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naughty point fory you.In post 29, Vivax wrote:Gettin scum feels from George Bayleys series of posts as entrance.
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your reasons are very loose. It feels performative.In post 39, Vivax wrote:
He deliberately split the posts (or in other words, spammed), that looks to me like he tried too hard to appear casual during his joke entrance.In post 36, Alexcellent wrote:
May I enquire what gives you the scummy vibes? Also why not vote for George?In post 29, Vivax wrote:Gettin scum feels from George Bayleys series of posts as entrance.
Leaving it at that.
I'm not willing to vote just for that early in the game. We've got time, and instant majority lynch.
also, the L word is not allowed on this forum.-
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In post 58, clidd wrote:There is one player in particular that I'd consider voting for but the reason is so moonlogic that the chance of the read being right would be as accurate as voting randomly, so not helpful at all.
Anyways, I have two questions:
@Gibus
Why did you vote Crescent if you said that your vote was ''bad''?
@Geraint
Which part of the description of why Vivax was voting George struck you as performative? why?
pedit: Yep
because no one can get a good read on anyone day 1, and certainly not by post 40. shouting to the world you find someone scummy so early on just feels like getting something out there so you can show people later you had a read on themIn post 40, geraintm wrote:
your reasons are very loose. It feels performative.In post 39, Vivax wrote:
He deliberately split the posts (or in other words, spammed), that looks to me like he tried too hard to appear casual during his joke entrance.In post 36, Alexcellent wrote:
May I enquire what gives you the scummy vibes? Also why not vote for George?In post 29, Vivax wrote:Gettin scum feels from George Bayleys series of posts as entrance.
Leaving it at that.
I'm not willing to vote just for that early in the game. We've got time, and instant majority lynch.
also, the L word is not allowed on this forum.-
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you need to chill. differences in play schedules (liek, if this game had properly started getting going on a weekend i would not have been able to post much) or time zones (i'm in the UK and post mainly 9am-4pm and i can often post early in the day and no one reply to me, and then have to catch up with 5 pages over night - it makes my posting history in games look weird).In post 63, Crescent wrote:
We had one replace day 1 and two replaces early day 2 last game... All were town, and all were members of the hood. It was somehow a scum neighbor with 3 inactive town neighbors.In post 61, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean genuinely sometimes it's best to cut the weak links early when we can afford it like lurkers and such. And usually the person who posts last was either busy IRL or (90% of the time) is a player who doesn't contribute as much. But a general low poster after 10ish real days will do.
I am not against murdering someone who doesn't postat allif for some reason they're not being replaced, but I did town read day 1's lowest poster last game and was against voting for them. He came off as (and was) completely clueless town who was way out of his depth.
I consider it a really bad sign that a 2 day old game is already talking about inactive hunting. This doesn't feel like a discussion that has a place this early in a day.
i only get interested in lurkers if they are avoiding this game but posting elsewhere-
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it wasnt a read, it was me just saying i didn't like what someone else was doing. i'd given someone else a naughty point too, i just like to try and keep arecord of when people do something that makes me sit up, so i can note them for later. if they d a bunch of weird stuff....it can mean somethingIn post 67, clidd wrote:Right, I'm waiting for you Gera.
VOTE: geraintm
I'm curious how you notice something is performative so early in the game.
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games over boys, we can all go home. sherlock here has solved it.....In post 81, Alexcellent wrote:
Scum is in here somewhereIn post 75, Umlaut wrote:Not voting (7): geraintm, GoldfishFromTheMoon, Vivax, Elsa Jay, Eiralox, Crescent, Corwinoid-
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In post 110, Eiralox wrote:In post 58, clidd wrote:There is one player in particular that I'd consider voting for but the reason is so moonlogic that the chance of the read being right would be as accurate as voting randomly, so not helpful at all.
Anyways, I have two questions:
@Geraint
Which part of the description of why Vivax was voting George struck you as performative? why?
@Geraint --- u are yet to answer this question.
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VOTE: cliddIn post 56, clidd wrote:The rest of the discussion that goes on didn't suggest much in the AI sense. Feels like almost everyone who posted so far is literally dancing in null variations tbh.
I need to read more to be able to infer something more expressive, which implies the need for more posts, interactions and etc.-
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Well, you would....In post 118, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
Whats wrong with that post? I thought it made sense.In post 116, geraintm wrote:
VOTE: cliddIn post 56, clidd wrote:The rest of the discussion that goes on didn't suggest much in the AI sense. Feels like almost everyone who posted so far is literally dancing in null variations tbh.
I need to read more to be able to infer something more expressive, which implies the need for more posts, interactions and etc.
I'm going to have fun with this-
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You get a naughty point for defending meIn post 122, Eiralox wrote:
it contributes nothing and draws no one out, basically stating the intent to lurk until others do the work yet in a flowery and overly-convulated manner.In post 118, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
Whats wrong with that post? I thought it made sense.In post 116, geraintm wrote:
VOTE: cliddIn post 56, clidd wrote:The rest of the discussion that goes on didn't suggest much in the AI sense. Feels like almost everyone who posted so far is literally dancing in null variations tbh.
I need to read more to be able to infer something more expressive, which implies the need for more posts, interactions and etc.
That said, @geraintm has offered no qualifier to the vote, other than the fact that @clidd has voted fro them(which they did not explicitly state). Their reply to @clidd's vote in itself was a defense of their method, so where does the decision to vote clidd come in? Is the above post decisive enough a motivation?-
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it felt like you were coming up with a reason for my vote, when there wasnt one. so i gave you anaughty point because it felt like you were trying to buddy up to me for some reasonIn post 132, Eiralox wrote:
that's funny i don't see it that way, my post reads pretty neutral? thinking ur just fishing for shade to throw atm lol.In post 128, geraintm wrote:
You get a naughty point for defending meIn post 122, Eiralox wrote:
it contributes nothing and draws no one out, basically stating the intent to lurk until others do the work yet in a flowery and overly-convulated manner.In post 118, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
Whats wrong with that post? I thought it made sense.In post 116, geraintm wrote:
VOTE: cliddIn post 56, clidd wrote:The rest of the discussion that goes on didn't suggest much in the AI sense. Feels like almost everyone who posted so far is literally dancing in null variations tbh.
