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Well, you’re good Scum so if you’re getting wagoned D1, it’s probably incorrect.In post 744, Dwlee99 wrote:5 people think it's me. A different 5 think it's UD-
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If I identify one Scum today do I get a cookie?In post 754, Dwlee99 wrote:
Andres can I get a timeframe for when you're going to find scumIn post 752, Andresvmb wrote:
Well, you’re good Scum so if you’re getting wagoned D1, it’s probably incorrect.In post 744, Dwlee99 wrote:5 people think it's me. A different 5 think it's UD-
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Your POE is bad. But I can’t really object to being included, since I haven’t had the time to play all that much.In post 958, Retti wrote:I think my entire POE right now is T3/andres/Scorp/Gamma. I suddenly feel a lot better about a lot of people being towny after my first reads list.surely my overconfidence will not come back to haunt me-
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I’m trying! My problem is that I read too slow. I am trying to catch all of the small things and form a full image in my head and write notes and it just takes too long.In post 937, Natalya wrote:
I guess we can all sheep Andres when he's done catching a scum for usIn post 934, Andresvmb wrote:I’ll have a Scum in the next 5 hours.-
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This is the sort of stuff that pings me to be honest. T3 could very well be Scum (though frankly, how often do you see Scum question a Doctor claim?), but this just feels odd to me.In post 930, the worst wrote:T3 wagon remains all town go us-
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Also, my vote is based on the early part of the game, and what I think is just Scummy posting by Azaariah (particularly 211). But again, until I read everything, just take it with a grain of salt.-
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Yeah it happens. Deal with it. As much as I like to play Mafia, sometimes life gets in the way.In post 1122, fua wrote:In post 270, Andresvmb wrote:I’m back tonight btw.In post 521, Andresvmb wrote:Okay I really did expect to be back yesterday but I have some time now so I’ll be reading.In post 743, Andresvmb wrote:Have we actually found the Scum yet?
I am in the game! I just have not gotten around to posting much. It’s been hectic.In post 750, Andresvmb wrote:I am Town though. So just relax and let me read.In post 934, Andresvmb wrote:I’ll have a Scum in the next 5 hours.In post 960, Andresvmb wrote:
I’m trying! My problem is that I read too slow. I am trying to catch all of the small things and form a full image in my head and write notes and it just takes too long.In post 937, Natalya wrote:
I guess we can all sheep Andres when he's done catching a scum for usIn post 934, Andresvmb wrote:I’ll have a Scum in the next 5 hours.In post 962, Andresvmb wrote:Anyway, until I fully catch up, I’ll withhold a full solve. Not that it would be any good anyway.In post 1083, Andresvmb wrote:I’m back in a bit. I’m finally on vacation so I can read.
Bruh. Saying that you'll catch up and read is literally half of your entire ISO.In post 1118, Andresvmb wrote:Can you all not execute someone in like 2 seconds? I’ll try and actually effort today. I was waiting on the flips so I wouldn’t have to readjust my view of the game.-
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I did read most of the start. And I was trying to help. It’s not my fault I lost interest in trying super hard after you all executed someone yesterday extremely quickly. I had nothing to do with that debacle.In post 1127, fua wrote:You've had two entire weeks to form basic reads and your excuse is that life gets in the way? Sure.-
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This is basically a Scum claim.
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Look I tried going back and re-read this game and then I realized my motivation for this is totally shot since I am too far behind and not really interested. The other thing is I actually got to spend time with family over the holidays I hadn’t seen in 2 years because of the pandemic and so I haven’t really been all that invested in playing this game.-
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Because no one cares to defend them. Scum is what, one mis-execution away from winning and no one even has tried to defend Scorpious much? Does that seem likely to you?In post 1259, Dwlee99 wrote:Why is Scorpius town-
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You think they’re getting bussed here? Why? The game is so close to lost and the Town in such disarray, I find that totally unlikely. And we even proceeded to shoot ourselves further in the foot by running through D2 and totally ruining any chance of figuring out what the hell was happening.In post 1262, Dwlee99 wrote:Could be bus-
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Assume for a minute that Scorpious is Scum, I’m Scum too, and both fua and Galron are Town. What do you think I am most likely to do?In post 1264, Dwlee99 wrote:And now that you're defending him and I find you likely to have finally rolled red here...-
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I haven’t really played the game right, no one TRs me, I don’t have any influence, and I haven’t even finished reading every post. Do you think I would try and stick my neck out for a Partner on the brink, or do you think I’m more likely to try and continue the pattern so far of not saying much, laying low, and perhaps hope that a Town member screws up and votes amongst those that have votes out and are Town? I guess you won’t know for sure until after the game is over, but my guess is that I would have hard bussed and try and get some credibility by making some sort of credible argument against Scorpious.-
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Galron put a vote down with really flimsy logic and clearly doesn’t care. I think the majority of the Town left in this game don’t care. Galron fits that profile.In post 1267, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay so Fua is scum, why can't Galron be partnered
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There’s what 2 players in Natalya and Enchant that have publicly said that they would sheep you right? And I recall correctly, I put forth an argument that you were Town DW when you were facing some pressure. I’m such bad Scum that my only contribution to my Team is to diffuse an argument against a now confirmed Town? Well that’s some brilliant play.-
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Like this screams Scum on the verge of a victory.In post 1248, fua wrote:I'm town. Scorpious is blatant scum who's never managed to gain any real traction because everybody is giving him a free pass for his AtE floundering and OMGUS instead of him actually contributing new ideas to the field. Other two mafia are most likely within (Enchant/Andres/Galron).-
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Retti might actually be efforting too much for Scum but in that case, I would argue that their read of Scorpious is too based on tone. There’s not enough strategic thinking here. Scorpious could be Scum I suppose but where is the heated argument? Why are two players saying they will sheep you DW and everyone else alive is basically shading the slot? Are you telling me both Enchant and Natalya are Scum with Scorpious and they’re trying to avoid scrutiny? I guess that’s possible?-
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If this is the guy we’re listening to, then we’re surely going to lose. 2 of the Null have flipped Town or are Confirmed Town, and 2 of the Scum have flipped Town. Yet where is the reevaluation? Why such confidence that Scorpious is Scum? Fascinating isn’t it?In post 733, fua wrote:
Town:In post 715, Retti wrote:Forget that for a moment, fua can you tell me what your actual reads are right now? Just in a list, no reasoning.
