Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup friends ill catch up after USA smokes Iran

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fuck caught alrdy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

awoooooooo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

look at this filthy vibes poster

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unwnd has forgotten the name of his father

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hope u feel better dann

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u going to engage here or what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

talk to me about your unwnd read

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

susp

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i worry for his soul

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we talked for several hours about how he's dissatisfied with mafia because he can't write long wallposts and how he needs to find himself and i rep in and find him vibeposting with you lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky it hurts me to say this but i need... i need more before i can trust you ...

hurtful towards me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

look at him instead of engaging with my readlist and telling me what he agrees with or doesn't agree with he's there just sitting on the floor rocking back and forth hugging his knees mumbling gibberish

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky it hurts me to say this but i need... i need more before i can trust you ...

hurtful towards me

Not my fault u got the scummy rep slot

this slot is town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hi skitts <3 no paranoia pls i towb this time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok what do u disagree with

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

look at him instead of engaging with my readlist and telling me what he agrees with or doesn't agree with he's there just sitting on the floor rocking back and forth hugging his knees mumbling gibberish

Your scol read surprised me

go on

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think scol continues to be fine. His first string of posts were hearkened by the thought of 'these are face value assumptions', but I liked it of it's..imperfection. They're imperfect because they just state a problem he sees but there isn't like this additive layer to it. It's a lot of 'this behavior is x or y' which would be more troublesome if they weren't followed by reads or votes. I'm a fan

this is like level 0 scumplay

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just rereading the iso again it looks like he's more interested in pushing and consolidating his position in thread than actually sorting anyone.

posts are heavy on declarative statements and light on interaction/sorting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Herta's very stilted as scum - here the flow feels natural

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That's a bit harsh because he does have a structure to his posts that is lacking in some other individuals. I think that's what read it more favorably compared to other posters

Like I don't get why you like Herta of all people

yea he has structure but look at interactions -

he has

0 real time sorting/engagement to sort

lots of declarative statements dressed up to look fancier than they actually are

low desire to really be in the thread and talk out reads with the people he is "townreading"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean we can just dunk on dannflor first if you feel strongly about scol

i think they have p high partner equity with each other

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hyyyyyype

VOTE: scol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

0 real time sorting/engagement to sort

lots of declarative statements dressed up to look fancier than they actually are

low desire to really be in the thread and talk out reads with the people he is "townreading"

Not being here in realtime is not a scumtell ...

this game started a week ago do you see him trying to have a conversation with anyone at any point about anything

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what other reads of mine do you disagree with and why

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Testarossa had a bad iso before replacing out and pooky's is even worse.

explain

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you going to explain

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you going to explain

No, I don't think you're a town, and the way you collapsed off your pedestal as soon as I showed up and you are now dancing around my slot makes me think you are quite afraid of the repercussions of provoking me.

I'm giving you a fair chance to convince me you're town by explaining your thought process

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he is both an alt and a gimmick player and the way he's engaging with the thread is very ++scum for him I'm not going to alt out him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why are you townreading all of:me, herta, freedom, and unwnd

you just feel pretty townie to me

like peta says you're just kind of an easy read

the way I read you is mostly looking at your posts - comparing to thread and seeing if you're keeping up and generally how much you want to be here. if you feel like you want to be here/engage I slot you as town. You have issues keeping up with the thread this starts looking worse. Granted this isn't the fastest moving game so its not like foolproof way to slot you rn it still feels to me like you are engaged in the game and actually enjoying playing. I know I am biased because your last two scum games you kind of flaked out and those were larges moving at p fast speed but I think this is closer to how you looked in the coalition run than either of those scum games.

herta is very stilted as mafia, he doesn't really flow into the thread, it's like the guy at the party who has a drink in his hand but isn't involved in any of the conversations.

freedom is town because when he's scum, his questions are agenda-y and you can sort of see where he's trying to push something - here he's just kind of asking random things and popping in to say things.

unwnd is town because his play is completely perpendicular to his scum play - it is unstructured and freeflowing in a way that I don't think he really enjoys doing in general and especially as scum because chaos is the enemy of making plans.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you analyze scol's posting in response to me.

you should notice this is very scum motivated from him and completely rooted in defensive omgus

every read he is "making" is based on "Pooky is scum" therefore.