I need to read more to be able to infer something more expressive, which implies the need for more posts, interactions and etc.
That said, @geraintm has offered no qualifier to the vote, other than the fact that @clidd has voted fro them(which they did not explicitly state). Their reply to @clidd's vote in itself was a defense of their method, so where does the decision to vote clidd come in? Is the above post decisive enough a motivation?-
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my vote for clidd was purely randomIn post 135, Eiralox wrote:
"@geraintm has offered no qualifier to the vote, other than the fact that @clidd has voted fro them(which they did not explicitly state). "In post 134, geraintm wrote: it felt like you were coming up with a reason for my vote, when there wasnt one. so i gave you anaughty point because it felt like you were trying to buddy up to me for some reason
again, i explicitly state that you offered no reason for your vote. my analysis of clidd's post is wholly on me, and even if it is my inferred interpretation of why you quoted it, it was pretty clear that Goldfish and I had no idea as to why you voted.
So after the vote you rejoin me with one-liners, Goldfish you answer with an insinuation and the non-sequitur of 'having fun'.
So we're some way into this, Clidd votes for u, u vote for Clidd, and your entire motivation is that you have no reason, after quoting a specific post, again for nos specific reason other than replying to Goldfish as you did. Instead of weighing in on Alex/Elsa wagons you go an tangent with clidd and an eventual vote which you state has no meaning, after which you throw some very flimsy shade on me and to a lesser extent Goldfish.
I don't see where you're going with this, there's scummier activity than Clidd's atm tbh-
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I don't know what the colours/order means. Am I thr most scummy or keast scummy in yout list?In post 140, Eiralox wrote:not enough input for me to form reads, scummish until otherwise for this simple reason:
(these aren't straight scumreads, merely input on less actives/actionables)
ISO Not_mAfia:100 per centum Trolly, stated as normal by others.
ISO Corwinoid:no input other than one nowhere-going question, their intent to hang back and observe before hard reads might be innocent and sincere, i know i'm never satisfied with my reads day one. State that they are busy.
ISO GeorgeBailey:more input, soft-read less scummy than others here. votes Goldfish, changes vote Alex after they vote Elsa "This is a very awkward progression. Why are you voting Elsa for trying to curb the low activity?"
ISO Crescentway more active than others, more prolific poster than me. yet so much of it is what they did previous games, another third a meta-analysis of what they're likely to do, and the rest very soft reads with little confrontational evidence-seeking, the only asked questions are a bit watery and don't seem in the inquisitive spirit. Has yet to vote. Here because despite all the content I can't find anything for a read, seems as they're dipping their toes in the water. only def non-referential input i could find:
"One thing I will add is the guy who voted me is probably town."
"'Cause an entire day had passed and his "sticking with the basics" line suggests having an actual reason to vote that wasn't strong enough to actually go into detail on."
"The only thing I've really added to the game is that, based on my personal history, that guy who voted me is town. Which, at this point, is now more than almost every player in the game has added."
"Are you saying this to try to get people to post, or is this actually a serious suggestion?"
"I consider it a really bad sign that a 2 day old game is already talking about inactive hunting. This doesn't feel like a discussion that has a place this early in a day."
"I get "reaction test" vibes from Gibus. Would still look better if he'd actually done something since."
ISO UNOwenVotes Corwinoid. Asks Crescent: "What makes you think that gibus wasn't just random voting?"
Goldfish say they think Gibus is town, UNOwen asks "Why?"
ISO GibusVote Cresecent. Vote Elsa after Alex slideshow. 3 posts, trolly.
ISO geraintmdespite their numerous naughty points and random vote i actually have more of a feel for them than the above folk, tho still putting them here as they haven't done much ferreting about imo.-
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ok, should i be less subtle?In post 150, Corwinoid wrote:@Eiralox if you thought it was a going nowhere question maybe you should pay attention more.
VOTE: geraintm
I dislike the not-so-subtle hint at not trusting D1 reads. I've seen people have some very good intuition in games very early on. The rest of your posts bother me also.
I dislike day 1s intensly, i feel they are random at best and tilted towards scum more likely, and the chances of eliminating scum are very small and we would be better off not eliminating anyone today.
anyone who claims strong readson day 1 i will just internally giggle at.
anytime anyone says "i can/i know others can get good reads days 1" are blinding themselves with anecdotes.
@clidd
for some reason i thought we have played together before.
my vote for you was based purely on your post being the 56th of the game, 28 after my first post (which was 28). i normally have fun day 1 when people get upset at me for my vote because they are not aware why i have placed my initial vote. i am stopping that fun now, it is clearly too much of a distraction.
@vivax - my posts are not to generate a negatve reaction, they are just me having fun because people don't get the "joke"-
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I think I am.terrible scum and really easy to spot. I get really panicky (my scum threads are wild swings of emotion)In post 177, clidd wrote:Actually, we already played together (2021) iirc.
In our last experience you were scum and made me townread your slot for a whole day until I woke up and realized your behavior wasn't town being erratic but just scum being scummy.
I didn't know though if you knew my random method of voting was my main thought.-
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You are jnlikely to get any real reads from me until day 2, once there is an elimination and whatever info people bring to the table. That is when I start pushing at people.more.In post 178, clidd wrote:There is also a town!Gera game that caused me some mental confusion when I tried to read your slot, but that's before the scumgame.
I haven't played/watched you play since then, so I don't know if your playstyle has evolved but judging in isolation I consider it more scummy-y than towny-y. At least until you actually generate "real" reads.-
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@george - i am sure you can find times people have found scum day 1.
i am also sure you can find times when people have not found scum day 1.
the existence of the 1st does not make me feel any better than the odds are any better than random.
