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[Salsabil Faria]

Because otherwise, the pair in my head is one of Ari/Datsi on one side, and Salsa/Datisi on the other, and I don't know that any of these situations are more likely in my head

Me/

Datisi

is also weird...

[Salsabil Faria]

I really don't know what you want from me. Fuck it, whatever, I'll just town lock you forever since I'm apparently an asshole if I don't.

^

this is from roden to IV

This was a genuine frustration Roden was having that he expressed sarcastically - he was not actually intending to locktown IV

Maybe you should read the conversation I had with Roden

he was not being sarcastic

he was asking me how he could possibly scumread IV because of mental damage.

Mew

was talking about mental damage stuff not

iv

,

iv

was talking about timing of their joining the thread by having a huge ass wagon.

[Salsabil Faria]

no

that is not what happened

just read the posts omg

When 2 different people tell you the same thing, maybe you should re-read?

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Kyouko

Don't you scumread me and

CO

??

[Salsabil Faria]

for what it's worth, you would not be alive if I were scum.

please elaborate on why i wouldn't be alive if you were scum here, considering our current nightkills have been an innocent child and a person who was HEAVILY softing investigative.

If we have 3 scums, then you catch 2 scums (scum!me and

iv

) from D1 + widely and STRONGLY townread by almost all of the players makes you more dangerous than ic (because

Roden

knows my town meta which is

this

and I could be pocketed him or at least kept him alive one more day to nk you).
And about

Dwlee

nk, I actually can't identify crumbs as any alignment. Now, it's possible in the scum!me scenario that my remaining scum partner noticed it which I can't convince you otherwise because I'm not scum and don't know how to convince you or anyone on this. But one fact I can tell is that, if scum!me choose the call then I would take your name because after

iv

elimination, you were pretty much clear and don't townread me at all.

[Salsabil Faria]

That thought was constructed during the night phase tbh
And there were others off wagon (but in reality I do think that initial assessment was probably wrong)

can you elaborate on this? like, i know you walked back and said you think it's wrong, but if it's something you started thinking during the night phase, that means there was some more thought to it, no? i'd like to hear about it if possible

also you missed/ignored this

Yes, I also asked but don't get any answer either...

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod

, V/LA for 2 days.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'll post later, busy rn. I've something to say, so don't eliminate me yet please.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't have that much to say other than my POE atm (it may help on the next day): {

CO

>

Ari

>

MR

/

Datisi

}

After being wrong on

datsi

and being wrong for the 3rd time (including

T3

and

Dwlee

) in the same time, I don’t have any confidence or solid thought/read left. Don’t think I can help this game anymore because I myself don't understanding anything after

datsi

's flipping VT + I'm a VT only.

Hope, town will win....

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

[Salsabil Faria]

@Ari

, you're also voting

T3

from Day 1 like me, but you're town and I'm scum?

If the mod didn’t add another day on D1, I would vote

iv

to end the day + if

T3

would alive in D3, my vote would be parked there again.

Btw, my final will start in an half an hour, so wish me luck...

I think

Ari

and

datsi

isn’t TvT.

Also

@ssbm

, why

MR

is scum to you?

I never saw 2 ic before, what kind of mafia pr can have for multiple ic?

Datisi votes for T3 -> 5 votes <says it's NM-1, it's not>

5 votes (with 7 to yeet) *is* nm-1 though

i'm gonna write freely and see where i end up

alive people are -

datisi

, margot, salsa, ari, kyouko,

enchant

, gamma, chaos
i'm town, enchant is ic, that leaves 2 scum in the remaining 6

if we're in the easy world - margot is town for her post that buried iv, kyouko is town for the relatively early vote on iv, ari is town for her attacks on iv and accusing him of manipulation, and chaos was attacking iv for a long while and didn't budge.

in that easy world, that leaves gamma and salsa. i am interested in what those two will present today.

however, the other two i kinda wanna be cautious about are kyouko and margot. kyouko is *probably* not scum because i recall someone saying her scumgame is flat and that she was efforting this game or making cases or whatever, but eh. margot, while her post on iv was pretty solid and helped convince our ic to vote there, it keeps nagging at me that that vote was made a bit lateish on the wagon, in a position where she couldn't have voted t3 since she kept defending him

(sidenote, this is what i was thinking of on d1 when i said i was feeling cold feet on margot/t3, i thought there was a mason soft there)

i'm still not feeling like playing mafia right now so these are notes for people to know vaguely where my head is at if they want to interact with me / for me to know what i want to look at later

vote-wise i'll start here: VOTE: salsabil

I was the one who said

ssbm

is flat as a scum.

I'm still townlocking

Datisi

and

MR

(if these 2 are scums then we're lost alredy!)

I has suspicion about

Enchant

slot due to

Mew

but now they're also clear which left 1 scums in this:

datsi

/

Ari

where I'm leaning towards town!

Ari

because of her

iv

push [if it's staged then we're already lost! (2)]

And the other scum in this:

ssbm

/

CO

where I townread

ssbm

independently and townread

CO

for the

iv

push. I need to re-read from D1 to figure this but if my townblock is accurate then that means scum was bussed

iv

.

VOTE: datsi

These quotes make it seem like you would be suspecting Ari more here, what makes me more likely to be scum?

In the scenario where

datsi

was town,

Ari

was scum to me where I was betting everything on

datsi

being scum but being wronged again for the 3rd time in a row and I don’t anything rn, don't have any confidence about anything anymore, nothing make sense to me at all! Also my strong townread from D1 (

Datisi

) said

Ari

won't be confscum even if

datsi

flipped green + I'm not confident + I think

Datisi

&

MR

both are towns so, one of you and

ssbm

has to be scum where

ssbm

is confirmed town which left you.

[Salsabil Faria]

AFTER I DIE, I WILL HAUNT YOU FOREVER SALSA DO YOU HEAR ME FOREVER.

I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS BAD MAFIA PLAY OR BAD TOWN PLAY, BUT IF YOU TOWN, YOU KNOW TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. YOU ARE ALSO CONFIRMED TOWNIE.
YOU HAVE AROUND 50% CHANCE BY VOTING ON RANDOM AND HIT MAFIA.

And.
You choose this?

I mean, I'm a bad player as alignment (not sure if I'll continue to play mafia games anymore).

Remember the game where you self voted because you knew scum will use you against town and you can't prove you're town? I didn’t understand the reasoning behind your decision then but now I understand perfectly. Now, scum has more reason to keep me alive and I can't prove to any of you that I'm town, I really don't know what to atm...

[Salsabil Faria]

Continuing @Salsa, you dont even need to have good reads to have a good chance at hitting scum toDay. We dont gain anything from seeing you flip green.

If I unvote now, I'm telling you, everyone of them will jump on me by telling I'm theatring or something which will make things worse. But think logically, I'm the dead weight here, even if I won't be eliminated this day, I'll be chopping block on the next day again, then again in elo. I REALLY don't know how to prove I'm town and you can't trust me only because I'm telling you that I'm town but not providing anything (which I don’t have anything to present neither I know what to do).

[Salsabil Faria]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR MOD!!!

[Salsabil Faria]

@

ssbm

, re 1652:
I had an early ping from

Datisi

but not sure if I was seeing things right or it's scum indicative for him.

This post is reading way too deep into stuff

yes
almost as if it was made halfway through page 1 of the game
what's the point of this comment

i dislike salsa's 253. not always coming from scum (and there has been some stuff from salsa later on i liked) but the "you are scumreading both me and this person that i voted once in very early game?? in what universe can we possibly be scum together?!?" as if that vote actually meant anything or is any kind of anti-partner indicative lol

If the vote didn’t mean anything, they why did you vote

Mew

or a deep analysis of the vote? And later, you mostly probably said you were liking their reasoning behind it. So, you're reading them based on something that

actually meant nothing[/b] according to you?

MR

later said, it’s not SvS which I read that post later. I was surprised to see that she put both of us in the scum list which indicates scum!me and scum!

Mew

started the game by theatring which is ridiculous.

because i am aware that the "deep analysis" i make on page 1 about 2 posts is going to be meaningless soon. it's already meaningless now, i don't even remember what bullshit i said there. it's meant to get discussion going, but you can bet that once we're past the initial rvs stage, i'm not gonna be basing almost any of my read on mew on the analysis i made in 17.

later on, i said i liked his response. that's got nothing to do with his votes in the game, i thought his responses to my analysis and other people voting him were townie enough.

stop twisting my words. i didn't say that nothing mattered there, i said that your vote on mew will soon hold no significance whatsoever, or arguably already doesn't hold any significance whatsoever considering you're not even voting him anymore. so saying "me and mew cannot be scum because i voted him early game" is wrong and maybe purposefully ignorant. after thinking for 10 seconds, i can show you at least 2 games where scum entered the game theatering, probably more if i put any more brain into it.

and considering you're far from a newbie now, i'd expect you to know that scum very much can enter the game with throwaway votes on each other. so the fact that you're pretending that you voting mew somehow clears you from being partners is ridiculous, if not outright scummy.

If I try to see this from scum!

Datisi

perspective, then it could be this: I caught him with contradiction where he had to bring up the

scum theatre

notion to dismiss the argument (or to shut down me) by using aggressive tone. Then later, he posted this when I called him out of being unnecessary rude:

i wasn't trying to be rude towards you, i saw you (either purposefully or accidentally) misrepping me and i'm gonna react accordingly to that. i guess excuse me for not assuming good faith from a person i am suspicious of, in a game of mafia, where i know there are people that will not have good faith towards me?

the "i'm not that confident in doing theatre early so i wouldn't do it" seems like a maybe townie thing to say, unless salsa is pretty ballsy scum, and she doesn't strike me as such?

where scum!he can push me later with this

theatring

business, means holding an option for later.

But not sure, if this really happened the way I'm describing or I'm just stretching here.

[Salsabil Faria]

@

Datisi

, your over reaction can point towards for scum!you also and even literally: conftown

ssbm

makes a case about scum!you ➤ some of the palyers are listening to the conftown ➤ the player whom scum!you can pocket so easily also reconsidering
➤ game is getting out of your hand ➤ thus the overreaction/nervousness/AtE whatever it is.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm contributing

Datisi

, I even proposed to vote myself out because clearly scum will take the benefit of the situation and it seems like they already started. I'm calling it: it's you and

CO

, the other two seems unlikely to be partnered with you.

Conftown

ssbm

's case shook you from inside, you're now desperately trying to scum prov

Ari

and not voting me (the easy target) so that everyone has dilemma inside and mean time, you can wifom your way out later.

Don't remember which player (they were in my early newbie game and an experienced player) but they said (not exactly like this) if you can't think of anything scummy about anyone, then they're likely to be scum.

@

Enchant

, if I think my presence in the game will harm town more, I self-hammered, you can ask

ssbm

now or

Dwlee

,

Roden

,

T3

post game. I don’t need to self-vote as scum yet, so don't have any answer for it.

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Datisi

[Salsabil Faria]

Yes, I'm saying this. You, yourself said the

overreaction

doesn’t necessarily town indicative for you. Again, YOU ARE questioning why people find the

overreaction

scummy and without giving any satisfying answer you boomerang the question towards the people who find the reaction suspicious: classic creating dilemma scum move (if that's what it called which was used by most probably Mena or Skitter in one of my previous games).

Most probably you fOrGoT, but when

Ari

also reacted in a

bad

way in pressure, I called that out too.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm contributing Datisi, I even proposed to vote myself out because clearly scum will take the benefit of the situation and it seems like they already started. I'm calling it: it's you and CO, the other two seems unlikely to be partnered with you.

what are you even saying? how is scum!me taking the benefit of the situation here? do you have any clue how easy it would've been for me to go "ye salsa is scummy that selfvote is bad lol let's vote her"? like genuinely this doesn't make any sense?

Did you take an oath anywhere that scum!you can't use wifom ever or make any mistake or something??

[Salsabil Faria]

Still happy with my Salsa vote. Going back to Datisi's question on who makes sense for her partner, both Ari and Datisi fit, Ari because of Salsa's reasoning in 1654 where she's scrapping all her previous logic because of lack of confidence to pivot away from Ari, but still using the logic to make me her next target, and Datisi from his amount of defending Salsa's slot over datsi's slot given similar circumstances (I know this has been explained in 1643, but it doesn't mean this is the actual reason). Need to read back through previous days looking at Salsa's interactions with everyone.

I'm not going to repeat same thing again again, so I'm giving you a universe to consider where I'm town. What is your solve now?

[Salsabil Faria]

Hypocrisy level 2.0

I'm calling you out because you made a huge fuss about it (like your bad reaction CAN'T BE CONSIDERED as scum indicative by others where YOU LITERALLY SAID IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY TOWN INDICATIVE) by not giving any answer but throw the question back to us which I find scum indicative because in my eyes I see you're using this tactic to dismiss the argument or cover the mistake (overreaction) or trying to create dilemma so that we (or only me) start to 2nd guess ourselves (myself).

[Salsabil Faria]

^that's for 1767

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm contributing Datisi, I even proposed to vote myself out because clearly scum will take the benefit of the situation and it seems like they already started. I'm calling it: it's you and CO, the other two seems unlikely to be partnered with you.

what are you even saying? how is scum!me taking the benefit of the situation here? do you have any clue how easy it would've been for me to go "ye salsa is scummy that selfvote is bad lol let's vote her"? like genuinely this doesn't make any sense?

Did you take an oath anywhere that scum!you can't use wifom ever or make any mistake or something??

you're claiming i'm taking advantage of the situation of you voting yourself and whatever. i'm asking how am i apparently taking advantage of that. you're dodging the question. like, genuinely asking, what do you think scum!me was trying to achieve there?

No, I'm not dodging anything. You're not voting but shading/pushing me which could be for 2 things:
1. Scum!you don't want to make your hand dirty.
2. To use wifom later by saying this: I didn’t vote her despite being an easy push, why scum!me would do that blah blah blah.

About what you achieve: if town has started to 2nd guess themselves then you can find your way out even if one of the conftowns caught you.

[Salsabil Faria]

O MY GOD!!

If something isn’t town indicative then it's

by default

scum indicative or vice versa??? I never heard about

null indicative

term before unless that's the case here?

If.I.remember.right, I actually gave ACTUAL FUCKING ARGUMENTS TWICE which for whatever reason you can't see?? Do you want me to consider you as conftown?

I'm literally not sure which one of this reaction is worse atm:

Ari

's calling out for vig while getting pressure or you being TOTAL CRAZY after seeing one conftown's case!!!

[Salsabil Faria]

or, OR, i'm not voting you because i'm town and i am unsure if just plowing through the poe is the right thing to do here since that's gotten us 2 green flips so far, but you're attacking me with some awful arguments that i have to defend against!

that explanation for what "scum me is doing" is incredibly weak and non specific? can you go into detail about what you thought there?

No, that's my whole case. I don’t find my way around in deepwolf case yet, so not possible for me to prove that you're the deepwolf.

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?


You're making a huge mistake here which won't tell you (or anyone) now, will disclose it on post game with example.

[Salsabil Faria]

???????????

It's NAI for you but you don't have any interest to say that before??

Overreaction itself doesn’t necessarily town indicative or scum indicative but you make it like this: I CAN'T BE REACTED LIKE THIS AS SCUM ⇨this is what I find scummy.

[Salsabil Faria]

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?

sorry, i have no clue what you're trying to say here or what you think this proves.

and what mistake am i making? cut the shit with revealing it post game.

Why I point out your mistake when I'm considering you as scum??

[Salsabil Faria]

Going to sleep now, my POE has changed btw:

Datisi

➤

CO

➤

Ari

➤

MR

Or,

CO

➤

Datisi

➤

Ari

➤

MR

@

Ari

, please don't give up! See, I'm doing something, you can do way more better than me.

[Salsabil Faria]

???????????

