hunter who doesn’t get listened to and then get screwed if you Titus and Kyo are town. Win win?

You're quite opportunistic about speculation.

I wish that I could share your enthusiasm.

It’s actually pretty simple.
Kyo is Titus level Town when she is. Same with Roden. In the game I was scum with her I had to go deep to keep her trust.

I townread Kyo atm and Titus if X and Y are town.
I townread you if the same X and Y are town.

I disagree with Kyo’s Gamma read (that he’s scum)

If we have a Kyo Titus scumteam then they have to kill me and you as major threats.

If we have Kyo Titus you all scum then I become threat one and then Nero threat two.
Since Nero wasn’t pushed by Kyo or Titus I am relatively safe it’s not all three of you.

Combined with Andres who I am told is top tier (it’s been too long since we’ve played sorry)

I think if scum waste a kill on me who is notably weaker in every element who is a neighbor with DGB it’s important as either they don’t want me in a fake masonry eith DGB or DGB is scum.

Then people can examine the thread for clues.

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Like this is the EXACT situation Kyo nailed DGB scum in. So if DGB is scum here then I would suspect Kyo for not suspecting DGB. To be clear I don’t think DGB here is unless certain conditions exist so not interested in elimming it.

Stalled wagons stalled game she pulled a flash wagon on scum from nowhere.
When she gets the vibe she does.

Her not driving is scary same with Titus.

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At any rate, I think DGB voting Math's biggest attacker while calling Math scum kinda stinks.

Would you agree that one neighbor flipping red clears the other?

mostly, yeah. Like that hood I was in was S/S and that's not impossible but Dunn was a traitor so even if it was S/S so if one of Math/DGB were to flip mafia I'd be willing to think the other 2 scum are outside of the hood.

Okay. So we're in agreement that the hood has at least 1 town.

Why do you want to

purge the hood

instead of find the scum IN the hood?

If one is scum, I wouldn't eliminate the other because reasons.

*would

Wait what? You believe I am town yet if DGB flips scum you’d eliminate me for “reasons”?

*confused*

Yes. I have moon logic reasons to doubt your neighborhood is real. It's not the first time I have seen a faked hood. Town claimed a masonry and then a hood with scum. Scum went along.

There's also moonlogic reasons.

… I mean like a PT cop or TA can check me lol. I don’t fake crumb a neighborhood on first post Titus.

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Already addressed earlier botched truthful crumb.
Usually people see PR crumbs and don’t say anything so scum don’t see it.

Nero decided “Let’s out a PR” for no good reason making him scum to me

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Already addressed earlier botched truthful crumb.
Usually people see PR crumbs and don’t say anything so scum don’t see it.

Nero decided “Let’s out a PR” for no good reason making him scum to me

Why wouldn't he just out the PR in his scum PT, if he's scum? The only way your reason makes sense is of you think he's exactly Mafia Traitor.

Incorrect. Flustering a PR is a very good high equity low risk scum move. I’ve done it before.
A “wait that doesn’t make sense” while mis/correctly understanding gets them elimmed and hunting points.
Then it gives a viable excuse to kill them later
And an excuse not to hunt.

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At any rate, I think DGB voting Math's biggest attacker while calling Math scum kinda stinks.

Would you agree that one neighbor flipping red clears the other?

mostly, yeah. Like that hood I was in was S/S and that's not impossible but Dunn was a traitor so even if it was S/S so if one of Math/DGB were to flip mafia I'd be willing to think the other 2 scum are outside of the hood.

Okay. So we're in agreement that the hood has at least 1 town.

Why do you want to

purge the hood

instead of find the scum IN the hood?

If one is scum, I wouldn't eliminate the other because reasons.

*would

Wait what? You believe I am town yet if DGB flips scum you’d eliminate me for “reasons”?

*confused*

Yes. I have moon logic reasons to doubt your neighborhood is real. It's not the first time I have seen a faked hood. Town claimed a masonry and then a hood with scum. Scum went along.

There's also moonlogic reasons.

… I mean like a PT cop or TA can check me lol. I don’t fake crumb a neighborhood on first post Titus.

Waste given my theory behind you faking neighbors is that one if not both of you have a scum PT.