@alex - the L word is banned on this site.
@vivax - i will barely intereact day 1 with the game. i will occasionally note something that feels off about other people's play, but that is pretty much it. i am not trying to get a reaction from anyone, honest. except when i wind people up about random votes-
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i dont follow your thought patterns with this vote.In post 191, Elsa Jay wrote:VOTE: Gibus
I'll be busy at work today but I'm reading up. My last readlist still applies.
of course it is going to be forced, it is day one. either some townie just wanting to appear clever or scum trying to paint me bad and set me up for later.In post 198, Alexcellent wrote: I don't really understand his scum read on Geraintm. Maybe it's coming from a meta read but it just feels a little bit forced to me.
@crescent - if you are able to spot a player as scum 80% of the time then i tip my hat to you, you are a much better player than me. i'm happy with a 50% ratio for my votes.
this ^^^In post 210, Corwinoid wrote:I really, really, really hate it when people play every other game they've been in, instead of the game they're currently in.
good players will be aware of their tells and switch things up
that is exactly what i am doing.In post 223, clidd wrote:
Not trying to be rude, but it looks like you're trying to buy time for suggesting that I need to evaluate you later (D2).
i have just read this and actually realise i am fairly contradictory about this. i strongly weight votes, that is true. when i go back on day 2/3, it is the vote counts i go through to get my strong indications of how players have behaved.In post 233, Crescent wrote:Something I just remembered myself: Gera specifically said last game he didn't care about any read that didn't also come with a vote.
He immediately shaded Vivax for shading George, then called him performative. Vivax did not place any vote here.
but i also do take notice of people planning votes in advance or spreading a huge net of suspicions. i dislike players who will list every other player in the game as potentially scum, because they can rely on it later as evidence they thought someone was scummy.
so, i just want to apologise for being interested in both votes and non-voting stuff.
ah, this is why i hand out naught ypoints, give myself an marker that someone has done something i find weird that i can come back to later. i knew there was a reason i did it.In post 236, Crescent wrote:
This suggests he could find such a thing "performative", but he never once accuses anyone in the game of such a thing. Not even me, when I pressured a few on day 1 but voted none of them.In post 269, geraintm wrote:
I will not pay any attention to people's pressure unless it is backed up by a vote, it is just posturing otherwise. If it ain't jn a vote count I will totally forget it ever existedIn post 197, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I can pressure someone without voting for them. There's not exactly a lot of posts to go on so far, but from what I've seen you are obvscum.
To immediately jump to George's defense is a more stark contrast to last game than I've been thinking it is.
10/10 for shitposting.In post 270, Not_Mafia wrote:UNOwen
ElsaJay
clidd
GeorgeBailey
geraintm
Corwinoid
Crescent
gibus
GoldfishFromTheMoon
Vivax
Alexcellent
Eiralox
Not_Mafia
the game we managed to vote them off day 1 i consider one of my greatest achievements on this site!In post 275, Corwinoid wrote:I am genuinely curious how the people who've played with him before really feel about him.
it will never happen again.
i am wondering how much of Clidd's attack on me is based on their emotional reaction to my unexplained random vote on them.
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i am amused by your attempt to get sense from not mafiaIn post 298, Eiralox wrote:
Yo @Not_Mafia, can u expand on ur Elsa Jay, Clidd, Alexcellent and Vivax placements? Any method behind the rainbow or will you continue to be mute?In post 270, Not_Mafia wrote:UNOwen
ElsaJay
clidd
GeorgeBailey
geraintm
Corwinoid
Crescent
gibus
GoldfishFromTheMoon
Vivax
Alexcellent
Eiralox
Not_Mafia
best of luck with that
i cant work out why, but this obvious desperation for wagons to form makes me uncomfortable.In post 318, Crescent wrote:
What we need most is people coming to an actual consensus of sorts or we're just handing control of the vote over to the scumteam. Treating NM like one feels very dangerous-
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then lets just no vote, that surely has to be better than what you are expecting to happenIn post 322, Crescent wrote: We have less than 3 days left and an 8-way vote split. This is anightmare scenariofor town. We have virtually no control over who gets voted off like this and no way of actually pressuring anyone.
I said this immediately when I saw how split the vote is. If you're town and not alarmed by that vote spread that's a you problem.
It doesnt matter who scum is. They've loved how this day has progressed so far. This goes double if NM is town.-
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If all you want from pressure is to people to post prod dodging posts, then you aren't going to move the game forward muchIn post 356, Crescent wrote:
I went with the one who already had a vote. I didn't realize George also had one but I didn't want to split the votes any further.In post 353, Alexcellent wrote:Tbh the big push on Gibus feels bad. His ISO is lacking but I don't see anything that screams scum to me.
Also keen to hear from George.
P-Edit: pretty much what Vivax said. Looking forward to the catch up George.
But.... It did it's job, and got BOTH of them to post. My desire to kill George is still higher than my desire to kill Gibus.
UNVOTE: Gibus-
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This is such a weird game. Crescent is somehow dominating all the conversations from posting their ideas on how everyone else should be posting, or comparing their play to other games.In post 356, Crescent wrote:
I went with the one who already had a vote. I didn't realize George also had one but I didn't want to split the votes any further.In post 353, Alexcellent wrote:Tbh the big push on Gibus feels bad. His ISO is lacking but I don't see anything that screams scum to me.
Also keen to hear from George.
P-Edit: pretty much what Vivax said. Looking forward to the catch up George.
But.... It did it's job, and got BOTH of them to post. My desire to kill George is still higher than my desire to kill Gibus.
