Ah yes...I've never gotten pocketed doing this before...In post 5, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm gonna try to find someone to trust as town for D1
VOTE: Titus
Ah yes...I've never gotten pocketed doing this before...In post 5, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm gonna try to find someone to trust as town for D1
Yeah I was just making a joke about you pocketing me and DGB in 233 pretty much from day 1In post 22, Titus wrote:Dragon wasn't implying suspicion of anyone but rather deterring Gamma from blocking.In post 21, House wrote:Sarcastic comment implying suspicion followed by voting a different person for no stated reason.In post 12, Dragon of the West wrote:Ah yes...I've never gotten pocketed doing this before...In post 5, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm gonna try to find someone to trust as town for D1
VOTE: Titus
/distrust
VOTE: DotW
Enjoy my first TR though. Right for wrong reasons works.
Just a D1 scumlean. And my D1 read rate is terrible so I'm not going to say someone isn't scum just because they have similar reads to meIn post 656, House wrote:So the only slot we're in any major disagreement on is MathBlade, but I'm scum?
This seems like a weird reason to drop the tunnel
Ehhhhhh kind of. I'm not dismissing your experience with scum!Nero because you probably have more than me, but, if anything, in 3d20 the tone he used that tipped me off was how he was almost...nice/agreeable at times? I haven't experienced, or at least noticed, the sassy vs salty difference you mentioned earlier. BUT, I do wholeheartedly relate to the Nero paranoia. I haven't had a game with him yet where I thought "Oh yeah Nero is totally town and I'm comfortable assuming that"In post 714, Gamma Emerald wrote:dragon you get where I'm coming from on nero, right?
I just disagree on thinking someone with similar reads MUST be looking at the game a similar way. Like, there's a few inactive slots I don't have opinions on yet and House disagrees on my biggest scumread. I don't see how that's so similar he must be thinking from my town!perspectiveIn post 715, Gamma Emerald wrote:I both do and don't see a problem with your mindsetIn post 713, Dragon of the West wrote:Just a D1 scumlean. And my D1 read rate is terrible so I'm not going to say someone isn't scum just because they have similar reads to meIn post 656, House wrote:So the only slot we're in any major disagreement on is MathBlade, but I'm scum?
it's fair to maybe suspect intentional scum mirroring but in cases where that's not suspected it doesn't make sense to SR someone with similar reads because they're probably having a similar perspective while sorting
Pretty sure it's real. I think they've had a lot of IRL stuff going on and are legit upset; they almost replaced out of 3d20 before that last day phaseIn post 762, Nero Cain wrote:feels kinda fake.In post 759, Gamma Emerald wrote:go fuck yourself nero. I'm DONE with you.
Nah it just ended todayIn post 800, MathBlade wrote:Don’t talk active games (if this is active)In post 798, Dragon of the West wrote:Pretty sure it's real. I think they've had a lot of IRL stuff going on and are legit upset; they almost replaced out of 3d20 before that last day phaseIn post 762, Nero Cain wrote:feels kinda fake.In post 759, Gamma Emerald wrote:go fuck yourself nero. I'm DONE with you.
I don't see the case for DGB being scum in the hood here. Per their explanations, Math crumbed the hood and almost claimed, DGB suggested mason claiming. I really don't think DGB does that as scum because Math would remain suspicious of DGB and could out it if they got overly suspicious which could make DGB look bad. Plus after her loyal neighborizer fiasco with LQ in 234, I doubt scum!DGB thinks to themselves "I'm going to put myself at risk trying to manipulate my neighbor for minimal gain"In post 863, Titus wrote:If I am wrong and the hood is t v s, then DGB is the scum. I don't see Math scum there.In post 538, Nero Cain wrote:here's House and Gamma attacking me over voting the wrong hoodie and I think that's a thing scum do. "Like oh you aren't voting my buddy, you are so scummy." So I'm leaning DGB is the scum in the hood.