It's NAI for you but you don't have any interest to say that before??

Overreaction itself doesn’t necessarily town indicative or scum indicative but you make it like this: I CAN'T BE REACTED LIKE THIS AS SCUM ⇨this is what I find scummy.

i've been saying it's not town indicative for like 5 years but i'm not about to call myself scum so what the fuck did you think i was saying other than that it's nai lmfao???

also can you rephrase the last part, i don't get it

Dude, I've literally completed 1 year here a few days ago + I only played 1/2 games before this one? + I don’t stalk you so I can't know what is town, scum or nonalignment indicative for you.

From what you posted after being called out for the overreaction, it seems like you're telling that scum!you can never overreact the way you did, so that's literally and only town indicative and nothing else.

[Salsabil Faria]

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?

sorry, i have no clue what you're trying to say here or what you think this proves.

and what mistake am i making? cut the shit with revealing it post game.

Why I point out your mistake when I'm considering you as scum??

you could answer both questions in that quote, you know...

so that you can try to convince other people of me being scum and so that i can see whether you're genuinely thinking about the game and you think you found a mistake or if you're scum bullshitting and i should yeet you into the sun?

I'm phone posting so no.

Neither I give a damn about my elimination, nor I'm scared

Good night

[Salsabil Faria]

???????????

It's NAI for you but you don't have any interest to say that before??

Overreaction itself doesn’t necessarily town indicative or scum indicative but you make it like this: I CAN'T BE REACTED LIKE THIS AS SCUM ⇨this is what I find scummy.

i've been saying it's not town indicative for like 5 years but i'm not about to call myself scum so what the fuck did you think i was saying other than that it's nai lmfao???

also can you rephrase the last part, i don't get it

Dude, I've literally completed 1 year here a few days ago + I only played 1/2 games with you before this one? + I don’t stalk you so I can't know what is town, scum or nonalignment indicative for you.

From what you posted after being called out for the overreaction, it seems like you're telling that scum!you can never overreact the way you did, so that's literally and only town indicative and nothing else.

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

@

MR

, you played with me before. Ain't I playing in the similar way in this game also?
Or, just think about the mistakes I make here, do you really think my scum partners literally shut their mouth in the scum pt and let me do whatever I'm doing? 1 scum is gone, scum!me will be gone today, will be left 1 (by assuming 3 scums), so scum!me is deliberately playing against the wincon for what??
Yes, I did mistakes as scum, only when I was alone (

Enchant

can back this up) but we're thinking there are 2 scums left, right?
Why scum!me will not to choose to get the towncred and buss

iv

but instead of making me obvious later??

[Salsabil Faria]

See

ssbm

, I told you this will happen

@

MR

, Scum!me could easily enter D4 with voting

Ari

where I declare in D3:

if

datsi

flip green,

Ari

will be confscum to me

and could easily pushing her without saying much.

BUT, WHAT SCUM!ME DID INSTEAD? Scum!me entered the game with self vote where I know from N4 result, I will be eliminated no matter what and by knowing that, scum!me put myself at E-2 ⇨ is playing against my scum wincon.

If I'm literally the scum, then I could use my self vote situation in my favor and let it create dilemma in others mind?

BUT AGAIN, WHAT SCUM!ME DID INSTEAD??
Scum!me unvoted, started to contribute and voted THAT ONE PERSON WHO NOT GOING TO ELIMINATED TODAY OR TOMORROW OR EVER!!
Or, scum!me could literally vote

CO

instead when I had them in my 1st POE or even you to buddy

Datisi

. I'm the one who strongly townread

Datisi

from D1, now scum!me literally jump over him to make me look more bad ⇨ is playing against my scum wincon.


I've nothing left to say or do except use my self meta which I don’t want to.... do whatever you guys want, this game is a mess, I give up!

UNVOTE: Datisi

If you want me to put myself at E-1, feel free to tell me that

MR

and good luck town.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: MR

[Salsabil Faria]

Do you find difficulties voting someone? Does this create tension and sleepless night?
DON'T WORRY! I have a solution!!!!

Spoiler:

ALWAYS vote for the inactive ones! If any noisy people ask for the reason, just say:

They are inactive, duh!

UNVOTE: MR

VOTE: CO

[Salsabil Faria]

Guys, please understand!

Datisi

is

iSo-dIvInG

a thousand paged game and only he is doing it! Rest of us are chilling! Don’t you feel bad for him at all??? How ruthless!

Btw, does MS has

Worst Mafia Player

award? Please tell them to send it to me

[Salsabil Faria]

CAN'T SLEEP FOR 3 HOURS STRAIGHT!!! THAT'S MY PROBLEM

[Salsabil Faria]

Yeah, keep the obvscum(s) alive and kill me, town will literally win

[Salsabil Faria]

Cause I can

[Salsabil Faria]

Uh! Give him some time to talk with his partner in the scum pt

[Salsabil Faria]

I have sass backup

[Salsabil Faria]

So, scum didn’t kill???

Is this team (

Ari

/

CO

) possible? They happen to know many things but as towns, they shouldn’t?

[Salsabil Faria]

Town has 2 ic, 2 vig

Scum had ic-vigilante finder and what else?And no nk3??

[Salsabil Faria]

[Salsabil Faria]

Yes, I'm vt.

UNVOTE: CO

VOTE: MR

[Salsabil Faria]

Hmm, now I'm much more confused! Thanks

IF,

MR

vs

Datisi

is TvT, then the scum team is

Ari

/

CO

.

UNVOTE: MR

VOTE: CO

[Salsabil Faria]

Enchant

is born to tunnel me

[Salsabil Faria]

Uh! Don't feel bad! You're VERY GOOD at tunneling me This thing is started from that newbie where I was scum against you and you're salty from that game (but don't have balls to admit it ) which is hilarious because I lost that game

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not understanding this role thing but I also saw

universal backup

, not just

backup

in any of my games so far.

Btw, if

MR

flips red, the partner is likely

Ari

or

CO

here?

Datisi

seems unlikely.
If

MR

flips green, then

CO

is confscum?

UNVOTE: CO

VOTE: MR

[Salsabil Faria]

Actually

Ari

is most likely to be scum!

MR

's partner, they both strongly townread each other.
If

Ari

is really town, scum!

CO

is actually doing what??

[Salsabil Faria]

I can't understand a thing! Can someone explain it to me please??

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh thanks!
So

MR

is town?

[Salsabil Faria]

Does our mod town-sided? Like, everyone says

Datisi

is scum-sided mod.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't have much knowledge about roles and mechanism

CO

but I've green role pm

[Salsabil Faria]

Well, just remember for tomorrow:

Datisi then Salsa, then Chaos, then Ari, then ssbm, then enchant

I do actually wonder whether this is wild play by ssbm and I was actually correct to begin with that they are scum. Doesn't matter. My order stands. Will just be a funny reveal if it happens lol

Wait, wut???

[Salsabil Faria]

[Salsabil Faria]

I thought you think I'm the scum

[Salsabil Faria]

Hmm... What will be your solve if

MR

flip green?

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok, so

Ari

becomes the obvious scum, but there is a post of

ssbm

's (I'll find it later) where she said

CO

is hard bussing scum!me to get the towncread. But my role pm is green, so I'm wondering if

CO

did that to

MR

yesterday?

@Enchant

, I know you think I'm scum but please considering the fact for once that I'm town and tell me what do you think can be scum between

Ari

and [/b]CO[/b]?

I'm not considering

Datisi

here because then that will the HIGHEST bet scum game I've seen ever!

I'm gonna re-read the game from D1 later, busy rn.

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok, so

Ari

becomes the obvious scum, but there is a post of

ssbm

's (I'll find it later) where she said

CO

is hard bussing scum!me to get the towncread. But my role pm is green, so I'm wondering if

CO

did that to

MR

yesterday?

@Enchant

, I know you think I'm scum but please considering the fact for once that I'm town and tell me what do you think can be scum between

Ari

and

CO

?

I'm not considering

Datisi

here because then that will the HIGHEST bet scum game I've seen ever!

I'm gonna re-read the game from D1 later, busy rn.

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

I feel like it can be assumed that if Margot had waited for assistance in claiming, no matter who her partner was, he/she would have caught the error. Maybe Salsa doesn't catch it, idk. Not going to read too much into it because it is also possible Margot has slipped on purpose to make an experienced partner seem less likely to be partnered with Margot because he/she would have caught that mistake.

This post is actually making me paranoid tbh!

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod,

V/LA for 24 hours for having migraine.

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi, I'm here after a painful night...

I was also townreading

MR

btw...

Time for some iso-diving...

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi, I'm here after a painful night...

I was also townreading

MR

btw...

Time for some iso-diving...

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Mewtaph

CO

voted

Mew

talked about them with

Datisi

and then was MIA.

my solve is currently datsi/NM/T3

dont @me

This post pinged me,specially the @ part.

Ok, my read list:

Town:

Roden (n0 inno)

Town lean:

Dwlee99:

Roden says n0 innocent, so let's go with that. I still don't have any clue what the hell was going on with you and page 3. I'm happy to drop it, given the inno, but post game would like to know what this was all about.

Datisi

Fuck, this Datisi/Datsi thing is screwing my brain. With the DPs as well, I’m getting some serious twins from season 2 of Korra vibes.

VOTE: 17 would be a galaxy brain early play by scum. I don't think scum comes out the gate swinging analysis that quickly. Then again, I don't as Town, so who knows. I don't have a sense of Datisi's meta, having not played with them before, so I'm going with gut here and saying they are Town.

Null:

Three people with ISOs that are too shallow to get a good read on

Not_Mafia

• Claimed Miller

Aristeia

• Not much to go off rn, but want so badly to put in my Town reads for username, which may or may not be an indirect reference to my fave Greek tragedy cycle

Innocent Villager

• Similarly empty ISO

Chaos:

Also had a mostly empty ISO, though I will say 18 is a weird early read in a way that Datisi's wasn't? Like, Datisi at least seemed to have posted reads early because they had hard reads to go off, whereas it feels like Chaos is either jumping at shadows on page 1. It comes across to me as a far scummier version of the former, but not enough to drop further down the reads list.

ssbm_Kyouko

Has come out swinging in about four different directions in very rapid succession. Unclear if trigger happy or

Nullscum:

T3:

Very hestitant with this one, so putting in a separate category lol. The Miller/Mason/Encrypter stuff is very strange, but also probably not out of T3's Town range. Just putting T3 here so it's on notice, and will come back to the slot later.

Scum lean:

Datsi:

Of the twins, Datsi seems the scummiest. Their posts are short, heavy hitters, and their reads are very shallow. Their densest post was 107, which only contributed an explanation of how a role modifier works. Otherwise, they have voted five times, for four different slots, within 19 hours. Their explanations are about as thin as they come 78 114 128 (all with no context, one literally just 'we gottem bois' which is almost immediately walked back).

Salsabil Faria:

A lot of ISO, particularly responses to Mewtaph’s pressure reads like nothing fluff. Mewtaph calls it stepping on his toes, but it seems less viscous than that. I guess if I had to put a word to it, it would be pufferfishing. Filling with air with nothing backing it up. Hard, because again, this doesn't seem out of line with their meta, so it's hard to say one way or another

Mewtaph

I haven't liked this slot's play since page 1, and it hasn't changed. 22 is yet another galaxy brain take, and 39 and 48 give me really bad vibes. In addition, they sheeped Dwlee's vote on innocentvillager 60, again with no context. The explanation, I'm sure, would be to apply pressure on a quiet slot, but I just don't get this playstyle. Is it just apply pressure haphazardly over and over and hope someone accidentally admits that they are scum?

The 1st read-list from

MR

.

Ari

,

CO

and

iv

were in the null group, me was in the scumlean group.

I like Kyouko, I think the confusion about the IC probably comes more from town than scum.

VOTE: Datsi

I have a weird feeling this flips scum here.

The

datsi

death tunnel from

Ari

had started.

@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?

if you pull up gamma emerald(datsi)'s iso, he doesn't talk very much about NM, just a throwaway comment about not remembering NM claiming miller before

he has NM as dead null in his list.

I think this means they are mafia together.

Just realized, I never got the logic behind this reasoning when specially you know

N_M

's play style & people actually don't/can't interact with them....

@Ari

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

----

ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

It's not ancient history, it was 10 pages ago. My problem with you is that I think you're lying and now waffling between pivoting to the utility of you making weird posts (it took us out of RVS, that's good, yay me) and still trying to justify your posting as good because it provided pressure and allowed your read on SF to be clearer. Please clarify what pressure you applied with your posting, and how this is different than pressure that I am referring to.

Oh, so it's a serious vote then. Alright.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

I don't like ssbm_Kyouko's reasoning for their vote in their last post because trying to meta someone you haven't really played with doesn't really work. Or at least the meta read is going to be shallow as I know that it is wrong here. I know that you replaced into my scum slot but you haven't really engaged with me as players with me being scum and you being town so for you to call me on a scumtell is a little bit unsettling.

I don't understand Margot's scumread on me either. I wasn't exactly trying to do a galaxy brain play, just trying to move the game out of RVS. I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically. Is it because they come off as forced or something else entirely? I have no clue, just that they don't like my posts and that they don't like the AtE coming from my slot (which I don't really spot, but okay).

Of all the votes on me, ChaosOmega's vote makes the most sense to me and he has explained why he thinks my opening comes off poorly and I can see why. Overall though there's just not enough content in his ISO for me to feel comfortable giving him a solidified read. Similarly, Aristeia is in the same boat. Just not enough posts for me to feel comfortable giving a settled read on. Hopefully that changes by the end of the day.

Few things here:
- Why wouldn't you address Margot's read on you in her read list when I asked you about her in 271?
- How can you say here "I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically" when you said in 15/19 that you saw the possibility to receive votes for your post directed to Salsabil Faria?
- You criticize ssbm for using meta against you, but I also used meta against you in 271. Why push her and not me for it?

-----

I'm aware that I'm sort of tunneled here at this point, I don't have any other strong reads right now. I don't feel great about Dwlee, but it's more a vibe than anything, don't have a case to make (and also the last time I played with Dwlee they were town and I pushed them, so this might just be a bias I have against their posting style).

T3, has your read changed on Mewtaph since 118?

Then

CO

came out of being MIA and admitted that they were tunneling

Mew

but there were so many posts from everyone which they ignored to comment on except expressed suspicious on

Dwlee

.

VOTE: Mewtaph

VOTE: mewtaph

Datisi/Chaos aren't pared from this.

Upon re-read (and considering my reads were real trash in this game ), seems to be an important overlook from

T3

.

I am happy you are back T3!

VOTE: T3

we should kill T3 since he's scum claimed

i said he was scum because he wasn't enthusiastic and in response he decided to spampost a bunch of nonsense

also i still think gamma is probably mafia and maybe not with NM

I'm too lazy to figure out who #3 is can we just kill t3

I'm also ok with killing NM now that I think about it some more.

there is some chance he is mafia and if he is town it is ok since he usually scumsides anyway so it's not really a loss if we flip town NM

This series of post from scum!

Ari

is possible as if she started to decide which players to push and how but at the same time it’s kind of become hypocrisy from my side to scumread her as I also hard scumread

T3

+ agreeing with her case iirr. So I need

Enchant

's and

Datisi

's opinion here.

[Salsabil Faria]

Stopping at page 20 today (sorry for going slow, don't want to pressurize my eyes). If it’s not cleared what I'm doing here, I'm thinking both

Ari

and

CO

are scums and upon re-reading, will try to figure out who most likely to be scum (of course with the help from conftowns).

[Salsabil Faria]

I would say the probability of Gamma being scum is higher than the probability of NM being scum since I can see Scum!Gamma treating Town!Nm like this also.

however I am ok with killing NM because NM!town has tilted me in the last few games we've played together and he is closer to his scum meta than his town meta

Very much disliked this post.