UNVOTE: Gibus-
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i have zero idea why you think i have outed myself.In post 388, Crescent wrote:Oh and you're welcome, everyone. I just got a scum to effectively out himself with my "useless" vote.
i thought your vote was pointless, because i dont think the reaction you got from it was worthwhile. you hadnt generated pressure, you just seem to think because they posed after your vote the two things are related
In post 391, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Ok idk if you are scum or not but crescent, you're constant talk about meta from previous games is pinging me. It's not overly helpful for people who haven't played in those games, and especially the meta analysis of georgebailey as vanya, talking about the "vibes bening off" seems pretty useless, it's a well know fact that people change around their playstyle and attitude between games, ESPECIALLY if they are using an alt account or the game is anonymous, which it sounds like this one was.
Most of the meta analysis you've posted seems to be talking about things that are nai. So please only do it if it's genuinely very relevant, because it's making it hard for me to follow the game.
agree with this ^^^
ok, i have no idea why this game i am getting so much flack for things i do every other game.In post 400, GeorgeBailey wrote:While i disagree with Alex's read on Elsa, I think his defense comes from a townie perspective.
VOTE: Geraintm
Geraint is my best bet for scum, he's been suggesting anti-town behavior and is actively doing anti-town things. Like:
andIn post 138, geraintm wrote:my vote for clidd was purely random
Literally voting at random is better than a no-vote. No-votes give us absolutely no information.In post 329, geraintm wrote:
then lets just no vote, that surely has to be better than what you are expecting to happenIn post 322, Crescent wrote: We have less than 3 days left and an 8-way vote split. This is anightmare scenariofor town. We have virtually no control over who gets voted off like this and no way of actually pressuring anyone.
I said this immediately when I saw how split the vote is. If you're town and not alarmed by that vote spread that's a you problem.
It doesnt matter who scum is. They've loved how this day has progressed so far. This goes double if NM is town.
@Geraintm: gun to head, who would you eliminate right now?
this is my first post
note the number 28 for those who need to pay attention.In post 28, geraintm wrote:Hello all. Think I've played with a bunch of you, so that's good.
This is the 28th post I think
and go back and check every other game i play where i mention a number in my first post.
this is me quoting post 56 and voting for it. 56=28+28.In post 116, geraintm wrote:
VOTE: cliddIn post 56, clidd wrote:The rest of the discussion that goes on didn't suggest much in the AI sense. Feels like almost everyone who posted so far is literally dancing in null variations tbh.
I need to read more to be able to infer something more expressive, which implies the need for more posts, interactions and etc.
my random vote is really that simple.
i then have (what i consider) a bit of fun when people get confused about my random vote
like this
but for some reason, even when i say that my vote was purely random, people are still upset for doing untown things like voting randomly in the exact same way i have every other game.In post 127, geraintm wrote:
Well, you would....In post 118, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
Whats wrong with that post? I thought it made sense.In post 116, geraintm wrote:
VOTE: cliddIn post 56, clidd wrote:The rest of the discussion that goes on didn't suggest much in the AI sense. Feels like almost everyone who posted so far is literally dancing in null variations tbh.
I need to read more to be able to infer something more expressive, which implies the need for more posts, interactions and etc.
I'm going to have fun with this
and me argueing for no vote day 1.
i could go back and find me doing it in a bunch of other games because it is something i have argued for many times - but i know people hate it so i stopped doing it pretty much. but in post 329 i brouht it up because it did honestly seem better that what Crescent was predicting.
to use these two posts as a reason to think me scum is just....awful
i have responded now to these and i am not going to bother any more because it is pointless. you do you.
who would i eliminate - not mafia. i cannot read them in any game i play with them, they require a night action from someone to solve in my opinion and i would prefer it if we didnt have to do that.
the people pressuring me, i aint fan of any of you either, but i am used to it in games and i think at the moment i'd rather keep you around because when on day 2 or 3 people come for me again with their piss poor reasons it will be obvious i am being pushed as a mis-elimination.
but i have no strong opinions on who should be voted off.
i think next game i am going to go back to my "vote the biggest wagon" plan, just to get to day 2 quicker because i am not enjoying today
when i have fun, you take it to be scum behaviour
posts like this i just shrug at
"#384 Gera is logical here. Right? idk, but they make sense: voting inactive, having them appear and then immediately unvoting does lessen pressure. RE: Crescent reaction to this, i'm not sure. i'll need to look deeper into it, but t/t distinctly possible."
^^^^ this was from eiralox
so i am pleased that someone else thinks my logic with Crescent makes sense-
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I've had enough. Calling my random vote not random and using it as an excuse to scum read me is passing me off.In post 472, Crescent wrote:Still an 8 way vote split huh.
The top 3 trains though... Cannot say any of them are particularly bad. Got one probable scum, and two guys with lingering scum equity that could definitely still give us more than they have.
We now have THREE pairs of people countervoting though: Elsa/Gibus, Clidd/Gera, Uno/Corwi. Many of these votes came a long time ago, too. I'd like to hear a renewed argument from both Elsa and Gibus about why their votes are still there. Uno's spoken on it lately, Corwi countervoted because he got... Tired of it? Gera blatantly countered on Clidd, then called it "random" (sure. "random".) and has left it sitting there while shading me. But these two? I need more out of these two.
I'm not sure I've ever seen so much countervoting as I have so far this game.
VOTE: Crescent
For someone so insistent everyone should go back and read every players previous games, to think I didn't random vote is mind boggling-
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You know that they'll be night actions to rule out difficult to sort players right?In post 472, Crescent wrote:Still an 8 way vote split huh.
The top 3 trains though... Cannot say any of them are particularly bad. Got one probable scum, and two guys with lingering scum equity that could definitely still give us more than they have.
We now have THREE pairs of people countervoting though: Elsa/Gibus, Clidd/Gera, Uno/Corwi. Many of these votes came a long timeIn post 487, Crescent wrote:
This technically has nothing to do with my reads? I have town reads on Eiralox and Alex right now.In post 486, Corwinoid wrote:
Just lay it out, is withholding your reads at this point really helping town?In post 485, Crescent wrote:There are currently two players that, if they are scum, I believe scum already has this game won.
