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I think it is obvious that if Guardian isn't scum (though I think he is scum) then batt must be scum. I can't see Adel being scum with anyone else.Battousai wrote:Ok, I'll lynch guardian on page 1
You wanna know the reason for the double wagon vote? To see how people would react. I didn't think it was scummy, though so I wasn't trying to see who would jump on me for being scummy.
Also, I haven't played with guardian, but I would think that L-2 on page 1 where both votes were random = pressure. That's just me though.
Concerning the scum pairs: I think it is pretty early to be calling them now. From the people that are active, the person I think is most likely scum is Adel (info after random vote).
Adel: What's your position on guardian-battscum pair, adel-batt scum pair, or the one where I'm not scum? Instead of sitting back and watch two people have a "scum fight."-
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So who can you see being scum with Guardian? Sensfan?
I think it is more likely that Adel is trying to distance from batt or Guardian than divert it from someone else.
Which side of the WIFOM curve do you think that batt is trying to stay upon?Battousai wrote:
Doesn't stating the above italic sentence negates your ability to formulate a hypothesis towards Jdodge's guilt based on the idea that Jdodge is now aware that you are looking for a certain reaction from him?Lord Gurgi wrote:JDodge is town. This is based on meta. It willadditionally be based upon his response to this statement.Let's see where it goes.-
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have you ever played with me or read one of the games I've played in before?SensFan wrote:
Is that a slip?Adel wrote:I can't see Adel being scum with anyone else.
(my guess is yes, which makes your posting seem like a transparently exploitative attempt, and really not up to the standard of play I'm expecting from this game. be a baller.)-
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Jdodge, from your perspective, did Guardian commit his scumtell yet?-
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I had a life yesterday, and missed the madness.
So all three people voting for Guardian called for a hammer, and you assumed that the one other person besides yourself who wasn't voting for Guardian was obviously scum with Guardian? Did it occur to you that random votes don't count as legitimate suspicion?SensFan wrote:
Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:
If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:
I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:
I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote:
Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...JDodge wrote:
Vote =/= call for the hammer; you yourself said that page 1 votes were pretty much meaningless.SensFan wrote:Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.
you aren't new to mafia. How often do 75% of townies randomly vote for the same person by page 2? (hint: never)SensFan wrote:
Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!JDodge wrote:
I've answered your question multiple times. You only showed suspicion after the fact, AND only showed enough suspicion to hammer onceSensFan wrote:
Now see, that's complete bullshit. Do I need to point out the (now 4) times I've said I found him scummy?JDodge wrote:You're scummy for hammering someone on a case you didn't believe in on the basis of pandering to the majority.
More to the point, stop avoiding the question. Why am I scummy for doing something you would have done, but waiting to make sure at least 1 other Town person agrees?you precieved that it was safe to do so, because a majority makeup of the town tomorrow agreed with you..
when posted on page 1 most certainly isn't the same as calling for a hammer. I think it is very interesting that you consider it to be the same as calling for a hammer.Adel wrote:Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
How many times can we mislynch before the town loses?
Your hammer is scummy as hell. I was really hoping that due to an intentional formatting error your hammer wouldn't count (a tactic I've used more than a couple of times) but you even erred on the side of caution by unvoting before you cast the hammer.-
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your hammer is scummy exactly because you took advantage of a situation.SensFan wrote:
I am not expecting you to hold my hand, and I don't think the condescending attitude was necessary, either. I am just saying that I don't see why I am being called scummy for not wanting to take advantage of a situation and hammer without a majority.JDodge wrote:SensFan wrote:Right. But doesn't the fact that I do that regardless of my alignment in general mean that it has nothing to do with my alignment in this game?Then give examples of this behaviour in the past if you think it will clear you. I am not here to hold your hand and guide you through something that you should know by now.