Then in that world when one of us dies and doesn’t flip neighbor the other dies.

You know me Titus I don’t do suicidal fake claims when scum.
I do well planned proper fake claims.
This argument while moonlogic has no sense to it and is reaching for straws.

You’re more than welcome to think I am scum incorrectly but we should stick with rational theories that I would be a scum neighbor with DGB.

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Looks like far more work than simply mentioning it in scum PT & pulling the trigger, to me.

If the PR gets limmed, the one that outed them gets put under a magnifying glass for the very reasons you stated.

/hard disagree

@Titus will reread it.

@House more often than not, no. I’ve done it enough to know it doesn’t. At best you get maybe two seconds of pressure. Mid and rear get more.

Regardless it’s really antitown and we’re talking theory versus reads.

Who do you scumread?

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I also am not engaging the toxicity discussion further. You're not persuading each other and we have a game to play.

I agree. Nero has no interest in learning and PL ing him much as I want is an antitown move. I really think he’s scum and the only way to elim him would be to manipulate everyone into doing so which I don’t want to do.

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If we are doing srs votes now

VOTE: mathblade

But yeah Kyo prob town due to how many votes that fast.

dumb

I will never be miselimed unless town pulls a massive derp card.

I see you got your pr fakeclaim rdy to go.

I didn’t say I was you did.
I said town would be stupid which I do as a VT and a PR

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Math, I didn't out you. I voted you then you said you weren't going to be eliminated b/c u were a pr.

+1

Oh look Titus not engaging then engages when it’s to argue Nero town.

This is not helpful.

If you’re going to stop engaging do so

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Ooh hey it’s an actual reason! Something quantifiable!

VOTE: Unvote

This seems like a weird reason to drop the tunnel

VOTE: DoTW

I could go here.
Not much but a readwall.

Vote is as close to naked as you can get. Doesn’t interact well with House’s challenge

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I said town would be stupid which I do as a VT and a PR

It really seems like a hard pr hint though.

Or it’s confidence which I have done as VT.

What you did is took your read of PR and exposed it to scum if you’re town.
A majority of people have missed (or claimed to miss) what I did.
Then I could have surprised them d3 or d4.
I am very good with crumbs like that.

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RE: Gamma being my counterwagon.

Who is the scum pushing this if its a CW to scum Nero?

You

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RE: Gamma being my counterwagon.

Who is the scum pushing this if its a CW to scum Nero?

You

So why just me? Why wouldn't my buddies join and force Gamma to claim?

I don't think you are thinking about this game rationally.

You asked pushing not on.

I don’t know enough to venture a guess otherwise.

Although depending upon the wagons today I might get an idea.

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Can you two stop fighting? I have a novel to write and DotW and ssbm won't eliminate themselves.

I don’t agree to Kyo.
I think she will reveal herself and is probably town based on day open.

DoTW is a good compromise elim.

I am trying not to respond. Dude keeps poking me with incorrect shit or questions do I have to respond.

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I guess it's time for me to cast a serious vote. A very serious one. One that has crossed the boundaries of seriousness that have ever been set.

Let's first define the pool (or as Math would put it.. "the range"): ssbm_Kyouko/Dragon of the West/Andresvmb/Kerset/Ythan/Wake88/DrippingGoofball/MathBlade/House

Now let's use this mathematically proven to work for finding a suitable vote target:

ssbm_Kyouko (Hickory)
Dragon of the West (dickory)
Andresvmb (dock)
Kerset (The mouse)
Ythan (went up)
Wake88 (the clock)
DrippingGoofball (The clock)
MathBlade (struck one)
House (The mouse)
ssbm_Kyouko (went down)
Dragon of the West (Hickory)
Andresvmb (dickory)
Kerset (dock)

VOTE: Kerset

Guys, I caught SCUM!

(Jovial voice)
Very mathematical there A50.
Although the issue arises when you can find who you vote for and work backwards

(Serious voice) What do you make of DoTW?

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Blatantly getting chainsawed by Titus rn

Isn't she voting DotW?