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

----

ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

It's not ancient history, it was 10 pages ago. My problem with you is that I think you're lying and now waffling between pivoting to the utility of you making weird posts (it took us out of RVS, that's good, yay me) and still trying to justify your posting as good because it provided pressure and allowed your read on SF to be clearer. Please clarify what pressure you applied with your posting, and how this is different than pressure that I am referring to.

Oh, so it's a serious vote then. Alright.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

I don't like ssbm_Kyouko's reasoning for their vote in their last post because trying to meta someone you haven't really played with doesn't really work. Or at least the meta read is going to be shallow as I know that it is wrong here. I know that you replaced into my scum slot but you haven't really engaged with me as players with me being scum and you being town so for you to call me on a scumtell is a little bit unsettling.

I don't understand Margot's scumread on me either. I wasn't exactly trying to do a galaxy brain play, just trying to move the game out of RVS. I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically. Is it because they come off as forced or something else entirely? I have no clue, just that they don't like my posts and that they don't like the AtE coming from my slot (which I don't really spot, but okay).

Of all the votes on me, ChaosOmega's vote makes the most sense to me and he has explained why he thinks my opening comes off poorly and I can see why. Overall though there's just not enough content in his ISO for me to feel comfortable giving him a solidified read. Similarly, Aristeia is in the same boat. Just not enough posts for me to feel comfortable giving a settled read on. Hopefully that changes by the end of the day.

Few things here:
- Why wouldn't you address Margot's read on you in her read list when I asked you about her in 271?
- How can you say here "I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically" when you said in 15/19 that you saw the possibility to receive votes for your post directed to Salsabil Faria?
- You criticize ssbm for using meta against you, but I also used meta against you in 271. Why push her and not me for it?

-----

I'm aware that I'm sort of tunneled here at this point, I don't have any other strong reads right now. I don't feel great about Dwlee, but it's more a vibe than anything, don't have a case to make (and also the last time I played with Dwlee they were town and I pushed them, so this might just be a bias I have against their posting style).

T3, has your read changed on Mewtaph since 118?

CO

, you sounds different which I can't talk about rn but if I'm right then you and

Mew

aren’t TvT, SvS also seems unlikely.

I can express the reason now, the last game of mine with town!

CO

, they were more active and was a PR. In D1, they seemed larking for some reason.

Updates from page 13 to bottom of page 17 (These take me a while, and I have a meeting to get to in half an hour, so can’t finish. Apologies)

Kyo:

382 makes me like her better. A lot of the justifications comning out of this aren’t necessarily justifications I buy, but the post comes across as Townier than other slots. The Mewtaph meta stuff is very interesting. Feel like the Datsi stuff might be correlating for the sake of correlating though.

Aristeia:

I like this slot a little less. 383 is a wild reason to FoS datsi. Don’t know what to make of it; I don’t like Datsi either, but reading NM and Datsi as scum because NM was read as null, with his posting 2 (3 at a stretch) genuine content posts before this one, seems very strange.

In the case of both of the above, I don't think it would change anything necessarily. They are both Null still, but these are just things that I'm keeping an eye on.

As I've explained previously, Dwlee is now in my sum reads. But, to bring it home;

InnocentVillager:

I haaaaaate everything from 395 to 416. Me aside, the fact that Salsa and Datisi are the only other scum reads, despite everything in the preceding pages, blows my mind. Mind is further blown by the Town reads on Dwlee, mewtaph and gamma, all of whom, at least up until this point, have been scummy as shit. It reads so much like scum jumping in with no idea of the game state and throwing reads around based on the first few pages.

May switch vote after reqarding the rest of the thread and working out where the votes are atm

In this read-list,

MR

expressed

less likeness

about

Ari

and strongly scumread on

iv

. My question is, if it was needed to put both scum-partners in the spot light? Or scum!

Ari

's

N_M

/

datsi

theory was already getting suspicion, so

MR

was needed to do that??

VOTE: T3
The stuff you’re saying about him makes sense though

Don't know your and

Datisi

's history with

Aris

but the spoilers and the private interaction in between is making me paranoid

Is there any pocketing attempt going on somehow?

@Ari

, despite having solid crush on

Datisi

, how likely scum!you can/want to pocket him?

you are so silly datisi

if you want me to vote iv you need but ask

VOTE: iv

i would do anything for you

*PARANOIA*

if you want me to vote iv you need but ask

i don't *want* you to vote iv, i want to see what you say about him without my direct prompting, and it seemed like that answer was "nothing"

did you have no thoughts on him prior to his posting on the last page?

IV hasn't really done anything in the game and I've never played with him before so why would I have thoughts on him?

Scum!

Ari

dodged the question with vague answer?

To be clear, I'm not frustrated that people are FoS'ing me. I'm frustrated that people seem so resistant to getting a player up against a wall d1

this feels townie to me

welcome to the site Margot!

: )

Usually scum try to distance from each other but

MR

was getting suspicions for putting

iv

at E-1 that moment, so scum!

Ari

was defending her partner here which can be a
bold move imo.

@Datisi

, is

Ari

bold as scum?

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

Iirr,

CO

was scumreading her on D3 because of this vote switch.

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

Why? -_-

You only show up to post when someone mentions your name and then you spam a bunch of nonsense, it feels like you're following along/reading but only contributing when you feel threatened and your contributions don't even make sense.

@Ari

, did you play with

T3

before?

I feel like she raises valuable point against T3 and wanted to see how she responded to me voting there
ngl, not exactly a fan of what I saw

what do you mean?

I voted your leading suspect because I liked the logic, you should show some enthusiasm that your suspect is getting traction and that maybe you’re enticing scum to bus
Instead you developed cold feet on T3 entirely in favor of pushing IV for

taking Datisi’s attention

This post has point...

everyone else

nm is like 95% town for the miller claim because nm knows how to play mafia but doesn't care enough to fakeclaim miller as scum.

ari, chaos no idea

margot kind of blends into the background aside from that crazy E1? it feels weird that she feels obligated to update her reads list so much but that's probably just a playstyle thing. or a self conscious newb scum ha. regardless im sure ill get a better sense of this slot after voteparking her

i would attempt a dumb early solve but it's literally too dumb and too early so ill just wait until i get in the game a little more before utterly embarrassing myself (not that it's going to increase my read accuracy much anyway probs, lol)

On their 1st read-list,

iv

had nothing on

Ari

,

CO

and strongly scumread

MR

at that point.

I voted your leading suspect because I liked the logic, you should show some enthusiasm that your suspect is getting traction and that maybe you’re enticing scum to bus
Instead you developed cold feet on T3 entirely in favor of pushing IV for taking Datisi’s attention

?

I didn't develop cold feet on T3

I still want to kill T3,

I like sheeping Datisi when he expresses confidence.

It is fun and besides it's more likely things happen when there is actual pressure rather than just you and I voting T3.

Meh..

i mean it could just be IV/T3/Datsi

Switching the gear? From scum!

Ari

's perspective could be cause some started to get suspicious about

iv

's AtE at that point and some had opposite thoughts, so a good time for hard buss??

[Salsabil Faria]

That's all for today (from page 21 to 30), will do more tomorrow hopefully. Want to mention that

CO]/b] was MIA again at that moment.

I know I'm doing wall posting which tough to follow but I'll be glad if you guys put your thoughts on my observations and answers my questions (the @ ones).

[Salsabil Faria]

hm. it's interesting seeing salsa bring out the post where ari has a solve that is 0/3.

What do you mean?

[Salsabil Faria]

In page 31 and 32,

Ari

was going against

datsi

and

T3

while voting

T3

+ thinking

iv

is

datsi

's partner.

In page 32,

CO

came back and unvoted

Mew

by saying they're liking the slot but didn’t have thoughts on others.

In that very page,

iv

was going against

MR

and

MR

was going against

iv

but expressed her disagreement in

T3

wagon.

Currently my readlist is like this:

Sweeter than the first Dewdrops of the Morning:

Datisi

Foamy Ocean Waves upon the Sand:

Dwlee, Salsa, Kyouko

A Forest Blooming in the Springtime:

Margot, Mewtaph

The taste of ash in the air after a Great Fire:

Datsi, Not_Mafia, ChaosOmega

Fire and Blood:

T3, IV

1st read-list from

Ari

where

iv

was in scum list and

Mew

was in town list.

I don't have a lot of experience playing with IV so I am kind of relying on your experience here, however I don't think he's posted anything that makes me think he is trying to be active in advancing the game state - it's mostly "how dare you vote me" AtE which is very bleh to me.

Also I found it weird that his emotional reaction feels very controlled, he seems to be only getting upset at certain people voting for him.

Starting of

Ari

's catching

scum AtE

from

iv

.

In page 34,

Ari

vs

iv

was happening; no sign of

CO

again. In the meantime,

Roden

vs

Mew

was happening,

MR

came and said she still think

iv

and

Mew

are scums.

In page 37,

Dwlee

expressed their reason for voting

Ari

. These posts caught my eye:

Lying about meta to townread someone you know is town is something scum 100% do (I think t3 has done this before)

datsi
T3
ChaosOmega
innocentvillager

my list is shorter than dwlee's so i'm automatically better than him *happy*

Also there was no progression moving away from thinking NM is closer to scum meta

is she telling lies there? because if not, i don't feel like prying about a potential alt is gonna net you any good

good catch on n_m though, @aristeia?

I realized it doesn't actually mean much for NM's alignment for Gamma to treat him that way, it says more about Gamma's alignment than NM's - I find the arguments made that NM is miller because he wouldn't claim miller as scum make some sense.

Ari

's reply which is actually not bad tbh.

im willing to kill nm because im kind of annoyed at him gamethrowing last time we were t/t

he quickhammered my lover pair and then self hammered himself the next day to end the game for a scum win.

if he is town he might as well be playing for the other side

Then this post... I'm not actually quite sure how to feel about it yet...

VOTE: datsi

I've re-read, but I still don't have a great bearing on things. Top scumreads are datsi, Dwlee, and iv. datsi's progression on Margot (from 203 to 267 to 269) reads weird, like you want to keep on Datisi's good side but didn't actually change the read at all. 289 also has a weird vibe, really just the "I am loathe to use it as the primary evidence for a push" part. The tone is weirdly cautious, and given the light push (492) and then defending the slot (711/714) later, it reads partner-y. The sequence 508/616/630/690/698, datsi drops the thread and doesn't mention Ari again, it doesn't read like datsi is trying to solve Ari's slot.

Dwlee, 66 gives them a reason not to be NK'd, a claim wasn't necessary there as part of the reaction test. It's already been commented on, but the early buddying with Datisi reads odd. It's so over the top to the point that it doesn't read as trying to pocket, but still odd. Speaking of lame reaction tests, they spend multiple posts on multiple people asking for opinions on Roden. Obviously a joke, but it's made in a way to look vaguely productive like they're doing a reaction test. 287 gives similar vibes to datsi's 269 earlier. If you think it makes him likelier to be scum, then push him and get something out of him, the hand-wringing here is weird.

Getting ready to eat dinner, will follow up on this later with iv.

CO

arrived with some reads:

Dwlee

,

datsi

and

iv

were scums to his that point and voted

datsi

.

In page 39,

Ari

vs

iv

started again, then

Roden

joined.

Hi, I'm alive but hospitalized. I can play this game but not as much actively I normally play atm, sorry for that.

I read the game and think at least one scum is in this FoS list (in no particular order) of mine:

N_M
Mew
T3
CO
iv

N_M

's millar claim can be come from scum!him despite of not claiming millar before which I can't talk about rn.

The town!

CO

I saw is not similar here which I also can't talk about yet.

But I'll not touch them yet as I need to discuss about it which I can't atm.

Now I can disclose it: they both were on

Lemon Demon

.

CO

was a town pr and more active; scum!Titus claimed millar in D1 and win the game as conftown, so I thought scum!

N_M

can use this tactic.

[Salsabil Faria]

Done up to page 40, will be back later.

[Salsabil Faria]

I see the mood in the room is quite against me and noone is on my side

that's fine, I have made many mistakes and probably deserve it

I have a small request.

I would like the dignity of self-hammering if it is decided that I should be eliminated today

I have some things to say at the end and regret I can't be of more aid to you.

FWIW, I have started re-reading from page 1. You were more active then

CO

on D1, so your posts are getting quoted more. As I'm considering both you and

CO

scums atm, expressing my thoughts according to it.

I'm gonna shut my mouth for the

self vote

matter, I'm not the right person to tell anything at this matter. Others can give you the good advice.

I've some questions in my wall posts for you, can you address those? If you answered already then just mention the post number kindly.

[Salsabil Faria]

Thanks

CO

[Salsabil Faria]

in a nicer way (sorry) how is this advancing the game state forward other than just making each other more agitated?

how is it not advancing the game state for me to advocate for the elimination of someone I scumread for being super manipulative with his emotional output?

In page 41, again

Ari

vs

iv

happened, later

I'm convincing the conftown (

Roden

) that

iv

is scum

was started to happen. My thought on

Roden

's 1022 was sarcasm (

ssbm

also agreed on that later) but

Ari

kept telling that

Roden

was

serious

and

she convinced the conftown that

iv

was being emotionally manipulative

. Most probably when

CO

pushed her on D3, she used this to defend herself.

If no one's interested in datsi, I'll make my vote useful.

VOTE: innocentvillager

I can't get a good read on T3 or N_M this game (or ever, really), so I'm fine going there as well. Not really into the Margot wagon.

Came back this time with bussing

iv

while soft defending

MR

??

VOTE: T3

Hmm, this is actually a bad shift, ngl...

Mewtaph having pressure against their slot lowered and then ghosting for almost 4 days is a bad look. They're not active on site at all, so could have just flaked.

with how lethargic this game has been, it kind of feels like scum are just fine with what's going on and t3 has been on the radar for quite a while now

This is kind of the feeling I have, although of the 4 wagons that are a thing right now, T3 is the one I most support that isn't the one I'm currently on.

Then this post was happened. Shading

Mew

, supporting

T3

wagon but voting

iv

!!!

Chaos, what happened to your suspicions on Dwlee? They seemed pretty consistent up to 942, then Dwlee makes 943 and you seem to drop it because he AtEs you. I thought this drop of the read was worse than it really was because I thought you made 1047

after

Datisi had just voted Dwlee (I was reading your ISO and recalled 1047 was made around the time that happened, but when I opened thread I saw Datisi voted in 1049).

Can you also go into your IV scumread? You said you'd follow up with it but didn't post the reasoning later on, just voted him

This post has point (2)

Chaos, what happened to your suspicions on Dwlee? They seemed pretty consistent up to 942, then Dwlee makes 943 and you seem to drop it because he AtEs you. I thought this drop of the read was worse than it really was because I thought you made 1047

after

Datisi had just voted Dwlee (I was reading your ISO and recalled 1047 was made around the time that happened, but when I opened thread I saw Datisi voted in 1049).

Can you also go into your IV scumread? You said you'd follow up with it but didn't post the reasoning later on, just voted him

I still have suspicions of Dwlee, I'm just cognizant of previously misreading them and going off the rails (and you were in that game as well). Especially since they're not a viable option today, I'm tabling it for now.

True, let me go back through here. His opening, this is a minor point and I'm biased because I've seen scum do it twice now since I've been back, but his start where he's like livetweeting as he's reading supposedly to look town and give genuine reactions seems easy for scum to fake. I'm going to quote his read on Datisi from 694:

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too.

This is also minor (which might be a trend), but this is a weird choice of wording to use. He scumread Datisi earlier in the game, the post has Datisi in null, so his read softened a bit it looks like, but wording it like this makes it seem like the bad push on his slot is most likely if Datisi is town, which he was arguing against earlier. This also seems like a weird backtrack to make on Datisi's slot, he scumread Datisi previously, but now none of his actions are AI to him. It reads like he got Datisi to suspect him less, then lessened his own read to disengage and get suspicion off himself. I also think his scumread and park on Margot is lazy, but this might be more of a playstyle difference and I understand why he would be more invested in the read.

