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[Galron]

I like cats!

VOTE: wayward son

[Galron]

I used to do gutty townreads and scumreads page 1 and they were almost always wrong

Alright then I’ll townread you and we will see if I’m wrong.

Thunderdome stuff ere.

[Galron]

'Ello 'ello 'ello.....

God this game took ages to start, i was observing the Queue for ages waiting.

i think i recognise most of the people's names. i would suggest (from past experience) that if there is a cop type role in the game that Crescent gets checked night 1, they cannot be allowed as scum to get too far into the game.

Why? Are they deepwolf type player?

I'll check in during the day, as I can. Just expect more from me at night!

Vampire confirmed, gotcha

Anyways, here we have gone from the 2nd to a 3rd

If I remember right, vampire isn’t a normal role?

that pink is an awful colour to read.

i've only played with them as town, and so far they have been a competent player (i was scared of them when mafia) but their posting style tends to dominate the game if left unchecked, they post long posts that are usually well formed and if they are scum and they are not checked by night action they will be very hard to vote off late in the game. i cannot think of a time they were ever noticeably under pressure of being voted out, so if there is someone around who can check their alignment it would be one of the first places to go - certainly what i would be doing

What do you mean by dominate the game. I've played with them and yes you're right about the posting style but I don't know that they dominate.

[Galron]

I used to do gutty townreads and scumreads page 1 and they were almost always wrong

Alright then I’ll townread you and we will see if I’m wrong.

Thunderdome stuff ere.

But

But we have to go

beyond

Thunderdome

PLUS ULTRA!

Ultra wide Thunderdome even

[Galron]

Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

[Galron]

Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

What makes you say that? Based on vibes or anything you noticed?

Malcom has a verbose I guess you'd call it posting syle like crescent so a lot of both of their posts would probly get missed. And geraintm is pretty slippry and has already slim shaded crescent which would be a decent distancing tactic that I don't think many would think much of.

[Galron]

What do you mean by dominate the game. I've played with them and yes you're right about the posting style but I don't know that they dominate.

if they wantt o, then they can heavily dictate the shape of a day, and they are really hard to go up against. in the games ive played with them, if they were scum i think late game they would be hard to vote off, so i'd like them sorted earlier than that if possible.
just my suggestion....

and that colour is much better. i have some sort of light blue as the backdrop

So you're pushing for their flip early on. Is that what you mean by sorted? Why not try to read them?

[Galron]

I'm not sure I get what geraintm is doing -- I think the vote on me was a reaction test not for me but for others? Regardless there seems to be a process there and even if I don't understand it I can respect it. So that's worth an early town read.

I also see some kind of process with njac, although less substantive I guess. But I think it's slightly townie.

[Galron]

Drapion is giving a lot of one liners that seem easy to manufacture and I don't see them going anywhere so slight scum lean right now.

[Galron]

Yeah I'm not real sure what trap geraintm was trying to set but he seems to have had something in mind.

[Galron]

What do you mean by dominate the game. I've played with them and yes you're right about the posting style but I don't know that they dominate.

if they wantt o, then they can heavily dictate the shape of a day, and they are really hard to go up against. in the games ive played with them, if they were scum i think late game they would be hard to vote off, so i'd like them sorted earlier than that if possible.
just my suggestion....

and that colour is much better. i have some sort of light blue as the backdrop

So you're pushing for their flip early on. Is that what you mean by sorted? Why not try to read them?

I don't want them dead. If they are town they will be useful. But I want someone to check them at night so we don't have to worry about them

This makes sense so okay.

But let me ask this geraintm are there any others you feel this way about?

[Galron]

Porkens do you have scum games that you've won that you can link to?

[Galron]

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

[Galron]

I don't want them dead. If they are town they will be useful. But I want someone to check them at night so we don't have to worry about them

This makes sense so okay.

But let me ask this geraintm are there any others you feel this way about?

nope, just been in alot of games with them lately so that is why they come to mind[/quote]

Okay I'll drop this line and put in the memory banks.

[Galron]

Broken quotes hm

[Galron]

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

Hmm...

Galron-Professor

team can be plausible.

Shiidaji

goes to my null-list for now.

I like Professor Galron better but no.

[Galron]

Yeah I'm not real sure what trap geraintm was trying to set but he seems to have had something in mind.

anyone who decided to pipe up after my vote on you and said they found you sus, well, i just have that down as weird sucking up and i dont like it. not one bit

So, you don’t have any suspicion about

Galron

, the vote on them was a trap?