I feel like saying this only creates WIFOM. Are the "few things" explainable or are they specific to what's in the PT?In post 884, MathBlade wrote:If I die then DGB scum equity might go up. Depends on a few things.
This makes me think Titus is town. I think as scum she'd see how unsure I am and make me a target to pocket/manipulate. I guess she could just be doing the reverse of her play in 233 to throw me off but more than likely this is just townIn post 887, Titus wrote:Far too many nulls and efforts to avoid calling people scum.
Nullscum here.
I'm really struggling with the bolded sections. When a wagon stalls it's either because they're scum or because they're town that scum doesn't want eliminated....what about wagons started by scum? They can only pile on so much.In post 888, MathBlade wrote:When a wagon stalls it’s because scum can’t or don’t want it to go through if it’s a miselim.
If it’s a proper elim it’s because town couldn’t or didn’t want it.
Those are the reasons.
It’s the same reasons in the Flubber game the two wagons stalled constantly. I was alone. Umlaut was AFK as was Prism slot. We couldn’t hammer either way.
Nero didn’t take off because scum didn’t want it to if he’s town. Same with Gamma if he’s town.
Either that or completely incapable.
Due to the lack of naked sheeps going with don’t want them elimmed. Which means combined with a townread of Neromeans Nero is town or deep wolf. Same with Gamma slot.
This was me disagreeing with Gamma as nicely as possible because I could tell they were really upset about people dismissing their opinions and I don't have the heart to just shoot someone down that I know isn't in the best place emotionallyIn post 893, Titus wrote:Did that fencepost hurt?In post 721, Dragon of the West wrote:Ehhhhhh kind of. I'm not dismissing your experience with scum!Nero because you probably have more than me, but, if anything, in 3d20 the tone he used that tipped me off was how he was almost...nice/agreeable at times? I haven't experienced, or at least noticed, the sassy vs salty difference you mentioned earlier. BUT, I do wholeheartedly relate to the Nero paranoia. I haven't had a game with him yet where I thought "Oh yeah Nero is totally town and I'm comfortable assuming that"In post 714, Gamma Emerald wrote:dragon you get where I'm coming from on nero, right?
Is this because of familiarity? Because you've said multiple times you struggle as townIn post 895, MathBlade wrote:If we have a Kyo Titus scumteam then they have to kill me and you as major threats.
This would really only be relevant if DGB flipped non-neighbor, no? Would you feel that way if DGB flipped red but was a neighbor?In post 897, Titus wrote:Yes. I have moon logic reasons to doubt your neighborhood is real. It's not the first time I have seen a faked hood. Town claimed a masonry and then a hood with scum. Scum went along.
I agree with this. I think Gamma rage quitting is town!indicative. If Gamma was scum I actually don't think they'd get upset with you disagreeing with or scumreading them at allIn post 901, Titus wrote:Gamma did ragequit but I don't think it was because he was scum. If anything, scum are more likely to stay and lurk or fight.In post 774, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, in fairness I just think Gamma is scum and guy is throwing a hissy fit and is rage quitting :/
I don't believe the hood is fake because I think DGB seems genuine about it and wouldn't make up a fake hood as scum, but if you're scum you still have a PT soooIn post 903, MathBlade wrote:… I mean like a PT cop or TA can check me lol.
This is how I see it and I also have a townlean on Nero here. I think seeing him flip scum in 3d20 finally gives me at least a glimpse of his town v scum play and this seems like town!NeroIn post 916, Nero Cain wrote:Math, I didn't out you. I voted you then you said you weren't going to be eliminated b/c u were a pr.
Tbh it just sounds like you're echoing Titus because you don't like that I have a scumlean on youIn post 919, House wrote:Good question.In post 915, MathBlade wrote:Who do you scumread?
I'm tired of trying to humor Radioactive Man.
VOTE: Kerset
Could also vote DotW.
