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The second night was to prop me up so I would do your bad push.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So I kinda want to put the idea out and see if it has merit based on reactions.
If it doesn’t have merit I back off.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Should have said third night.In post 2595, skitter30 wrote:
What happened last night then?In post 2589, MathBlade wrote:
I think your scum kill failed the first night.In post 2585, Firebringer wrote:
so my dastardly plan was to no kill 2 nights. back up mathblade doc claim with a fake claim.In post 2583, skitter30 wrote:I also think it's fire fwiw
Then say someone is trying to frame u.
Got it.
I am a genius
The second night was a no kill to frame whoever you jailkept meaning that we would look at a Kitty or a Val. It’s only a matter of if you’re scum or not.
By hypothesizing I can get reactions
Second night not sure
Something doesn’t add up and my lunch break is overScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Datisi setups are fun!
Anyone else who says otherwise is scum claiming.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You town?In post 2625, Freedom wrote:
Do you think that Ydra is scum?In post 2624, Toto wrote:MEEEHHHH
So you didn't think checking Scol on N1 was worth it. Or pooky/skitter on N2
This is a very unfortunate and convenient sequence of events.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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But the ??? Is funIn post 2629, Firebringer wrote:math u knowing datisi setups makes me go ???? for all ur attempts at trying to figure out the setup now.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You scum fire?In post 2631, Firebringer wrote:its fun until u let it absorb how u make reads.....
U should know better
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VOTE: Kittytacky
I cast kitty summoning noises.
Give your thoughts.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I just want to summon Kitty for thoughts. A vote works. No idea if she’s scum or maybe I think it *shrug*ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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VOTE: Unvote
adding UNVOTE: for the vote counter. ~DLast edited by Datisi on Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:59 am, edited 2 times in total.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why did you not visit me who was an openly claimed TP?In post 2676, KittyTacky wrote:
I'm an ascetic watcher. All mafias are ninjas so I tried to confirm TI or TP roles, to no avail.In post 2657, Toto wrote:
You need to claimIn post 2654, KittyTacky wrote:
Yeah my eval of skitter depends on that info.In post 2546, MathBlade wrote:I kinda want to hear ydrasse’s info. It could be scum didn’t think I had a shot and shot at FB?
Or FB is just lying and is scum in order to clear himself.
N1 - pooky, nobody visited
N2 - Val89, nobody visited
N3 - Toto, nobody visited
I am useless.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Fair. Got some thinking to do.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am sorry for misgendering you sir.In post 2686, KittyTacky wrote:
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP THINKING I AM A GRILIn post 2646, MathBlade wrote:I just want to summon Kitty for thoughts. A vote works. No idea if she’s scum or maybe I think it *shrug*ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I don’t think I agree with this.In post 2695, Toto wrote:So we lim Herta, if town we lim Skitter, if both town we NL, then ELO --- IDK but Val/Freedom atp? depends which claimed PRs are left I guess. If we lose we blame loss on herta/skitter for tunneling each other all game.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That Herta v Skitter is TVS/SVT for starters.In post 2699, Toto wrote:
Which part?In post 2697, MathBlade wrote:
I don’t think I agree with this.In post 2695, Toto wrote:So we lim Herta, if town we lim Skitter, if both town we NL, then ELO --- IDK but Val/Freedom atp? depends which claimed PRs are left I guess. If we lose we blame loss on herta/skitter for tunneling each other all game.
I think we finally hit the crux of the mechanics and I want to chew on it before going full steam ahead.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I want Val I think personally.In post 2701, Toto wrote:K, I guess let's decide who we flip today. I think I want to go in herta/freedom/val
I don't want to leave Ydra/Skitter uncheked till ELO
I think I want to see where Ydra/Skitter fall on one more flip.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Because I think Ydra+Skitter or Val+Freedom is where I am at.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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More a PoE thing.In post 2705, Freedom wrote:
Why is Val aligned with me?In post 2704, MathBlade wrote:Because I think Ydra+Skitter or Val+Freedom is where I am at.
Ydra and Skitter likely share the same alignment. I just think it’s probably town because I don’t think if scum know Skitter was jailkept they link both players together because ydra claimed one shot there’s no mechanical reason not to elim. So with no juicy incentive to stay away a plan to elim there loses scum the game.
Instead both could have stayed quiet and came up with a better plan. Maybe it was scum being reckless but I doubt it.
If we don’t hit scum today I would support an elim on either as policy.