None at all, it was a random vote, 23 or whatever after my 1st.
I never expected anyone to say anything about it except huh, but to have someone go "I agree" was deeply weird

Okay this makes sense. I was wondering why you didn't do your normal random roll or whatever and I see you did a second and a third so I guess that makes 23.

[Galron]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83299&start=325

As a rep in it doesn't do much for early game analysis but I'm going to archive this for later on. Thanks!

[Galron]

I haven't played with Galron so I don't know how reserved they are with their vote.

I'm pretty slow to vote until I have a more than an inkling or I think I may be able to pressure someone.

[Galron]

Crescent, Geraintm, Malcolm, and Salsabil are my Town leans atm.

Lottsa Pedits Well, I'm here to find scum, so I hope to be "in the thick of it" (scum hunting) soon!

Another Pedit, nothing to say.

I'm curious about Salsabil.

[Galron]

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

[Galron]

Galron is an odd one - I don't think they've contributed much so far and their reasoning when they have made reads has been pretty poor or meh, but by the same token I feel like Galron's posting can generally be quite sparse and hard to read in a way which can make them an easy target for miselimination. I'm sort of undecided there at the moment.

This is pretty waffle-y. Have you seen my scum game?

[Galron]

Why Malcolm? I find them townie tbh.

Just that little spat we had. After reading their ISO, I doubt they're scum.

This caught my eye as a bit of an odd post - I believe Wayward TR'd me early on, they then hint I could be scum, but quickly back away from the possibility once they're asked to provide reasoning for it.

Why don't you believe that they ISO'd you and changed their mind?

[Galron]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

Kitty if you're talking about a question you had previously posed I can't seem to find it. I feel I'm being gaslighted.

[Galron]

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

[Galron]

Shidaji seems to be pairing me up with several people and I don't like it.

[Galron]

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

The brunt of my Malcolm read is from his process. In that often when he posts it's points that mirror my thinking. I agree with him a lot is what I'm saying!!

What kind of process do you see there? Because I obviously don't see it.

[Galron]

Oh and someone scum reads me for something kitty had done in another game?

[Galron]

Shidaji seems to be pairing me up with several people and I don't like it.

You gotta do what you gotta do

I'm glad that's sorted.

[Galron]

lmao

Maybe process means something diff to us, for me I mean like thought process, that when mal replies to a post he picks the ones I would and says things I would say. That's usually a towntell for me. If you have anything else that comes to mind that you find scummy tho LMK in case I'm being put in a little pocket

Process to me is an overall game view thing not an individual post thing.Kind of like a strategy or purpose but more a method.

[Galron]

Do you have reads outside of Malcolm? Can you talk about Salsa?

I think Salsa is probably town just based on the colored font thing which occurred to me earlier today when I was thinking about this game.

I don't particularly care for Wayward Son or porkens postings and lean scum on them.

Most everyone is null really. Prof said not to do a 180 on him or he'll scum read it but I think I'm headed there

[Galron]

Question to everyone, I see Porkens talking about how bad he is and throwing shade at the idea of Town blocs. His only game relevant post is his "gut" vote. Is it only Professor's defense of him that makes him Town?

“HAY EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS OTHER PERSON PLEASE”

QFT

I'm not so hot on my "tinfoil theory" anymore. I never mentioned Professor's claim to see if he would push it as an excuse to not vote him. It'd probably be late game before he could prove it.

When I get back on later tonight, I'll revise my vote. I think Shiidaji is Town.

Professor, Porkens. OMGUS I guess.

Galron, and maybe Malcolm.

These are my best guesses.

NJAC and Wayward.

Without quotes, can you summarize your scum read on NJAC? Something quick?

After Galron's ISO. I just don't know what to say or ask.

@ Galron What do you think?

'Was this a question to me because if so I don't understand it.

[Galron]

Yeah porkens what are you driving at there anyway?

[Galron]

I'm thinking Wayward and not porkens was driving at something with that post and I think it was to set me up for something.

VOTE: Wayward

[Galron]

I'm thinking Wayward and not porkens was driving at something with that post and I think it was to set me up for something.

VOTE: Wayward

They are the counter wagon which makes sense if we're not tvt wagons.

I don't think porkens is a red flip on a green wayward flip though.