There's no actual explanation of why Pooky is scum or why Pooky engages or what is bad about Pooky's iso.

There's no meat behind the thought process - it's mostly this person is trying to kill me so I'm going to call them scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what emotion am I appealing to

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he is both an alt and a gimmick player and the way he's engaging with the thread is very ++scum for him I'm not going to alt out him

Pookythebear has no idea who I am. This is an attempt to clutter up the thread because he's worried now.

also wtf am i supposed to be worried about exactly

I voted for you.

and then

<<blank happened>>

and now you're saying I'm worried because ???

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky why are you scum reading me

because scol is the type of player that I would expect you to have commented on if you're town but you haven't mentioned his name even once and that feels like how you would treat a partner who is being difficult to deal with.

your takes this game feel like the lack the kind of depth and precision I'd expect from you if you're town - they are more or less surface level and tonight is really the first time you've actually engaged into the game and it feels like a game state where you+scol are coasting and not really suspected would fit that play from you/scol scum team as you don't need to really get your hands dirty because there's no real pressure.

similarly scol just slots you at neutral and that's strange to me because it should be strange to him the way you enter this thread if he's town - it's like neither of you are very interested in each other.

the way you're pushing back on the scol wagon rn actually feels very teamed to me.


For comparison:

You enter the thread at 161:



The leading wagon is 4 church/2 herta/2 gera and you're just kind of nonchalantly strolling in and saying you think church is town because reasons you don't want to say and throw out a "solve" then vote unwnd.

Like is like p much just stereotypical scum strolling into a game thread that he doesn't see any need to do anything because townies r getting voted and no stakes are involved and its early so who really cares right?

compare that to how you enter here when the votes are on Scoli:



Differences are night and day - you come in with a big push against Herta - pretty standard chainsaw attack and you withhold your read on me because you're not sure whether you can get me to back off your partner or whether he will go down in flames today. If anything it's not a great look for you if I say you/scoli are partners together and you just immediately jump to chainsawing his direct main pusher who susps you and him because that's more or less suicide for your team.

and an issue is that you have never even expressed an opinion on Scoli prior to today - he's just completely missing in your iso. Instead of expressing why Scoli is town or explaining a town-read and disagreement, you are trying to attack Herta and doubting the reasoning without explaining why it's wrong - the argumentation you use is to narrow down into one element of the case and say oh well that's not actually scummy without examining the complete body of work from scoli and explaining what you think is actually

townie

about the slot. the way you kick into motion when you recognize the danger that if I flip Scoli today I could easily come after you tommorrow feels night and day different from the way you entered thread when Church was at 4 votes - there's actually stakes in this for you here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I guess if you want the TLDR dann scum case it's that I expect Dann!Town to care about the direction of dayplay and he hasn't felt like he's cared in the ISO I skimmed and there's a giant glaring hole where Scoli is and as soon as Scoli is under actual pressure he pops up and starts caring.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you going to actually explain thought process or just say "screenshots scummy"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm trying really hard to see things from your POV but I can't quite get there.

Scoli let's imagine for a moment that you are town and you scumread Pooky and Skitter. [Those evil animal scum!]

You have your vote on Skitter.

A person that you townread[let's say unwnd] comes up to you in the thread and says "hey I don't think Pooky is scum because

reasons

You explain to Unwnd, well your reasons are bad because _____ and here's why I think Pooky is scum.

That person then says to you "hmm I guess you have a point!" and then votes for Pooky putting him at 2 votes - which is more votes than Skitter.

Do you at this point.

(A) vote for Pooky who you believe is scum and put him at 3 and work towards getting this person you think is mafia eliminated

or

(B) keep your vote on skitter solo and just nod at Unwnd and say "Good day sir"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what back and forth the dude has literally taken a vow of silence when it comes to interacting with me

i do want your opinion on my danncase tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pookythebear's wallpost shows a fear to post in the thread

it's difficult for me to believe these are real thoughts going through his head and not just the product of an AI generator giving him random shit to say.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

UNVOTE:

this is too deranged for me I'm going to think about my life choices

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm going to sort the rest of this game and then come back to you because I don't think a conversation with you is going to actually help me sort you in any way other than make me tilted and want to murder you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Erm, so the Dann/Scol pairing is debased now pooky?

