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VOTE: furtiveglance

First :3

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VOTE: brickwall

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VOTE: Eiralox

That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?

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@all

Do you think there's a cost to posting even though there's no post limit?

Should we be trying to keep our post counts low?

No, there's a reason why scum win rates were so high in geriatrics. Stamina and real-time interactions are real challenges for many scum players.

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Anything you want to add to that?

Not really, tbh I didn't think Brickwall's entrance was scummy. I just thought your entrance was towny and wanted to help pressure and see how Brickwall would react.

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Eiralox

Why is Eiralox town? I thought him coming in and ignoring your page 1 content was +scum.

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VOTE: Eiralox

That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?

I think this post is bad

I also am liking brickwall's most recent posts

Bad as in bad reasoning or scummy?

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VOTE: Eiralox

That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?

I think this post is bad

I also am liking brickwall's most recent posts

Bad as in bad reasoning or scummy?

scummy

okay, why? And why are you still voting for Frogs instead of me if you think his posting is "fair" (44)?

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Do you have any top scummy

posts

, CSF? For example I keep going back to 20 and 27.

Also, do you think I'm tinfoiling over 20 and 27 or do those posts ping you too?

The Eiralox post is the only one that pinged me so far

I think 27 is a bit towny, though I'd feel better about this read if it didn't come right after Brickwall acted in the same way towards you.

No real feelings about 20. I guess if I were to extract water from a stone, I'd wonder why he is encouraging someone he is wagoning, but it was an early vote.

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VOTE: Lycanfire

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Do you think it's +scum that Dragons didn't change his vote there? (20) I also thought maybe Dragons made a mistake because he wrote Brickwalll's name wrong and I don't know if that's AI for Dragons.

I guess I'm also curious if Penguin's defensiveness earlier is a part of his Town meta?

Idk it'd depend if StD was townreading him vs liking Brickwall's sass but still thinking he could be scum.

About Penguin, yeah I think it is.

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If StD liked Brickwall's energy, but still thought it could come from scum, I think it'd make sense for StD to keep his vote there. Because it was on a wagon with momentum

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If StD liked Brickwall's energy, but still thought it could come from scum, I think it'd make sense for StD to keep his vote there. Because it was on a wagon with momentum

I'm actually not really getting much from your answers.

Should I unvote Dragons and join you on lycanfire or not? I wanted to give lycanfire more of a chance, but I can be flexible.

CSF??*

I don't know - his other posts have been better. Do what you want, and let the chips fall where they may

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What are you talking about? Whose posts have been better? Neither Dragons nor lycanfire have said barely anything.

Lycanfire's

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75 was a weird post & I didn't agree with any of the reads. Then he made a decent observation about furtive, though idk if the observation is scum indicative for furtive

I mainly need other people to do stuff right now

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throw some better dirt at me please

Stay tuned!

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Frogs, PP, and Brickwall all feel town

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VOTE: Save the Dragons

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VOTE: T3

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What a pair of replacements lmao. Welcome!

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Holy shit, Penguin's right. I thought both posts were NM.

Enchant is Town IMO and Enchant + NM are never scum together.

I'll take a hint and reserve judgement on NM!Town because I got unanimous rejection to that idea.

I'm on pace to have a perfect gamesolve halfway through D1! I guess I could use a second opinion on alchemist though to make sure I'm not getting pocketed.

He hasn't pinged me, but for some reason I remember alchemist having a decent scum game, so i don't really think enough has happened to say he's town with great confidence. I can't remember him saying anything original, but maybe he hasn't had the chance to

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Yeah, he posts the same stuff when he enters games

Dragons... Idk, not really

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VOTE: T3

where did this come from?

you seem more mellow than I remember you

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Ok so this game has barely moved since I last checked in despite the several new pages. Some high-level thoughts on the main wagons atm:

STD - I didn't like #15, its troll nature felt kind of insincere, but it was page 1 so whatever. But since he has sort of floated and not said anything useful which is +scum. I don't wanna join this wagon though as I want something more damning than a page 1 post lol.
Furtive - I don't understand these votes someone enlighten me please
Eiralox - honoured that half of their posts are about me? The obsession. The focus on my vote and why it is there is kinda weird ngl and maybe +scum. Although I literally just as I am typing this checked the vote count again and saw that the other vote is a self-vote so that explains it, they are just sensitive. Anyway I assume the obsession is to find out why my vote is on them. Well I thought it was obvious at the time but I didn't like how they sheeped my MT vote
T3 - Why do you think this post is scummy #45

VOTE: T3

Eiralox you can relax now

This post is pinging me a bit

Lots of people explained their votes on furtive already, not realizing T3 already answered his question, the blurb about Eiralox is just weird

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Dionysus, is there more to why you voted T3 besides asking him about 45?

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I think Eiralox is having fun with this game, which is probably a town tell for him specifically. Not sure why he's sheeping Dionysus though.

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VOTE: Dionysus

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Town

Frogsterking, Brickwalll
furtiveglance, Alchemist21, Eiralox, PenguinPower
Not_Mafia, Enchant, Lycanfire, Save the Dragons - null
T3
Dionysus

Scum

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CSF: I know I got shut down earlier on trying to read NM, but I haven't given up. Are you aware of any meta differences in NM's play which would implicate 208?

no. I'm aware of one meta tell for NM, but I don't want to say it right now because not enough has happened

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You've been on a roll, Alianna

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Is this in your Town meta to monitor the PM confirmations and stuff?

Sort of - It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people RVS people who haven't confirmed their PM. RVS is to get reactions... people who haven't confirmed aren't going to be there to react.

And since I can't remember the other minor issue I had, can you backtrace your read progression on Dionysus?

Idk if I have a progression; they haven't pinged me or were really on my radar until just now

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Is this in your Town meta to monitor the PM confirmations and stuff?

Sort of - It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people RVS people who haven't confirmed their PM. RVS is to get reactions... people who haven't confirmed aren't going to be there to react.

(The corollary is that I never RVS people who haven't confirmed unless I'm like half asleep or something, so actually yeah I do always check who has confirmed)

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Is a bit LAMIST? When I pondered the game last night I realized that I've seen Enchant make posts like this before, but IIRC NM's M.O. is to hardclaim scum.

ughhhh I don't know. I'm kind of thinking to that game I modded & you were in where he just went "I'm mason" without anything to back it up. If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably NAI.

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Is a bit LAMIST? When I pondered the game last night I realized that I've seen Enchant make posts like this before, but IIRC NM's M.O. is to hardclaim scum.

ughhhh I don't know. I'm kind of thinking to that game I modded & you were in where he just went "I'm mason" without anything to back it up. If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably NAI.

Because he was mason?

I don't see point.

He couldn't prove it though. No crumbs or anything, and both of his mason buddies were dead

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It's just what I thought of when I tried to think about NM claiming scum vs claiming town. I don't remember him claiming scum - though I wouldn't be surprised if you showed me posts where he did - but I do remember him claiming town.

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Thoughts on Dionysus, Enchant?

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If you're specifically asking about what he likes to claim during early game shitposting, then I don't know - it's not something I've ever paid attention to or thought to pick up on.

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No, I think it's obviously a joke... LAMIST is like when you're presenting yourself as very pro town, making a big show out of doing towny things instead of just doing them

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You want meta. Meta Dionysus and tell me you don't think he's scum.

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There is just one game, but I still think it's self explanatory; the differences are pretty glaring imo

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What's your read on furtive?

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Eiralox - honoured that half of their posts are about me? The obsession. The focus on my vote and why it is there is kinda weird ngl and maybe +scum. Although I literally just as I am typing this checked the vote count again and

saw that the other vote is a self-vote so that explains it, they are just sensitive. Anyway I assume the obsession is to find out why my vote is on them.

Well I thought it was obvious at the time but I didn't like how they sheeped my MT vote

What is weird about the Eiralox blurb tho? Half of their posts are about me, and not even because they're chasing me for info lol.

You spend a lot of time confused about what Eiralox is doing when Eira very clearly said they wanted to sheep your vote... They self voted because you voted them, not because they are sensitive.

Your analysis was just weird because I don't get how you reached any of those conclusions by reading the thread. Did you read the thread chronologically?