I guess you just aren't used to this level of play. Your transparent attempt to evade being held responsible for a hammer isn't going to work. A hammer by a genuine townie on page 2 would have some significant reason behind it, other than "the random bullshit of the random voting stage left him at lynch -1".
I'm certainly not going to allow an unjustified hammer on page 2 to fly in this or in any other game I ever play.-
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Note that you didn't answer who you could see being scum with Guardian. How could you hammer in a game where two mislynches=lose for the town without having a good idea about who his scum mate was.SensFan wrote:
I most certainly can't see myself as being Scum with anyone, which is the point I was making.Adel wrote:So who can you see being scum with Guardian? Sensfan?
I just don't think you are ignorant enough not to see that placing someone at lynch-1 is a good way to pressure potential scum and his partner into doing something truly scummy.-
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Why did you hammer on page 2?SensFan wrote:
I would think that looking for scumbuddies is far less important in a game where hitting either Scum wins the game.Adel wrote:
Note that you didn't answer who you could see being scum with Guardian. How could you hammer in a game where two mislynches=lose for the town without having a good idea about who his scum mate was.SensFan wrote:
I most certainly can't see myself as being Scum with anyone, which is the point I was making.Adel wrote:So who can you see being scum with Guardian? Sensfan?
I just don't think you are ignorant enough not to see that placing someone at lynch-1 is a good way to pressure potential scum and his partner into doing something truly scummy.
Is there anything in particular you expect me to say to the several times you imply I'm not very good at this game?-
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other question you chose not to answer:
1. So all three people voting for Guardian called for a hammer, and you assumed that the one other person besides yourself who wasn't voting for Guardian was obviously scum with Guardian?
2. Did it occur to you that random votes don't count as legitimate suspicion?
3. How many times can we mislynch before the town loses?-
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right before you posted
I postedSensFan wrote:Whatever.
Unvote, Vote: guardian
and then Jdodge postedAdel wrote:Jdodge, from your perspective, did Guardian commit his scumtell yet?
5. Why didn't you showJDodge wrote:
I honestly can barely remember what that tell was. Let me try and remember and I'll get back to you.Adel wrote:Jdodge, from your perspective, did Guardian commit his scumtell yet?anycuriousity about whether or not it applied to Guardian?
6. Why didn't you ask what it was?
7. Why didn't you ask if I thought it applied?-
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actions speak louder than words: you hammered.SensFan wrote:Adel, if you disagree with the hammer, shouldn't you also have issues with Gurgi and JDodge, who agree with the hammer?-
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What games have you completed?
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So I can read them and potentially build a meta case that either indites or clears you.SensFan wrote:
Seeing as its a fairly long list that would take me a few minutes to link and everything, can I ask why you are asking me for this?Adel wrote:What games have you completed?
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dude, you hammered on page 2.SensFan wrote:
That's bullshit. I am not sure about Gurgi, but JDodge has said several times that he would have hammered in my spot. If 3 people think Guardian should be hammered, why should I be more suspicious that the other two because I happened to not be voting him?Adel wrote:
actions speak louder than words: you hammered.SensFan wrote:Adel, if you disagree with the hammer, shouldn't you also have issues with Gurgi and JDodge, who agree with the hammer?
How many games have you read that had left the random stagebefore]/b] page 3?
Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means?-
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why did you chose to take this literally?Adel wrote:Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?-
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I am not ignoring what Jdodge has posted. I have a systematic approach towards mafia.SensFan wrote:
Are you ignoring that JDodge has said, since the fact, that he would have hammered?Adel wrote:
dude, you hammered on page 2.SensFan wrote:
That's bullshit. I am not sure about Gurgi, but JDodge has said several times that he would have hammered in my spot. If 3 people think Guardian should be hammered, why should I be more suspicious that the other two because I happened to not be voting him?Adel wrote:
actions speak louder than words: you hammered.SensFan wrote:Adel, if you disagree with the hammer, shouldn't you also have issues with Gurgi and JDodge, who agree with the hammer?