CO

's case on

iv

...

I'm back properly, and I have the energy and the the passion to actually spell out all the reasons IV is scum.

IV drops in 336, clearly has only caught up enough to have worked out they had three votes and that's it. They park a vote on Datsi (338), well outside of RVS, but four hours later they indicate they don't have a reads list 395.

I would be interested for someone to do a meta dive on all their posts prior to 570. The ones with anything even approaching substance are all but non-existent, and I have serious doubts about the ones that claim to have substance.

Before we get into 570, I would also like to make a brief detour to point out that my read on IV in 526 is basically the same read that Datisi gives in 553. If you don't like my vote, don't like theirs either. Which you won't do, obviously, because Datisi is basically town lock for everyone at this point.

So then 570.

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

okay this is the basis for my push?

Datisi idk wtf ur doing here I hope you don’t actually believe this

I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours phoneposting and I am like 20+ pages behind or whatever

Granted the late start was my fault but I don’t see how You could think I’m just scum here

My catch was done in the middle of the workday which I don’t really have a real break I’m taking time out to play this

If you MUST know what I was doing last night I am with my partner celebrating a holiday and I don’t really want to be playing mafiascum during that

Was I seriously about to die because I hadn’t posted for like 16 hours?? Hello what the fuck Datisi? And how did people agree with that?

I swear dogshit like this makes me want to go back into hiatus I don’t have like 2 hours every day to devote to this and I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time I go away for a very reasonable amount of time

Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this. like I’d like to think Town gou isn’t this bad how can you possibly show so much confidence in this read just based on that. I hope you have a great explanation for this or I am vote parking you the rest of the game

actually one of the most ridiculous flashwagons I have seen in my life

Margot is also scum here or needs to go back to Newbie queue for intentionally putting me at E1 this early on AND asking for a claim especially with NM in the game but maybe not even

I will put a little bit of time into this tonight but if I’m going to get killed because im not poring over this for hours a day like cmon that’s just ridiculous

So first off, it isn't actually true that it had been less than 24 hours. This post was made

just over

24 hours after the last one. I felt like my autism was probably showing a bit too much to hold onto this as a tell, but I really didn't like it at the time. Less than 24 hours works better for AtE purposes than "24 hours ago" imo, so it was a slight scum tell. Especially when the gap between the posts previous and the posts made in this block was just over 18 hours, and in the post he says it had been 16. Like, minor inconsistencies, but it just got into my head a bit that there were enough little lies that had just enough of an emotional justification to be indicative of something.

Aside from anything else, though, this is a wild post to come from someone who has refused to give reads given the string of posts from 395 to 416, in which he spends over 20 minutes posting on this forum, responding to other people's play and giving slight reads one way or the other. This part here, "Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this." is particularly telling, imo. The only adequate response to Datisi would be reads. Instead, they get mad about Datisi expecting any reads in the first place.

Why? Because they have no reads. Because they know who scum is, and because if you are Town and have 20 minutes to read through a game, your priority is finding scum, and if you are Scum and have 20 minutes to read through a game, your priority is making sure everyone thinks you are Town.

That's why there are so many posts in that 20 minute window.

That's why the posts are full of inane nonsense.

That's why 24 hours after entering the game properly, IV still had no real reads, and had instead spent what little time he had on the forums to try and endear himself to other players rather than read people's alignment.

IV is scum. I throw the book straight at his face and say good day.

VOTE: IV

MR

's case on

iv

... Scum theatre 2.0

I feel like if T3 was scum, he would have jumped on the iv wagon for towncred. It's possible both of the big wagons at the end of D1 were on scum, but not super likely I think.

VOTE: Aristeia

Top 2 scum reads are Ari and datsi, but I think it's fairly unlikely they're the last 2 scum given their interactions so far. Ari's pivot from iv to T3 on 1117 is not a great look given the timing and wagon sizes at that point.

Staring of the

Ari

push from D2...

I feel like if T3 was scum, he would have jumped on the iv wagon for towncred. It's possible both of the big wagons at the end of D1 were on scum, but not super likely I think.

VOTE: Aristeia

Top 2 scum reads are Ari and datsi, but I think it's fairly unlikely they're the last 2 scum given their interactions so far. Ari's pivot from iv to T3 on 1117 is not a great look given the timing and wagon sizes at that point.

so T3 would've voted IV for towncred but me who spent most of my day talking about how IV is a scumbag using AtE to defend himself, I wouldn't vote him for towncred?

Do you actually read what you post before you post it?


VOTE: T3

Starting of the

T3

push (I'm equally responsible )

[Salsabil Faria]

Done up to page 50...

@Mod

, how many days left?

[Salsabil Faria]

Is it possible we have 4 scum here?
Honestly had thoughts about it.

VOTE: Mod

[Salsabil Faria]

Feeling lazy, will start from page 51 later...

[Salsabil Faria]

@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?

if you pull up gamma emerald(datsi)'s iso, he doesn't talk very much about NM, just a throwaway comment about not remembering NM claiming miller before

he has NM as dead null in his list.

I think this means they are mafia together.

Just realized, I never got the logic behind this reasoning when specially you know

N_M

's play style & people actually don't/can't interact with them....

@Ari

@Ari

..

[Salsabil Faria]

Upon re-reading D1, I come into this conclusion:

Ari

's starting reason for scumreading

T3

based on play style thing which is NAI for

T3

which people know... specially, who played with them before and

Ari

also played multiple games with

T3

and for scumreading

datsi

for the interaction basis with

N_M

also doesn’t sit well with me as

N_M

literally has less/0 interaction with anyone as any alignment... at least, from all the games I played with him, I saw this. So, this 2 pushes can indicate towards scum!

Ari

scenario: scum!her wanted to have more options to push later, so was creating reason to start pushing on that basis.

@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?

if you pull up gamma emerald(datsi)'s iso, he doesn't talk very much about NM, just a throwaway comment about not remembering NM claiming miller before

he has NM as dead null in his list.

I think this means they are mafia together.

T3 feels kind of listless/boring, them losing interest in a game usually leans more scum indicative for me.

Then the shift from

iv

to

T3

at that point of time is actually looking bad.

VOTE: T3

Then we have

CO

who really was inactive (scum!him could be larking for staying under the radar) and for a good amount for time was tunneling

Mew

and later had strong opinion on

iv

which gets me thinking, what if all of these are scum theatre? Look at these posts:

Chaos, what happened to your suspicions on Dwlee? They seemed pretty consistent up to 942, then Dwlee makes 943 and you seem to drop it because he AtEs you. I thought this drop of the read was worse than it really was because I thought you made 1047

after

Datisi had just voted Dwlee (I was reading your ISO and recalled 1047 was made around the time that happened, but when I opened thread I saw Datisi voted in 1049).

Can you also go into your IV scumread? You said you'd follow up with it but didn't post the reasoning later on, just voted him

I still have suspicions of Dwlee, I'm just cognizant of previously misreading them and going off the rails (and you were in that game as well). Especially since they're not a viable option today, I'm tabling it for now.

True, let me go back through here. His opening, this is a minor point and I'm biased because I've seen scum do it twice now since I've been back, but his start where he's like livetweeting as he's reading supposedly to look town and give genuine reactions seems easy for scum to fake. I'm going to quote his read on Datisi from 694:

datisi - i honestly have no idea on datisi nothing he's done makes me think town or scum. push on me was bad but i can see it from scum him too.

This is also minor (which might be a trend), but this is a weird choice of wording to use. He scumread Datisi earlier in the game, the post has Datisi in null, so his read softened a bit it looks like, but wording it like this makes it seem like the bad push on his slot is most likely if Datisi is town, which he was arguing against earlier. This also seems like a weird backtrack to make on Datisi's slot, he scumread Datisi previously, but now none of his actions are AI to him. It reads like he got Datisi to suspect him less, then lessened his own read to disengage and get suspicion off himself. I also think his scumread and park on Margot is lazy, but this might be more of a playstyle difference and I understand why he would be more invested in the read.

I'm back properly, and I have the energy and the the passion to actually spell out all the reasons IV is scum.

IV drops in 336, clearly has only caught up enough to have worked out they had three votes and that's it. They park a vote on Datsi (338), well outside of RVS, but four hours later they indicate they don't have a reads list 395.

I would be interested for someone to do a meta dive on all their posts prior to 570. The ones with anything even approaching substance are all but non-existent, and I have serious doubts about the ones that claim to have substance.

Before we get into 570, I would also like to make a brief detour to point out that my read on IV in 526 is basically the same read that Datisi gives in 553. If you don't like my vote, don't like theirs either. Which you won't do, obviously, because Datisi is basically town lock for everyone at this point.

So then 570.

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

okay this is the basis for my push?

Datisi idk wtf ur doing here I hope you don’t actually believe this

I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours phoneposting and I am like 20+ pages behind or whatever

Granted the late start was my fault but I don’t see how You could think I’m just scum here

My catch was done in the middle of the workday which I don’t really have a real break I’m taking time out to play this

If you MUST know what I was doing last night I am with my partner celebrating a holiday and I don’t really want to be playing mafiascum during that

Was I seriously about to die because I hadn’t posted for like 16 hours?? Hello what the fuck Datisi? And how did people agree with that?

I swear dogshit like this makes me want to go back into hiatus I don’t have like 2 hours every day to devote to this and I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time I go away for a very reasonable amount of time

Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this. like I’d like to think Town gou isn’t this bad how can you possibly show so much confidence in this read just based on that. I hope you have a great explanation for this or I am vote parking you the rest of the game

actually one of the most ridiculous flashwagons I have seen in my life

Margot is also scum here or needs to go back to Newbie queue for intentionally putting me at E1 this early on AND asking for a claim especially with NM in the game but maybe not even

I will put a little bit of time into this tonight but if I’m going to get killed because im not poring over this for hours a day like cmon that’s just ridiculous

So first off, it isn't actually true that it had been less than 24 hours. This post was made

just over

24 hours after the last one. I felt like my autism was probably showing a bit too much to hold onto this as a tell, but I really didn't like it at the time. Less than 24 hours works better for AtE purposes than "24 hours ago" imo, so it was a slight scum tell. Especially when the gap between the posts previous and the posts made in this block was just over 18 hours, and in the post he says it had been 16. Like, minor inconsistencies, but it just got into my head a bit that there were enough little lies that had just enough of an emotional justification to be indicative of something.

Aside from anything else, though, this is a wild post to come from someone who has refused to give reads given the string of posts from 395 to 416, in which he spends over 20 minutes posting on this forum, responding to other people's play and giving slight reads one way or the other. This part here, "Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this." is particularly telling, imo. The only adequate response to Datisi would be reads. Instead, they get mad about Datisi expecting any reads in the first place.

Why? Because they have no reads. Because they know who scum is, and because if you are Town and have 20 minutes to read through a game, your priority is finding scum, and if you are Scum and have 20 minutes to read through a game, your priority is making sure everyone thinks you are Town.

That's why there are so many posts in that 20 minute window.

That's why the posts are full of inane nonsense.

That's why 24 hours after entering the game properly, IV still had no real reads, and had instead spent what little time he had on the forums to try and endear himself to other players rather than read people's alignment.

IV is scum. I throw the book straight at his face and say good day.

VOTE: IV

From my perspective of scum!

CO

scenario,

MR

and him both was theatring when

iv

made them obvious elimination wagon, for getting the towncread which actually worked for

MR

.

So, only D1 basis, my voting order is:

Ari

>

CO

. I'm gonna re-read from page 51 now.

[Salsabil Faria]

I feel almost insulted you think a scum team with me on it would bungle a claim so badly.

The fake-claim will clear

CO

too if it’s clear you which leaves me to be the scum, but I'm not.

But, yes, I admit that scum!me could do the mistake as I don’t have that much of knowledge about roles/mechanism. But I happen to know about universal backup role and how it works:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913

I even asked mod in pm about the role in details:

Town Universal Backup inherits the role of the first town POWER role that dies, losing their UB ability in the process (although they still flip with that role along with their inherited role, as you can see).

So yes, scum!me could tell her all of this also.

[Salsabil Faria]

After lunch, I'll start from D2.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.

Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?

I do not think either of them have claimed that they have been mentally harmed by your actions in this game.

I also don't think your actions would lead to mental harm of anyone, I don't think any of your actions have crossed that particular line.

Expressing suspicion of people is just how the game is played.

Claiming that someone's suspicion of you has caused you serious mental harm is not.

like if the IC is going to townread my partner for "emotional response reasons" why would I spend like 10 posts telling him NO NO NO this is wrong?

votecount 1.14

T3 (5) :

Salsabil Faria ; Roden ; Aristeia ; Datsi ; Datisi

Exe-2

Innocentvillager (2) :

ChaosOmega ; Not_Mafia

MargotRosa (2) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph

ssbm_Kyouko (2) :

Dwlee99 ; T3

Not_Mafia (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1) :

MargotRosa

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-01 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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There is no reason why scum!iv doesn't vote for T3 in order to get t3 elimed over himself cuz yesterday was basically between t3/iv

putting T3 at E-1 is essentially hammering as NM is off the wagon.

I think Margot is obvtown since IV's reaction to her voting him was crazy

T3 makes the most sense imo as the bus vote on the initial IV wagon

This actually indicates scum!

Ari

's not likeness to buss + switching to

T3

later to use this as a defense.

I like my datsi/t3/IV solve

I think Margot/Datisi<3 are locktown atp.

1st read on D2

VOTE: chaos
i'm dying today aren't i

if your kneejerk reaction to being wagoned is to vote your last scum partner im going to be so disappointed

Her solve was

datsi

/

T3

but here she had

CO

as

T3

's possible scum partner?!!? Another thing, if

MR

's 1192 made her conftown to

Ari

, then

CO

's 1179 also should be considered as a townread at least to her??

UNVOTE:

Fine with the T3 lim here with what he's posted today. If T3 does flip scum, will need to go back through the game, my main assumption with the Ari read is T3 being town. I think datsi still makes sense as scum there, and 1270 has a weird overly defensive vibe, they were suspected but not being pushed.

From scum!

CO

pov: going for the easy miselim (

T3

) for pushing another miselim (

Ari

/

datsi

) later.

[Salsabil Faria]

After finishing D2, my POE remains same:

Ari

>

CO

D3 later, will go to mall now.

[Salsabil Faria]

Dwlee is a really weird kill

If

Ari

can't be scum because of

MR

's fake-claim blunder, then she should catch

Dwlee

's investigative crumb imo.

I think the way the T3/IV wagons played out at end of day now that we know it was T v S

the last 2 scum could just be Datsi/Salsa

The pushed on (mainly)

datsi

and on me (in a lesser extent) had started.

more likely that vig is one shot or odd night imo

no point to speculate vig identity

This post was for

Enchant

's 1354. Then when she was started to getting pressure, made this post:

also if i was scum i would have shot kyouko since she is a vig

VOTE: Aristeia

I feel like if T3 was scum, he would have jumped on the iv wagon for towncred. It's possible both of the big wagons at the end of D1 were on scum, but not super likely I think.

VOTE: Aristeia

Top 2 scum reads are Ari and datsi, but I think it's fairly unlikely they're the last 2 scum given their interactions so far. Ari's pivot from iv to T3 on 1117 is not a great look given the timing and wagon sizes at that point.

so T3 would've voted IV for towncred but me who spent most of my day talking about how IV is a scumbag using AtE to defend himself, I wouldn't vote him for towncred?

Do you actually read what you post before you post it?

VOTE: T3

T3 was on a vanity wagon by himself at the end of D1, you were on the leading counterwagon to iv, which we now know was on town. Do you think these are the same?

I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.

Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?