I'm gonna talk to Dann when he has time and figure it out.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I prefer flipping either Scoli or Gera to flipping Herta.

@Dann do you have any reasons to townread Scoli other than that you don't like how Herta voted there?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't see Herta's vote on Scoli as scummy because I would kind of expect Town!Herta to just sheep me atp in the game because I don't see anything more compelling to do for him - you're saying its oppurtunistic/scum motivated but I don't see why Herta!Town would be compelled by my reasoning and decide to sheep me.

are my points against scoli unreasonable for him to believe in?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean he tried the over the top screaming I'm scum and nobody bit so why wouldn't he back off and try resetting since omgusing and lamisting wasn't working? if he just keeps ranting it's not likely to work out great for him and just spews me town if he flips there?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It feels like you're twisting yourself a bit to say that this behavior is not as bad as it looks and that herta's vote is really bad when I don't see why Herta as town doesn't make that vote given how scummy scoli looks in his flailing?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think him saying "well you guys can flip me you already know my reads" is basically lamist and throwing in the towel on the overconfident omgus approach and like 0 people voted for me so its p obvious atp that it wasnt working out for him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my point is that it was evident to scoli atp that his approach of calling me scared scum and hard omgusing wasnt working and he would know this regardless of his alignment so changing tack is something he would do atp rationally as either alignment and thus not a point for him being town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think him saying "well you guys can flip me you already know my reads" is basically lamist and throwing in the towel on the overconfident omgus approach and like 0 people voted for me so its p obvious atp that it wasnt working out for him.

yeah

I'm not really as opposed to the scoliosis wagon anymore especially knowing their identity

I still think Herta is pretty scummy though and I feel like you're hyper focused on their vote, I kinda have a problem with Herta's whole ISO

ok but herta's vote is what drew you to voting for him and readflipping on him.

previously you had claimed that he was town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but like if you don't agree with that there are also other issues you haven't really addressed

like I feel your summation of herta's scum meta matches perfectly with what they are doing here?

I'll read his scum game again I'm mostly just going off memory from when I played with him on his other account.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont really think thats flavor leaf

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: gera

his catchup feels like spammy antispew because its chock full of random half assed self meta and literally no discussion of who we should be killing other than him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don’t think anyone is actually unreadable d1 but i think some people are just harder reads

Briar is unreadable d1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm willing to take a chance on your reads IV

VOTE: Geraintm

naughty point number 2 for you

[naughty points for Dannflor (2), SKitter, Unwnd and Scolosis]

this post pings me because why does gera say Scoli is being naughty but doesn't vote for scoli or like literally anyone on this naughty list when scoli is the most viable counterwagon to him?

like maybe if scoli is town here gera doesn't want to spew him as town if he thinks there's a good chance he goes down here and removes scoli as a viable mis-lim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ydra who are you going to kill or you planning on just sipping your coffee and laughing at us plebes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i was working on that until u rudely interrupted

wow I see I'll just go back to bed I guess

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are a spirit of chaos

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually would be more fun for gera to vote scoli, val/skitter to vote split and then you get to play god

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I aint voting for anyone at the moment, day one sucks and is worse than random at finding scum. why would i want o vote for someone today i think is mor elikely to be town than now?

arent u voting for herta -.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i miss being a mason

soul masons 4 lyfe

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gera who do you think we should kill today and why

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky is there a reason you are more engaged than usual this game and gave an abnormal amount of content at the beginning? Do you think any of this is town!indicative behavior for you?

i haven't gotten a town role pm since july dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also yea im like the towniest bear in the world

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Also do you still think skitter is town?

her disappearance is kinda susp but I'm not going to change my mind just because she isn't around for a day or two, she becomes easier to read the longer I spend with her

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the last game I played with gerain was a large normal datisi setup

he basically did no solving and lurked all the way to the end and just twiddled his thumbs while the town ate each other for lol reasons.