She has been attacking Kyo as a possible elim.
So it’s more chainsaw adjacent since she’s said Gamma town and if Kyo scumreads Ythan and Titus then that would be chainsaw adjacent

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Can't say I'm in disagreement with Titus about DotW's reads, tbh.

Same, but at the same time her posting feels geared towards stopping the Gamma wagon by any means, the shade on me is just lazy

Not getting that vibe.

I was getting that vibe with Nero.
She’s spreading out more which is more indicative of her town game so she’s back to null.

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as I want is an antitown move. I really think he’s scum

if you think im scum why is it anti-town to try to pl me?

Because I would have to domineer the entire thread to do it and I have theories on if you’re town who scum is.
So when House left you pretty much became unelimable today without being a “do it now” and that would be damaging.

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I don't see what you knowing that I'm a miselim has to do with you voting Gamma. Are you suggesting that I should town read an active lurk Ythan b/c you were voting him?

Ythan isn’t an active lurk.

Barely been a few hours.

He’s read a lot.

I disagree with his read of me but not an active lurk.

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VOTE: Kyouko

Because of some of Kyo’s recent posts could go here but DoTW has more spice

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I have never voted Ythan.

gamma is ythan

Ythan isn’t an active lurk.

it's just that all his posts that are "bookmark" feel like trying to inflate his post count and show us how active he is and that he's deff reading

Which I do as town or scum. Wanting to be read is a good thing.

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I don't think DoTW is that bad.

Oooh are we close to the infamous DGB read wall? *puppy eyes*

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I still consider A50 a great elimination, btw.

Another good compromise.

I am kinda in compromise mode atm.

So consider me Mr Vote Hopper as it prolly will happen

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Oooh are we close to the infamous DGB read wall? *puppy eyes*

I haven't done a read wall since 1973.

Warehouse 13

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Nero is in the pissing me off category.

How do you figure?

Looks to me like he's at least Scumhunting, which is more than I can say for you at this current time. I still have pages to read so I'll be back for you soon.

This has been hashed out to death.
Continuing to do so is antitown.
If your catchup doesn’t help you see it nothing will.

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I disagree with his read of me but not an active lurk.

Tell me about this.

What’s there to tell?
I am town.
You’re not lurking.

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he's catching up, chill the fuck out

I am chill

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Annoyed frustrated yes but chill

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I disagree with his read of me but not an active lurk.

Tell me about this.

What’s there to tell?
I am town.
You’re not lurking.

What read do you disagree with?

You said I am scum I am not scum. Like ???

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Annoyed frustrated yes but chill

y r u annoyed?

Because you keep asking silly questions instead of scumhunting.

I am very obviously town. The entire game has told you that.

I really really want to policy you but it’s antitown to do so.

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Annoyed frustrated yes but chill

y r u annoyed?

Because you keep asking silly questions instead of scumhunting.

I am very obviously town. The entire game has told you that.

I really really want to policy you but it’s antitown to do so.

Are you like unable to read or something? This is like the 3rd or 4th post where you keep saying that im scumreading you but I've said long long ago that if there's hood scum its DGB.

I've been doing plenty of scumhunting. Asking questions is part of that.

YOU however are calling me scum but are the one thats saying its "antitown" to lim scum.

Uh huh.

Clearly my emotional state helps you solve some other random player.

Well done.

And yes. It is antitown to shove through your elim when no one wants it.

Sometimes being right costs the game.

You’ve been annoying me to no end. I just want to not talk with you for the rest of the day.

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Nero House DGB is my current solve

This supports my scumread.

Scum does not claim mindmeld with scum.

I can't see town!Math truly believing this.

Something else to look at later

Here you implied it.

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Hey everybody. Here's the deal.

We're all from Asia now, which means we hate the people from the West. Particularly those who appropriate symbols of our culture, like the Dragon.

So we're eliminating DotW.

Please tell me this is a joke.

Titus is lock town but really needs to think about what she types…

This is like facepalm bad

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This is like not okay like ever

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Nero House DGB is my current solve

This supports my scumread.

Scum does not claim mindmeld with scum.

I can't see town!Math truly believing this.

Something else to look at later

Here you implied it.

I implied I would look at House's post again later. I see you are paranoid.

That is correct.