I do not think either of them have claimed that they have been mentally harmed by your actions in this game.

I also don't think your actions would lead to mental harm of anyone, I don't think any of your actions have crossed that particular line.

Expressing suspicion of people is just how the game is played.

Claiming that someone's suspicion of you has caused you serious mental harm is not.

like if the IC is going to townread my partner for "emotional response reasons" why would I spend like 10 posts telling him NO NO NO this is wrong?

Are you asking me why as scum you would say something to look like you're town? Your posting didn't sway him to iv, he voted T3 in 1087 after your spiel and you followed along right after in 1117 voting T3 as well.

I brought up this vote previously because it looks extremely suspicious. T3 and iv both had 3 votes, with you voting for iv. iv gained a vote from N_M and T3 lost a vote from Dwlee. You then move off of iv to T3, making them even again. It screams trying to kill wagon momentum on iv, and you stayed on T3 until the end of the day.

Ari

push had started.

I know Aristea and Margot had interactions with IV that make them both look not partnered. I feel like Datisi did too. The problem with that is it only leaves Salsa, and there are 2 scum left. Somewhere amongst those 3 there is scum theatre.

This post has point (3).

I have no reason to spend so many posts to tell Roden not to townbin IV when he thought IV was inno due to emotional manipulation if I am IV-partner

What is my reason to kill person who townread me strongly from D1 where I get eliminated all the time as any alignment?

are you seriously asking me why the scum shot the IC?

Since when

T3

was an ic??

?

i thought you were talking about roden

what does you voting for t3 have to do with anything?

Lol, your case on me based on

iv

and

T3

elimination

I want to point out this post where I felt a ping of contradiction (not sure if it's the correct word).

Ari, are you just ignoring my 1369 because no one seems to give a shit about it?

datsi, how likely do you think it is both remaining scum were on the iv wagon D1?

I’m thinking the T3 wagon was probably pure

Including Margot?

I already said I rethought that

VOTE: datsi

i feel the most confident about this slot flipping red

i think last one is probably salsa but that is less confident

If you reread eod1 - I think its quite clear Datsi approached it in a very agenda'd manner.

I'm beginning to think your push on me isn't in good faith, given you haven't reconsidered it once despite the flips, meanwhile in mini 2226 you were extremely tepid after Meg flipped town
VOTE: aristeia
I hadn't considered that meta point until I went to write this, I think it's actually pretty solid.

I saw that, just wanted to confirm your thoughts on Margot.

I feel like Aristea has an agenda right now - to push datsi because he was reading T3 and IV wagons as SvS. I also read them that way and I went back to reread end of D1 and don't see agenda in datsi's posting. It seems clear that he believes the wagons are SvS and is trying to sus that out, hence his 1195. For as confident as she claims to be the push feels limp - I'm not moved by "i feel the most confident about this slot flipping red," nor "kyouko you are just wrong."

I also don't think IV TMIed N_M town and the assertion he did felt like a bit of a cheap shot yesterday. Additionally, I don't like the comment she made on toDay's NK. Dwlee very obviously crumbed investigative yesterDay, so it isn't a weird kill at all. I feel like scum are often compelled to comment on the NK early in the day and 1346 looks like that kind of forced post scum makes. It doesn't really say anything. If anything it says "look I didn't notice the obvious PR soft so I wouldn't have killed him"

VOTE: Aristea

^And maybe in saying IV TMIed N_M as town, Aristea shows her own TMI

Ari

's response to the pressure is very bad, it's a lot so not going to quote it (from page 57 to 58). Now that we know

MR

had

iv

's role, I think she checked

ssbm

and found out the vig and didn't nk them because they (especially

Ari

) thought the vig has 1 shot ability and not danger for them.

if all you are looking at is the VC at end of day and not looking at how I shut down IV's emotional manipulation at every turn and talked our IC out of townbinning him for his bullshit emotional manipulation and ate then frankly you are just an incredibly lazy player and not doing even 5% of what you should be doing to help town win this game.

And your posting here isn't bullshit emotional manipulation and AtE?

Both you and datsi have bad progressions on iv D1, regardless of you claiming that saying those things and then ignoring iv and voting for the leading counterwagon apparently makes you town. Lim one, vig the other if the lim flips town.

CO

was still pushing scum!

Ari

idea.

In page 57,

Ari

vs

ssbm

happened. In page 58,

CO

,

ssbm

vs

Ari

happened.

because t3 spammed a bunch of nonsense in the thread which made me lose what little patience i had for his nonsense

Fair enough.

I still think we should be limming in datsi/Ari and vigging the other if the lim is town, but I don't think this conversation will be more productive if continued. I do feel slightly better about Ari from it.

Then this post has made.

whats my incentive to shut down IV's ate and not let the IC pocket him again?

why do i do that?

Well, I don’t think

Roden

actually started to townread both

Mew

and

iv

. They had very bad reactions and showed tantrums for

Roden

's scumread on them which made him frustrated. It wasn’t like

townread

townread fmpov.

I really don't know what you want from me. Fuck it, whatever, I'll just town lock you forever since I'm apparently an asshole if I don't.

^

this is from roden to IV

he was ready to throw IV into the townlock forever vault

look at that convo

im like the only person telling roden no no no

do you actually think it makes sense for me to do that as IV partner!??!?!

I really don't know what you want from me. Fuck it, whatever, I'll just town lock you forever since I'm apparently an asshole if I don't.

^

this is from roden to IV

This was a genuine frustration Roden was having that he expressed sarcastically - he was not actually intending to locktown IV

I really don't know what you want from me. Fuck it, whatever, I'll just town lock you forever since I'm apparently an asshole if I don't.

^

this is from roden to IV

This was a genuine frustration Roden was having that he expressed sarcastically - he was not actually intending to locktown IV

Maybe you should read the conversation I had with Roden

he was not being sarcastic

he was asking me how he could possibly scumread IV because of mental damage.

I really don't know what you want from me. Fuck it, whatever, I'll just town lock you forever since I'm apparently an asshole if I don't.

^

this is from roden to IV

This was a genuine frustration Roden was having that he expressed sarcastically - he was not actually intending to locktown IV

Exactly

the idea that roden was sarcastic about townbinning iv/mew for ate is the most insane thing i have ever read

no

that is not what happened

just read the posts omg

no

that is not what happened

just read the posts omg

When 2 different people tell you the same thing, maybe you should re-read?

no

we can ask roden in the postgame

i am 10000% convinced i am correct

if he was being sarcastic we would not even hae a conversation

Like, it's pretty clear that

Roden

was sarcastically or in a frustration stated the

townread

on

Mew

and

iv

. It's still surprising to me that she strongly thought

Roden

was serious and use that as a defense of why she can't be scum.

Spoiler: CO posts about Datsi

VOTE: datsi

I've re-read, but I still don't have a great bearing on things. Top scumreads are datsi, Dwlee, and iv. datsi's progression on Margot (from 203 to 267 to 269) reads weird, like you want to keep on Datisi's good side but didn't actually change the read at all. 289 also has a weird vibe, really just the "I am loathe to use it as the primary evidence for a push" part. The tone is weirdly cautious, and given the light push (492) and then defending the slot (711/714) later, it reads partner-y. The sequence 508/616/630/690/698, datsi drops the thread and doesn't mention Ari again, it doesn't read like datsi is trying to solve Ari's slot.

Dwlee, 66 gives them a reason not to be NK'd, a claim wasn't necessary there as part of the reaction test. It's already been commented on, but the early buddying with Datisi reads odd. It's so over the top to the point that it doesn't read as trying to pocket, but still odd. Speaking of lame reaction tests, they spend multiple posts on multiple people asking for opinions on Roden. Obviously a joke, but it's made in a way to look vaguely productive like they're doing a reaction test. 287 gives similar vibes to datsi's 269 earlier. If you think it makes him likelier to be scum, then push him and get something out of him, the hand-wringing here is weird.

Getting ready to eat dinner, will follow up on this later with iv.

I feel like if T3 was scum, he would have jumped on the iv wagon for towncred. It's possible both of the big wagons at the end of D1 were on scum, but not super likely I think.

VOTE: Aristeia

Top 2 scum reads are Ari and datsi, but I think it's fairly unlikely they're the last 2 scum given their interactions so far. Ari's pivot from iv to T3 on 1117 is not a great look given the timing and wagon sizes at that point.

@ChaosOmega

Actually given what you wrote about Datsi, why are you not up for killing Datsi today?

Scum!

Ari

was trying to put town!

CO

's attention towards

datsi

?

I never said I wasn't up for killing datsi today. I only have one vote and I wanted to dig into you a bit.

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure if massclaim today is the right play. The main role we expose is the vig, but claiming today prevents mafia from CC'ing, and we're on evens right now, one more shot before getting NK'd to put us to odds seems fine. With the 2 ICs, there's probably not a ton of town power hiding away. I'm fine either way, not sure what the optimal play here is.

Then

CO

backed out from

Ari

.

^Because Chaos is off wagon and is in the PoE. I dont think Datisi is scum but Chaos could be if I'm off-base.

Hmm (for me mainly)

Forget to mention earlier, throughout the D3,

Ari

defended

MR

very strongly (especially when

ssbm

was considering scum!

MR

scenario).

CO

also softly defended

MR

(me also ).

@ari, do you actually think salsa/gamma is likely?

i think datsi is likely

i am less sure about salsa

who else do you think is a viable gamma partner here?

if salsa flips town then either ChaosO or you

I will be so sad if you are mafia

i would never roll scum and break your heart, i am not like that >_>

ok you are conftown to me then <3

From scum!

Ari

pov: (after

datsi

miselim) Me >

CO

= win.
Again,

CO

wasn't active on the thread.

[Salsabil Faria]

Still at

Ari

>

CO

POE.
D4 tomorrow, going to sleep, good night.

[Salsabil Faria]

I know I'm town, so I'll sort the people who I think can be scum (+ I'm desperate! My town win rate is the worst).

Datisi

is out of the question for me but God forbid, IF HE IS THE FUCKING SCUM, then town already lost

But you guys can ask me questions you know.... ngl, it's feeling really weird when I'm considered as a conftown/locktown!

Btw,

Ari

's recent posts are making me to believe her, I've like a soft corner for AtE stuff. What do you think

@Enchant

,

@Datisi

?

Gonna start from D4 now btw...

[Salsabil Faria]

I suck sowwie :<

id guess salsa because she seemed to be trying to set up me/datsi dichotomy yesterday

beyond that im clueless

From scum!

Ari

pov, she started to go for the easy target (me). Her scum case on me and

datsi

was based on

iv

and

T3

elimination. After

iv

flipping red,

T3

flipped green, then

datsi

flipped green. IMO, town!

Ari

should have considered the partner interaction thing when 2 of her strong scumread back to back flipped green.

it's possible both scum were just inactive and did not submit a nightkill - which would point towards Salsa/Chaos as niether have any posts on the site overnight and Salsa was VLA.

I actually never saw scum forget to perform nk.

VOTE: Salsa

PoE is Salsa/Ari/Datisi. I think scum have to have been off the iv wagon D1 given that there was a viable town counterwagon and the last 2 votes to hammer iv were himself and the IC. ssbm is claimed vig with no cc, I can't imagine a universe where Margot is scum here, and Enchant is mod-confirmed.

Didn't like the sudden change. From D2,

Ari

was his strong scumread but

datsi

's flipping green didn't make her lockscum to him but vote me instead who literally didn't move her vote from

datsi

+ locktowned

MR

.

Then

MR

started to wagon me (page 66).

I'm spiritually voting salsa but I am also kind of worried in general and I want to give Datisi/Enchant the chance to actually participate.

Most probably scum!

Ari

tried to keep distance from

MR

.

Current PoE (in order):
Salsabil Faria
ChaosOmega
Aristeia
Datisi

Also a veeeeery outside chance that Ssbm is in contention. The only way I see this happening is if scum has a one-shot second night kill, deciding to use it n1, either in reaction to IV getting voted off and revealing that vigilante existed, or by bussing IV themselves. I can't remember who else was on the d1 IV wagon - will need to check.

I say this only because I'm worried about a weird lack of balance out of what we've seen revealed thus far. I'm trying to imagine what Scum must have to turn the tide in their favour, given that the only power role revealed for Scum shows them whether one slot is an IC, or whether it is a vig (assuming no multi-tasking), and Town has had 2 ICs, most likely a one-shot vigilante, and also some form of protection (whether a JK/doctor, or some protective item). Am I wrong in thinking this looks very unbalanced, and there must be something else going on that we're not seeing?

POE list from

MR

, it's mainly for

Enchant

/

Datisi

. I don't know how to find partner equation from scum's read-list/POE but saw some players can catch scum from it.

I get the feeling from rereading (reading Datisi in ISO on D1 with the mod) that Datisi's interactions with IV on D1 were the kind scum has with a dead weight partner. I feel like there are several posts that look to be saying "you'd better play this game or I'm going to bus you for towncred." Conversely, when I examine Margot and Aristeia, I feel like their suspicions of IV are much more natural and genuine. There is even a time where Datisi "shitposts" (his own words) complaining sarcastically about "why couldn't [IV] have been TRed after scum!me pushed him (as a buddy) in 2175?"

Like the theatre has gone so well that Datisi can't resist adding this. I feel like Datisi is the most likely IV partner at the table. As deadline of D1 approached, after the T3 wagon he was on stalled, he tried to start wagons on both Dwlee and me. I was voting Dwlee and Datisi joined me, then shortly after he swapped around and joined Datsi in voting me. It seems weird to go from voting with me on my vanity wagon so close to deadline to voting me with Gamma on Gamma's vanity wagon. If he was really looking for consolidation, I don't think joining a vanity wagon is the play. I feel like he was looking for alternatives to IV who could easily have become the default information elim for D1 due to the large focus on him D1.

I feel like the reason he ended up on IV in the first place is, his pushes on townies were not panning out. When he first voted IV it was just "this is always a good vote." Then he quickly swapped elsewhere (T3, if memory serves me), and only came back to IV after Dwlee started pushing him because "IV no post." Then, as the wagon died down, he expressed how he might have been wrong on IV, and his next act was to check in on Aristeia's readslist and ask why IV is at the bottom. From the outside, it seems like Aristeia would be by far the easiest townie at the table for scum!Datisi to pocket. It's not impossible they are S/S but it seems very unlikely.

I think Datisi was obviously rolefishing when he kept pushing me as hard as he did to explain my Datsi TR. From scum!his perspective, it would look like Datsi had FNed me, or like I had tracked Datsi to N_M and deduced he was the vig, or like I had copped Datsi (and for some reason decided to draw a lot of attention to myself to claim an inno lmao). I think town keeps their mouth shut in that situation and lets it ride another day, especially if they think it's possible I'm an alignment cop.

As for a possible Datisi partner, I am still working on it. Right now I would say Chaos, simply.because I'm removing Aristea and Margot from POE due to their conviction on IV. I actually arrived at Datisi's ISO because I strongly suspected Chaos, and was looking for his partner, but this feels more correct.

I also dont think Chaos would come in pushing Salsa if they are partnered, though I dont like the lack of mention of Chaos in IV's posts.

I'll still be examining everyone else as Datisi partners but Datisi/Chaos seems correct

I'll start here VOTE: Datisi

Salsa, if you're town, please learn from last time and unvote. Like Enchant was saying, you have a 50% shot at hitting scum today, assuming you're town. Dont throw it away.

im honestly very scared that kyouko is right

i would like to sheep what enchant/kyouko think because I know I can't trust myself to be objective about Datisi

I am not sure if I would be more hurt by this if Datisi was mafia or if he was town.

I am not going to vote for you because I can't do that to you and some part of me still thinks you are town.

