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VOTE: angela

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VOTE: kittytacky

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i thought maybe angela was mafia talking a lot but talkin with scorpius made me think different

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kitty mentioned that angela and scorpius cannot both be mafia n then says they r probably both town

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which one is it or do u already know they are both town

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n if u dont stuff about me just ask me questions

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what do you think of gera?

he hasn't said much so i cant say yet

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What about or convo made you think different?

it felt like two town trying to prove an honest case against each other maybe mafia does that but dont think so

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Isn't saying "cannot both be mafia" and "probably both town" the exact same thing?

no i saw it as he was saying one of them was mafia n one was town but then he said they r both town which makes me think he may have info on that

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Taking a reactive role and not doing any actual proactive solving is only going to get you read as scum,kinda like I'm leaning that way on you right now...

this is how i play i read n make my judgments n then i vote for mafia

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Why not try asking some questions to others and not just placing naked votes with atrocious reasoning?

my votes do the same thing as questions

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But where do you get your info from of you’re not proactively hunting.

i am hunting i read whats going on

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Also. How many games have you played? A ballpark is fine. You don’t have to be exact.

on this site maybe ten games in my life probably hundreds a lot of people dont like the way i play but its how i play

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Questions and votes are far from the same thing

votes n questions get responses so they r the same

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VOTE: geraintm

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i still think kitty could be mafia maybe but geraintm jumped on another wagon late n ur explanation is weird to me

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maybe u r right to be suspicious nero

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i think andres is probably town n maybe galron

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mainly just gut i read what malcolm said about him but i just think he is probably town

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i played with him several times n he is posting n acting the same as when he was town

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sorry i have to catch up there r a lot of pages

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i think most of the arguments that r happening r from town and mafia have just been sitting back n not rly doing much cuz they dont have to

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i still think angela scorpius andres n galron r probably town

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oh yeah probably nero too

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the more kitty talks about people suspecting him the more defensive he gets n the more suspicious i get

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n i never said kitty was contradicting himself

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Just do what I do and don't read them

i cant do that if i want to know whats going on n im tryin to figure out the game

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why? Ger makes an excellent point.. Why do you disagree?

i agree but do u feel those points can or do determine his alignment

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save the dragons do u want to ask me questions or do u just want to blind vote for me all day

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what's your read of me

so u do wanna ask me questions

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well u only been going after me which feels very mafia

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n everyone that i feel may be mafia or im kinda suspicious of u think r town or pull attn from

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geraintm malcolmtucker morning tweet kittytacky n notmafia

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ur tone sounds kinda the same as a game i played with u but ur actions feel different

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i feel pretty comfortable with my town group of andres angela scorpius nero galron n i dont think we should be voting scorpius

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didnt rly like the interaction with scorpius n pooky but i would probably still add pooky in the town group

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the rest i believe is where mafia is n i think that is where we need to vote

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morning tweet malcolmtucker geraintm save the dragons kittytacky notmafia

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am i supposed to not answer his stupid questions lol

ur answers didnt allow scorpius or anyone else to try to figure u out

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what is the point otherwise

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i read ur posts again kitty n y r u voting scorpius

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u said that scorpius n angela were probably town

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u had no real interaction with scorpius n now ur voting him

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534 makes no sense n then 537 makes even less sense

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i dont understand the interaction between u two

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scorpius y did u post 369 n y did u assume kitty would vote u

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u both never rly had a conversation

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Rathe who would you vote besides Gera?

i said in 722

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i said in 722

recent posts from malcolmtucker i think r good i would take him out of the vote for group

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save the dragons do u want to respond to 583 n 584 u asked me my read of u but didnt engage back

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why are you tring rathe is a better question

what is my mafia agenda

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my gut says rathe and my gut is usually better than my logical part of my brain anyway so i trust it

ur gut is wrong

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i am starting to think that i may have been wrong about scorpius

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that last exchange with angela was pretty head scratching scorpius do u have a lag when posting

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angela was answering ur questions but u kept asking

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maybe it is site issues i dont know but the conversation was pretty live n u werent responding

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so it makes it look like u have an agenda

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i missed it with pooky but like if you r having internet or site issues then k otherwise its very strange

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i would still rather vote within my list of possible mafia but its just strange scorpius

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my vote will change

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VOTE: save the dragons

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i think the notmafia votes r a bit strange cuz he was supposed to be a last resort

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is he rly more scummy than what we have seen so far from others

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dont ever think something cant be in the game of mafia thats how u lose