Retti
Andante
Worst
Azaariah
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Oman
Dwlee
Natalya
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Scorpious
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Some of these are conditional, though. Bottom three isn’t a scumteam so much as ‘the three most likely to be scum’. Egix and Andres are unrankable because they aren’t actually in this game.-
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It’s also somewhat hilarious that the player they listed towards the top of the Town list is a player they voted for “information”.In post 973, fua wrote:Actually, on second thought, I feel like Azaariah’s flip will yield more information than T3’s even if I think they’re a little less likely to be scum.
VOTE: Azaariah
I feel like if they flip red, that makes Scorpious, Andres, and Gamma look a lot better than they do now. Worst case scenario this flip gives us a lot of insight into alignments through association and we get rid of a meat shield for scum to hide behind.
That’s E-1.
Anyway, I wouldn’t trust fua for shit is I guess what I’m saying.-
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Btw DW how often do you see Scum get voted up by two Town, and they vote outside of the wagon that has formed on them? Clearly what you do there is try and argue forcefully that one of the people voting you is Scum, and then if you get executed they get NK’ed anyway since they’ve basically cleared themselves. Why is Scorpious voting for Retti of all people?-
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Probably better than hard defending them and when they inevitably flip (which I’m almost sure they will here anyway) I go down immediately after.In post 1287, Retti wrote:
I mean the question is: do you actually think bussing scorpious now would actually give you any credit in a situation where you're scum with him, when other people have been beating the drum for him being scum for a much longer time, and are generally more townread than you?In post 1268, Andresvmb wrote:I haven’t really played the game right, no one TRs me, I don’t have any influence, and I haven’t even finished reading every post. Do you think I would try and stick my neck out for a Partner on the brink, or do you think I’m more likely to try and continue the pattern so far of not saying much, laying low, and perhaps hope that a Town member screws up and votes amongst those that have votes out and are Town? I guess you won’t know for sure until after the game is over, but my guess is that I would have hard bussed and try and get some credibility by making some sort of credible argument against Scorpious.-
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Yeah I mean not willing to commit to any Scum Reads when at the brink and people are asking for your contributions seems relatively silly, and not something Scum tend to do btw. This is the sort of thing people argue that I never understand. Hedging to leave your options open makes sense in the early part of the game - you don’t know how the game is going to shape up as Scum, the Town are trying to figure out what is what, and you’re better off keeping yourself open. Late in the game? Under severe stress? You’re much better off trying to bury one player and going down in flames if it doesn’t work. It’s far more likely to not result in your immediate death. And on top of that, Scorpious is totally failing to even point to one of two players currently on them? Nah, I’m not buying it. Seems totally idiotic. Even if they were bad Scum, the Team would be coaching them hard to argue forcefully against a player. Maybe even fua. Yet with 3 days to go, nothing. They’re defeated, and Scum in this position with so little information favoring Town is not likely to be acting defeated.
Anyway, this is my perception of the situation. I just want people to at least consider what could be happening here. I still very much expect Scorpious to get executed and we’ll see if the game doesn’t end right then and there.-
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They’re argument against me in the early part of today was a total discredit based on the fact that I posted several times that I would catch up and have not totally done it. But where are the highlights about me questioning the wagon on T3 (saying that I thought it was unlikely that Scum was questioning the Doctor claim), or defending DW? Nowhere right? That’s what’s called cherry-picking, and it was clearly done to sideline me when they can taste victory. Yeah I argued against Azaariah, which is what Andante did immediately after me with a long-ass post and a vote and they were obviously Town too. So we have all screwed up. But there was no balance there. It’s not like I haven’t posted at all. But they were happy to discredit me and not really try and consider my alignment. Interesting right?In post 1295, Retti wrote:Can you go into why you think fua is scummy beyond "posts sound bad"?-
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In any case, I am just throwing shit at the wall and seeing if my argument makes any sense. I fully expect to lose and I really don’t think I have really helped make this any sort of a fight. Even if for some reason we do not execute Scorpious and we actually vote for fua and they flip Scum, that still leaves a tremendous amount of work. I just don’t see how we get out of this situation. But again, I’m very interested in at least seeing some discussion. If I’m overruled so be it.-
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How wonderful is this? Who could you possibly argue looks good from the votes exactly? T3, Azaariah and UglyDuck are all Town and DW is Confirmed Town. The argument that Scorpious’ voting history is suspect reeks of bad faith to me.In post 1176, Natalya wrote:In post 968, GeorgeBailey wrote:T3(4) ~ Retti(101), the worst(81), fua(80), Dwlee99(162)
Dwlee99(4) ~ Oman(39), Natalya(88), Azaariah(38), T3(47)
Azaariah(4) ~ UglyDuck(31), Gamma Emerald(23), Andresvmb(18), Andante(142)
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