[Galron]

Galron

is at E-1.

lol okay

That's fine but I'm not maf and you don't want to flip me

[Galron]

And for the record it has all the makings of scum getting pressure and then lurking to try to wait it out. Galron has had 3 votes for about 50 hours. In this span, he has just 8 posts. There's been some very light shade at Malcolm, and... Really nothing else. He has made zero attempt to do anything towards the train on him, just some "pst pst hey look at Malcolm" followed by nothing.

Just busy. I don't lurk. This just a recency bias thing and it happens to me all the time. I post when I'm able and when I feel like kt which sometimes is daily and sometimes not.

[Galron]

I'm going to step away for a bit . I'm very irritated right no.

[Galron]

I haven't gotten there yet. Why do you think I'm caught up when I'm obviously not?

[Galron]

I don't know how to win. I say that I think day 1s are useless because they are more elikely than not to end in a town flip, and people say doesn't matter, a town flip is better than no flip.

So I say I think the wagon is going to end up on town, and I get called as scum because only a scum will know that.

I don't know that, yes town has caught scum day 1, just the odds are just not worth it, but I strongly believe day 1 flips will be of town.

What do people want me to say?
You all want me to change my opinion just to confirm?

You keep saying that we're getting a town flip today with like 100% confidence so I get why people are scum reading that. I know you think Day 1s are useless but you don't seem to think we have even the slightest shot at getting a red flip and that even if it is a green flip we get info from that as well? I don't understand why you're so resistant to that idea. It really doesn't make sense to disregard what can be gained.

[Galron]

I think I must just be missing something with geraintm

[Galron]

Wayward's drunk posting is a lot of AtE. It's hard to town read that.

[Galron]

Ohh. Spicy.

[Galron]

I think I must just be missing something with geraintm

Do you think they're playing

their town card

as scum here?

If what you mean is gera is replicating his town game as scum I think he does that when he's scum, yes. But I don't know how to judge his sincerity.. I mean I don't know that I've seen him this obstinate. It's like he's foreclosing all possibilities here and I dont know that scum blatantly does that. Especially when he begged to get night checked earlier in the game.

[Galron]

That first sentence doesn't make sense. Yes, I think he does mimic his town game as scum. But I think there are too many contra-indicators here.

[Galron]

You given up on your crescent theory?

[Galron]

I don't think I'd do crescent anyway but I'm curious

[Galron]

In fact, know what - going to try this wagon and see if anyone is interested. Happy to go back to someone else if it doesn't go anywhere.

VOTE: Porkens

Seems nobody is interested in Porkens this turn so I'll move back.

VOTE: Geraintm

What did you expect to happen in two hours and on the last day of the phase?

[Galron]

Spoiler:

All I can really do at the moment is occasional checkins until 10 when the meat of this gets started up but I will be clear on this:

My vote is never leaving Gera unless I get a convincing argument that his stance could have been an organically formed town process as opposed to scum slipping he knows too much, or unless I absolutely have to in order to make sure this day doesn't end in an NL.

As I see it, Gera flipping scum nearly town clears Galron, and Gera is by a wide margin my top pick for scum and was already one of my scumreads before this. I have no interest in passive arguments that dont address the point.

I have to be back in Synagogue tonight for Selichot and have to be up super early tomorrow so if we're not getting answers someone has to push for them in my stead. I should, however, be completely available for the last 10+ hours of the day.

Also, I researched 240, then this game, and have confirmed multiple things: Gera did effectively nothing to defend Meg at all in and even put a vote on him for a while before immediately unvoting when he hit -1 (I town read this oops). Meg's train was objectively bad, but he was afraid to actively defend Meg once Meg had already taken off. Galron's train in this game is better than Meg's train that game.

The other is... Galron is..

Probably town

based on Gera's play. What truly of reeks of scum Gera assuming town Galron is a virtually set in stone execution once he goes -1, and wanting to get credit out of 'I told you so" are two things: There are no adequate reasons in Gera's entire ISO to suggest a town read of Galron, and this sudden stance of "He's going to flip green" only appears

immediately after

Galron hits 5 votes. The argument is convenient, it's contradictory, and it's scum. I've already had a laundry list of reasons to suspect him today, but this feels like the proof.

VOTE: Gera

Yeah ok you can die now.

When this flips scum, 90% chance Drapion/Galron/Porkens are all town... Which actually worries me because I have faith in exactly 0 of these people to get anything done.