How many games have you read that had left the random stagebefore]/b] page 3?
Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means?
And pretty mucheverygame I play leaves the random stage by page 3...
Which post do you interpret as LG calling for a hammer?
How many hammers have you seen before page 3?-
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Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means?
why did you chose to take this literally?Adel wrote:Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?-
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Why should you be more suspicious? You actually hammered, and with almost 3k game posts you aren't a newbie who can get away with that as an excuse.SensFan wrote:
That's bullshit. I am not sure about Gurgi, but JDodge has said several times that he would have hammered in my spot. If 3 people think Guardian should be hammered, why should I be more suspicious that the other two because I happened to not be voting him?Adel wrote:
actions speak louder than words: you hammered.SensFan wrote:Adel, if you disagree with the hammer, shouldn't you also have issues with Gurgi and JDodge, who agree with the hammer?-
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Have you ever seen JDodge make early game posts that are full of hyperbole before?-
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Do you habitually take page 1 hyperbole literally?SensFan wrote:
Yes, I am very aware of the term.Adel wrote:Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means?
why did you chose to take this literally?Adel wrote:Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
I guess maybe it was a mistake to take it seriously/literally, but I felt that you wouldn't say that sort of thing unless you meant it.-
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division of labor time: could someone look through his post history (via his profile page) and identify any games that he left out?SensFan wrote:This should be all of my completed games. It does not include games in which I was replaced.
Newbie Games (Scum)
Newbie 613
Newbie 669
Newbie Games (Town)
Newbie 514
Newbie 550
Newbie 585
Newbie 586
Newbie 608
Newbie 638
Mini Games (Scum)
Mini 537
Mini 550
Mini 551
Mini 570
Mini 625
Mini Games (Town)
Mini 532
Mini 562
Mini 604
Mini 610
Mini 632
Mini 639
Mini 643
Large Games (Scum)
Realistic Mafia
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what was it about my
and LG's posts calling for a hammer that made you think they were both informative and serious?Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
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no, I'm more interested in the games you either chose to leave out, or accidently left off your list.SensFan wrote:
That would take a while. Would a screenshot of my Watched Topics (which contains all games I completed without being replaced) be good enough?Adel wrote:
division of labor time: could someone look through his post history (via his profile page) and identify any games that he left out?SensFan wrote:This should be all of my completed games. It does not include games in which I was replaced.
Newbie Games (Scum)
Newbie 613
Newbie 669
Newbie Games (Town)
Newbie 514
Newbie 550
Newbie 585
Newbie 586
Newbie 608
Newbie 638
Mini Games (Scum)
Mini 537
Mini 550
Mini 551
Mini 570
Mini 625
Mini Games (Town)
Mini 532
Mini 562
Mini 604
Mini 610
Mini 632
Mini 639
Mini 643
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could someone scan his games and check if JDodge was in any of them?SensFan wrote:
I don't believe I have ever seen JDodge play before.Adel wrote:Have you ever seen JDodge make early game posts that are full of hyperbole before?-
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please quote the posts that led you to believe that his bandwagon wasSensFan wrote:
The fact there was a legitimate bandwagon on him, ESPECIALLY in Gurgi's case when I had JUST said I didn't think I was ready to hammer yet.Adel wrote:what was it about my
and LG's posts calling for a hammer that made you think they were both informative and serious?Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
Feel free to quote LG to prove your point.legitimate.-
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I think that proves my point. Which games did you accidentally leave off?SensFan wrote:
Can I ask why you are so quick to assume I am lying about facts that are easily verifiable?Adel wrote:
could someone scan his games and check if JDodge was in any of them?SensFan wrote:
I don't believe I have ever seen JDodge play before.Adel wrote:Have you ever seen JDodge make early game posts that are full of hyperbole before?