This post pings me. Reads similarly to how A50 acted in 235 where the whole time he was super jovial and unhelpful. I don't know if that's A50's schtick but it seems scum indicative to meIn post 945, Almost50 wrote:I guess it's time for me to cast a serious vote. A very serious one. One that has crossed the boundaries of seriousness that have ever been set.
Let's first define the pool (or as Math would put it.. "the range"): ssbm_Kyouko/Dragon of the West/Andresvmb/Kerset/Ythan/Wake88/DrippingGoofball/MathBlade/House
Now let's use this mathematically proven to work for finding a suitable vote target:
ssbm_Kyouko (Hickory)
Dragon of the West (dickory)
Andresvmb (dock)
Kerset (The mouse)
Ythan (went up)
Wake88 (the clock)
DrippingGoofball (The clock)
MathBlade (struck one)
House (The mouse)
ssbm_Kyouko (went down)
Dragon of the West (Hickory)
Andresvmb (dickory)
Kerset (dock)
VOTE: Kerset
Guys, I caught SCUM!
I disagree with the conclusion of scum!Titus but I think this is town!Kyo thought processIn post 973, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Yeah, the mud isn't sticking so she moved. She starts subtly by TRing players that oppose the wagon I'm pushing, and gradually builds posts that discredit me, and also posts naked shade. Quotes below:In post 950, House wrote:Isn't she voting DotW?In post 949, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Blatantly getting chainsawed by Titus rn
Spoiler:
Bumping Titus out of POE-tier into scumread-tier with Ythan. Hadn't realized how out of hand she'd gotten until I went back through her ISO to address this
VOTE: Titus
This just doesn't feel real. I had like 10 posts when he said this, there's no way he had a meaningful read on me yet to say this aside from trying to pocket me.In post 977, Almost50 wrote:OK.. DotW is probably Town according to my sophisticated (and most intelligent) scum hunting method. I am working on a full analysis of the game and will be publishing me findings along with the detailed method shortly. My aim is to offer you a full solve of a 3-person Mafia team
This is scum acting indifferent to seem town. It's a plainly anti-town attitude to have. Gamma did the same thing as scum in 3d20In post 987, House wrote:I just want to end this day regardless of who the lim land on, myself.
Even me.
I agree with this because I think the Gamma/Ythan slot is town but why do you think they specifically couldn't be scum together?In post 995, House wrote:Gamma and CSF aren't scum together.
If scum!House, I think it's likely they put at least one buddy this low in their list. FMPOV that leaves:
Example? This just feels like you defending a slot you know is townIn post 1011, House wrote:You think so?In post 1009, DrippingGoofball wrote:A pattern of opportunism, questions without follow through, and 0-calorie posts to pad the post count and simulate presence.In post 997, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Why, DGB?
I found her posts to be rather fattening. I've put on 5 pounds since she started participating.
Again, nothing of substance here
Not a huge fan of Wakes's entrance. Like this is just saying something to say nothingIn post 1038, Wake1 wrote:In general that makes it more difficult to Scumread you, but also Townread you.In post 34, Titus wrote: Good luck figuring that out. I play different and wild all the time.
Noting this since I think I have an open question to Math about a read switch on NeroIn post 1070, MathBlade wrote:I really really want to policy you but it’s antitown to do so.
Don't forget to take your bow for completing a wonderful, theatrical performance!In post 1075, House wrote:Personally, I don't care for it.
If he had had the common decency to read the posts i asked him to, he wouldn't have responded in the tone he's taken with me if he was town.
Instead, he decided to agitate my already unstable state in what feels like an effort to cause another fight.
I'm done with him & the game tonight.
In post 1129, Wake1 wrote:On page 9.
Two things:
1) I can't read Titus.
2) Mathblade, could you stop being coy?
Wake has said nothing of substance up until this point. He's literally just "argued" with House for a few pages and then made random statements that don't have any really bearing on the gameIn post 1132, Wake1 wrote:Why even post if you're not gonna say anything?In post 1130, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:You guys have each other in your signatures, aren't you friends? Weird energy in here tonight.