Anyway, I wish to see any conceivable explanation for how Gera could come to his perspective as town. The only possible way I see to assume there was no counterwagon would be to town read both Drapion and Porkens - Both players he has effectively ignored this entire time. Where does a town member with his non-reads get to this conclusion from? It does not flow with anything else he has said in the game. He's speaking in an absolute that displays an opinion that clearly contradicts his own play, and suggests he has knowledge he should not. I have been unable to think of a single viable argument that makes him town.

And I want to see Galron talk, because Gera's behavior does make it more likely for him to be town, but I want to see him do something based on

his own

merit. I am glad to see he is no longer -1, though.

And I do still think there's a sizeable chance Galron is just scum and has been trying to lurk out the day, so I no significant interest in letting him off the hook. He has effectively vanished from the game since being the lead vote.

Gera isn't a savvy enough player to fake that massive of a slip. He knows Drapion and Porkens are town and that's why he did nothing to challenge the vote. The only worry I have here is I'm not sure Gera would go to bat this hard for a scumbuddy who's -1 and not defending themselves. Gera did not do this in a nearly identical situation with Meg in 240 when he was inactive and running away with the votes.

'Cause I'm skimming. Like, I only actually read a fraction of your last post and my time for now is about to run out.

Gera flipping scum townclears 3 people and makes 2 others look good. Also practically townconfirms me to Boot. I'd call that a lot of info.

But here's a question: If Galron and Gera are town, why does scum Wayward jump so quickly in the first place? What's his motive for drawing potential scrutiny?

Crescent cased gera based on a slip and I guess I could see it but I don't see how a gera scum flip clears that many people. I'd vote gera over a no lim.

It just occurred to me that gera investigates as town maybe? That could be the reason for asking for a scan? Is that even a role?

[Galron]

No, but nothing is going anywhere..... no one is moving from

geraintm

,

Wayward

's wagon is also stuck.... I want a flip but can't be online after some time.
And I just unvote, but that doesn't mean I can't vote again.

Yeah I don't know. I want to see a vc.

[Galron]

No, but nothing is going anywhere..... no one is moving from

geraintm

,

Wayward

's wagon is also stuck.... I want a flip but can't be online after some time.
And I just unvote, but that doesn't mean I can't vote again.

Yeah I don't know. I want to see a vc.

lol I guess there's a relatively recent one.

[Galron]

Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Salsabil Faria, Shiidaji (E-1)
geraintm (3): Wayward Son, Crescent, NJAC
Galron (1): KittyTacky
MalcolmTucker (1): geraintm
Porkens (1): MalcolmTucker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in: 0 days, 10 hours, 8 minutes.

Geraintm needs to ditch the vanity wagon. Kitty too.

[Galron]

You're voting gera right malcom?

[Galron]

Yeah gunsmith is normal. I always have a hard time parsing traitors. I didn't think they were normal but wiki says they are.

[Galron]

I'm town reading salsa at this point I think. There doesn't seem to be an agenda there.

[Galron]

Millers investgate as guilty

[Galron]

Yeah I don't like my gera theory. It's too niche.

[Galron]

UNVOTE: Galron

Need some time.... I think I found something

If it’s about Wayward, NJAC or Shiji, I’ll push with you on them.

(Although if you push Wayward I can’t really push more then I already am.)
(Also, my vote is like probably staying on Wayward unless you can provide a stronger reasons for one of the other two.)

I don't think the other two are viable today but what do you see there

[Galron]

@NJAC Who's scum?

[Galron]

The only people who could do it are njac, you and kitty

Crescen?

[Galron]

I need to reorganize my thoughts.

Dude TF is NJAC’s post “oh do you think there isn’t 1 wolf in an 11 player game”
Dude if there was 1 wolf in an 11 player game I’d feel bad for the 1 wolf.

VOTE: NJAC

Prof where do you get that NJAC thinks there's one maf?

[Galron]

If you are a PR and die while claiming "town" I will be very sad.

We'll see. I kinda, sorta think you're Town.

“Kinda”
“Sorta”

This dude also doesn’t respond to my arguments against him because he’s caught wolf.

I'd guess Malcolm might be on to something. Yeah, I'm Town.

Bro if you say your town one more time I’m just going to consider you lock wolf.

My scum reads haven't changed, let Professor sort himself, but

don't wait too long.

Well, there is Salsabil, I wanna say she's Town, but I can't get it out of my mouth. You all have to decide.