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What's your read on furtive?

I slightly townread him at this point. I don't aggressively townread, I just thought there were better wagons than him.

ok, why?

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*why do you slightly townread furtive

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I think Eira's sheeping of me all game to the point of self voting is weird. Are you 1) seriously saying that this isn't weird 2) telling me that it is sus/weird of *me* for finding it so?

no, I think it's weird too. Did you realize that 32 was a self vote because he was just following your vote?

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Dionysus townreading furtive is kind of interesting - I feel like furtive has a scummy meta at face value until you get to know him. Though I suppose it's plausible if you believe his T3 read

but the rest of Dionysus' responses aren't as bad as I was expecting ngl

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You didn't agree with my metaread?

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Cephrir in a Normal? Welcome!

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Dionysus townreading furtive is kind of interesting - I feel like furtive has a scummy meta at face value until you get to know him. Though I suppose it's plausible if you believe his T3 read

but the rest of Dionysus' responses aren't as bad as I was expecting ngl

Would a redflip of either T3 or Dionysus affect your read on the other, and if so how and why?

Probably make the other look better since gth it doesn't feel like a bus, but it's a really weak point until I see them interact

Welcome to the Towncore.

Can you explain?

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I feel enchant actually plays when theyre town and trolls when they're scum

Why does that sound familiar? I think I have a completed game with someone may have said it then. Let me see if I can find it.

It used to be true, but I don't really think that's true anymore.

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What do you expect scum!NM to be doing over the last couple pages in a scum!Cephrir, scum!NM world?

You think the vote / unvote is indicative of SvS?

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NM not only has a scum read, he votes it and provides a reason for voting it. That's...not typical NM Town behavior AFAIK.

Proactive voting is town indicative for him, providing a reason is scum indicative. Where does that get me...

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Dionysus: haven't seen you around lately bud what timezone are you in?

I've been thinking about this. Dionysus, why didn't you react to this post?

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Do you think Cephrir and NM are aligned?

No, I think the most likely explanation for what happened is NM voted Ceph but didn't realize the wagon was so close to hammer territory and then unvoted. If they're S/S, why does he vote only to unvote?

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I typed up a response to your question about Dionysus but I copy pasted over it on accident. Do you want me to rewrite it?

Yeah probably. I took another look at his past Newbie (closer this time ) and don't see many similarities to the other game.

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you're right I don't like your process lol

Because he wants to do something and isn't sure what so he very weakly distances from Cephrir.

How do you think I'm doing this game as far as reads and/or toxicity go?

NM isn't bad at the game, weakly distancing is possible but not sure it's probable. Readswise, neither slot has been particularly towny though, I'll give you that

Toxicity wise, fine I think?

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Someone tell me what part is not convincing

Ehhhh, I kinda like 285 in hindsight

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Best case I can whip up against Enchant is that he's voting for Brickwall who seems town to me. Why are you (still) voting there?

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you're right I don't like your process lol

Do 27 and 31 seem out of character to you? In a bravado-y kind of way.

234 catch up with no attempt to talk to people

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Is there a reason why you were proactive about calling out Eiralox out for ignoring my page 1 content, while you sit there and say nothing while Cephrir shits on me endlessly?

Because there was nothing else to talk about page 1

Do you think you need to be defended more by me? No one has been taking Ceph seriously, I don't think; it's only gotten him scumread

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If Ceph is scum who came in with the purpose of discrediting, I think he really misread the room. Your reads were good lately, esp in that crack xyzzy game, but I don't know if Ceph knows that

p-edit: I don't "support" like that, and I think it would be kind of suspicious if someone did?

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How would you feel if Cephrir said you are worst player of all time for chasing JohnnyFarrar in LOST and I was like "ehh I kinda like 244?"

I'll be honest, I don't think I would care that much or really at all. I didn't realize you did though

I'm talking to Ceph as if he could be town, because I think he can be, and I usually talk to people like that when I sort them

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wouldn't it defeat the purpose if I answered >_>

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Spoiler: For Frogs only

Sorry, I didn't realize. If it's any consolation, I'm not a very emotional person, and I'm a software engineer who spends my day with people even less emotionally available than me.