I have no desire to repeat the experience if he's not going to put in effort and become readable/try.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also his "i become readable over time" is kind of bullshit since he literally won at endgame viewtopic.php?p=13483106#p13483106

by barely playing the entire game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hope you feel better soon ydra

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

being useless is literally his default go to approach to the game at every day and i literally just lost a game to him playing the exact same way

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i remain wholly unconvinced by your herta push but I am willing to switch just for you if you ask nicely because I am trying to be a nicer person. how much confidence do you actually have that he flips mafia here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gera who do you think we should kill today and why

@Gera do you have any thoughts about this?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

3 i think are bad. those would be the ones i would be most interested in seeing gone if anyone was to go today.

who do you want to kill today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unwnd pure evil regardless of scoli alignment confirmed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

scoli basically already claimed VT when he did his "this town is bad and you all know my reads alrdy shtick"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter do you feel fustrated you can't get any traction on herta

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also why do you think scum unwnd would try to egg on a hammer on town!scoli atp

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like do you think he's worried scoli is going to suddenly turn into a reasonable person and convince people that he is like town or something cuz that seems kind of unreasonable

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

UNVOTE:

herta can you share some more of your thoughts with us please

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also dont e-1 until after toto claims his info

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Herta wall feels v town to me.

He could be just replicating what he did last time we were t/t but I have doubts he remembers.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why is gera town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because he thinks if he claims vanilla we will lim him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he is stalling in hopes we get bored and go kill someone else

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but why is it town to do so

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what do you expect him to do as scum in this situation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like he says he wont claim because if he claims a role, then we will go run someone else up and thats bad

but what is he hoping for us to do? if we leave him alone are we not going to run someone else up?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

literally anything other than this lol

like what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but why is that town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i can see how scum him thinks

1) claim vt get limmed

2) claim a role get caught on nightplay somehow or get caught for surviving too long

and then decide its better to not claim

town him deciding oh im not gonna claim because if i claim a role then you guys will

run someone else up

is whack because he literally wants us to run someone else up

without

him claiming and getting pinned to something.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but why is that town

i've answered ur question smh

no you didnt

you claim scum him would do something different but you dont even know what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean its literally working on you? so like why would it not be a way for scum him to co

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like maybe hes right and im just butthurt that i lost to scum him stalling thru like 8 days doing jack shit while town did nothing

but he literally saw me catch his partner on d1 and yeet them and then he nightkilled me night one so i know his d1 doesnt matter all wagons r on town is a load of horseshif

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I’m not convinced on anything either

I think both you and Pooky have reasonable points and that’s why I’m conflicted.

I just wish geraint would be more proactive

his policy is to do nothing readable and win by having the town miss that he exists

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its basically an excuse to not do shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

<rand on scum and on town is just a matter of semantics the idea is the same and the intention of the excuse is the same.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no im saying his excuse that he is using is invalid.

and i am tilted by people whose scum play is to do nothing and hope townies throw games to them so yes this is policy for playstyle.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have thought about this some more and i no longer want to vote out gera

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you are right that i am letting my raw hatred for his playstyle cloud my judgement and that it is unfair for me to insist on yeeting someone simply because i find their playstyle and obstinance completely intolerable.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im trying to limit my toxicity and think positive thoughts

intent to hammer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gonna hammer in an hour so if you have anything more to say just get it out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Gera

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

resetting all my reads

these are off the table for me today:

Toto, IV, KittyTacky.

I want to know what Dannflor/Ydrasse/Skitter want to kill

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Scoliosis

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just got home from work 45 minutes ago and the game has been open less than a day, you're just making up random shit to throw at a wall.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

complacency is bad

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

scoli + skitter + unwnd?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

complacency is bad

can you elaborate on your answer? I'm genuinely very curious because this was not at all my feeling upon entering this Day 2. Do you just "reset" your reads every game day? I don't feel like you do.

I generally don't reset but that's because I'm generally very lazy and I realized after watching Ausuka crush it in pictures that letting a read build on itself is a good way to lose games.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

I guess we disagree on how dead gera was and how close the vote was because multiple people were clamoring to vote for gera and I don't think scol had more than 4 votes at the end?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if anything I'd actually expect Scol's teammates to be on Scol's wagon because it

looks better

in post analysis? If we flip them both and Scol is S and Gera T then the natural push targets on D3 would be the Gera wagon.

Conversely if Scol does go through on D1 - there's no reason why Gera wouldn't be following him on D2 with the way he refused to vote for Scol.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok scoli why am I mafia go.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you going to put words in there?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont get it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

scoli + skitter + unwnd?