Personally, I don't see the similarities. I think frustrated DGB outing the hood here reminds me more of 235 where DGB was a loyal town neighborizer and got in spats with LQ, who they neighborizedIn post 1228, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:How does DGB's claim about the hood compare to my claim of being in Anya's hood in 233 for you? Do you feel similarities at all?
Pretty sure this is a blatant misrep. Up until this point Nero's only mention of a traitor was when discussing a S/S hood...pretty much always in response to youIn post 1301, House wrote:Nero is the one that can't stop bringing it up.In post 1300, MathBlade wrote:But who says a traitor exists at all?
My concern is if it's solely in the PT and you flip green, I'm not going to know what it actually was that made you think DGB is scum. And if I don't know what that is, it's really hard to weigh it.In post 1350, MathBlade wrote:Specific to the PT. It will be clear later.
If scum kill me (or someone manage to elim me) my reasons for scumreads etc become pretty clear.
I find it odd you’re pushing me when it’s pretty obvious that 1) Not scum 2) Hood is TvT or DGB is the scum 3) Majority of people TR me.
You’re not adequately putting forward a case as to how I am scum or why mostly just sheeping Nero’s paranoia it feels like.
If you feel I am scum bring it on.
So is your switch to a townread of Nero solely based on being worried about being manipulated to push Nero more than it is about your read of Nero's play? That seems like a shaky basis for a read unless you feel like the manipulation was super obviousIn post 1361, MathBlade wrote:what about wagons started by scum? They can only pile on so much << This goes in the can’t category.
It’s more like a Nero is too forced thing. I feel that’s where I am supposed to be manipulated to push rather than it being a natural wagon. I don’t know when that feeling started exactly but it was enhanced by something DGB said to me in the PT.
Ultimately my point was that having a PT cop check you doesn't really clear you in the sense that you could still just be scum. And your way to prove the hood wasn't fake was "have a PT cop check me!" which, again, doesn't clear you or confirm your hoodIn post 1376, MathBlade wrote:Fypov it’s possible I am scum with a hood yes. Not sure what your point is here. The bigger thing is when I die I flip neighbor or when DGB dies it flips neighbor.In post 1375, Dragon of the West wrote:I don't believe the hood is fake because I think DGB seems genuine about it and wouldn't make up a fake hood as scum, but if you're scum you still have a PT soooIn post 903, MathBlade wrote:… I mean like a PT cop or TA can check me lol.
I don’t expect both of us to make it to mid/late game so the issue resolved itself.
In post 1389, Almost50 wrote:Of course you do. Now where is your vote???In post 1388, Dragon of the West wrote:A50 - I definitely scumread this slot
I don't move my vote on catch ups like this where I have to read through dozens of pages until I'm totally caught up...which I'm still not completelyIn post 1390, Almost50 wrote:Dragon calls House Scum, and is looking for a partner on House's readlist, but his vote is stuck on Mathblade (who isn't even in House's bottom 5). Solid case, bro.
I know what distancing means. I'm saying he's not really making a point or sharing his actual case/thoughts on me. Just voting and making a joke about him "distancing"In post 1394, Kerset wrote:Distancing means that you are both scum
This is weird because you don't seem to actually scumread DGB or House but for the push on him to be in bad faith you're implying they're scumIn post 1419, MathBlade wrote:Slight mischaracterization/misrep/mis explanation on my part.
I feel pushed to policy elim him so he is probably town.
DoTW is correct I do not townread his play but between DGB and House it feels icky about the policy elim of Nero.
So it’s more a “icky” feeling.
I don't know if this isIn post 1428, DrippingGoofball wrote:Hmmmm noIn post 1415, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So now Math and DGB have both said they felt manipulated into SRing Nero by the other.
Paraphrasing...
Post #9in the PT, Math asks me what I think of Nero. Math brought it up Monday around 6PM my time.