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I will talk to csf if they have questions for me.

Why do you townread Dionysus?

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Why? You want him limmed right now?

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I mean you may as well be voting him, right? I don't see what else you're going to do in this situation.

? I still want Dionysus

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And how is that going to look after Cephrir flips scum?

Do you think I'm scum?

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Why?

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Alchemist, where were you going with the questions you asked Ceph?

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I don't think he was saying you don't have friends

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The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of when I asked this, did that line of questioning affect your read of Enchant or Ceph?

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I mean he said there's nothing I can do to change his opinion (strong shit for page 26)

yeah that's fair

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Why?

It will take me a long time to actually write up all the reasons. The first few things in chronological order were that you didn't express any paranoia about my alignment, you were extremely pockety with how you treated my page 1 post wrt to Eiralox, and I value T3's early scum ping on you pretty highly. Also, you didn't question Brickwalll while you were voting them for pressure which I notice are things you often combine as Town, and you moved your vote before Brickwalll could do anything AI. In fact this lack of questioning who you are voting and innopportune vote movements are a common theme in fact in your ISO. Non-chronologically, off the top of my head I value Enchant's point in 285 pretty highly, I noticed your SvS interaction with lycanfire, you TMI'd Penguin as Town, I believe you are a capable scum hunter who can recognize that Dionysus is likely to be Town and I believe this whole Dionysus push is likely to be a counterwagon. Tonight your language in 586 was extremely suspicious: you seem self-conscious in general when posting with Cephrir (which you do reluctantly after I call you both out together) and in 586 you felt the need to qualify that you *are* in fact trying to sort Cephrir lol.

Why do you value T3's scum ping?

I just think Dionysus has a decent chance of flipping scum >_> and if you weren't preflipping people and seriously considered my meta point, maybe you'd see it

Penguin is just an easy read

That is basically just the cliff notes of my scum case on you.

(1) Really it is going to be quite difficult to convince me that you're Town because I have a lot on you.

I think if I had to choose a few things overall that would help to change my mind it would be if you could convince me that

(2) you didn't magically divine my alignment at the beginning of the game

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(3) you and lycanfire weren't SvS

, and (4) there was some purpose behind your vote movements throughout the game.

1. I'm a very easy sort... like look at my past games. I don't want to go into it more than that.

2. Your start didn't ping me.... so I don't know if I can convince you of this. But even if your initial post did ping me, I wouldn't have pointed it out right away. Me sussing you based on your first post in xyzzy game was a tactical error of mine that I realized quickly into Day 1.

3. Can you quote what you think was SvS with Lycanfire?

4. This will happen but in an hour or so. The move off Brickwall was because his entrance didn't ping me whereas Eiralox's did, and I thought it was a better shout for getting out of RVS faster. Wagons based off of "gut" can be easily shrugged off; the faster you can vote someone with an explained reason, the better

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Dionysus: haven't seen you around lately bud what timezone are you in?

I've been thinking about this. Dionysus, why didn't you react to this post?

I started to write a response but I got distracted by other things and didn't finish. Why is that interesting?

Decent chance it was meant to be a reaction test that you ignored

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how long does it take to write a response to that question?

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The familiarity

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That's not the familiar part :p

but Seattle

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also you weren't gone from the thread for that long

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What do you think of Ceph? He's a bit of a hot topic rn

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Why are you pushing this Cat Scratch? Timezone question is timezone question. I love to ignore similar such questions, Dionysus not being arsed really means nothing?

Mostly curious - it seemed like a deliberate reach out, and Dionysus seems like a talkative person. Part of me also wondered if it was SvS. Most of the time when the topic of timezone comes up, it's in the scum PT because scum need to coordinate hammers.

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CSF, what are your reads at the moment?

Town

Frogsterking, Eiralox, Brickwalll
Save the Dragons, Cephrir, Penguin, furtiveglance
T3, Not_Mafia, Enchant - null
Dionysus, Alchemist21

Scum

Cephrir - the hot take - I think his emotion towards Frogs is genuine. How he reacted has only damaged his position in the game. That can be a scum fuck up sure, but I think it's unlikely that Cephrir in particular misplays that this poorly as scum. To Alchemist's point about waiting for Enchant to produce more content before meta'ing him, Ceph was actively getting wagoned; there's kind of a need to produce content faster than usual when you're under pressure.