Can we kill this dude.
Has has obvious wolf agenda.

It's not that I think Porkens is Town, I just think geraint is more likely to flip scum.

I gotta get some sleep, I'll be around before the DAY ends.

You love Ml’s don’t you?

Wayward's drunk posting is a lot of AtE. It's hard to town read that.

It’s wolfy.

Your confidence here mirrors geraintm's confidence.

Why did you claim when you did?

[Galron]

Prof if you don't want to talk about it okay but I'm seeing a pattern.

[Galron]

I feel like I'm starting to tunnel Prof to the exclusion of everyone else.

[Galron]

Malcom who does geraintm have partner equity with?

[Galron]

@malcolm.

i dont want day 1 eliminations. i believe town is best served not killing anyone and starting the game only 1 player down and with whatever night info they have, rather than 2 down.
i think everyone's thoughts on day 1 are pointless.
but you can use the info gained from actual actions - votes - on day 1 during day 2.
i think during day 1 all but the few scum (and in there are townies with extra info) are just waffling out of their arses everytime they say someone is scummy (and yes, i include myself in that). during day 1 you can't do anything with what anyone says, it is just pointless. i sit there and give out naughty points as place holders for when i think someone has done something i dont like and want to make a note that later on they can be used as something to return to - (which is what i should have done with you instead of voting).

but once we have a flip then we can start to piece the game together.
and that is what i am trying to do.

you cannot use the defence of "i didnt really want to eliminate wayward, look i said it!" whilst then actually voting for them. that is an action and i can make reads based off your actions.
you cannot say that you only voted them off because it provides more information, and then vote for me for using the very information you have provided for my reads!

How would you approach Day 2 without a lim on Day 1?

[Galron]

Spoiler:

looking at the wagons from day 1, i can only see the 2 main ones on Galron and Wayward Son. There was a minor one later on on me that had 3 people on it - 2 of whom are dead and the other was NJAC

Galron (4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker
that was Galron's
Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)
that was the hammer

All 4 on Galron either ended up on Watward Son - Town, or me - Also Town (yes yes, i knwo you lot don't know that but i do).

Those 4 would be where i would suggest there is a much higher chance of there being scum than not.

Why? Do you think Galron is town? If so why?

i suppose i subconsciously assumed galron was town, but i shouldnt have. i think i assume everyone is town for too long until given evidence (excepting Malcolm of course)
you could make the argument that a long wagon that gets cast aside in favour of one that ends up on town (and another minor one that is also town [me]) could make that slot more likely to be scum.

i should go back and reread galron's posts.

I think whoever steered the wagon away from Galron is scum with Galron.
VOTE: Galron

I'd argue Salsa and Shii were the two key switches onto Wayward which essentially killed off Galron's wagon. But I don't particularly scumread either of them and their reasoning were solid.

Myself and NJAC voted for Ger around that time too, which was the third possible wagon, but again our votes were reasonable based on what went before. Who specifically do you think is implicating from the Galron wagon withering away?

you can scum read people for their actions, even if they don't sound scummy.
need to check their votes on wayward (and others) and what their reasoning was and how badly their stink

After reading from page 26, I'm having a scenario in my mind.
What if

Crescent

&

Wayward

are scums & scum!

Crescent

is trying to save their partner here by creating another counter wagon on town!

geraintm

. As town-flip on

Galron

will directly point towards scum!

Wayward

, scum!

Crescent

don't have choice to start another counter wagon on another one (a little tin foil theory:

Wayward

can be a scum PR). In this case town!

geraintm

is a safe option for them because other players aren’t sure about

geraintm

and their play style is quite similar as both alignment & scum!

Crescent

know this pretty well to fabricate the scumread on them +

geraintm

entered the game by drawing attention towards

Crescent

.

Another thing is bugging me for a while that how

Crescent

is very sure about

Professor

&

Porkens

's alignment which I find TMIing from scum!them because in my eyes, those two don't do enough things yet to declare them townie tbh. Like in 653, 655 and may be in 656,

Crescent

continuously said

Professor

and

Porkens

are town based on

geraintm

's scum flip, then again said later that scum-flip on

geraintm

will indicate town!

Galron

+ slightly town cleared

Wayward

.
Now do you guys see who are left in the

cleared

list for

Crescent

? Those who don't be pocketed easily or townreading

Crescent

blindly.