Reading this made me upset

when did you retire from big game hunting and take up fruit farming

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

He's scum hiding in a fake tunnel on me for the wifom.

he is literally telling on himself

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I expected you to re evaluate more than the above with the flip and the night actions and the time away from the game if you are town. I was expecting to see something from you which looked like insight or effort at the start of today.

does this make sense to literally anyone here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dannflor Nov 27, 04:44am Dec 03, 01:51pm 5 days 15 hours 69
skitter30 Nov 24, 09:12pm Dec 02, 03:51pm 6 days 13 hours 113

where did these two go

also just realized how hilarious it would be for scoli to call me "demotivated scum" if his partners have literally decided to ghost him this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lost in tft... brain forget mafia

i blame ydrasse for playing too much tft and forgetting about this game

also sup fb why u no claim scum yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok is it just me or does scoli feel like scum who gave up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

scoli + skitter + unwnd?

As I said to KT in 1321; I'm not convinced a Sco/Skitter partnership makes sense. Are you seeing something I'm not?

I do think there is reason to think both of them pretty scummy independently, but a large part of why I dislike skitter is predicated on a town!Sco.

What's the issue with unwnd here, also? I've felt largely null on them yesterday, but that's improved today on the fact there are two posts today I've seen that I felt a bit mindmeld-y around.

re: skitter

she just doesnt seem into this game. like her read of scoli feels really not very fleshed out at all. its kind of this weird hand wavey thing?

i dont think shes as present in the last week or so. now it could be irl and she will perk right up later but i dunno

also if scoli flips scum i think skitter is the ro3 scum in his bottom tier because kitty looks really unpaired with him and kitty by meta doesnt really bus.

re: unwnd

its weird to me that unwnd was voting for scoli at EOD1 which basically had scoli + gera as the two options and he goes on to start today pushing for herta; it doesnt really make sense to me as scoli didnt get any townier and its unexplained. also i dont really understand his herta case or what herta did between d1/d2 to become more attractive of a lim option to unwnd.

so it feels to me like hes trying to generate distance off scoli without directly pushing for his death just getting the cred and the way hes moved onto the wagon after failing to generate interest elsewhere[herta] makes me think maybe hes thrown in the towel for today.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: gera

his catchup feels like spammy antispew because its chock full of random half assed self meta and literally no discussion of who we should be killing other than him

i have thought about this some more and i no longer want to vote out gera

im trying to limit my toxicity and think positive thoughts

intent to hammer

gonna hammer in an hour so if you have anything more to say just get it out

pooky why u compromising on a person u dont want to die.

VOTE: Gera

i wanted to kill gera

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i just have mood swings

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

since when does pooky look for preflip associations. Another sus thing he is doing.
this isn't the pooky i know and love.

um what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i literally did this in the last game we played togetber

go home you're drunk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

baileyposting

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i posted a team someone asked me my reasoning i responded with a preflip association

which i wouldve done in bp if any1 asked me but nobody did

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also gera literally won baileyposting by doing absolutely nothing and stalling his VT claim until after the tracker with the guilty on hi
died and i wasnt about to let him punk me twice

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

scoli + skitter + unwnd?

adds the question mark to sanity check himself against the thread see if anyone bites.
the pooky i know wouldn't added that "?" what with this 'uncertainty' he trying ot pretend here.

wtf r u talking about that ? is to scoli to see his reaction. im not sanity testing shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u even reading my posts in context

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

throws pokeball at firebringer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bruh if i was actually mafia you'd be sitting in my pocket happily munching poketreats while i told you what a good boy you are.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Who are his partners even?

have you looked in the mirror lately wink wink

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok is it just me or does scoli feel like scum who gave up

He just deflated lol. But scum deflated, not town deflated.

Can you elaborate on your Pooky townread? Do you have prior experience with Pooky?

bruh you've played with scum!me

scum!me looks nothing like this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

To elaborate the way to read me is not “scum!innocentvillager probably wouldnt do this, so hes probably town”

Im decent at doing individual wifomy things in small bursts that town players thinking on level 1-2 wouldnt expect me to do but bad at like just faking playing the game in general

I would expect that for Val it might be similar - the idea is that as scum he sees something he thinks he might notice as town and just says jt given it doesnt hurt wincon

Idk if im making sense but it feels like it makes sense to me

i dont think scum!val bothers pushing gera d1. from my experience with val he feels more like a "let the town kill themselves" kind of scum player

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Right, and scum-me chooses ro spend the entire game defending her partner who is clearly gonna flipped at some point because ...