Save the Dragons - I liked his interaction with Cephrir earlier, felt towny for him.

Dionysus - in addition to what I've talked about already, I feel like he's been reactive so far and has been talking to me as if he assumes I'm town. I kind of want to stop interacting with him for a bit, and see what he does from here.

Alchemist21 - The cogdis is a good point, and some of his posts have felt pocket-y.

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Somewhat concerned about tunneling since no one else sees what I'm seeing

Why not say that

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oh, yeah I do want him on edge :3

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About Cephrir specifically, how do you think scum!Cephrir would play if Frogsterking was correctly pushing his slot, even for a weird/dumb reason?

I don't know, probably similar to this (kind of just ignoring him for the most part and making passive aggressive digs every now and then)?

To be clear, when I was referring to his "reaction" that seemed genuine and unlikely to come from scum!him, I meant the early "discredit" that got him wagoned in the first place.

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6)

this

could be svs but it was largely ignored or disagreed with so maybe they are wrong

What does "this" mean?

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whoops you already answered that sorry

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People who think Frogs/Ceph are TvT are almost certainly town. Can't remember who all that is right now

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If that's what Cephrir is doing, how come he has such a limited ability to describe WHY CSF is actually Town?

because no one has asked and i don't know if csf wants me to say it based on a post she made a while ago

It's fine if you say it

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Meeeeeee

congrats you can move up a tier

So can Penguin

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That's why you think we're SvS?

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To believe the line you're pushing, you'd have to believe that I'd pull the net out from under my buddy for no reason.

I may be bad at hitting the 'Submit' button as scum, but I'm not a gamethrower.

VOTE: Alchemist

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You have yet to follow through on #4 and this is the second time I've reminded you.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Lycanfire

I'd been thinking about moving off of Eiralox bc I checked that scumgame of his that I modded & he felt looser here in comparison. Lycan's entrance was 3 scumreads on 3 people I thought were +town, which pinged me.

VOTE: Save the Dragons

VC was posted right before this post. I was vanity voting Lycan. STD had a wagon on him & he wasn't feeling as towny as in that xyzzy game.

VOTE: T3

I had asked T3 some questions earlier when he pinged me, and furtive had just moved here so there was momentum.

VOTE: Dionysus

He wrote a scummy post, and I still think he's scum.

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I’m back with a lot of pages having passed since I last was here. Please point me to anything I’ve missed or pressing, and I’ll begin reading through.

Brickwalll: haven't seen you around lately bud what timezone are you in?

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The fact that you feel a need to prove anything to me is telling.

You have no read progression on alchemist

and if you think I give a $hit about a "putting my partner on e-4" or whatever gambit then you're dead wrong. I've had scum agree to hammer me as a Super Saint in order to "prove" their mettle:

You're not reading my posts

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I’m back with a lot of pages having passed since I last was here. Please point me to anything I’ve missed or pressing, and I’ll begin reading through.

Brickwalll: haven't seen you around lately bud what timezone are you in?

Spite.

Explain how this is spite?

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I'm not interested in engaging with posts like 914

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okay Eiralox & Penguin may have surpassed Frogs & Ceph for dumbest TvT in this game

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just cos i'm dumb don't mean Penguin is town

Alchemist u finna claim here?

If someone declares intent to put me to E-1 I will. I’m assuming NM is just gonna quickhammer any wagon that hits E-1.

I see you've moved your vote to Enchant. How confident are you in cephrir scum now?

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just cos i'm dumb don't mean Penguin is town

Alchemist u finna claim here?

I didn't mean to imply you're dumb

The back and forth seemed more fueled by ego than anything else, and those seem towny to me.

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A lot less actually.

It started feeling like Cephrir felt like he had no backup, and I thought it might be that his teammates were just absent or didn’t care.

As more people chimed in though, I figured that could only be true if the team was exactly Cephrir, Brickwall, and NM. I did have some suspicion on Brickwall but my read hinged on the response they provided. Not enough people make sense as a partner.