By saying all of these, I think

Wayward

is a good elimination for town. I also don’t mind

Galron

but scum!

Crescent

's stance around it making be believe town!

Galron

scenario.

VOTE: Wayward

that was the Salsabil vote on wayward, moving off Galron.

They were still happy to have voted galron, but this vote does feel like it effectivly killed the galron wagon.

and i havent a clue what the logic is.
they start from the theory that wayward and crescent are scum....and then use that theory to vote for wayward. if they had started from a view that wayward was not scum, i dont htink you end up in a posistion to vote them. the post even seems to make the stronger case that crescent is scum, again built from the point of view that crescent is scum.

it is just awful logic. these peopel are scum, and i worked that out by assuming they were scum.
remember, both these people turn up as town. and the other person they've tied into the logic is me, also town.

Salsa you beat me to it I've been having Crescent-Wayward in the back of my mind as a potential team for a bit and I'm glad someone else might feel the same way. Though posts like 438 that show them interacting are what make me doubt it since I feel like scum wayward might not slot buddy Cres in as town there + Cres's questioning the TR feels town.

UNVOTE: Gal consider this a vote for wayward, I'll follow up in the morning since I don't know what the count's at rn

@Shiidaji

, vote

Wayward

Ya sure

oki xo sweet dreams VOTE: wayward

those were Shiidaji's vote on wayward, and some wrap around posts.
that is even less effort than Salsabil's

In fact, nothing is changing now, best to just go for it. Sorry Wayward, but if you're town should hopefully help us solve going forward.

VOTE: Wayward Son

Agreed, should be informative D2 I think if Wayward is town.

these are malcolm's hammer vote on wayward.
that is low, low effort. if this is scum then it has the reluctant "i suppose i need to hammer but i think they are scum" vibes to it.
they hinted at if it was a green flip, then Day 2 would be intersting, but they (to me) seem to have just focussed on me for my day 1 actions.

overall, i can see there being a high chance of scum in the grouping of Salsabil, shiidaji and malcolm, and GAlron potentially as the scum wagon that got derailed.
i dont think i'll be voting outside that group today

Geraintm you're unable to post any of this without the Day 1 flip.

[Galron]

I'll refine this later when I get home but I've come around to Malcolm, shiidaji, salsa solid town. Everyone else null or scum.

[Galron]

Yeah I'll get there njac

[Galron]

I'm sorry I"m just not feeling like this right now but it did occur to me that kitty's lack of reassessment or I guess unwillingness to look anywhere else is anti-town. They suss Porkens as being a partner of mine but their read on me is a sheep read. There is no independent thought there. They're basing the entire game on me being scum as suspected by someone else. There is no thought of who could be scum outside of a scum!galron world.

That being said they say they hyperfocus on things and that it's nai. I've played just one game with kitty and they were scum reading me throughout that game, although it didn't seem as intense, and I was town there too. So I'm really on the fence as to whter this is scummy or just anti-town.

[Galron]

kitty do you have any stratification to your reads?

[Galron]

@Galron: 314 and 535 were addressed to you. Please answer.

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

What did you mean here with "gunslinger" and why did you say that?

I don't know why this is importatn but Prof seems to accuse/vote and then examine it. Like shoot first and ask questions later.

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As a rep in it doesn't do much for early game analysis but I'm going to archive this for later on. Thanks!

@Galron: what insights did you get from that game about scum!Porkens' play?

I didn't get anything because porkens was a rep in and their part was late game.

[Galron]

I don't wantnto vote porkens
I think I want to VOTE: malcolm

I don't like this vote. As others have said we don't need another vanity day from you.

[Galron]

Yeah actually no I don’t think you are scum.

HEY WHOS WILLING TO SHOOT THE MOON WITH ME?

VOTE: malcom e-3

What is going on with this.

[Galron]

Ah okay. This game has lacked a sense of humor for sure.

[Galron]

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

[Galron]

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

[Galron]

i have ruled out a slot today, because if they thought they saw a crumbed claim or whatever and decided to not eliminate me last night, then i have them as strong town. that is my logic

being pushed by someone because i am focused on one slot and don't want to go elsehwere..well i can't really do much about that because the person pushing me is the person i have as scum when i know i would flip green.
they helpfully dont mention that the wagon i am sitting on is them

These are just so vague that I can't make anything of them. Why won't you use names and specifics?