We gotta fill in that blank in order for that to make sense

you're going to try to play clueless tiger tomorrow and claim that your lack of trajectory management skews town :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

They exhibit the vibe i described above
I think scum would be trying more, and not checking out due to lack of patience or from getting annoyed

um do you even know who he is?

him not trying is very scum indicative.... town!him basically never shuts up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean what r u going to do

if you vote for him it looks like the world's most awkward read flip and the first place we look for a bus vote

if you don't vote for him maybe we get bored by the wagon and go somewhere else

worse comes to worse and we actually yeet the guy you can claim tomorrow that you would've bussed him or not defended him if he was going over and try to sell us another brochure on why Herta is mafia.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok is it just me or does scoli feel like scum who gave up

He just deflated lol. But scum deflated, not town deflated.

Can you elaborate on your Pooky townread? Do you have prior experience with Pooky?

bruh you've played with scum!me

scum!me looks nothing like this

How so?

.....

viewtopic.php?t=88280&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

They exhibit the vibe i described above
I think scum would be trying more, and not checking out due to lack of patience or from getting annoyed

um do you even know who he is?

him not trying is very scum indicative.... town!him basically never shuts up

Who is he?

I think alt-outting is rude but you should be able to figure it out yourself if you try

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I thought a bunch of people thought it was Flavor Leaf so I went with that. I remember you saying it probably wasn't Flavor Leaf. I see some mannerisms that are him but I'm not sure, is like figuring out who's an alt of who just like some skill that everyone has but me ??

there's like ~25 active players and it's pretty easy to cross out who it's not by just looking at which players it's in a game with.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you really trying to convince me that the difference between your towngame and your scumgame is you meme through the entirety of your scumgames and not your towngames? what is the point of this?

I am explaining the difference between my scum!game and my town!game in a simple way for you to understand because I think if you understood what my alignment is, it would be easier for you to play the game.

this is known as "self-meta"

something which you should understand as you do it yourself.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Pooky

why is it that every time I talk to you I feel like I want to kill you

If you are town I'm worried it's just a playstyle thing but like it feels like you are trying to manipulate everyone in the palm of hands

the only thing I can do is explain my thoughts and push for the person I think is mafia to get flipped and reason out what is going on and how the game makes sense to me.

if you disagree with me on anything I am happy to talk it out with you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you really trying to convince me that the difference between your towngame and your scumgame is you meme through the entirety of your scumgames and not your towngames? what is the point of this?

I am explaining the difference between my scum!game and my town!game in a simple way for you to understand because I think if you understood what my alignment is, it would be easier for you to play the game.

this is known as "self-meta"

something which you should understand as you do it yourself.

Yes I understand what self meta is

I think the way you went about self meta’ing yourself seemed scummy because it was way way too simplistic and i dont think you believe it yourself

You first say somethjng like “bruh you have seen how scum!me plays this is totally diff” or something

I follow up and then you quote like that one game we played together a while ago

I just really dont think that you think the difference between your scumgame and towngame is you just meme through the entire game for all your scum games and so youre town here because youre trying. Your reference to that game being the reason that you think I should just think youre town here for playing differently than that game is super bizarre to me. I think its a misleading self meta and thats why it was scummy to me, apparently I did not make that part clear last night

I meme as scum because its entertaining, I have no incentive to catch anyone and for some reason people don't kill me and I end up winning for hilarious reasons.

I tryhard as town because slacking and being a troll is not very good for winning the game.