Oh, and it looks (just by counting the WT threads and those I posted) that I might have accidentally ommited a game. I will look closer.-
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as scum -- you were scum in that game.SensFan wrote:Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.
what about Mini 537 http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6938 where you were scum and jdodge was town? At least you left that on your list. Jdodge's posts in that game include
on page 1Vote: ryan
QUICK, LET'S SEE HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET HIM TO POST HIS ROLE PM
and spent every other post in the first 3 pages trolling the fuck our of ryan.
Contribute or die.FairyThatIsPunk wrote: *FairyThatIsPunk is pretending to be in a glass box*-
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check, I skimmed and thought your role was "suicide bomber" and it said that you won, that meant that you were scum-aligned. good job on vigging successfully.-
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really? Just how odd does it seem? Do you think I am more likely to make a mistake like that when I am scum or town?SensFan wrote:
I most certainly was not. Seems VERY odd you would make a mistake like that...Adel wrote:
as scum -- you were scum in that game.SensFan wrote:Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.-
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Are you confident that you didn't leave any other games off of your list?SensFan wrote:Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.-
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pseudovote: SensFan
it would be an actual vote if it wasn't 3 to lynch with 2 scum alive in lynch-or-lose.-
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please respond to this post.Adel wrote:
please quote the posts that led you to believe that his bandwagon wasSensFan wrote:
The fact there was a legitimate bandwagon on him, ESPECIALLY in Gurgi's case when I had JUST said I didn't think I was ready to hammer yet.Adel wrote:what was it about my
and LG's posts calling for a hammer that made you think they were both informative and serious?Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
Feel free to quote LG to prove your point.legitimate.-
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also, from this list, can you point out the games where you attempted gambits?SensFan wrote:This should be all of my completed games. It does not include games in which I was replaced.
Newbie Games (Scum)
Newbie 613
Newbie 669
Newbie Games (Town)
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Newbie 550
Newbie 585
Newbie 586
Newbie 608
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Mini 550
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Mini 625
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Mini 604
Mini 610
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how many is "several"?SensFan wrote:
Don't feel like quoting, but the posts leading up to the hammer where both Gurgi and JDodge asked for a hammer. There was also the factAdel wrote:
please respond to this post.Adel wrote:
please quote the posts that led you to believe that his bandwagon wasSensFan wrote:
The fact there was a legitimate bandwagon on him, ESPECIALLY in Gurgi's case when I had JUST said I didn't think I was ready to hammer yet.Adel wrote:what was it about my
and LG's posts calling for a hammer that made you think they were both informative and serious?Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
Feel free to quote LG to prove your point.legitimate.several of the votes come for legitimate reasons, like his MOS idea.
What was it about LG's vote or my vote on Guardian that made you think they were serious and legitimate?-
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I think it is scummy how you placed emphasis on "VERY".SensFan wrote:
If it was an honest mistake, it has no bearing on your alignment. For someone who has been implying that I am Scum lying about my game history, though, it just seems odd/ironic that you even looked at the game and didn't see my alignment in the first post.Adel wrote:
really? Just how odd does it seem? Do you think I am more likely to make a mistake like that when I am scum or town?SensFan wrote:
I most certainly was not. Seems VERY odd you would make a mistake like that...Adel wrote:
as scum -- you were scum in that game.SensFan wrote:Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.-
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I'll get to the alignment related stuff later, but right now I'm pretty pissed that after starting off in one of those rare games free of newbies (together we average more than 4k game posts) a random wagon got someone I enjoy playing with lynched on page 2. It makes this game an example of everything that is wrong with mafia right now.Lord Gurgi wrote:Adel: Once you're done with this line of questioning, can you give us some information? I'm pretty bad at meta-reads based on reading, and only really trust what I get from playing with them. That said, I'd like to know what you're thinking.
As far as getting a meta read, here is one approach:
1. Open up all of his games in tabs, & place games as scum in one window, and games as town in another window. Try to actually sort them correctly.
2. Skim the first three or four pages of each game. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours, and skim them all again.