But it’s more likely just Val+1.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=CheckerIn post 2710, Herta wrote:
Doesn't checker fall into that category?In post 2608, Freedom wrote:
I'm not Ydra but I doubt that it would as Ninja only affects roles that are Tracker/Watcher-like.In post 2607, Herta wrote:If scum are ninjas would that confuse your result ydra?
It does according to the wiki.
So nevermind on that.
It seems disloyal checker is kinda useless lmao
We should ask Datisi if that’s how he rules it.
There’s a paragraph that says it’s tracked likeScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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My brain is hurting so I wrote a PM to Datisi
That’s easier than trying to do the calculations on limited sleep.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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We will see what he says if he can answer it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Okay so if Toto is truthtelling then
Ydrasse would receive a succeeded and checked [playername] on mafia.
And on town Ydrasse would receive a fail.
So either Ydrasse and Skitter share an alignment or scum no killed and FB blocked Ydrasse.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And since Toto is IC I am assuming Toto is truthtelling.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Assume Ydrasse town. Then it can be reasonably inferred that Ydrasse isn’t lying about the check and it’s result. The only way Ydrasse gets that result is Skitter town.In post 2725, Toto wrote:
I'm not parsing this. I'm of course telling the truth about all mafias being ninjas, but what does my truthtelling have to do with this?In post 2716, MathBlade wrote:Okay so if Toto is truthtelling then
Ydrasse would receive a succeeded and checked [playername] on mafia.
And on town Ydrasse would receive a fail.
So either Ydrasse and Skitter share an alignment or scum no killed and FB blocked Ydrasse.
Why do they need to share alignment necessarily?
Assume Ydrasse scum. Ydrasse claimed one shot. Therefore in every possible world, we elim Ydrasse before Skitter. If Ydrasse scum Skitter town the fake claim was of no benefit as we probably elim Skitter. The fake claim only serves a benefit if we don’t elim either one which makes them the same alignment.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I tend to not ask questions in thread to mods as generally they prefer them in PM.In post 2728, Toto wrote:Can you just ask the mod to clarify the thing in thread?
If he answers in thread I have no problem copying my question and paraphrasing it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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My questions were that and town. If you still want the paraphrase let me know.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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4 is misleadingIn post 2736, Toto wrote:Ok, so if Ydra is town then:
1.1) Skitter is town.
1.2) Ydra got roleblocked
1.3) Skitter is scum ascetic
If scum!ydra
2.1) Ydra trying to save scum buddy skitter who got jk
2.2) Ydra trying to get town cred by innoing town!skitter.
If I remember the sequence of events was:
1) Ydra crumbed PR
2) Ydra got pressured to claim multiple times
3) On D3 everyone was alive
4) Crucially - Ydra crumbed "I have an inno", followed by "Skitter inno, kinda",beforeFB claimed jailkeeping Skitter.
I think 4 makes 2.2 less likely. But there is a wacky scenario where Ydra+FB are scumbuddies and planned all this. I have a feeling pooky needed to go on vacation and asked his team to bus him.
4 was only AFTER the no kill announcement. So scum would know jailkept/no kill/hit FB before FB’s claim.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That’s kinda why I scumread Fire. His play is Townie but I think they sacrificed the kill to elim Skitter in a scum FB world. I just can’t find his partner in that world. I suppose you + FB is possible.In post 2738, Val89 wrote:I think Ydrasse was over-blowing it somewhat to call herself 'self-resolving', particularly if one shot, but I do also think she is just town here.
Given the claims on the table, unless someone has some insight I'm missing, I see no reason it was so important for us to know of the existence of mafia ninjas as to need an informed IC if her claim isn't legit - nothing else interacts, as far as I can see.
I don't think I am so sure it's a legit inno on Skitter, however. I don't have much, if any, experience with normal balance considerations, but for the scum team to be only ninjas seems too town-sided to be legit even for my inexperienced sensibilities. Clearly they have some power, and ascetic, and therefore functioning as a false inno seems like a legit but 'complex' way to bring things back in balance.
I just think the inno is incredibly likely. We can always just have me doc Kitty and Kitty check if Skitter is ascetic and that world should be clear I think.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The only thing that gives me doubt is Kitty didn’t claim ascetic start of the game. Which I guess me healing Kitty won’t work but I still think Kitty checking Skitter is best possible result.In post 2676, KittyTacky wrote:
I'm an ascetic watcher. All mafias are ninjas so I tried to confirm TI or TP roles, to no avail.In post 2657, Toto wrote:
You need to claimIn post 2654, KittyTacky wrote:
Yeah my eval of skitter depends on that info.In post 2546, MathBlade wrote:I kinda want to hear ydrasse’s info. It could be scum didn’t think I had a shot and shot at FB?