But I think if either are scum, this town is already dead. There's no way either of these two would get caught in a day 4/day 5 situation unless they made a massive gaffe.
You seem to have this opinion that town can only ever win this game if you get everything right, and I can't work out why you are playing like this. I've not played with you enough to know why you have this attitude, and it feels very different to the previous game I was with you.-
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Look, a 9. 2nd last gameIn post 31, geraintm wrote:Amazing, not gonna lie, feeling some Emotions now game has finally started.
Waited so long for this to start.
Anyways, today's number is 9-
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And a 7In post 153, geraintm wrote:7 pages already!
This game is going to be too much.
[Space left intentionally blank to crumb]
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So, i shown the evidence for my random vote, and you are still claiming I deliberately counter voted someone. Which would require me knowing in advance the player I wanted to vote was going to post exactly 28 posts after mine, that is seriously your case against me?
I am voting you the rest of today, vote locked-
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This is your post about me where you are calling me out....but you are calling me out I think in this game for not random voting like I always do and you make mention of some post which explains why I am different this game??In post 69, Crescent wrote:Ger had issues last game actually responding to questions quickly and directly and it's one of the reasons I suspected him for so long. He also had a habit of saying he'd do things and just... Didn't actually do them. He was the one town player who lived to endgame less active than the entire scumteam.
Last game he voted Scorpious at post 11 (4th vote on him) and said something about "always random voting" to justify it. I do find it curious that he sussed someone so early but apparently did not "randomly vote" anyone. He doesn't have a content post in the other game until #168 where he pokes me for poking him.
There is a post that gives a potential reason for this difference in early behavior, but I want to see what he says about it before I bring it up specifically.
Like....you wonder why I am fixated on you thinking I didn't random vote, you are confused about my vote last game (which was random as I sat it was)
Just....I don't get why you are fixated on me.
Unlikely to post much again until tomorrow as 9pm here,.might be able to check in quickly before bed-
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ran from the game? it is friday night, you know people can do other things than post here right? yet you are using that (along with you dismissing my random vote for not being random) as another way to keep piling shade on meIn post 547, Crescent wrote:Love that Ger completely ignored my initial and still valid reason for voting him, "locked" his vote on me on false pretenses, and ran from the game.
Interesting two votes on Owen who has been in my null zone like, this entire time. Can either of you elaborate more?
and i thought i went back and looked at your post about me - your post 69 - in my post 535
you cannot say i ignored your early reads on me when you ignore my post aimed at you about them?
you cannot say my vote on you is under false pretenses - like, what does that even mean - you know better than me why i am voting for you????
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Quick catch up, looking mostly for when I am mentioned.In post 667, Alexcellent wrote:
This feels scummy or bad townIn post 547, Crescent wrote:Love that Ger completely ignored my initial and still valid reason for voting him, "locked" his vote on me on false pretenses, and ran from the game.
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In post 667, Alexcellent wrote:
This feels scummy or bad townIn post 547, Crescent wrote:Love that Ger completely ignored my initial and still valid reason for voting him, "locked" his vote on me on false pretenses, and ran from the game.
I cant work out Crescent at all, I got very worked up at them last night because nothing I said seemed to get through to them, and even after I left they still were putting in stupid digs like me running away when I have to sleep. They aren't being like this with anyone elseIn post 736, Alexcellent wrote:
Crescent - felt like a needless attempt to throw shade on you and spinning you not being here as "running away". Just felt unnecessary and her wording of it a bit manipulative.In post 734, geraintm wrote:
Quick catch up, looking mostly for when I am mentioned.In post 667, Alexcellent wrote:
This feels scummy or bad townIn post 547, Crescent wrote:Love that Ger completely ignored my initial and still valid reason for voting him, "locked" his vote on me on false pretenses, and ran from the game.
Who is scummy, me or Crescent?
But also pls do a real catch up if you can
Today they seem to have dropped me as inthjnk they worked out I was not going to get eliminated today, but I still feel like they are going to curclback to me tomorrow.
There is little point in me doing a catch up today, it is day 1. There are a few players who aren't very engaged, some who are over engaged and the sooner we get to day 2 the better as they'll be some night actions to help us.-
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@george
I said not mafia as half joke, I know there is jo way they are getting voted off day 1.
Vote for Crescent was a mixture of anger, bafflement and genuine non comprehension about what they were doing,
BTW, I can understand people wanting to vote me on day 1 like you have been, I get people's annoyance with me, I don't gold it against you, I just promise indo get better-
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i was a novice detective in my last game. i made it to end gameIn post 898, clidd wrote:I saw ''detective'' once in a game (2020) and the player in question, as far as I can remember, was also eliminated on day one.
Tragic.
is the hammer genuine then? and it wasnt Not Mafia who did it??
i am assuming this claim in twilight is genuine. if i had been around i would have made it clear i wouldn't have gone near George Bailey today ever.
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these will be the people i will look at most closely tomorrow, pending whatever happens over nightIn post 907, Eiralox wrote:
I think it was me, Crescent, Gib, and Vivax, with me and Crescent being the closet posters active up to when Owen hammered.In post 905, geraintm wrote: anyone got a rollcall of all those who could have unvoted after the claim PR and didn't? Or am i going to have to look that up myself tomorrow?
Alex and Not_Mafia were not active at the time.-
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you lot know something different to the rest of us?? or you just shooting blind?
@ alex - trying to work out why scum shot someone is usually a pointless exercise. we don't even know who was killed by scum
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quick thoughts before i look at people properly.
but there were 7 votes on George yesterday, one who turned red. so 6 left
and there were 6 people not on the wagon, but 2 have turned up green so that is 3 left.