I am town

If you are mafia there are 4 other townies who can vote for you.

its not my fault you are never around

i feel like the way you interacted with iv was ++town but you've fallen off so far since then.


you feel coasty in a weird way

like you will show up to complain about things after we stumble but you aren't invested in stopping us from stumbling.

even now you feel extremely reactive and its weird that your read on me would flip that much.

TBH, these posts from

Ari

's made me feel better about myself but at the same time, I think scum!

Ari

got overconfident that she can pocket

Datisi

and made this mistake or got scared that pocketing wasn't working.

More

Ari

vs

Datisi

on page 67 and 68. Then

Ari

,

MR

vs

Datisi

happened on page 69 and 70. Again

Ari

vs

Datisi

happened on page 70 and page 71. Me vs

Datisi

started on page 71.

In the meantime,

CO

appeared with this:

Still happy with my Salsa vote. Going back to Datisi's question on who makes sense for her partner, both Ari and Datisi fit, Ari because of Salsa's reasoning in 1654 where she's scrapping all her previous logic because of lack of confidence to pivot away from Ari, but still using the logic to make me her next target, and Datisi from his amount of defending Salsa's slot over datsi's slot given similar circumstances (I know this has been explained in 1643, but it doesn't mean this is the actual reason). Need to read back through previous days looking at Salsa's interactions with everyone.

More me vs

Datisi

on page 72. Now I can answer this:

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?

sorry, i have no clue what you're trying to say here or what you think this proves.

and what mistake am i making? cut the shit with revealing it post game.

What I meant was, as my playstyle is scummy in general, scum miseliminated me as an easy target without getting any pressure later when I was very new here. But now, I'm still an easy target but scum can't get off easily after eliminating me, especially from who knows my meta. So, at that point, I thought scum!you were trying to eliminate me by thinking you won't face any consequences as we played together in a few games many months before. But

ssbm

was still alive who knows my playstyle very well and that's why I told it'll be a mistake if scum!you pushed me as an easy target.

I feel like from the way things have gone since I posted my Datisi case we have good partner interactions to go off of.

Datisi really only makes sense with one player now I think, and that's Chaos. Everyone else is quick to jump on board when Datisi has what the hivemind seems to say is a bad reaction. That's the narrative everyone is pushing right now. "Datisi is scum because he's overreacted to Kyouko's 1 vote." This is either true or it's being perpetuated by scum.

The one (non-conftown) person who isn't pushing this narrative is Chaos, in fact he slides right over it and "gets back to datisi" on his question about Salsa partners. It feels a bit scripted, like Chaos was just playing his part, doing what he was "supposed to" - he clearly missed a tonal shift in the gamestate and I feel like this lack of awareness is scum!indicative. The way I see it we will branch one of two ways from a Chaos flip:

Town!Chaos: He was the only sensible partner to Datisi, so Datisi is soft cleared until a scum is found. If aristea is flipped and found to be scum, there's a possibility she and Datisi have theatred this game hard from D1 and Datisi comes back on the table. Otherwise he remains clear. Top suspects are Salsa and MR.

Scum!Chaos: Datisi has to go next due to the mutual lack of meaningful interactions between these slots, combined with what has transpired since my case was posted. If Datisi then flips town, Salsa is likely town from the Chaos push, and the last scum is in {Margot, Aristea}

I am concerned about what will happen tomorrow if Datisi is miseliminated as town. I would prefer to start at Chaos and go from there based on his alignment, especially after what's gone down in the past few pages.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

I feel like from the way things have gone since I posted my Datisi case we have good partner interactions to go off of.

Datisi really only makes sense with one player now I think, and that's Chaos. Everyone else is quick to jump on board when Datisi has what the hivemind seems to say is a bad reaction. That's the narrative everyone is pushing right now. "Datisi is scum because he's overreacted to Kyouko's 1 vote." This is either true or it's being perpetuated by scum.

The one (non-conftown) person who isn't pushing this narrative is Chaos, in fact he slides right over it and "gets back to datisi" on his question about Salsa partners. It feels a bit scripted, like Chaos was just playing his part, doing what he was "supposed to" - he clearly missed a tonal shift in the gamestate and I feel like this lack of awareness is scum!indicative. The way I see it we will branch one of two ways from a Chaos flip:

Town!Chaos: He was the only sensible partner to Datisi, so Datisi is soft cleared until a scum is found. If aristea is flipped and found to be scum, there's a possibility she and Datisi have theatred this game hard from D1 and Datisi comes back on the table. Otherwise he remains clear. Top suspects are Salsa and MR.

Scum!Chaos: Datisi has to go next due to the mutual lack of meaningful interactions between these slots, combined with what has transpired since my case was posted. If Datisi then flips town, Salsa is likely town from the Chaos push, and the last scum is in {Margot, Aristea}

I am concerned about what will happen tomorrow if Datisi is miseliminated as town. I would prefer to start at Chaos and go from there based on his alignment, especially after what's gone down in the past few pages.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

There was definitely a tonal shift, but why would that cause me to change my course? If anything, it locks in my choice on Salsa further, Ari/Datisi does not look like S/S from that interaction, I think Salsa is a likely partner to either, and given the extreme likelihood of scum off the iv wagon D1, Salsa makes a ton of sense.

Strike through is the part of the case that I don't vibe with the reasoning because of those arent lies, those are just estimations, but the WIM shown from examining timestamps like that is just obvtown imo. I know I never do that as scum, and very rarely will I do it as town.

Oh I'm glad I found this while examining Margot for crumbs.

If Chaos is town, Salsa is next - this loses only to Aristea/Datisi team.

Or Salsa/Datisi, or Margot with either Datisi or Ari. I don't really think Margot is scum, I'm ok banking on that one, but I don't get the confidence in assuming Salsa/Datisi is not a team, even with their recent interaction.

---

I'm VT.

Hmm...

MR

came and voted me, then

Datisi

later and after that

MR

vs

Datisi

happened on page 73 and 74.

I don't really get why I'm being scumread here. I have no reason to bus iv D1, I jump on early as a compromise and vote park him, I obviously didn't gain towncred from the way I did it. Scumreading T3 and jumping on his wagon would have been my play, I wouldn't have garnered suspicion and I'm not limming my PR teammate in the process.

I know my alignment so I'm biased, but this seems like a waste of a lim. With the way D1 played out, it is extremely likely scum were on the T3 counterwagon. I know it's impossible both scum bussed because the only unaccounted iv votes are me and Margot, but even from the outside it should seem extremely unlikely. We should be limming in the D1 T3 voters until scum is hit and reassess after.

If scum!you and

MR

want to create a theatre around your partner

iv

on D1 (by considering the way

iv

played), bussing will be the main way to gain towncred.

Scum!

CO

was trying to convince everyone (specially

Datisi

) to eliminate me and still townlocked

MR

at that point on page 75.

I am also getting feelings of Salsa/Chaos as I was writing my open question to all. Chaos being unwilling to engage anything other than "Salsa is scum" feels odd to me, and could be going for the F3 win over either Datisi or Aristea

What do you want me to engage? I think the last 2 are Salsa/Datisi or Salsa/Ari, leaning more towards Datisi as the 2nd with recent posting. I don't think Margot is scum, I'm not interested in considering her slot.

And if your plan is to lim Salsa when I flip town and you think there's a chance we're paired, why not vote her first? You'll get another day of me, and I'll be forced to engage with slots other than Salsa.

On page 76,

MR

fucked up with fake-claim or deliberately fucked-up to save the partner? Thinking about this post of

ssbm

's, she sometimes caught something which no one can:

I feel like it can be assumed that if Margot had waited for assistance in claiming, no matter who her partner was, he/she would have caught the error. Maybe Salsa doesn't catch it, idk. Not going to read too much into it because it is also possible Margot has slipped on purpose to make an experienced partner seem less likely to be partnered with Margot because he/she would have caught that mistake.

Town backup vigilante

I didn't want to mention it, because it makes scum's kills pretty much auto for the rest of the game, and it also means that if we suspected ssbm, I'm guaranteed to die the night we killed her, and would have just wasted the role

It's useless as soon as you have to claim it

That's exactly what I thought your role was. Can we please lim Salsa now?

Gives me bad vibes.

That's exactly what I thought your role was.

i'm sorry, how did you manage to work that out? was there a super obvious crumb i'm missing?

and uh. town backup vigilante. so there's already 3 confirmed towns in the game, two ic's and our vig. (i'm assuming 1-shot.) so you're telling me, once scum manages to do the mechanically correct play and kill the 1-shot vigilante, their reward is... town getting a full vigilante? who is practically another ic since they can confirm themselves once they shoot? and it's most likely gonna result in town getting an extra yeet (since two vig shots = 1 extra yeet)? *and* even if scum knows of the backup vig, and even if they kill them the night after they kill the og vig, they're still fucked because the vig will be able to get the shot off during that night anyway?

i dunno. if this mess is somehow balanced, then scum has a literal metric shit ton of power to counteract the town.

and worse, it still doesn't explain where tf the nightkill went. nobody here is something like bulletproof and sitting on this info for shits and giggles, right?

It just fits too well with the setup imo. Mafia IC/Vig finder, we have 2 ICs and 2 Vigs.

I have a theory about the missed NK, but I don't think it's helpful to discuss.

Defending

MR

's claim.

I have a theory about the missed NK, but I don't think it's helpful to discuss.

well, you're not outing any power roles, and it doesn't seem like we have much else to talk about now, so...?

something like bulletproof and sitting on this info for shits and giggles

I'm assuming this is claiming BP. This was my theory, although I assumed it was Enchant. This makes me lean back to Ari being scum if she did pick up that you were vig and tried to NK you and failed.

Hmm...

I think Margot's lying?

To confirm Margot, you said your role name is "Town Backup Vigilante"?

From scum!

CO

POV: when

MR

became confirmed scum, he switched the gear and buss her.

Also, I'm not aligned with Margot, I would have coached her on this if I was. Your partner either doesn't have a lot of experience as well or just let you down.

Margot's partner is almost definitely Ari, just go back through Ari's ISO and Ctrl+F "Margot".

gg, drive home safe.

Which indicates me to be her partner, but why did you take

Ari

's name in this

coached

case? It's clear that she clearly an experienced player than me...

@CO

?

[Salsabil Faria]

salsa, would scum!you be wasting all this effort when you heard me already say i'm never voting you, and ari/chaos are pretty locked on each other?

also no, i'm not impressed by ari's ate stuff. i know she's capable of ateing as scum.

also sorry for my absence x_x i fell asleep very early yesterday. it's the weekend though, so i'll get myself some popcorn later and try to figure out if i wanna keep on with my ari>chaos poe.

By considering my current mental + physical health state, scum!me would gave up already. But it's a hypothetical answer cause I don't know what scum!me would actually do. But I REALLY want to win this game! I have 4 scum games so far: from 1 replaced out, from the rest 3= 1 win and 2 lost. But I can't remember how many town games I've played so far and the loss rate as the town is freaking high!

[Salsabil Faria]

Nah. I am still pretty designated.

Meaning?

[Salsabil Faria]

Based on D4 only,

CO

makes more sense to scum then

Ari

imo. But from the overall catch up:

Scum!

Ari

gets 3 points
Scum!

CO

gets 1 point

So, I'll stick to this POE:

Ari

>

CO

.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod

, V/LA for 24 hours, not feeling well

[Salsabil Faria]

Did you consider Datisi?

Nah, I didn’t. After

MR

's flipping red,

Datisi

seems less likely to be the scum than

Ari

/

CO

fmpov. Though I had 2/3 things which I didn’t like from

Datisi

(mentioned these iirr) but not sure if it indicates scum!

Datisi

territory strongly. Do you've reasons for scum!

Datisi

? Please share cause I don’t want to do anymore analysis, I need rest.

[Salsabil Faria]

@CO

, I think I have a question (or 2) for you in my wall posts, can you answer please?

[Salsabil Faria]

At the bottom of 2093

[Salsabil Faria]

@Enchant

... 2150

[Salsabil Faria]

I just have a good feeling about Enchant.

[color=#0040400]Ha Ha Ha![/color]

VOTE: CO

[Salsabil Faria]

I just have a good feeling about Enchant.

Ha Ha Ha!

VOTE: CO

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

hm. salsa, what made you switch from ari to chaos?

2164

[Salsabil Faria]

Sigh

[Salsabil Faria]

I think Ari is almost definitely the last scum at this point, if you're dragging this out as scum, you're just slowrolling for no reason, Salsa's solving today has looked legit,

and I just have a good feeling about Enchant.

Enchant is aligned with the

Town

[Salsabil Faria]

[Salsabil Faria]

I thought he was serious?

[Salsabil Faria]

But I don’t have any problem with voting anyone between

Ari

or

CO

.

One last question, you're not scum, are you?

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: CO

If I vote,

Ari

maybe hammer herself, I'll vote tomorrow.

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok, I'm putting all the faith in you

If YOU ARE the scum then I'll quote the post every fucking game of us in future and DEATH TUNNEL you

[Salsabil Faria]

Done up to page 50...

@Mod

, how many days left?

(expired on 2021-11-04 15:43:06)

@Datisi

, how much time do you need? Won’t be active later (family time), want to vote now.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Ari

Done, right?

CO

doesn’t unvote iirr.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Enchant

, you do you think more likely to be scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

who do you*

[Salsabil Faria]

[Salsabil Faria]

Didn't realize this thread is opened (you need to send pm

@Mod

) but I'm busy rn, will be back later....

[Salsabil Faria]

I had only 2 bad vibes/pings from

Datisi

throughout the game:

@

ssbm

, re 1652:
I had an early ping from

Datisi

but not sure if I was seeing things right or it's scum indicative for him.

This post is reading way too deep into stuff

yes
almost as if it was made halfway through page 1 of the game
what's the point of this comment

i dislike salsa's 253. not always coming from scum (and there has been some stuff from salsa later on i liked) but the "you are scumreading both me and this person that i voted once in very early game?? in what universe can we possibly be scum together?!?" as if that vote actually meant anything or is any kind of anti-partner indicative lol

If the vote didn’t mean anything, they why did you vote

Mew

or a deep analysis of the vote? And later, you mostly probably said you were liking their reasoning behind it. So, you're reading them based on something that

actually meant nothing[/b] according to you?

MR

later said, it’s not SvS which I read that post later. I was surprised to see that she put both of us in the scum list which indicates scum!me and scum!

Mew

started the game by theatring which is ridiculous.

because i am aware that the "deep analysis" i make on page 1 about 2 posts is going to be meaningless soon. it's already meaningless now, i don't even remember what bullshit i said there. it's meant to get discussion going, but you can bet that once we're past the initial rvs stage, i'm not gonna be basing almost any of my read on mew on the analysis i made in 17.

later on, i said i liked his response. that's got nothing to do with his votes in the game, i thought his responses to my analysis and other people voting him were townie enough.

stop twisting my words. i didn't say that nothing mattered there, i said that your vote on mew will soon hold no significance whatsoever, or arguably already doesn't hold any significance whatsoever considering you're not even voting him anymore. so saying "me and mew cannot be scum because i voted him early game" is wrong and maybe purposefully ignorant. after thinking for 10 seconds, i can show you at least 2 games where scum entered the game theatering, probably more if i put any more brain into it.

and considering you're far from a newbie now, i'd expect you to know that scum very much can enter the game with throwaway votes on each other. so the fact that you're pretending that you voting mew somehow clears you from being partners is ridiculous, if not outright scummy.

If I try to see this from scum!

Datisi

perspective, then it could be this: I caught him with contradiction where he had to bring up the

scum theatre

notion to dismiss the argument (or to shut down me) by using aggressive tone. Then later, he posted this when I called him out of being unnecessary rude:

i wasn't trying to be rude towards you, i saw you (either purposefully or accidentally) misrepping me and i'm gonna react accordingly to that. i guess excuse me for not assuming good faith from a person i am suspicious of, in a game of mafia, where i know there are people that will not have good faith towards me?

the "i'm not that confident in doing theatre early so i wouldn't do it" seems like a maybe townie thing to say, unless salsa is pretty ballsy scum, and she doesn't strike me as such?

where scum!he can push me later with this

theatring

business, means holding an option for later.