Or FB is just lying and is scum in order to clear himself.
N1 - pooky, nobody visited
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I am useless.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is one of those things that it’s hard to know without FB flipped.In post 2742, Ydrasse wrote:if kitty's an ascetic watcher than i think it raises the chance slightly of ascetic mafia? it feels like it mirrors if not having an active way to stop everyone from doing things? i not very good at setup spec so unsure if that tracks
If an ascetic scum exists then the no kills are either on who I doccd/FB jailkept or intentional no kill(s). There would be no reason not to send the ascetic mafia each kill.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Correct all protectives fail.In post 2743, Val89 wrote:Someone double check my understanding of how "macho" works, but that means that a Jailkeep would not act as a protective if they locked up Toto, correct?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What makes you say FB is informed?In post 2746, Val89 wrote:Well, at least that means there is a valid reason to make FB informed if town as well, in a "don't bother wasting your ability on the IC" way.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You just feel slimy.In post 2749, Val89 wrote:
I think I am going to have to ask you to justify your scumread on me at this point.In post 2739, MathBlade wrote:I just can’t find his partner in that world. I suppose you + FB is possible.
I could sort of see why I might be wrongly suspected today in the sense that I was townreading, and thus avoiding the wagon on the only flipped scum, and I was involved in both town mislims, but I don't understand why you think I'm the only possible partner for a scum!fb.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s pretty simple. You feel wrong.In post 2752, Val89 wrote:I'm not sure how that answers the question.
FB is my mechanical read.
Brain read + gut read = good start.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That wouldn’t explain no deaths.In post 2753, Toto wrote:K so here is my new wacky theory:
1) Skitter is a mafia ascetic ninja roleblocker. She tried to block Math.
2) Ydra is a mafia ninja. They shot FB.
No one is dead. So the know one of them must have gotten roleblocked. Ydra claims works regardless of which of them, which is why they can claim earlier than FB.
I'm just paranoid here because I feel Ydra's claim today was a bit... theatrical.
If I was roleblocked then FB would be dead in that world.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Doesn’t work. Ascetic is immune to everything but kills.In post 2758, Toto wrote:v2.0
p-edit: skitter got jkept so you didn't.In post 2753, Toto wrote:K so here is my new wacky theory:
1) Skitter is a mafiaasceticninja roleblocker. She tried to block Math.
2) Ydra is a mafia ninja. They shot FB.
No one is dead. So the know one of them must have gotten roleblocked. Ydra claims works regardless of which of them, which is why they can claim earlier than FB.
I'm just paranoid here because I feel Ydra's claim today was a bit... theatrical.
So Skitter would have jailkept me
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That’s logically possible but I don’t find it possible.In post 2761, Toto wrote:yeah which is why removed ascetic in 2.0
I think Ydrasse claims more than 1 shot in that world.
Because eventually we elim Ydrasse here it’s a matter of when. Ydrasse then flips scum, then we question why the inno.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Don’t find it probable*ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I’m just having trouble believing two town informed roles.
Like my mech brain is really struggling with Fire’s claim.
But if I don’t believe Fire then scum no killed twice which is even worse.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am ninja Doctor. That won’t work.In post 2773, Toto wrote:If we believe the claims.
I think the most natural course of action was doctor and watcher target me on N1, watcher learns doc is town 100%. JK targets elsewhere because he knows I'm macho.
Can the watcher ever see the JK?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I don’t really see them as scum though.In post 2775, Toto wrote:My head aches. Lets just lim herta+freedom.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What if we are making this too hard and scum shot IV twice?In post 2381, innocentvillager wrote:Think freedom might need to be looked at later too. Not sure.
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I doctored IV N1 and N2 and Fire N3.In post 2810, Herta wrote:
Wym?In post 2809, MathBlade wrote:
What if we are making this too hard and scum shot IV twice?In post 2381, innocentvillager wrote:Think freedom might need to be looked at later too. Not sure.
VOTE: Freedom
We assume scum shot me. But if fire claimed to block me and is scum Fire Freedom works too.
Because then IV would be the threat. That was his last D2 post.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Because I am not a respected town player. I get mocked…a lotIn post 2827, Toto wrote:Math, respectfully, I think the simpler solution is Fire/Freedom shot you down N2. Why would they not?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I was. But then I started looking at simpler answers since I don’t see how with the premises I had things added up.In post 2839, skitter30 wrote:
I'm confused, werent you townreading fire yesterday for you not dying n2?In post 2826, MathBlade wrote:
I doctored IV N1 and N2 and Fire N3.In post 2810, Herta wrote:
Wym?In post 2809, MathBlade wrote:
What if we are making this too hard and scum shot IV twice?In post 2381, innocentvillager wrote:Think freedom might need to be looked at later too. Not sure.