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thinking about it more, you (and others - ElsaJay in 952) are probably right about which one was the scum kill.In post 946, Alexcellent wrote:There's no universe where scum kills Owen there, unless it's for the WIFOM
go home boys, Goldfish has solved the case....In post 947, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:I think there might be a vigilante in the setup. Don't claim though.
Vivax - 953 - i dunno, feels like they are reaching for straws on Alex
what's this??In post 964, Corwinoid wrote:^ Vivax is still trash. Flip me if you want to, but he's scum this game and I'm not moving off that position unless people find a magical fucking unicorn and a confessional signed by the pope.
ok, now i am paying attention.In post 966, Corwinoid wrote:
With a traitor is it 3+1 or 2+1? I have Vivax, I'm not sure who the third is.In post 965, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean, considering you lived specifically because we jumped onto George for reasons I still don't get, I thought you would rethink your list. Then again since Owen flipped evil (despite being a traitor who main scum wouldn't know he is it) I guess you'll stick to your guns.
Who would be the remaining 2 scum to you?
Gera, Alex, Eira are town, I think NM is town right now. I would have stuck on Owen but you and Eira scared me off, I said that yesterday too. I'm null or very slightly leaned on everyone else right now.
i didnt have time today to go through yesterday's votes (webinars at work), but right now Vivax and Corwin would be the place i would start. vivax been the penultimate vote on the elimination is-
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looking at vivax to begin with
i hated this entrance at the time.In post 29, Vivax wrote:Gettin scum feels from George Bayleys series of posts as entrance.
Leaving it at that.
post 119 a vote for corwind
pairing up votesIn post 295, Vivax wrote:Good morning.
UNVOTE: Corwinoid
VOTE: GeorgeBailey
Almost voted not_mafia, but it'd be more useful to keep him around as pet troll for now.
If he really triggers that many people to the point it's all I can read about, I'll reconsider.
Corwin/George looks like a good combo still.
and back againIn post 424, Vivax wrote:
Scummy post.In post 393, Corwinoid wrote:
I really want to know what your fascination with me is. Since your RVS vote you haven't even looked anywhere else or engaged meaningfully with any other slot in the game. Seriously, what's going on here?In post 307, UNOwen wrote:
Where is Corwin on your list and why?In post 305, Elsa Jay wrote: Won't say who yet but reading the last four pages made 2 people move up in my town list and 1 down. I'm here to interact all day as well.
VOTE: UNOwen
UNVOTE: GeorgeBailey
VOTE: Corwinoid
why do they care what their scum read thinks?In post 427, Vivax wrote:
Do you have a townread on Corwin?In post 402, GeorgeBailey wrote:
Agreed, Uno hasn't moved their vote since RVS and the shade in [post]307[post] feels like, er, posturing? Or would the right word be rallying.In post 398, Corwinoid wrote:
Somewhat engaged how? The only people with less posts are gibus, GB and NM (and the mod), and almost half (5/13) of his posts including his RVS are engaging with me exclusively. This looks a lot more like someone trying to hide and shade a slot than any actual engagement.Crescent wrote:It's true he has not named anyone else as scummy, but he's also been somewhat engaged. I'm still null on Unowen though - It's nowhere near as bad as players like George.
Like whether or not they should move their vote in case there's any traction.
i think this is their only interaction with me up to this point. there ar emore after but nothing seriousIn post 599, Vivax wrote:
When you come back, remember to do this.In post 513, geraintm wrote:Crescent, stop calling my random vote not random.
You are talking out of your ass.
I will ignore you the for the rest of the game because your insistence that you know my actions better than me is just baffling me.
weird post asking someone else for permission to voteIn post 676, Vivax wrote:
And if the town doesn't vote Corwin, who should we be voting in your opinion?In post 675, Eiralox wrote:
this can read null. it might be genuine town though-process coming from Corwin, and while I certainly wouldn't be thinking this way, it's not enough for a scum lean by itself. Corwin might merely be wondering why town! Vivax didn't do full private research regarding the setup(which, again, is not scummy on Vivax's part--- I myself stated my own ignorance on the matter.In post 588, Corwinoid wrote: No. I knew the game was Normal, and what invalid roles there are.
Someone genuinely trying to solve would want to know what they're up against.
This can be T/T.
George still?
back we go
Day 2....i dunno.
they are ignoring Corwin's claim which is weird.
i didn't liek their day 1 play, there are too many instances of just posts that are off to me and the fixation on george (town) and COrwin (who i am making the assumption is town at this point until proven otherwise, i cannot see their play today being from scum) looks so so bad.
considering the progression of their wagon today, i think id be ok with a vote there.
addendum
Not mafia is infuriating to play with. If town, they need to be sorted at some point through a night action or an elimination. if scum, they just get a free pass.
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yep, areplacement combined with not mafia is causing zero flowIn post 1001, Alexcellent wrote:Yeah, I think I'm launching Vivax before Corwin.
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L word is a no-noIn post 1018, Vivax wrote:Wanting to lynch Corwin yesterday but being widely townread, then having to compromise on George only to find that today we've somehow regressed to discussing me is mildly disappointing.
A reason for someone to be mafia shouldn't become better just because you add more content.
Daily challenge: Find the player who attempts AtE on D2.
feels like this suggestion could be a lazy one from someone wanting an easy elimination.In post 1003, Alexcellent wrote:Eiralox D2 is also very different to Eiralox D1.
I would be open to a policy Not_Mafia elimination if we can't reach a majority on someone prior to end of day.
naughty point for you
i was sorta assuming it was going to be a one shot slot, is it common for Vigilantes to have multiple shots? seems overpowered if so??In post 1006, Elsa Jay wrote:I feel like since we know we got a vigilante in play that's less of a concern to waste our elim on them when they can get shot instead. But yeah worst case scenario we can elim there.