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if a claim is stupid n u dont think it can happen is when it actually happens

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there r four possibilities angela is lying scorpius is lying scorpius was blocked angela was blocked

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what r the most realistic outcomes

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for me it is either scorpius is lying or he was blocked

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i rly think angela is major town n if she is mafia she deserves to win

VOTE: save the dragons

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also the pooky kill seems like a scared kill not strategic

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yes maybe scorpius n malcolmtucker but i think more strategy would be to kill angela over pooky

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i dont think ur lying scorpius so its most likely u were blocked

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i trust my town group of angela andres scorpius malcolmtucker n galron

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if i count pooky and notmafia that is eight

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mafia probably has to be in kitty geraintm save the dragons andante n nero

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what do u think

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VOTE: scorpius

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Any unique reasoning here or just hopping on the wagon?

new information i dont hop on wagons just to be on there

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i dont try to figure out the setup n in this current scenario u r not looking good if both kitty n angela r town

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the other scenario is angela n kitty r mafia n making a good play but i dont believe that to be more likely than them just being town n u r the odd one out

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UNVOTE: scorpius

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i trust my town group of angela andres scorpius malcolmtucker n galron

What do you make of Andante attacking two of the players in your Town core?

that im probably wrong i unvoted cuz i have to read n try to make sense of everything

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there is a lot i kinda have to say n i dont rly know how to put it all into words
if it is all over the place then ask me n i will try to explain more i guess
i read everyones isos again n tried to read as if people r mafia n then town it was clearer for some n confusing for others

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but i will more than likely be voting for scorpius today n malcolmtucker next
i have to admit i was probably wrongly townreading mafia n scumreading town angela n andres doesnt change at all kitty is confirmed which is good

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i had nero as town before n then thought maybe mafia but only cuz of poe he has played different from a game i played with him when he was town but he mentioned this in 1678 n i can only take his word for it

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save the dragons thinks im mafia cuz he thought kitty was town n i went after kitty
i still think it was weird cuz other people went after kitty but yet he zeroed on me n then said it was gut i dont know how to feel about it cuz theres no way to defend against gut

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geraintm could be town if i read his posts alone n he feels more town if you read everything back with scorpius n malcolmtucker as mafia
i dont know about andante rly but it doesnt seem like she is the same alignment with malcolm n scorpius n the way they both interacted with her made me think they r mafia i like her posts n she is the main reason i did a rethink n reread
if they r partners i wouldnt know who the third person is but starting with scorpius seems like a good move

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galron seems like town to me but andante said there was a disconnect between galrons first post n second or third post n i dont think like that the tone sounds ok so if galron is mafia it is blind to me

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But isn't that kind of limiting? Excluding every other player except for scorpious and malcom as mafia, if you squint you can see geraintm town? 1) it seems limiting to base reads on two specific players being scum and 2) does that mean if you were to sub, say me for scorpious, geraintm is scum?

no i read everyones iso again n i read it like they were town n then like they were mafia n scorpius malcolm n save the dragons feel the most like they could be mafia

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I mean if you go back and read the game with two specific players already scum in your mind, it seems like you're doing something... wrong.

not what i did

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When you say you don't think like that the tone sounds ok (I think I got that right), are you talking about my tone or Andante's?

ur tone i base how i view people on their tone both personally n when they interact with other people n i havent felt that with ur tone if u r mafia then u know how to word very well

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n if ur town maybe mafia has come after u

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VOTE: scorpius

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Smart town should be like “well we have a claim, no counter, and their behavior isn’t scummy at all..

if u said u sent angela a message n she didnt receive it but she said she received kittys how can u call town dumb for coming to a logical conclusion

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even if angela was mafia y would she lie about receiving ur message i cant think of a scenario that mafia would do that

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y would they frame town when they can just kill them

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Because then everyone would know I was telling the truth.

it just doesnt make sense to me for mafia angela n kitty to frame u when they can go along with it n just kill u at night

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y would they frame town when they can just kill them

This is the dumbest question ever asked in a mafia game… like… ever

if ur town ur not thinking very well if ur mafia then it all makes sense

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Rathe,
Why do you think with all the talk about me being the lim, there are no votes?

its the weekend

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scorpius what message did u get from the moderator after you sent the message to angela

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So Scorpious being upset at them getting pressure and geraintm skating by after some of their contributions feels like Townie frustration. Instead of being frustrated by it, Scum would look to take advantage of that. It’s a different sort of feel to the posts.