3. Sort each game to only display all posts by SensFan. Skim the first 20 or so posts from each of those games. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours and do it again.
4. Re-read the first few pages of this game.
5. Sort all of the posts by SensFan in this game.
by following this process you should get a pretty good idea if he is following his scum meta or his town meta in this game.
If you think he is scum, then you go through this thread and write down every claim he made about his playstyle and what he has or has not experienced, and dig for evidence from his body of work. Doing this before you have an informed opinion of his alignment is usually a bad idea, because if you look for anything hard enough you will find it, and it really sucks when you work really hard just to convince yourself that an innocent townie is scum. see the wikipedia article on confirmation bias.
I honestly won't have a very solid read on his alignment for a couple of days. I looked at his games just hard enough to ask the kind of questions that encouraged him to make statements that could hopefully be proven conclusively true or false, which should go a long way towards proving his alignment. Good scum-hunting requires a lot of research and disciplined thinking combined with fast manipulation of your opponents.-
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also, look for instances of hyperbole in the first couple of pages of his games, and take special notice if his reaction to it varies with his alignment.-
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It isn't the questions so much as your statements, which may or may not have been relevant to the questions. An explicit example of a premeditated lie would be pretty awesome, but is unlikely. "Spin" is more likely, and more difficult to evaluate.
Contextual differences in posting style (syntax, tone, ect..) is a more likely way to get a good evaluation of someone's alignment meta, but it is far harder to quantify. "Intuition" is what most often identifies these kind of player-specific tells... but it takes work and it can be difficult to filter out the inevitable false-positives.-
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That is the point behind sorting his games into town windows and scum windows. That controls for general shifts in playstyle against time.Lord Gurgi wrote:Not to be rude, but I really don't have the time to be doing this for multiple hours, in addition, do you not think that his meta could have changed over a long period of play? I know mine has changed dramatically since October.
If you don't have time to spend several hours building player specific metas, I don't think you have a chance of meeting your potential as a forum mafia player. This is a formatt that rewards hard work and diligence.-
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your time would be far better served trying to scumhunt if you are actually town, or OMGUS'g me if you are scum.SensFan wrote:
As someone who a) isn't used to this kind of metaing, and b) wants some sort of explanation, can you at least try to explain what you have asked/done in this game to try and get me to out myself?Adel wrote:It isn't the questions so much as your statements, which may or may not have been relevant to the questions. An explicit example of a premeditated lie would be pretty awesome, but is unlikely. "Spin" is more likely, and more difficult to evaluate.-
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1. lies, and lying habits that vary with alignment.
2. deconstruction (with an emphasis on semantics and syntax) of post styles to identify alignment-related habits and patterns in previous games.
For example, if you had declared (as town) that you never random vote, and you never have random voted as town, it would pretty damning if you've random voted in 3 or 4 games as scum since you random voted in this game. It wouldn't be lynch-worth evidence in isolation, but you did hammer without good reason on page 2 in this six player game.-
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my wiki contains all of my completed games in rough chronological order by completion date to make such work easier for other players.
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[quote="Battousai"]Adel: Do you plan on focusing on Sens, or will you be as "aggressive" with other players? Do you think me and sen are a scumpair? Did you think Guardian was scum near the lynch?/quote]
1. I will be aggressive with other players.
2. No telling at this point. As an exercise in intellectual honesty, please point out what evidence might lead a rational observer to think that you could be scum with SensFan.
3. No, I didn't have any reason to think he was scum. I was happy with pressure being applied to him because it would help illuminate his alignment.-
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there you go, you caught me. Obviously, overstating my faith in his alignment during a page-2 random wagon is Q.E.D. proof that I lied, and Lynch-All-Liars requires you to lynch me.Battousai wrote:
Just so everyone knows who I think is scum: Adel/LGAdel wrote:I think it is obvious that if Guardian isn't scumthen batt must be scum. I can't see Adel being scum with anyone else.(though I think he is scum)-
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also, why did you clip my answer?Battousai wrote: 3.You didn't think he was scum?