That's a general

trend

. If you look at all of my completed games this year - the accuracy rate is pretty high - I've had like 1 scum game where i've tried versus like 5 scum games where i've been a massive troll/didn't play at all

It is not foolproof, it is not 100%, it is not completely "accurate" as you would call it. I am not saying that if I do ____ I am 100% town because that is the definition of a trust tell and bannable under site rules.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im vt and fine with being flipped

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

going on vacation on saturday and tbh dont really care atp

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter30, Herta

p wild that these two have been tunneled on each other as scum but think its cool to work together

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow math thinks im pushing scoli because he's a lurker and im being oppurtunistic

when in reality i pushed scoli - he got run up and THEN HE STARTED LURKING AND STOPPED PLAYING

typical mathblade replacing into a game and not even bothering to read a thing and voting on something thats not even based in abject reality excellent

im ngl i have 0 desire to play with him or for this town win anymore I would love to watch him torpedo another game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think Math is town? The way you worded that suggest that you think hes town throwing

yea hes town like 95% of the time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ive seen him do this shit as town like every time he reps into a town slot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hmmmm

Pooky if youre town I would like you to work with us if possible im sorry its frustrating for you that youre getting pushed randomly off of reasons that are BS to you

ive already said who i think the scum are and the reasons why they are scum im not sure what else you want me to do here dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hmmmm

Pooky if youre town I would like you to work with us if possible im sorry its frustrating for you that youre getting pushed randomly off of reasons that are BS to you

ive already said who i think the scum are and the reasons why they are scum im not sure what else you want me to do here dude

nothing in particular rn

But if things play out over the next few days we could use your help to figure out this clusterfuck

bruh what do you want me to figure out for you i have already given you three people i think are scum and the reasoning for why they are scum like im not sure what else you expect me to do here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

??? I have no idea what you just asked me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

??? I have no idea what you just asked me

I expect better reasons than pushing me who will be proven conf town.

Pretend the moderator PMed you with an ironclad “MathBlade is unequivocally and without exception town”.

Who is scum to you?

where the fuck am i pushing you ?!?!?!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think Math is town? The way you worded that suggest that you think hes town throwing

yea hes town like 95% of the time

ive seen him do this shit as town like every time he reps into a town slot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i didnt even know you were the unwnd replacement

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I literally just said you were town on the last page like 3 minutes ago and you're telling me that I'm pushing you so I'm p sure it's still you who's not reading the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not really up for this whole back and forth fighting with you over basic facts and frankly I don't give a shit if you kill me cuz i have better things to do in life than argue with you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and yea i thought you were dannflor because my memory of who replaced who isnt the best

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote count 2.04

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-12-15 15:00:00).

yeet

Scoliosis [6]:

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, innocentvillager,

Toto

, Ydrasse, unwnd

Herta [2]:

Val89, skitter30

PookyTheMagicalBear [1]:

Scoliosis

skitter30 [1]:

Herta

not voting [2]:

Freedom, Dannflor

mod notes

~ skitter30 v/la fridays/saturdays
~ freedom v/la 7.12. and 9.12.
~ this is a mod note

flavour

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote count 2.05

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-12-15 15:00:00).

yeet

Scoliosis [6]:

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Toto

, Ydrasse, unwnd, Firebringer

Herta [2]:

Val89, skitter30

PookyTheMagicalBear [1]:

Scoliosis

skitter30 [1]:

Herta

not voting [2]:

Freedom, innocentvillager

mod notes

~ skitter30 v/la fridays/saturdays
~ freedom v/la 7.12. and 9.12.
~ this is a mod note

flavour

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

3 conf town all wrong same time is pretty rare.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so when the townblock is voting for the person you suspect its because the person you suspect is a scumbag

when the townblock is voting for a person you dont suspect its because ??????

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote count 2.04

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-12-15 15:00:00).

yeet

Scoliosis [6]:

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, innocentvillager,

Toto

, Ydrasse, unwnd

Herta [2]:

Val89, skitter30

PookyTheMagicalBear [1]:

Scoliosis

skitter30 [1]:

Herta

not voting [2]:

Freedom, Dannflor

mod notes

~ skitter30 v/la fridays/saturdays
~ freedom v/la 7.12. and 9.12.
~ this is a mod note

flavour

all of unwnd iv and toto are voting scol
scol must be confscum

that's literally your argument

It’s more nuanced than that

You’re doing a straw man and it’s pissing me off

If I was a vig I would shoot you right now

if i was a vig id shoot myself so i dont have to play with you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

per vc 2.04 why is scol town?

Because Scol wasn’t hammered.

i wasnt hammered either guess im conftown now wooo hooo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont even know why im talking to you all it does is piss me off

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so when the townblock is voting for the person you suspect its because the person you suspect is a scumbag

when the townblock is voting for a person you dont suspect its because ??????