When was this? I remember defending Cephrir soon after you said you were feeling confident in him flipping scum

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Also who else do you think is scum besides Enchant?

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CSF come and reveal yourself

Hi furtive

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You didn't make fakeclaim?

Unexpected actually

Enchant why did you unvote here?

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Eiralox can you case Cephrir?

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I sort of hate how Enchant didn't unvote when he obviously expected scum!Alchemist to fakeclaim something, but with Frogs as the only one hard defending Enchant, my brain is telling me that Enchant doesn't make that kill

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I can't count past 12

you just need to count to 6, my guy

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VOTE: Cephrir

Eiralox, you better be going somewhere with this... that's E-2 on Cephrir, please declare intent to E-1 before hammering

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*before voting

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Thanks

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VOTE: Cephrir

Eiralox, you better be going somewhere with this... that's E-2 on Cephrir, please declare intent to E-1 before hammering

Mmmm….why?

Might as well be explicit, Eira do you have a guilty on Ceph y/n?

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I'm just sheeping Eira. I'm more confident that he's town than Ceph is right now

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Why I think Eiralox is town? I've modded a scumgame of his somewhat recently, and he fit the profile of a passive/lurky scum player. He feels more spontaneous and relaxed here. I think it's unlikely that he has leveled up his scumgame in such a short amount of time.

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I meant specifically wrt assessing yourself, not overall

don't like this

why should enchant be read by their unreliability in assessing themselves? (?????)

seems like word salad for the sake of framing to me

Are you feigning the ability to not comprehend words?

here ya go in an easy-to-digest version:

i say "enchant no do stuff"
enchant say "nuh-uh, i do stuff"
i say "what enchant say about enchant unreliable"
enchant say "why try if unreliable"
i say "i only talk about what enchant say about self not what enchant say about others"

that help? do I need to use smaller words?

As far as I can tell, your 1v1 with Eiralox started because he misinterpreted one of your posts. I see town do that all the time... it's hasn't been very alignment indicative in my experience, more reading ability indicative.

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I mean... you did immediately start to imply he was dense. Not that surprising he thought you were scum going aggro at him?

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Which ones?

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Penguin: Enchant saying he's trying doesn't mean anything because he's an unreliable narrator 946
Eiralox: That shouldn't matter, Enchant is already trying 954
Penguin: You misread 946 964
Eiralox: Penguin is arguing that Enchant is suss for not trying but he has been 969
Penguin: I don't actually suss Enchant yet 972
Eiralox: If you're town Penguin, you should be able to recognize that Enchant tries in his own way and your method of engagement is antitown 976

What part of this doesn't sound like two people talking past each other?

This site really needs to bring post numbers in quotes back.

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Well I'm not going to go in depth to explain to you your own posts. I think you're both town from this interaction - you wanted more readable content from Enchant, that's not an unreasonable ask.

As for the rest of 1251, "pushing elsewhere" is only scummy if he's actually wrong about Ceph, which we don't know about. If you believe Ceph is town, then I don't see how he's lining up a chain, since a lot of this chain is predicated on Ceph flipping scum.

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I'm not sure of your experience on how scum pushes chains on town...but this wasn't predicated on anything...

Oh shit!

Frogster died....

Calculating......

VOTE: Cephrir

Then we get PenguinPower.

And then.... we get the deepwolf.

That's fair, I was thinking of 1201 when you said "lining up lims"

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you seem to have an extremely charitable view of eiralox that I don't get at all and is not warranted by their posting in this game

at best you are being naive and I don't think you are given my experience with you

My read on Eira has always been metadriven, and I'm reading them town.

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Eiralox can you please answer my question

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UNVOTE:

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[Cephrir, Not_Mafia, T3] = >1 Mafia

Who else is scum?

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Why is Dionysus town?

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How do we feel about Enchant? Alchemist died voting for them.

VOTE: Enchant

One dead town said Enchant was scum, and the other dead town said Enchant was town. Why are you sheeping Alchemist over Frogs?

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Can you quote some of these good thoughts?