[Galron]

Hmm... what exactly NJAC did to change your read on them, @Galron?

It hasn't changed so much as they're bouncing from town to null and back and forth. I had some doubts yesterday morning but going through their iso and seeing them push back against people seems I guess not super townie but at the least not scummy.

I'd like to know the Prof's case though. He seems to be darting around it.

[Galron]

I'll try to come back before deadline but I'll be busy, so no promises.

VOTE: geraintm

E-2

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

My brain is trying to process ger's posting as scum but I think his style of posting is preventing me from it. Galron can you point me at what ger posts you were looking at in post 1202? atm I prefer NJAC before Porkens or much less ger. I'll be around to check in within the next 6 hrs, deadline's during my sleepytime.

I can't cite specific posts where I am and I don't think I really need to tbh but his entire play today snacks of something that goes beyond anti town. His tunnel on Malcolm okay fine I get it he thinks Malcom is scum. But to stay on a vanity wagon without even 1% curiosity about anyone else and knowing from practically the beginning of the day, despite multiple people telling him how that advances a town wincon exactly zero is either an extremely stubborn townie, which I thought given his stubbornness day 1, or scum. Regardless he can't be counted on and really needs to go. What sucks is that if he is town we possibly go into tomorrow in elo and that puts pressure on everyone else. But if any alternative to gera is town I'd really rather have them at elo the way it's going.

[Galron]

we possibly go into tomorrow in elo

[Galron]

I was hoping there would be a flip by now.

[Galron]

Ahh well I'm going back to bed

[Galron]

I don't think Prof starts that wagon as scum.

[Galron]

These conversations seems avoiding associativity types.

What is this.

[Galron]

Salsa could have bussed but that’s only if there is a wolf on the wagon it would be them.
Porkens is lock town to me rn

Scum!me wouldn't hammer genius, I would aim for the opposite wagon or even better, no-elimination

I mean it really depends.
What the other wolf role is.
How safe you thought you were.
If ending the day immediately with a hammer is a good call in that scenario and you thought they were going to go over anyway so needed to make sure you were on it so you didn’t look bad.

Etc.

Well they popped in and out several times there. Why not just make the vote and like they said shrug at a hammer or a no lim?

[Galron]

I think it's

Galron

.... At the end of the day they changed their read on

NJAC

& had them townie.

Btw, why the nk bizarre?

Kitty

claimed tpr.

I didn't really change my read as I explained n what you quoted so I don't know what you're on about.

[Galron]

I've got a lot of omgus if that's what you're asking.

[Galron]

Checking in. Bbl

[Galron]

Galron

,

Salsabil

is at E-1

Why post this?

[Galron]

I still don't see why scum!salsa hammers.

[Galron]

Galron sing to me!!!

Do you want a ballad or a rocker?

[Galron]

Prof why are you town reading me?

[Galron]

Yeah I know it comes down to a townie vibe, which at this point isn't a real good reason. That's why I asked.

[Galron]

Yeah I know it comes down to a townie vibe, which at this point isn't a real good reason. That's why I asked.

Who are you scum reading?

I'm pretty sure it's Prof at this point and that he's just white knighting.

[Galron]

work super busy limited access until tonight/tomorrow mornin

Shiidaji why do you town read Prof>

[Galron]

Lol game should be over.

[Galron]

No redactions

[Galron]

It was unfortunate that the end of D2 was during my sleeping time. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw that I was about to get hammered so claimed, and I had some convincing arguments to explain why I chose Kitty, but I needed to go back to sleep, and I never imagined that town was going to hammer a claimed investigative role. That was decisive for the game, so well done Town, specially Porkens and Salsa.

Thank you, you did really well too

And I never would have guess that

Porkens

was a PR!

@Galron

, how did you catch that?

There's a post at the beginning of the game. I quoted it in the maf pt. I wasn't sure what it was but it looked like a crumb. I actually thought you were PR and was going to block you but I backed off of that when I couldn't find anything and blocked Porkens instead.

[Galron]

I really thought me going after Prof again would make him townread me more and would spur him to push someone harder to vote Salsa so I could hammer but that backfired. After NJAC was killed it really felt a bit hopeless. I knew we had to be dealing with either one super strong PR or two decently strong PRs in addition to Kitty (I'm not sure of the utility of townie ascetic without something for the player to do) and I didn't believe Prof's claim.

[Galron]

But yeah Prof hammered me instead of helping me so welp.