But not sure, if this really happened the way I'm describing or I'm just stretching here.

@

Datisi

, your over reaction can point towards for scum!you also and even literally: conftown

ssbm

makes a case about scum!you ➤ some of the palyers are listening to the conftown ➤ the player whom scum!you can pocket so easily also reconsidering
➤ game is getting out of your hand ➤ thus the overreaction/nervousness/AtE whatever it is.

I'm contributing

Datisi

, I even proposed to vote myself out because clearly scum will take the benefit of the situation and it seems like they already started. I'm calling it: it's you and

CO

, the other two seems unlikely to be partnered with you.

Conftown

ssbm

's case shook you from inside, you're now desperately trying to scum prov

Ari

and not voting me (the easy target) so that everyone has dilemma inside and mean time, you can wifom your way out later.

Don't remember which player (they were in my early newbie game and an experienced player) but they said (not exactly like this) if you can't think of anything scummy about anyone, then they're likely to be scum.

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Datisi

Other than these 2 I don’t have nothing for scum!

Datisi

scenario.

From the analysis,

CO

is more scummy than

Datisi

.

[Salsabil Faria]

Biiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggg SIGH

Now that it’s proved that I'm bad and I can't trust

Datisi

anymore
Really don't know what to do atp

[Salsabil Faria]

ngl i was lowkey expecting to walk in here and see that salsa had already voted me, damn that other game lol

Yeah, keep mocking me

[Salsabil Faria]

Doesn’t matter to me Only because it's elo here, I'm not tunneling you now..... you really should feel relieved for that if you're town

[Salsabil Faria]

Will start to do iso-diving for considering scum!

Datisi

scenario after work who has 314 posts (me too ), so cool!

[Salsabil Faria]

Scum!

Datisi

fmpov

14: could be opportunistic vote from scum!

Datisi

.

17: setting up for

Mew

's miselimination?

30: role fishing?

55: role fishing? (2)

56: hmm...

58: could be early bussing

81: another early bussing to create distance?

82: hmm... (2)

98: hmm... (3)

109: could be pocketing attempt

118: hmm... (4)

133, 135: attempted to vote opportunistically? or tried to portray scum!him didn’t jump to vote

T3

here to show himself as town or white-knighting happened (talking about later posts, not going to quote all of these).

150: valid vote for everyone ig, can't possible for me to find alignment based on this

ssbm

vote atp.

210: hmm... (5)

213: again bussing from scum!

Datisi

after

Dwlee

pointing out.

215, 220: again white-knighting?

226: hmm... (6)

229: setting up for pushing

ssbm

later.

Done up to page 10 now....

hmm

means can be gone for both ways or others, so I'm pointing these out to consider after full catching up.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm busy today, will try to post tomorrow.... What is ego search btw?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod

, V/LA for 3/4 days due to travel purpose.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm back and I can see my tunnel buddy is here but I'll purposefully ignore them till my scum!

Datisi

analysis will finish, don't want to cloud my judgement with the biasness.

Analysis will start after brunch, I'm starving!

[Salsabil Faria]

Scum!

Datisi

scenario fmpov[/b]

252: setting up for pushing me and

datsi

together later?

256: Hmm

286: scum!him started to push me in subtle way

312: Hmm (2)

333: already said couple of times why I didn’t like this

346: setting up for pushing

T3

357, 379, 385, 388, 477, 616: scum!him tried to look like he is trying to solve the game

419: scum theatre

461: create distancing from the partner while pushing the other

553: bussing

iv

and setting up to push

Ari

later after

iv

's flip

589, 599: find something to push

ssbm

and trying to save

iv

594: Hmm (3)

600: TMI?

Done up to page 25 now...

[Salsabil Faria]

literally everyone was townlocking margot because she wrote an essay on why innocentvillager is scum or something

also if you're genuinely trying to tell me that town!datisi keeps it together... idk who you been talking to but it ain't me

oh right im the only one who knows their main so i know what tells to look for

but anyways im just gonna sheep kyouko in their in depth analysis so have fun if u are scum, game can be over already VOTE: Salsa :3

Oh you already vote me and prove

Datisi

is town! LMAO

VOTE: DkKoba

Thanks for saving my energy I'm hella tired and need much time to rest

It's up to you now

Datisi

, hope we win!

[Salsabil Faria]

Nah you still gotta prove you've been town the whole game to datisi :3
Cant case me i havent been here (; but yep

And you don't need to prove why you're town??

[Salsabil Faria]

What!! Me too!!!! So SHOCKING

[Salsabil Faria]

What trait?

[Salsabil Faria]

salsa, you like, idk
do whatever you feel is best
self towncase
scumcase omega
draw me something
idk surprise me

I already scumcase

CO

in my

who is more scummier between

Ari

/

CO

analysis....

About me: In scum!me,

MR

and

iv

scenario... I literally didn’t have to

dumb tell

about not knowing

Roden

is ic because this type of thing is taken as NAI mostly and most of the players played with me before, so scum!me should know dumb telling wouldn’t work for me for my usual scummy play style.

2nd thing is,

iv

elimination. It was clearly theatred. So

MR

theatred by hard pushing

iv

for the ultimate towncred, and scum!me deliberately didn’t want the towncred where I'll always be the suspect for my scummy play style no matter what alignment I'm in doesn’t make sense fmpov. It would be easier to go for the towncred and stay under radar. When scum!me knew

iv

will flip red and

T3

is town, how much

bad

I'll look... this thing

MR

should be considered specially when 1 scum was already gone + she played with me before.

You literally had 2nd thoughts about

MR

, scum!me and caught

iv

on D1. It would be a safe choice to nk you at N1 over an ic and scum!me could pocket

Roden

and push

ssbm

together when I convinced him that

ssbm

's

T3

push was in her scum range. Scum!me could use this against

ssbm

on D1 and stayed on her wagon even if it was a vanity but I stayed on

T3

(but truth is, I wanted to vote

iv

later but when mod gave us 1 more day, I thought no one end D1 at that time but they did eventually when I wasn’t online) which scum!me should no it won't look good even if scums manage to eliminate

T3

on D2 instead of me which make scum!me look worse.

Do you remember about

T3

's mind meld with me? I thought he was trying to pocket me (cause I cought him on D1 back to back in previous games) and let his scum-partners to push me which will help him to create distance from his partners after my flip + he was defending

iv

here on D1.

I really really thought

datsi

is scum and convinced by it and also thought he and

Ari

wasn’t on same alignment and that's why I didn’t move my vote from him. But his green flip literally made me to 2nd guess every read of mine and broke my confidence.

Now about

MR

's fake claim... Yes, I still not good with roles/mechanism but I know how 'universal backup' works as I saw this role in one of my previous games (most probably mentioned it here already). So when you and

CO

told that

back up vigilante

isn’t normal, it cleared to me that she was lying. Before the claim, I really considered her as an obvtown, thus tried to convince her that I'm town cause she played with town me before + no other was listening to me.

Here is my latest town and scum games:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87588

Here I had moderately good reads and had confidence.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88015

Here I had bad reads and less confidence.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87429

That's my latest scum game (and

CO

mentioned the previous one where I didn’t have to do anything).

[Salsabil Faria]

its probably easier to scumcase salsa in a way thats actually easily believable

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh thanks!
So

MR

is town?

this on the other hand is a scum pleading that they dont have to endgame

I'm a Jack of All Trades. I have 4 1-shot powers.
1-shot Vigilante
1-shot [unnamed protective role that stopped a kill on Enchant last Night]
2 more other 1-shot role(s) that I have not claimed

I realize I've already slipped I have at least 4 powers by outing that I thought it was possible that scum and town could each inherit 2 powers, so I may as well come out and say that yes I do have 4 powers

My comment was for this post, I wasn’t sure that time with vig and 2 ic, if one more TPR is possible.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not understanding this role thing but I also saw

universal backup

, not just

backup

in any of my games so far.

Btw, if

MR

flips red, the partner is likely

Ari

or

CO

here?

Datisi

seems unlikely.
If

MR

flips green, then

CO

is confscum?

UNVOTE: CO

VOTE: MR

Oh thanks!
So

MR

is town?

this is pretty much hard leaked fake progression exposed

this is someone who wants to look good but also wants to take an out

take an out

by knowing that no one convinced by my thoughts eventually?

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't have much knowledge about roles and mechanism

CO

but I've green role pm

oh! and a minor slip

we know why datisi

Oops! You caught me

[Salsabil Faria]

I linked my latest games here where you linked comparatively old ones to point out that my play style changes from those (like I tend to post less fluff now but it's totally depends on the mood and game state).

And proving me scum is not the toughest job in the world. But if you accuse me that I'm try harding here so I'm scum for that, the answer is a big NO. I used to try hard as town in some of my older games but stopped it after a few games because of tiresome and time consumption.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85772

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=85778

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86088

This are the games where I try hard as town.

[Salsabil Faria]

Yeah i know it isnt

Which is why youre going to explain for datisi :

What your read was on margot pre-vote for her and what your thoughts were when you voted her

I didn’t townread

MR

on D1 but townread

Datisi

. After

iv

's flip, I started to locktown both of them based on their push on

iv

and it’s continued. I'm saying it again that I was really convinced that

datsi

is one scum but when he flipped green, I literally didn’t have the ability to think/solve.
In 1654, I explained why I thought

CO

is most likely to be scum and still town locked

MR

and

Datisi

at that point. Then from page 73,

Datisi

vs

MR

happened and eventually lead the fake claim blunder from

MR

which made her obvscum.

In 1907,

ssbm

hinted that if any more backups claim were due except

MR

because of her own role: JOAT which she later explained that why she thought

MR

's claim can be true. As my expertise is not here, I definitely rely on the conftown here who knows roles stuffs thus asked the question on 1973 after

ssbm

's 1972 to understand if

MR

was lying or not. Then

CO

told

MR

's claim isn’t possible in normal games, so it confirmed that

MR

is the scum.

What your thoughts were on datisi and chaos' alignment going into this dayphase - why did you find chaos townier than datisi? You were very much showing hell bent force on limming him over my slot so saying you scumread us both will be a non answer.

Can you please show where I tell I'm scumreading

Datisi

over your slot in this day phase?
When you're cherry picking, you missed my analysis posts I can see now, where on D5, I analysis both

Ari

and your slot by saying that

I'm considering both of them are scums to find out after analysis is who is likely to be scum between them

,

Datisi

was still locktowned. At the end of the D5, conftown

Enchant

told me to consider scum!

Datisi

scenario if

Ari

flipped green. At the beginning of this day phase, in my 1st post (2224), I said

CO

is more scummy than

Datisi

from the analysis. Didn’t say for once that I'm scumreading both of you or

CO

is more townier than

Datisi

nor I was on hell bent force for eliminating

Datisi

, (I started scum!him analysis but you proved him as an obvtown so I didn’t need to finish it) it’s a blatant miss rep.

And my action to just vote salsa is just nigh on laughable from the perspective that im scum and you 2 are town because the gamestate i saw was very plainly easier to just vote you and let salsa mess up in the world im scum.
All in all - occams razor

Lol! When I said I find

CO

scummier than

Datisi

, how did I mess up by voting you?? You're going for the easy target by taking no risk, it doesn't require Galaxy brain game...

[Salsabil Faria]

honestly if u like pester me enough i might tryhard so i can be obvtown but lole

better idea is to force salsa to go through all their progression and explain it over the course of the game :3 its the ultimate test that all scum will fail

btw this still applies datisi i highly suggest this test, especially at the points I laid out.

also for any townreads they might have made preemptively etc.

a townie will always be able to show genuine thought and a scum will not especially once its limlo and you've been lying for 5 day phases straight.

Hmm... so when you vote me,

Datisi

was there and didn’t hammer which confirmed he is town... You want me to finish the scum!

Datisi

analysis when

it is confirmed

that he is town??

[Salsabil Faria]

i typed up a post here, where the fuck did it go, did i close the tab and not notice... ok typing up again

salsa does not because it feels to me like margot was genuinely trying to get her yeeted (and margot's post towards salsa is what made me go !!! in the first place so would be kinda sad if salsa was scum)

@datisi pls quote where this is because i will definitely find progression that proves is not the case

those were posts 1801 and 1803

today was another shite day, mostly due to errands and sleeping for only 4 hours because am stupid. however, tomorrow is a holiday here, which means i'm free for the whole day, which means i'm finally getting to this.

from what i skimmed, salsa, koba did ask you to elaborate on your progressions, which i do think would be useful for me. mostly because a lot of your play during d3/4 was a bit all over the place, so if you can walk me though what was going on through your head, that'd be great.

ok, gonna go catch up on sleep. cheers.

Yeah, I just answered what

DkKoba

asked, do you want to me to explain every votes from D3/D4?

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: chaos
i'm dying today aren't i

Bad vote

salsa is townreading my slot as of this post btw ^

Yes, because of his

iv

case on D1 and it was on D2. Why it makes me scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

when town salsa has a scumread she keeps that scumread hard and is reluctant to let go of it.

also you will note salsa did vote t3 and kept it there and margot was the hammer - this was a scum effort to rush that lim.

Thank you for saying this... Yes, it’s true. If I'm convinced about anyone being scum, I don’t change my vote which I did on D2 (with

T3

) and on D3 (with

datsi

).

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: Not this game related

@Datsis

,

@DkKoba

...
Can you join?

Slot 1:

Not_Mafia's Cop Killer (3 days left*)

1. Galron
   
2. Enchant
   
3. Pavowski
   
4. Almost50
   
5. mozamis
   
6. Bingle
   
7. LicketyQuickety
   
8. Guilty Lion
   
9. Salsabil Faria
   
10. DArby
    
11. 
    
12. 
    

*I won't pull games while the queue is empty, and I will give them a 3-day buffer if they are close to filling when another game enters the queue. Yes I'm making this up as I go along, but I don't want to discourage other people from signing up to mod.

[Salsabil Faria]

Occam's Razor (it’s the right term ig)... You need to read my iso, all the reasons were provided.

[Salsabil Faria]

your explainations for why you shifted your reads are all reactionary based on the gamestate which very much show that you cared more about how you perceived by the thread and not making your own genuine reads lol

That's the way I play! And for that people scumread me always and always being wrong... Not sure I can change it ever.

[Salsabil Faria]

no no no

explain it again

now.

why did you change your read from chaos town to chaos scum?

this is the test you cannot pass.

READ THE ISO

[Salsabil Faria]

Chaos literally buried MR before MR fully slipped


so why were they scum there to you?

Again, READ THE GAME...

CO

townlocked her till the fake claim not happened

[Salsabil Faria]

no it isn't the way you play

Really!?

[Salsabil Faria]

nope you gotta explain it!

how is CO scum after you were reading them town?

My reasonings are in my iso, I'm not going to spoon feeding you

[Salsabil Faria]

That's why you're so happy because

MR

's fake claim literally point towards me because everyone knows that I'm not good with this stuff So, congrats!

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm going now, if you have any more questions which I need to prove to

Datisi

, feel free to mention, I'll answer those in my free time.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm again saying, I explained all the reasoning already, I just don't want to prove it to you because you're scum, so no point! You on the other hand really don't want to try to read my iso because guess what! I'm your easy way out, you can't win against

Datisi

easily but can with me.... not a rocket science

[Salsabil Faria]

I feel like from the way things have gone since I posted my Datisi case we have good partner interactions to go off of.

Datisi really only makes sense with one player now I think, and that's Chaos. Everyone else is quick to jump on board when Datisi has what the hivemind seems to say is a bad reaction. That's the narrative everyone is pushing right now. "Datisi is scum because he's overreacted to Kyouko's 1 vote." This is either true or it's being perpetuated by scum.

