Iceman Modeth - Mini 688 (GAME OVER!!!)

[Juls]

Vote: babygirl86

because if 1986 is your year of birth you make me feel old!

[Juls]

vote: juls

for being old

Can I vote twice?!?!

[Juls]

Juls, if you were scum and I asked you to tell me if you were scum, would you tell me?

I am fairly new to this game but I cannot imagine a scenario where I would say "I am scum" no matter what my affiliation was. Apparently it is done from time to time but I would have to see an example of someone doing it.

Since you directed this question directly at me some flags start going off in my head. Are you wanting to analyze my answer singularly so that there are not 11 other answers to contend with when you take a small part of my answer and distort it?

[Juls]

but your defensiveness does make me wonder if I oughtn't "take a small part of [your] answer and distort it."

Oh but you already have started to. You are trying to portray my natural tendancy to be suspicious of every word posted as defensive.

[Juls]

So you are saying that because I answered your question with complete honesty and then questioned your motives in asking the question that I am being defensive? No sir, I simply telegraphed your next move.

[Juls]

Neither are scumtells, nor is the combination of the two.

Who is this directed at?

[Juls]

Or are you trying to catch the old man in a moment of senility

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[Juls]

Care to elaborate on your unvote/vote Erratus?

[Juls]

Well, since it is an unvote/vote I assume that there is a reason behind it. If this game is just a game of votes with no discussion where is the challenge in that? But hey if that's the point, I'm game

Unvote, Vote: Xtoxm

[Juls]

That was sarcasm.

[Juls]

unvote, vote Juls

Unvote Vote Juls

You 'old school' types stick together huh? That's ok. If I am going to dish it out, I have to take it too I guess.

[Juls]

people who have been around for a while.

[Juls]

Mod: Can we get a prod of Panamon? No post since Tuesday.

I am seeing a comon thread in this game of these one line posts without any meat to them. I am not sure how this benefits a pro-town agenda and the math says at least a few of you who are doing it are probably town (unless there is some weird setup going on). A little in way of analysis would be helpful. Here is my initial analysis of each player. Please feel free to comment and expand on it.

babygirl86 - I think she is town at this point.

ckd - king of the one line posts. Seems to be asking questions and gathering information. Would like to see him share his thoughts more.

Errastus - Adding nothing to the conversations. Jumped on a wagon early but was very blatant about it. If he is town, he is not helping anyone.

G-Force - Leaning toward him being town at the moment. Asks simple questions with a small amount of analysis

Orangepenguin - Early jumper on the Schehrezad bandwagon. Is providing little to no insight and just seems to agree with people. A little suspicious.

Panamon - seems to not be playing. Only one post and an EBWOP.

Pyrodwarf - Nothing to scummy but not adding anything to the conversation either.

Rhinox - Leaning toward him being town right now. He makes good observations imho.

RBT - Not a single meaningful post yet but is still hanging around. Suspicious.

Scheherezad - Came out very aggresive and then no posts for 3 days. He initially seemed scummy to me. I am reserving judgement until I hear more from him though.

Xtoxm - Similar playstyle to CKD. Gives nothing in the way of analysis but is asking questions.

[Juls]

OK that's a start, why are those 3 your top 3?

[Juls]

Well there was one post where you "seconded" what someone said and another post where you only said "good point" so that is what I mean by you agreeing with people.

As far as Xtoxm goes I think he is just trying to stir the pot so until he decides to participate in a meaningful manner I am just ignoring him. Maybe that's his scummy little plan for people to ignore him.

[Juls]

The Scheherazade bandwagon seemed fairly harmless until the Erratus vote. Orange gave a half serious / half joke vote, then you followed with a serious vote, panamon joke voted and then Erratus voted with no explanation. I think when Erratus posted it kinda took a bit of a target off of Sche and we started questioning Erratus's intentions.

Regarding his recent defense, I think his demeanor completely changed. He went from super aggressiveness to cowering in the corner. In his defense he contradicts himself. He wasn't concerned about the bandwagon forming against him but he didn't vote himself for fear of a mislynch. I can understand wanting to generate content early but trying to generate a singular response to me is still suspicious.

I have a few people on my scum radar right now (in no particular order):
1. CKD, Erratus, Xtoxm - I think at least one of them are scum but I still want hear what their intentions are for being so cryptic. Especially CKD, he asks thoughtful questions it seems but never shares his thoughts.
2. Scheherazade - for reasons stated above
3. RBT - Maybe he just doesn't post much but he has added nothing to the game. I should probably metagame him a little.
4. Everybody else!

[Juls]

When Sche questioned her early on, she defended herself before anyone even voiced suspicion. Throughout the early Juls/Sche debate, it feels like Juls has already decided that Sche is trying to make her look scummy.

My response to the whole sche thing in the beginning has remained unchanged. I thought it was scummy that he singled me out. If his intent was to generate content then why wasn't the question posed to everyone? I answered honestly and noted my suspicions of the question. I don't consider that to be defensive

She made what looked like a sarcastic/joke vote on Xtoxm, and has left her vote there. Xtoxm is now on her list of scum, but she has yet to explain what exactly makes Xtoxm scummier than everyone else on that list.

My vote for Xtoxm is and remains sarcastic. I haven't removed it because Xtoxm is not in iminent danger of a lynch and I am still trying to wrap my head around who I think is most suspicious. I would like to hear from the 3 in particular that I mentioned as being cryptic. I don't understand their motivations if they are town. How does it help town to be so vague? I mean Xtoxm's response to my "Why are those your top 3" question is a perfect example. If he is town why would he not just answer the question with a meaningful answer?