When scum don’t hammer on easy points then it’s because they know they’d be outed because three conf town on wagon. They can’t hammer Scol

so when theres 3 conf town on me and scum dont hammer me what does that mean about me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

math saying nonsense is like literally every town math game ever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

math saying nonsense is like literally every town math game ever

Is he logical as scum/less nonsense? Ive only seen town math I have no comparison point.

the last time I played with scum mathblade he spent 600 posts complaining about how I'm too popular to be limmed and that everyone was going to sheep me and kill him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I really doubt mathblade is scum here because he's like super easy to catch when he's scum.

also just talking to him is tilting me so like I'm gonna do something less stressful

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Lol I have been on record several games pushing Pooky is almost impossible when Pooky is town.

this is like salem witch trial levels of logic here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

math saying nonsense is like literally every town math game ever

Is he logical as scum/less nonsense? Ive only seen town math I have no comparison point.

the last time I played with scum mathblade he spent 600 posts complaining about how I'm too popular to be limmed and that everyone was going to sheep me and kill him

It’s because I wanted BGC and was right tyvm

Please stop misrep ping

When I considered you it had to be with BGC

And low and behold it was right

You’d be a lot easier to get along with if you weren’t saying I suck every three seconds

im literally talking about the last time you were scum

you were town in that game you are talking about

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im trying to explain to IV why I think you're town and you seem to think all I am saying is that you suck ass

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like its just impossible for me to attempt to communicate with you atp and not feel incredibly tilted

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm down for yeeting skitter if we can't get an enchant elim for some reason

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there's nothing townie in enchant's entire iso and skitter handwaving it to vote me with her #1 scumread is pretty lulzscum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i ate some really good chicken and rice and sipping on some chocolate liquor

life's sweet how about yourself?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

same can't wait for that vacation its so close just three more days till I'm outta here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooks did you ever tell us who you think scum 3 is

gth freedom but don't feel great about it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don’t understand the pictures Pooky?

its a meme of someone waiting and bored

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im town

gn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm fine with being voted out today.

I'd like leave a last will but my reads have beem kind of shitty all game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also i will be not around v much cuz vacation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Pooky

i use my ninja grenade to escape out the back door

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

:3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

town played really well for the most part - a lot of great solving/play and you all have much to be proud of.

congrats on a well fought win.

I think I take probably 90ish% of the blame for making the wrong nightkills when I was alive - if I had shot Dannflor instead of IV on N1 this game probably goes much differently but sometimes that's how things work out - we should've known there was a doctor from knowing the about the macho IC and also could've maybe guessed that IV would get protected. I compounded the error by picking to nightkill the claimed doctor on N2 thinking there wouldn't be a second protective on top of the watcher we knew about and the game was pretty much unwinnable from that point on with a JK/Watcher/Doctor/IC all alive.

I think in a world where we make better choices this is possible to win but still very tough against great townplay.

Thank you for modding Dats - sorry about being a whiny asshole in the deadchat, I didn't mean it, I love playing your normals.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@IV I thought you played extremely well in being a dominant voice and also pushing at all the right angles. Very impressed with your townplay however I did have this issue with it:

As someone who knowingly has a polarized playstyle difference between his town/scum games - I believe these following posts stray into the territory of trust-telling and hope you consider removing it from your townplay in general. It was fairly obvious you were town, you didn't need to do this.

I can guarantee you that I am not able to play with this much engagement and fluidity if I am scum, and I think some others can attest to that. I don’t think many people on this site can either. I think you should focus your efforts elsewhere but if we need to get over this now we can

I know people are getting paranoid because solves are confusing but just a reminder I literally cannot play like this as scum, nor can a lot of people.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@ Skitter/Ydra - I had a lot of fun even despite the result and it was a joy to play with you both <3

thanks for the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Rn i am still a little frustrated but i am sure i will get to where pooky is in a bit, sorry if i'm complaining a lot lol

hehe i was just glad i didnt get yeeted d1 like every other time im mafia with you :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

>.>
it's not even named after me lol

since nsg doesnt play anymore we can rename it the skitter tell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when skitter is mafia she can't tell when someone is joking

like when toto made the joke about the unkillabe IC and she was like "no it was all these other roles that were the issue!"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm not mafia anymore >.>

not according to the tell!