VOTE: Freedom
We assume scum shot me. But if fire claimed to block me and is scum Fire Freedom works too.
Because then IV would be the threat. That was his last D2 post.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Mainly the lack of nightkill.In post 2845, Toto wrote:What doesn't add up?
If we assume Skitter and FB not scum => scum shot FB (who I said I was protecting) or no killed. They could kill Toto. I don’t find this likely.
If we assume Skitter scum it’s with Ydrasse exactly => But then Ydrasse came up with a fake claim on D2 that would get her executed today or tomorrow, flip red, and then exe skitter.
Or Skitter is town FB scum who on N3 no killed as a gambit and on N2 went for IV => This world is an FB Freedom world. Freedom because that’s who IV suspected. But this also has the flaw of scum shooting IV over me. This is the least problematic as I had fake claimed one shot a jokey bit in case.
All the worlds don’t add up but FB Freedom is the least problematic.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yeah or a Herta/Val or Herta/you (first list but it seems rare)ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Because I did act that night.In post 2859, skitter30 wrote:
This doesnt make sense at all to meIn post 2857, skitter30 wrote:Why would you think fire blocked an nk on you if you had acted that night
I have been intentionally cagey about how many shots I do and don’t have which contributes to my SR of Fire.
I don’t know if I am blocked because the nature of doctor.
But I do know what I submitted.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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If you think I am town then IV was shot at N1 or scum no killed which is uhhhIn post 2865, Ydrasse wrote:iv could stand to go down into an iv tier but i feel like he's put his neck out in places where he really doesn't have to for people recently, he's not being looked at or anything and also he was potentially shot at (?) so
i feel better about kittytacky strictly on mechanical purposes and also my super early read, i feel like ascetic watcher makes sense but i wish we knew earlier about the ascetic part, i probably would move kt up if we had because it does come at a time where it's like... hmmm. but that's probably paranoia lol
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Assume Skitter scum and Ydrasse fake inno. Then something messed with her checks.In post 2876, Val89 wrote:
Why?In post 2847, MathBlade wrote:If we assume Skitter scum it’s with Ydrasse exactly
If Skitter Ascetic there’s no reason skitter isn’t doing kills every night so 3 no deaths is excessive so that’s out.
Then the only way that works is if FB blocked Ydrasse as scum to prevent the “confirm”. But then scum no kill here is the only viable option. But scum no kill to frame scum doesn’t make sense because Skitter + FB aren’t hard bussing for cred. So this one is out.
So if Skitter is scum then it has to be with Ydrasse so I always flip Ydrasse first.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I don’t think there has to beIn post 2846, Freedom wrote:
Agreed.In post 2843, skitter30 wrote:*she
Well fire and ydra are both claiming they think i'm town after their actions last night, which is kinda ??? to me
Like i certainly don't mind but something feels off here
I think that there's at least 1 scum in {you, Fire, Ydra}.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Quite honestly my shot is freedom in that pool and kinda is where I am at.
I think Kitty + one is possible. The invest would find the PRs that are needed to die.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I would do VCA at that point. I would revisit this if a wagon on you picks up steam.In post 2894, Freedom wrote:Math, when I flip Town, who would you think scum is?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I have a work fire. Maybe VLA for the rest of the day.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That’s the main reason I can’t drop the Firebringer world.
But I think it’s more likely Firebringer isn’t a protective at all and wanted to frame someone.
I think Firebringer came up with that idea when he said I should be on him.
I have been keeping my shots close to the vest (for obvious reasons) but I think Fire’s plan was to frame Skitter.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think the world in an FB scum world is that FB scum thought I was one shot, shot IV again the following night, they didn’t need to shoot me because they thought me VT.
Then when IV didn’t die and I am not dead, he needed me in his pocket, so he asked me to heal him.
Then scum intentionally no killed to frame Skitter not expecting the Ydrasse inno.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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VOTE: FirebringerScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think Freedom is scum purely based on gut. If we're looking int he wrong place being agreeable is a common scum tactic. I've done it before.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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But i don't think Freedom scum thinks we have the cajones to elim Fire so it's a simple "townie" vote.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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There's certain things mods tend not to do in 14 P Let's just say firebringer being JK is one of them given my role I just find it unlikely.
But maybe it's the angry orchard talking but I think a Fire elim would be well FireScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I mean 13 P I guess I can't count...Maybe 314 P Who is counting anyway XDScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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