She says that she thinks BG86 is town with no explanation. Contrast that with her thoughts on Rhinox and myself, whom she gives reasons for, but is only "leaning toward" us being town. Juls, what exactly makes you so sure that BG86 is town?

To me "I think" and "Leaning toward" are interchangable. I am not sure of anyones alignment at this point. The reason I think bg may be town is because she pushed the issue about the L-2 and she also was recognizing some of the same things I was with the vague reasons for voting such as "I like wagon"

[Juls]

I would like to know your thoughts in general. You have asked a few questions here and there such as questions about the "if I were scum" argument, questioning what bg didn't like about bandwagoning, why I made my sarcastic post.

What observations have you made and where do your suspicions lie?

[Juls]

Sche to be honest, I had not thought twice about your initial aggressiveness until G-Force asked me some pointed questions about it. I haven't voted for you because I am not convinced you are scum and have only made notes of your behavior. Another thing I did not think much of was your most recent post addressing my questions until G-Force asked me about it. I stand by my analysis of that post but my level of suspicion toward you did not change from anything you said in it.

I appreciate your response to my inquiries.

[Juls]

I am sorry for my noobness but can someone explain to me what "chainsawing" is?

[Juls]

For the record, my vote should be considered as a real (read: not sarcastic) vote now. I think that Xtoxm is throwing haphazard accusations left and right to see which one sticks. First it was me, orange, and bg, now rhinox, and a little toward ckd. His reasons are lacking and often absent. I have said it before, if he is town, in no way does his actions benefit town.

Xtoxm likes to throw around things like this is "bull shit" or "nonsense". He seems to attack anyone who puts out analysis or points and does not respond to any questions posed to him or when he does, is vague or doesn't answer the question at all.

[Juls]

I disagree with the chainsawing argument but since RBT is clearly incapable of responding to simple friggin questions I believe the other person he claims was "attacking" EA was bgirl. She questionned him on the "I love wagon" comment. Although I seriously did not see some big (or small) EA movement.

[Juls]

He hasn't posted since Saturday. Most haven't posted since Tuesday. The vagueness of this group is taking it's toll on the game.

[Juls]

You didn't miss much...

[Juls]

The Sche wagon started as follows...

orangepenguin - you know too much for only playing a week
G-Force - you are aggressive
Panamon - no explanation
Erratus - he loves wagons (unvoted post 85)
Riceballtail - chainsawing agrument

I was more suspicious of the RBT vote than any of them. It seems a strange argument that admittedly I still don't understand who he was talking about.

[Juls]

Pardon my terminology. My sumation was the sumary of the votes that went to Scheharazade in the beginning and their reasonings

[Juls]

Xtoxm, Can you please tell me what you feel you have done in this game that is even remotely close to helping find scum? All I have seen from you other than your top 3 list is procedural type comments and comments about other people's questions.

RBT, same question. And not that I expect an answer but please do not use the chainsawing argument unless you intend to explain it fully. In response to altering your playstyle, if your playstyle is to be vague and throw out allegations without any sort of comentary to back it up, then you aren't very useful to me and will likely have my vote soon.

[Juls]

I /agree with the schizo part (just the schizo part) of your signature line. My vote isn't moving. For someone who "doesn't want to get lynch" you sure aren't making a good case for yourself.

[Juls]

I am not sure I understand what your whole objective was with your little scheme but I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

Unvote

[Juls]

X can you explain in a little more detail what your and RBT's intent was with the scheme he mentioned in post 225?

[Juls]

Pardon me Mr. high and mighty. I have played this game less than a month and I have seen some strategies that are "out there" to me at first but when explained make a little more since. I am not sure why you have to go out of your way to be rude and obnoxious. How about showing a little consideration to your peers?

[Juls]

orangepenguin....Is providing little to no insight

Haven't seen much in the way to change my mind about this. And I find it a little suspicious that we are several real days in and have got no scum hunting from him.

Vote: orangepenguin

[Juls]

Hmmmm....I can see an endless circle here. Let's pretend for a minute you are a vigilante. It is my guess that mafia have a roleblocker being that we now have masons and a vigilante (assuming Xtoxm, RBT, and OP aren't lieing still). Then isn't the mafia just going to role block you?

And now if we pretend you aren't vigilante, aren't you just going to claim tomorrow that you tried to kill but was roleblocked. And we are stuck in an infinite circle of just "trusting" you.

I think if you are a vigilante it would have been smarter to just soft claim a power role. I am not convinced yet.

[Juls]

No. I wanted to wait and see what the general consensus was by some of the more experienced players. All these claims are making my head spin. It sounds like people in general believe him or at least want to give him the benefit of the doubt for now so I will too for now

Unvote

. I don't really know who to put my vote on right now though.

[Juls]

No, it means exactly what I said. I wanted to see what other

more experienced

players thought about the claim. I left my vote there because
(1) I wasn't sure what to think about it
(2) I didn't buy it 100% (still don't)
(3) he wasn't close to a lynch and
(4) I didn't have anywhere else to put my vote at the moment.

[Juls]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=375

Vote: babygirl

Nice catch RBT.

[Juls]

EBWOP: Left this out by mistake

@Juls: Are you scum?

No. Are you?

[Juls]

I am posting this in all my games. I am through playing on mafiascum.net. I have found that people here are not very welcoming to new players and I don't really feel like taking the abuse. Good luck in the game.

Mod: Please find a replacement for me.

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