At this time THE GAME IS ONPAGE 3.To situate: viewtopic.php?p=12993559#p12993559
In the next post, I answer that I find Nero hard to read so I want to give it more time.
Post #11, Math suggests we should talk more about Nero, and asks what I like, and dislike about Nero's posting. Says that I should try reading Nero even if it's hard. This post comes about 15 minutes after post #9 above.
I answer that it's way too early, and say something about Nero being a chaotic player and I need time to evaluate the type of chaos.
Math then says that Nero's outing of Math's "crumb" was anti-town.
=======================
You be the judge.
This sequence is just so off to me if that's how it truly played out. How would one "bulldoze" the alpha players? Convince them that either Nero is scum or to policy lim? It sounds like Math is focused on kowtowing more than actually solvingIn post 1442, DrippingGoofball wrote:I say that eliminating Nero is in fact good for the town.
Math replies that it's not good for the town if we have to bulldoze over the alpha players to do this.
And then Math starts townreading Nero in the game thread.
I feel like it's less that he reads you one way or another and more that he talks out of both sides of his mouth about your slotIn post 1448, DrippingGoofball wrote:Is it pretty clear to most players that Math doesn't townread me in the least?
If you are around, please state whether you agree or disagree with the above statement.
Well based on my reads, scum is probably already on my wagon and he might be trying to avoid piling on to the same wagon with his buddies too much. I'd hardly call the vote on A50 creating a "counter wagon" with how little oomph he put behind his voteIn post 1451, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What do you make of Wake starting a CW to your wagon on A50?In post 1407, Dragon of the West wrote:I couldn't get spoilers to work for some reason but A50's 1189 - 1193 again are just posts making jokes with nothing else
My issue with what you said wasn't the fact: "Nero has mentioned traitors". It's that you phrased it that he "can't stop bringing them up" to throw shade in the first place. It's pretty obvious that he's noting it as a caveat and I think you look scummy trying to paint him in a bad light for itIn post 1472, House wrote:And he's the one that introduced the idea.In post 1412, Dragon of the West wrote:Pretty sure this is a blatant misrep. Up until this point Nero's only mention of a traitor was when discussing a S/S hood...pretty much always in response to youIn post 1301, House wrote:Nero is the one that can't stop bringing it up.In post 1300, MathBlade wrote:But who says a traitor exists at all?
And he's the one that mentioned it the second time.
It's pretty desperate to try to shade objectively true statements.
I'd be willing to compromise there if it comes down to it. I'd prefer he at least finish his catch up firstIn post 1474, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Can I interest anyone in a Wake wagon?
You haven't really shared why you think "Oh! This is not town"In post 1489, Almost50 wrote:Wall posts can only trigger anger in me. I don't know what you see that is supposed to make me think "Oh! This is Town indeed."In post 1478, Kerset wrote:So why are people still going for dragon? No revisions are being done after wallposts? I don't see good faith in math and house.
Okay this at least makes sense. The "universal solve" part of your post loses me because I think the fact of the matter is I don't know who is town and who is scum until they flip so I'm not going to be sure who I need to be agreeing with in this "universal solve"In post 1499, MathBlade wrote:Bulldozing is my way of saying
“We’re doing this elim” over and over and over
And shutting off discussion elsewhere.
It’s like tunneling but more so.
If we can't get a House wagon through I'd be willing to switch to A50 with you closer to deadline. But for right now I'd rather see if we can get the votes on House.In post 1640, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Would love if dragon and Nero would come this way as I prefer House's wagon comp but am not a fan of a House elimination. I think he's town, would rather eliminate someone I'm not TRing, preferably Titus, but I dont think that's happening.
House has a whole lot of time to talk shit for someone too busy on VLA to read the gameIn post 1683, Ythan wrote:It looks an awful lot like you are just fluffing the thread up.
I'm talking about this. I'm interpreting "scrolling wallposts" as "scrolling past wallposts without reading them".