It was not possible for me to read Crescent yesterday, i got way too up in emotion about them.In post 1007, Alexcellent wrote:
I don't agree with everything in this post but I think the bolded line is not a bad point.In post 999, Elsa Jay wrote:I guess we'll never get the answers I was looking for from Fish now, so I'll stick with my heart.
VOTE: Corwin
At this point it feels like Cres was defending both Owen AND Corwin's actions earlier. Maybe she realized Owen might've been the traitor and didn't want either of her teammates to die so she uses her voice and momentum to switch it onto George.
Now she wants to launch the significantly townier Vivax over Corwin? Nah. Not buying it.
If Corwin flips scum I nearly garuntee Cres is the third who has tried to take hold of the game after realizing her partners were passive.
I keep flip flopping here but yeah I don't trust Cres rn.
Edit: don't agree with just pointing it out for scum to also see but you do you Vivax.
I've been apprehensive about Crescent but wrote most of it off due to differing playstyles. Also her frustration yesterday about the game activity felt kind of genuine which made me feel better about her being town. But there probably IS a scenario where scum!Crescent's only partner is a passive/low-content/troll player (i.e. Not_Mafia/Goldfish etc) and partnered with an unknown traitor, she may have felt the need to flood D1 with activity to make up for not knowing one of her scum partners and maybe another partner not contributing. Her frustration could have come more from feeling the need to carry scum faction in that regard.
Corwin/Cres is a possible team but I don't think Corwin flipping scum would make Cres a lock to also be scum.
Mostly just thinking aloud here.
today....their change in tone seems noticeable, but i am going to have to be led by others on them (i know i normally hate it when i see people ask permission from others for a read, but i feel i have a genuine reason here for not having being able to intereact with them normally)
@ Crescent - i am reading Corwin as town too btw today.
and just caught your ISO on Vivax. i didnt spend much time on Day 2 (because of the lack of votes and as you put it, the general mehness to it) - but agree with you that they seem off.
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Catching up, on phone so this won't be great.In post 1030, Vivax wrote:Fine, if you insist that I find someone outside of Corwin I will. Just don't expect me to be quick.
I was thinking of clidd as wildcard before he got shot. Considering he had quite the pokerface on him, he probably had a right hunch somewhere.
Or does he have a reputation of being consistently good?
No L-word, nice.
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In post 1030, Vivax wrote:Fine, if you insist that I find someone outside of Corwin I will. Just don't expect me to be quick.
I was thinking of clidd as wildcard before he got shot. Considering he had quite the pokerface on him, he probably had a right hunch somewhere.
Or does he have a reputation of being consistently good?
No L-word, nice.
UNVOTE: Corwinoid
I feel th eo lying people wanting not mafia to stay in the game are those worried they might be an elimination candidate tomorrowIn post 1039, Corwinoid wrote:
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If not mafia ever flips green, then vivax looks bad for this to meIn post 1051, Vivax wrote:I'd say that since I'm supposed to do a lot of legwork and I'm reluctant to do that with NM playing the way he does, this should probably be the day we policy-launch him.
If you disagree, feel free to do what you want. But then I'll do what I want too, which is nothing while I have an unreadable slot.-
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In post 1051, Vivax wrote:I'd say that since I'm supposed to do a lot of legwork and I'm reluctant to do that with NM playing the way he does, this should probably be the day we policy-launch him.
If you disagree, feel free to do what you want. But then I'll do what I want too, which is nothing while I have an unreadable slot.
I'm fairly.sure I've seen enough from vivaxIn post 1067, Vivax wrote:
No other reason but the polished entrance and general difficulty in getting a read. Wildcard means my next guess for mafia if someone among Corwin, George, Owen wasn't. The NK helped me narrow it down.In post 1066, Crescent wrote:
I asked you earlier why you would've gone for Clidd given you last mentioned him all the way back in #182.In post 1051, Vivax wrote:I'd say that since I'm supposed to do a lot of legwork and I'm reluctant to do that with NM playing the way he does, this should probably be the day we policy-launch him.
If you disagree, feel free to do what you want. But then I'll do what I want too, which is nothing while I have an unreadable slot.
You should at least have an answer to back that up?
Anything else you want to know? If not, I would't mind getting NM out.
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im like, the 4th person to vote you and you turn on me?In post 1095, Vivax wrote:I'm gonna openly OMGUS this, go look at clidds reads, and call geraintm mafia for this. And because the logic to vote for me is hilariously lazy and he doesn't apply it in reverse.
And there's also your reason for clidd getting NKd.
So I guess my work here is done. I'll just sheep a good dead town, because it's what mafia wouldn't want me to do.
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what do you mean by my my reason for clidd?
oh seen in a few posts down. you give me way more credit for noticing that clidd always thought me scum. and surely i would have picked on Crescent in that case, they hated me yesterday?
you look bad for wanting to get rid of Not mafia because a policy elimination right then was a terrible, terrible idea that felt like wanting to come from scum wanting an easy elimination of a townie - hence me saying if not mafia turns out green you looked awful.
you point out i didnt follow up on Alex the same way i have with you for doing the same thing with the policy elimination of not mafia - and i think i said i may have confirmation bias when looking at you so i guess that is fair. but i wasnt voting you for just the one thing, its been a whole host
ok, this is embarressing, i was 100% sure that they had said something like "with the infomation i have" when they voted for you - which i took to mean they had some info from a night action about your guilt. it was why i was looking so hard at you first.In post 1101, Vivax wrote:And since every good coffin needs four nails, here's the final one:
What claim?Day 2....i dunno.
they are ignoring Corwin's claim which is weird.
Did geraintm tell him to claim vig today or where does this come from.
but i cannot find it in their ISO, so now i am wondering why i ever thought it??
@corwin - did you say something like that?
because it was why i thought you were so likely town - i couldnt think scum would make that suggestion you had night info like that and make such a strong vote on vivax.
now though, with them moving their vote off you they clearly didnt have strong night info like i had assumed.
Post 1102 - it is comforting that crescent is agreeing with me liek this - not the first time i dont think ether.