The one (non-conftown) person who isn't pushing this narrative is Chaos, in fact he slides right over it and "gets back to datisi" on his question about Salsa partners. It feels a bit scripted, like Chaos was just playing his part, doing what he was "supposed to" - he clearly missed a tonal shift in the gamestate and I feel like this lack of awareness is scum!indicative. The way I see it we will branch one of two ways from a Chaos flip:

Town!Chaos: He was the only sensible partner to Datisi, so Datisi is soft cleared until a scum is found. If aristea is flipped and found to be scum, there's a possibility she and Datisi have theatred this game hard from D1 and Datisi comes back on the table. Otherwise he remains clear. Top suspects are Salsa and MR.

Scum!Chaos: Datisi has to go next due to the mutual lack of meaningful interactions between these slots, combined with what has transpired since my case was posted. If Datisi then flips town, Salsa is likely town from the Chaos push, and the last scum is in {Margot, Aristea}

I am concerned about what will happen tomorrow if Datisi is miseliminated as town. I would prefer to start at Chaos and go from there based on his alignment, especially after what's gone down in the past few pages.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

Shocking!

[Salsabil Faria]

You tried to use my town meta to prove I'm scum but when it’s not worked for you, you sheep

ssbm

's case to manipulate but she also made a scum case on your slot which is conveniently *wrong* now...

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not understanding this role thing but I also saw

universal backup

, not just

backup

in any of my games so far.

Btw, if

MR

flips red, the partner is likely

Ari

or

CO

here?

Datisi

seems unlikely.
If

MR

flips green, then

CO

is confscum?

UNVOTE: CO

VOTE: MR

Oh thanks!
So

MR

is town?

this is pretty much hard leaked fake progression exposed

this is someone who wants to look good but also wants to take an out

this is not a bad post

salsa, what was going through your head at this point?

I explained it here: 2237, 2338, 2370
Are these answered your question?

[Salsabil Faria]

The town!CO I saw is not similar here which I also can't talk about yet.

was this ever elaborated upon?

Yes, in on of my analysis: 2040

[Salsabil Faria]

Hmm, now I'm much more confused! Thanks

IF,

MR

vs

Datisi

is TvT, then the scum team is

Ari

/

CO

.

UNVOTE: MR

VOTE: CO

why did this post happen

It was when you vs

MR

going on before the fake claim scenario. After

datsi

flipped green, it really broke my solve radar + you said even if he flip green,

Ari

won't be confscum, so I choose

CO

over her.

[Salsabil Faria]

resuming the deadline

(expired on 2021-11-20 16:24:58)

sigh

okay, gonna go to bed, then tomorrow look at everything i said i was gonna look

while i'm gone, @salsa, could you talk about your read trajectory on chaos? i know you linked a post, but that post was kinda... uh weird, and it showed you having one scumread at the time there were two scum alive, so i'd love if you could revisit that please

I think I just explained it, can you point it out again?

I can't find partner associative thing yet (not good with this stuff), mostly sheep when my strong townread(s) find scum + their partner(s) at the same day phase.

[Salsabil Faria]

I was confused after

datsi

's flip, so I thought let's turn out something 180 degree which led me to

CO

over

Ari

. I didn’t townread her at that point, was sheeping your thought about her as you were one of my tonwlocks atm, voting

CO

was the out of the box approach.

[Salsabil Faria]

was there literally no other thought that "trying out soemthing else"? what did you learn from it?

At that time (after seeing

datsi

's flip I mean), yes. When I'm confused about something, either I keep flip flopping or go against/opposite direction to see what changes happen around it or for it. I'll say 1399 is what I was having in my mind from this but then

Ari

's flip teaches me not every obvious thing is

that kind of obvious

, hopefully I can apply it in future games.

[Salsabil Faria]

good morning

Good night from my side!

[Salsabil Faria]

note that salsa was able to put out a case on you and made it pretty big but as soon as i voted them - they deflated and couldn't find the energy to case me and went full defense mode.


like please datisi its so obvious

O my God! This becomes hilarious!

When you vote me, scum!

Datisi

was there and

literally could hammer to win!

Why on earth, when the situation confirmed

Datisi

's alignment, I'll waste my energy for scum casing him!!!

[Salsabil Faria]

IV no post

this was my idea for voting him the first time, ik he was around the site and i guessed he would've at least popped in as town

VOTE: innocentvillager

What do you mean? They're silent as scum?

oh look, another place where salsa seeks validation like with the margot thing when their partner is suspected.

fucking crazy how reality let me find something like this and i didnt even have to look hard.

Yet scum!me didn’t buss vote

iv

for what?? I know I'll never treat as conftown and by knowing that scum!me didn’t go for the towncred points out I'm stupid... is that what you're trying to say?? It was a theatre between

MR

and

iv

on D1 and they left me out of it or I didn’t join the theatre so that I got eliminate (always be a high chance for my scummy play style) later and

MR

will be one man army for winning??

[Salsabil Faria]

man for saying kyouko is confident scum she definitely isnt pushing kyouko so hard as town her does!!!


ugh

god its so obvious to me i hate this.

Oh! So town me didn’t change read?? It was early D1, you think I tunnel you so that means I'll tunnel everyone??

[Salsabil Faria]

So, scum didn’t kill???

Is this team (

Ari

/

CO

) possible? They happen to know many things but as towns, they shouldn’t?

bruh this dumbtell

THIS is how scum acts when they hit a BP and need to look like they dont know a BP exists or there was a save

why the fuck do you assume scum didnt try to kill

I dumbtell as town which you *should* know but you're not gonna remember this now

[Salsabil Faria]

wait nvm enchant didnt give reads on d1

DkKoba

's dumb telling is

town dumb telling

,

SF

's dumb telling is

scum dumb telling

.... where is the jUsTiCe

[Salsabil Faria]

but why is salsa not pushing back on enchant tho - after the no kill

salsa is treating enchant like a confirmed townie

I'll not answer this

[Salsabil Faria]

note that salsa was able to put out a case on you and made it pretty big but as soon as i voted them - they deflated and couldn't find the energy to case me and went full defense mode.


like please datisi its so obvious

O my God! This becomes hilarious!

When you vote me, scum!

Datisi

was there and

literally could hammer to win!

Why on earth, when the situation confirmed

Datisi

's alignment, I'll waste my energy for scum casing him!!!

nonononono
where is the scumcase on Chaos?

aren't you going to make one too

Keep dUmBtElLiNg

@Datisi

, I hope you can see what is happening here...

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IV no post

this was my idea for voting him the first time, ik he was around the site and i guessed he would've at least popped in as town

VOTE: innocentvillager

What do you mean? They're silent as scum?

oh look, another place where salsa seeks validation like with the margot thing when their partner is suspected.

fucking crazy how reality let me find something like this and i didnt even have to look hard.

Yet scum!me didn’t buss vote

iv

for what?? I know I'll never treat as conftown and by knowing that scum!me didn’t go for the towncred points out I'm stupid... is that what you're trying to say?? It was a theatre between

MR

and

iv

on D1 and they left me out of it or I didn’t join the theatre so that I got eliminate (always be a high chance for my scummy play style) later and

MR

will be one man army for winning??

my point is your intentions were to *save* IV.

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man for saying kyouko is confident scum she definitely isnt pushing kyouko so hard as town her does!!!


ugh

god its so obvious to me i hate this.

Oh! So town me didn’t change read?? It was early D1, you think I tunnel you so that means I'll tunnel everyone??

nonono town you actually votes and starts to nitpick everything your pet scumread does when you are town.

you do this to me when i am town with town you.

Ok, I'm saying this again for future games together...

I treated you differently, most probably will treat you differently

, that doesn’t mean I'll tunnel everyone only because I tunnel you! You're you,

ssbm

... 2 different people, 2 different treatment.

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man for saying kyouko is confident scum she definitely isnt pushing kyouko so hard as town her does!!!


ugh

god its so obvious to me i hate this.

Oh! So town me didn’t change read?? It was early D1, you think I tunnel you so that means I'll tunnel everyone??

nonono town you actually votes and starts to nitpick everything your pet scumread does when you are town.

you do this to me when i am town with town you.

Ok, I'm saying this again for future games together...

I treated you differently, most probably will treat you differently

, that doesn’t mean I'll tunnel everyone only because I tunnel you! You're you,

ssbm

is

ssbm

... 2 different people, 2 different treatment.

EBWOP

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but why is salsa not pushing back on enchant tho - after the no kill

salsa is treating enchant like a confirmed townie

I'll not answer this instead I'll @

Datisi

EBWOP

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resuming the deadline

(expired on 2021-11-20 16:24:58)

Reminding....

I'm at work, will response in free time.

Good luck

Datisi

and I'm town

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fam, i am acutely aware that the deadline is at 9:25pm central european time

i am just ignoring this game for now because it gives me anxiety and i am currently chilling with my coffee and i am not here thanks

You can send it to

Ari

while chilling

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VOTE: dkkoba

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GG guys!

@MargotRosa

,

@innocentvillager

..... we freaking win!!

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@Mod Gypyx

,

are you alright? You didn't respond in scum pt

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Hell no! If you're not there to guide me, we would be screwed

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That's what happens when i think Salsa is evil, but think i am just paranoid.

gg

But I'm not always evil

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Congrats scum. Apologies for replacing out, I broke my leg and wasn't able to provide any real attention to the game. Thank you for replacing me Koba, I think you made it closer to a town win than I would have.

O my God

CO

! Praying for your quick recovery

But yeah,

Dkkoba

's entry made me bang my head on the wall, they know myself more than me actually!

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regardless really proud of both of my scummates they both carried hard and even despite margot scumslipping salsa still carried us home lmao so thanks guys

After

MR

's elimination, I thought to be replaced out, didn’t sure I can do this. But then thought let's try it and magic happens

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gj scum

Thank you! Gg

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releasing PT's in (expired on 2021-11-23 03:22:51)

give us dead thread already smh

I want to see the dead thread too

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Btw, I hope I wasn’t out of line with anyone, I'm working on my short temper issue..

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Spoiler: Not this game related

@Datsis

,

@DkKoba

...
Can you join?

Slot 1:

Not_Mafia's Cop Killer (3 days left*)

1. Galron
   
2. Enchant
   
3. Pavowski
   
4. Almost50
   
5. mozamis
   
6. Bingle
   
7. LicketyQuickety
   
8. Guilty Lion
   
9. Salsabil Faria
   
10. DArby
    
11. 
    
12. 
    

*I won't pull games while the queue is empty, and I will give them a 3-day buffer if they are close to filling when another game enters the queue. Yes I'm making this up as I go along, but I don't want to discourage other people from signing up to mod.

Anyone is interested? 2 slots left now....

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sigh

<3

Thanks for modding

Gypyx

and also thanks for tolerating my tantrums in scum pt

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It’s not harsh, it’s actually true

I want to link it so that it can redirect into 2635, but I don’t know how

[Salsabil Faria]

I want to link it so that it can redirect into 2635, but I don’t know how

Solved

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Oh, salsa, honey

You’ve made a horrible mistake playing this way only after I had clarity on your alignment. You’d better keep a bullet saved for me every time you’re scum against me in the future because

I will figure you out

.

hi

sorry for my many mistakes <3

salsa played v well

Honestly, not rlly
Her tone was fucking disgusting D4, she openwolfed the shit out of that day phase

Do you take this lose as an insult because you lost against a LHF player (me)?? I actually don't understand what is this HATE coming from because I can't remember about showing hatred towards you.

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Margot, your only gate is Backup? You have unlimited shots once the Vigilante dies?

@MR, I think you can say you only have the back up power, as ssbm used the 1 shot, you can't have this. Otherwise, it'll overpower the town and others will suspect you for that.

ladies and gentelmen, your latest darwin awards nominee...

nah but like on all seriousness, i think i might try to make it mandatory in some way for peoples to educate themselves about normal games when playing in my games, it's like a real bummer for things to go that way

I still don’t get the whole thing... Can you explain it to me please?

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@DkKoba

, I want to know from

GE

the reason for his HATRED towards me (I quoted those because those give me STRONG HATE VIBE not the salty vibe for losing the game) because I'm unaware of this hatred.

I don’t remember claiming that my play here brings the win btw

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it's something where you simply have to know how *every single possible normal role* works, AND have experience in how 13p games are balanced. the way i arrived at margot being scum for the claim is:

- 13p games are generally balanced if there are about 3 confirmable townies in the game total.
- we had 2 innocent children, which are

always

confirmable and scum has no way of blocking them, meaning that that's already 2/3 confirmed townies covered.
- we also have a (

at least

) 1-shot vigilante, who is almost always confirmable.
- scum did have a vig/ic finder flip, but as that is only an investigative role, and is completely unable at stopping the vig/ic from finding, it's not enough scum power to significantly offset the town power.
- THEN we had something block the kill. 1 extra kill from the vigilante + 1 blocked kill from something = an extra yeet for town. which not only means that we have more power than above, it also means that the town power is able to grant the town an extra yeet, which is very strong.
- therefore we likely don't have any more town power, or we have some very very weak town power left.

margot claimed backup vigilante. if her backup vig claim is true:
- first of all, that makes her the 4th confirmable townie in the game. which is already unlikely.
- a backup vigilante becomes a full vigilante after a 1-shot vig dies. that means that town is "rewarded" if their 1-shot vig is killed, especially if they're killed early, which is

horrendous

game design, and any reviewer worth their salt would veto that game. scum getting punished for doing the mechanically correct play of shooting the 1-shot vig is not something that should ever pass review.
- and this makes it somewhat more likely that there will be multiple successful vig shots in the game. which means town is even more likely to be getting extra yeets, since 2 vig shots = 1 extra yeet.

therefore, either gypyx hates scum and wants them to suffer, or margot is lying.

i already explained how she botched claiming her abilities as a "backup vig".

Thanks a lot!

1 question though , if there is a 1 shot vig and 1 universal back up vig, what will happen after the original vig killed who used their 1 shot before dying?

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Love you

iv

<3 but I'm not a strong mafia player which I admits but I didn’t know till now that I've haters already

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there is a reason why i usually say that my iq drops in half when i'm town and i enter lylo, and this game is probably the prime example of that. koba deserved much better.

if there is a 1 shot vig and 1 universal back up vig, what will happen after the original vig killed who used their 1 shot before dying?

"universal backup vig" is not a normal role.

i'm 99% sure a backup vigilante would still become a full vigilante even if the 1-shot vig had already fired their shot, but this is something that i would ask the mod or the listmod about because i am not 100% sure.

yes

So, universal backup vig isn’t normal but universal backup *other role* possible in normal setup games? In mini 2216, there was Town Universal backup role:

Town Universal Backup inherits the role of the first town POWER role that dies, losing their UB ability in the process (although they still flip with that role along with their inherited role, as you can see).

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Oh, salsa, honey

You’ve made a horrible mistake playing this way only after I had clarity on your alignment. You’d better keep a bullet saved for me every time you’re scum against me in the future because

I will figure you out

.

hi

sorry for my many mistakes <3

salsa played v well

Honestly, not rlly
Her tone was fucking disgusting D4, she openwolfed the shit out of that day phase

Do you take this lose as an insult because you lost against a LHF player (me)?? I actually don't understand what is this HATE coming from because I can't remember about showing hatred towards you.

I just feel like you took my death as an open invitation to defy everything I townread you for and coast on a crusty-ass read I put out on Day 1.

Sorry, still don’t get it...

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Love you

iv

<3 but I'm not a strong mafia player which I admits but I didn’t know till now that I've haters already

Salsa I honestly think you played very well and I don't think you did anything that was questionable.

*sending you much love*

Love you toooooooooooooooooo <3 <3 <3

Are you Marci alt btw?

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Thank you so much!