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Dionysus is probably scum for pushing someone for being "inconsistent" instead of actual scummy behavior. Town is more likely to be inconsistent, since they're not overly concerned with image, and less likely to spend time making sure their own reads are consistent.

Spoiler:

This push on Enchant seems like Alchemist is caught scum trying to divert attention away by starting a 1v1? Maybe?

Was this post an actual scumread? Because if it is then this:

VOTE: Eiralox
I think I'm gonna put my vote here for now.

is weird.

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I've read through alchemist ISO and it isn't as townie as I remembered. The humblebrag on the scummie nomination in #222 is something I've got in the back of my mind. I think there is a decent chance they're partners. T3's reads have been a bit all over the place. I get it, day 1 is hard, but he's not a noob. His progression on alchemist for example just doesn't make sense only for him to not vote him, unless they're scum together and T3 doesn't want to vote his partner. Alchemist also replied to eiralox's post of T3's messy reads and didn't actually acknowledge this inconsistency.

VOTE: Eiralox
I think I'm gonna put my vote here for now.

Ok I'll take the bait... Why

I think it would be best if votes are applied there.

VOTE: Enchant

...

VOTE: Dionysus

A dagger to my heart </3

But I get it. I've been kind of mia so far today. Truth be told I've been struggling to follow this game because it is pretty much almost entirely vibes and I'm better at hunting scum with logical deductions.

Having said that, I still think T3 is scum. Their contributions may be better than mine in terms of volume, but not in terms of content. Reads changing from one post to the next is fine, but there should be a consistent thread that you can follow to make sense of the person's thought process. T3's reads have been... well not that.

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234 is still a scummy post, I'm not going to rehash that >_>

So my main take away from the last few pages is:

1) frogster vs Cephrir is really fucking funny. Thank you so much for replacing in as it has made this day very entertaining
2) frogster is going to extreme lengths to dig up dirt on Cephrir which I think is very +++town. It means he legit believes in his read because if Cephrir flips town then this would look so bad.
3) I townread alchemist already but I definitely feel sure he is Town now. He has been engaged and scum hunting and I have liked his analysis. So not that the question is relevant anymore if I had to hammer either him or NM I'd go NM.

4) I still think Cephrir is scum
5) although I think Cephrir's enchant analysis is interesting

6) this could be svs but it was largely ignored or disagreed with so maybe they are wrong

Doesn't vote either. Is that an inconsistency?

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Dionysus is probably scum for pushing someone for being "inconsistent" instead of actual scummy behavior. Town is more likely to be inconsistent, since they're not overly concerned with image, and less likely to spend time making sure their own reads are consistent.

Spoiler:

This push on Enchant seems like Alchemist is caught scum trying to divert attention away by starting a 1v1? Maybe?

Was this post an actual scumread? Because if it is then this:

VOTE: Eiralox
I think I'm gonna put my vote here for now.

is weird.

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I've read through alchemist ISO and it isn't as townie as I remembered. The humblebrag on the scummie nomination in #222 is something I've got in the back of my mind. I think there is a decent chance they're partners. T3's reads have been a bit all over the place. I get it, day 1 is hard, but he's not a noob. His progression on alchemist for example just doesn't make sense only for him to not vote him, unless they're scum together and T3 doesn't want to vote his partner. Alchemist also replied to eiralox's post of T3's messy reads and didn't actually acknowledge this inconsistency.

VOTE: Eiralox
I think I'm gonna put my vote here for now.

Ok I'll take the bait... Why

I think it would be best if votes are applied there.

VOTE: Enchant

...

VOTE: Dionysus

A dagger to my heart </3

But I get it. I've been kind of mia so far today. Truth be told I've been struggling to follow this game because it is pretty much almost entirely vibes and I'm better at hunting scum with logical deductions.

Having said that, I still think T3 is scum. Their contributions may be better than mine in terms of volume, but not in terms of content. Reads changing from one post to the next is fine, but there should be a consistent thread that you can follow to make sense of the person's thought process. T3's reads have been... well not that.

Or town can push scum for being inconsistent - until T3 flips, who's to say

I don't think he's really trying to understand the mindset of T3, which is scummy. He's just pointing out something that T3 did. Do you disagree?