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Not that NM matters now as for what I believe, I found the other mafia. You're kind of on an old page.In post 1102, Crescent wrote:To expand: You can't possibly think I look bad for wanting to launch NM today when he's still alive and you don't know his alignment.
*Raises hand*
The NM vote was legitimately bad because a vote on him that early in the day achieves absolutely nothing. It's the ultimate sinkhole. I've made it no secret I find him insufferable and want him out of this game, but rushing him out is not pro-town.
I'm only on phone at the moment so tabbing all over the place isn't an option but next up I'm taking a peek at Gera's day 2 ISO.
The argument is very bad as it puts something that happens in a possible future (NM dies and flips town) as a fact in the present (NM would die as town and that makes you look bad now).
this is horrible circular logic. you cannot find mafia because they thought you did something scummy - when you are talking to someone else who thinks you are scummy too! or have you found the whole team??
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oh, you have found the whole scum team!In post 1106, Vivax wrote:I was kind of drawing up a massive for almost an hour post when I started out wanting to make a simple flowchart in response to crescent.
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In post 1107, Vivax wrote:I think I might be getting closer to the Eureka moment while writing this post. Or it's just another one of my insane ramblings. Would mean that either geraint or Corwin is town however?
jesus, you are very hard to follow. im not scum now???
agree, but not that one
this isn't helpful.In post 1116, Corwinoid wrote:The situations are only comparable in your hyper-self-aware attention whoring self important flood posting world where you think you are a goddamn paragon of Mafia brilliance and everyone who doesn't grovel at your feet for the crumbs of your reads and play THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO is "bad at the game".
Seriously, fuck off.
VOTE: Crescent
Policy vote for fucking off unfun players. Go away.
is this like your 5th scum team you've foudn today?
to check, you like vivax's push on crescent, and crescent's reaction has been bad?In post 1154, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I am reading and catching up but also trying to stay current at the same time.
Vivax seems town early game so I think I like this Crescent push? Plus, her response has been awful.
you are going to need more than that from your catchup, but interested in what you have got.
i admit my view on crescent is bad - yesterday i could not deal with them, today they are mostly ignoring me and agreeing with stuff i say so, am i meant to like them now?
and unsure how they can go through a complete round up of all players in a post (1155) and not mention me??
providing your thoughts on the players would be really, really helpful though.....In post 1159, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I haven't finished reading.
I won't be providing a reads list either. I'll tell you who is scum though
are you confessing to faking a scum read on Crescent to just to try and get some heat off you??????In post 1162, Vivax wrote:I'd cut crescent some slack, but I had my hand forced and had to find someone not Corwin or not_mafia. Pun intended. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
in light of Vivax's post above, you are going to need way way more than this to justify a vote on crescent. it looks so......badly oppotunistic to me
@elsa - i literally had the day off work yesterday because i was ill. people need to cut people some slack for not being as present as others.-
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the second one - where you say you are not moving off unless the Pope intervenes - maybe that is what i thought because that sounds like you had caught scum last night (or maybe followed someone to a dead man's house) and would need someone else to give a very, very good explanation.In post 1175, Corwinoid wrote:
I don't recall saying that, which is why I was as confused as everyone else. I have not made such a claim, and I checked my ISO also.In post 1174, geraintm wrote:@corwin - did you say something like that?
because it was why i thought you were so likely town - i couldnt think scum would make that suggestion you had night info like that and make such a strong vote on vivax.
Things I have said which might have triggered that are,
"I hate being confident on D1, but I'm very feeling Vivax/UNOwen/?? as a team right now."
"Vivax is still trash. Flip me if you want to, but he's scum this game and I'm not moving off that position unless people find a magical fucking unicorn and a confessional signed by the pope."
But I'm not sure if those came after your original thought or not, and I have a feeling this is an honest mistake.
it is just i had word "information" so strongly associated with you and your vote.
sorry-
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If I have I don't remember themIn post 1179, Corwinoid wrote:@geraintm, have you played with BBT before?-
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maybe you could shitpost gifs the entire game instead of content?In post 1186, Elsa Jay wrote:I'm bored now. I wanna do something stupid.
you could say....he's in a sticky situationIn post 1192, Eiralox wrote:uh oh toffee doesn't sound happy
care to give any reason? any at all?In post 1195, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Can we elim Gibus? Seems good, no?
so, you can't give a read on someone because they havent posted?In post 1201, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I haven't seen enough from him yet
oh wait, just realised it was about me. i take it you aint up to Day 2 yet, i get better honest?
oh FFS....
Full House!
oooh, a reasonIn post 1223, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Because I have seen nothing from them to suggest they are town nor have they even been even remotely useful in the first 10 pages.
Couple of things I disliked, too
i ignored the false vote on Not mafia and not mafia's reaction
some waffle from Corwin at the end about the vig that i am going to ignore. doesnt seem a path worth bothering with.
with no crescent and vivax having 1 short post, and gibus voting me and claiming to be back in a bit, today has just stalled out
i've got nothing much to add since my past post, as the only movement is the Evertonian's progression of votes through the entire town.-
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Ok, sorry thisnisngojng to be brief. Weekend and so time.is short and tomorrow is fathers day.
I quickly looked to see if anyone asked me any questions, and I didn't. If I missed something thrn say.
I liked toffee's progression as they read the game, at the start saying people were townie and then just going more and more "this person stinks" and catching up to where the rest of us are.-
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How long did you have this up your sleeve?In post 1357, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Aww man, I was hoping you'd say that...In post 1356, gibus wrote: I never townread gera fyi.
because you can only white-knight someone you town read. Or was that a scum slip?In post 425, gibus wrote: No idea. GB I guess?
I don't want to sound likeI'm white knighting ger, but his vote based on the 2 posts feels rushed and panicky.
It'd make sense for him to divert all that attention asap as scum. Just a feeling though.