frustration is not rly alignment indicative but give me a second id like for scorpius to answer my question

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scorpius what message did u get from the moderator after you sent the message to angela

surely they wont be able to answer this?

oh yeah r we not supposed to ask that sorry

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after thinking about it again the only two real scenarios i see is that either town mailman scorpius was jailkept by town jailkeeper or like kitty said mafia goon scorpius is posing as his partner who is the real mafia mailman

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if he was mafia mailman his message would have got through cuz his partner would not roleblock him

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angela has said she is not ascetic n is more than likely vengeful as she mentioned

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vengeful doesnt block roles and friendly neighbor doesnt either

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so if scorpius was not able to send his message it was cuz there is a town jailkeeper or he is lying

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as i said before i dont think he is lying i wanna hear what everyone has to say about this

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how likely do u think it is 1 v 2 n please try to think about it n not be bias cuz its scorpius

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so if scorpius was not able to send his message it was cuz there is a town jailkeeper or he is lying

Scum can have a JK too. I’m really unsure as to why this is where you’ve landed.

im going with the thought that a town jailkeeper would protect scorpius from the night kill if they thought he is town n yes it is possible that mafia use jailkeeper to keep him from sending the message but then y not just kill him

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thats another reason y i speculated that pooky was more of a fear kill

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im not trying to put doubt into the town but i also wanna make sure im rly thinking in the right way

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oh im sorry i thought u were implying the vengeful role

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scorpius what message did u get from the moderator after you sent the message to angela

Just confirmation of night action, nothing specific..

the reason i was asking is cuz the mod confirms whether the action was successful or not but nm we cant rly ask about mod action so sorry

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i guess dont mind me im thinking out loud i can be confusing sorry

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its y i dont say much cuz then i dont rly know how to explain what i mean

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VOTE: save the dragons

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i dont think jacksonvirgo is mafia it would make more sense for him to bus scorpius not heavily defend him the way he did

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i think we shouldnt even look that way

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oh i forgot jacksonvirgo hammered forget what i said

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u r right angela i thought someone else hammered

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so y defend him so heavy if u were just gonna vote him anyway

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also i am not good at understanding when massclaim is good or bad

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Quote redacted - player is not part of the game. - Greeting

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i assure u that i am town n im not unvoting cuz i think u r mafia

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i dont remember u posting walls as town when i played with u in other games

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n i havent played different than all my other town games

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so y defend him so heavy if u were just gonna vote him anyway

Got impatient, wanted to see the flip. I am not a fool, I knew they were going to be hammered by Nero might as well speed up the process. See if my logic was right (main reason I was impatient, got a little bit prideful).

i dont think this is a good explanation u defended him n in no world did it make sense to hammer him

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VOTE: malcolmtucker

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i am vanilla townie

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does everybody believe geraintm claim to be town

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i agree with 2755

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i dont think there is any other way to do it

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seven players with one mafia i know i am not mafia but u all do not know that

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i still consistently think angela n andres r town jacksonvirgo is town

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that leaves geraintm nero n malcolmtucker

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i believe malcolm has been trying to pocket me for most of the game n i think it was theatre between him and save the dragons

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i think there r ways to create worlds where all of us r mafia but i think it is just malcolm

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vote 2.11 in 2422 i believe tells the story

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if geraintm is town then all three mafia who were trying to save scorpius were on geraintm

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i rly think the game ends with malcolm

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oh i am rly sorry malcolm

VOTE: nero cain

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i dont rly know what is happening i rly thought malcolmtucker was mafia

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i dont know if nero is mafia i just know i am not

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UNVOTE: nero

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im confused so im just gonna wait for now

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jackson still bringing up angela as mafia is making me question myself

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while it would be ok if u vote me off since it doesn’t end the game id rather we vote out mafia to actually win the game

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would it make sense to no eliminate

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k nevermind tomorrow is elo n i guess i will trust andres to end the game

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VOTE: nerocain[/v]

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VOTE: nerocain[/v]

VOTE: nerocain

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VOTE: nerocain

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i didnt know u voted me until after i asked about no elim

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Rathe is the scum here.
Gg

ur wrong it wont be good game if andres votes me but at least u will have another shot

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n i was asking a question about no elimination cuz i am not good at that kind of strategy

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i wanted to know if it made sense or not

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@Rathe are you Town?

yes i am town but if nero is town then im lost

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k great happy u trusted me andres great close to a fun game

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this was a fun group thank u for having me