Just so everyone knows who I think is scum: Adel/LGAdel wrote:I think it is obvious that if Guardian isn't scumthen batt must be scum. I can't see Adel being scum with anyone else.(though I think he is scum)
so you paraphrased my reply to make it seem like I was lying, on the very same page I posted it on? What kind of half-assed mafia players are you used to playing with? Do you normally get away with that kind of crap.Adel wrote:3. No, I didn't have any reason to think he was scum. I was happy with pressure being applied to him because it would help illuminate his alignment
Why haven't you complied with LG's request that you post links to all of your games?
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Then why in the fuck did you hammer on page 2?SensFan wrote:
Sorry to invade on your elitist party, but can I ask that you at least respect the skill that Gurgi, Batt, and I have. I'm sorry that we're apparently not as good as the people you're used to playing with, but I would like to think we're all competent players.Adel wrote:JDodge: has this level of play become standard? I took a couple of months off before this game because outside of the minivitational it seemed like the nominal skill level was approaching functional retardation. Shouldn't I have bothered coming back?-
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He did declare, as town, that he never random votes.Adel wrote:For example, if you had declared (as town) that you never random vote, and you never have random voted as town, it would pretty damning if you've random voted in 3 or 4 games as scum since you random voted in this game. It wouldn't be lynch-worth evidence in isolation, but you did hammer without good reason on page 2 in this six player game.-
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Yes, Jodge is almost always full of hyperbole on day 1, pushing for an early lynch. Battlemage does dumb shit like fake-claiming cop with a guilty on a player (who happened to be a cop)... Relative experience or inexperience has nothing to do with it -- I figure that all players with 1000 or more game posts are probably going to be about on the same level.
What I don't like is players not taking the game seriously, and posting idiotic crap like "Whatever, vote:Guardian" on page two to lynch.
So either SensFan is an idiot who doesn't take the game seriously, or he is a decent player who is used to taking advantage of an environment where the level of play is crap. Looking through his other games, he isn't an idiot, so I conclude that I have enough confidence that he is scum.
I'm not willing to place several more hours into this game. Either SensFan is scum or I have no business playing mafia anymore.-
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for pressure, and to observe how Guardian responded to a bullshit random wagon, and (more importantly) to see how other players responded to there being a bullshit random wagon. SensFan thought he could go along with the bullshit random wagon.Lord Gurgi wrote:
Fixed. A bit angry, and a bit rushed.Lord Gurgi wrote:A page two hammer happened. You were on that wagon. You were pushing for the lynch, serious or not. And now you have a problem with it? I have always said that if you aren't ready for a wagon to go to lynch, get the freak off it. Why are are you not subject to this?
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Which he is using, as your scumpartner, to deflect attention away from you, and to undermine your wagon.SensFan wrote:Adel wrote:vote: SensFan
I'm done with this.Vote: Adel
Maybe you are being too elitist or thick to notice it, but JDodge, your fellow awesome, way-better-than-the-rest-of-us-complete-newbs, scumpartner HAS OPENLY SAID HE WOULD HAMMER ON PAGE TWO IF HE COULD HAVE.-
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Yes, you totally do. I didn't bother to check that one, since it was the last one, and I was out of patience... besides my case against you really depends upon:SensFan wrote:Hey Adel. Mini 643, Time Capsule Mafia. My most recently-completed game as Town.
I RANDOM-VOTED!
Do I need to dig up more examples?
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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8464 link to that game.SensFan wrote:Mini 604, ooba Mafia. I "random"-voted. I was Town.
Note that I never actually vote randomly, I vote arbitrarily; which is exactly the misrep Adel is trying to use on me.-
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I opened a ton of pages, scanned them, and then later I got pissy and dropped an under-developed argument prematurely.