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I don't think he's really trying to understand the mindset of T3, which is scummy. He's just pointing out something that T3 did. Do you disagree?

why you no vote?

I was going to reread before deciding whether to ask enchant to claim but then fell asleep on page 10 >_>

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VOTE: Dionysus

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Okay you hit me with the pedit

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I think if Dionysus is scum, NM is probably scum too. Feels like scum are hanging out in the background watching town implode

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@CSF you seem pretty certain that I'm scum but I don't actually know why. You said you have gone over 234 enough and don't want to again, but I would like you to because you said my answers to your questions off the back of that post were quite good (or, to be more accurate: not as bad as you were expecting). So I'm confused by you still citing this post. I'll be honest it feels like you made up your mind from this one post and have been tunnelling me since.

See 1445 and 1449

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Also you think Cephrir could be scum but you've done nothing to try to vote him out or try to push him to a claim. Instead you were vanity voting T3 for a good part of the game

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I think Brickwall has felt townier than both. I'm not sure about Save the Dragons or Enchant, if I had to pick, STD is probably townier than Enchant but eh

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i think i need to review. i feel like a lot of players could be scum

yeah basically this but I haven't had time. Friday or the long weekend I should have time to read more carefully

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You trusting furtive?

No >_>

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You trusting furtive?

No >_>

But you don't

distrust

me

I think the posts you quoted about Dionysus were p bad and don't understand why you're townreading him from that

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Thanks furtive, you've convinced me

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@CSF you seem pretty certain that I'm scum but I don't actually know why. You said you have gone over 234 enough and don't want to again, but I would like you to because you said my answers to your questions off the back of that post were quite good (or, to be more accurate: not as bad as you were expecting). So I'm confused by you still citing this post. I'll be honest it feels like you made up your mind from this one post and have been tunnelling me since.

See 1445 and 1449

You didn't answer me about 234!

Your suggestion that I am not trying to understand T3's mindset can be put back to you about me: I have clearly struggled at points to remain fully engaged with this game for reasons I've stated already and don't want to get bogged down with. Consider the plausibility that what I've said is true when you next try to work out my alignment because it might help shed a different light on what I've said.

234 is still a bad post? And furtive citing it as one of the posts he liked from you is kinda ???

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Like why are you confused by me citing 234 lol

Did you miss that furtive was the one to bring it up

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All right, claim enchant

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You’re lucky I was on mobile

You don't believe his claim?

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Dionysus or NM today

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People still voting Enchant, do you simply not believe his claim?

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VOTE: dionysus

VOTE: enchant

Anything in particular make you want to move back to Enchant here?

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Your suggestion that I am not trying to understand T3's mindset can be put back to you about me: I have clearly struggled at points to remain fully engaged with this game for reasons I've stated already and don't want to get bogged down with. Consider the plausibility that what I've said is true when you next try to work out my alignment because it might help shed a different light on what I've said.

ok, why should I townread you?

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@Dionysus, in general, you've given some thoughts on people when you've been asked of them. But I read these thoughts and the conclusions just feel really shaky to me.

You have Enchant, Eiralox, Cephrir, Penguin, maybe Brickwall and Not_Mafia as scum in 1491. And then who knows, maybe furtive is scum with Enchant as well! 1601

That's literally half the game, more than half if you exclude yourself. It really reads to me like you're deliberately keeping your scumpool open and are avoiding committing to real stances 1500.

You're also really reactive, both with your votes (not moving your vote off T3 until your scumread T3 prompts you to reconsider it) and in how you interact with the thread

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Uh.... Why not Brickwall?

Their posts generally feel solvy and genuine to me. 1566 is an example:

I’ll just answer now. Was watching something but the episode ended.

At first I thought your question was silly because STDs actions don’t impact mine. But, upon reflection it is actually a great question and made me pause and think.

Him moving on to Dion does actually make me reconsider. Reading Dion’s ISO he mentioned this is his first time in NY. So whilst I am guilty of always trying to give people the benefit of the doubt, this does make me reconsider my thoughts on Dion. Especially after their response in 1514, and more particularly 1519, I’m inclined to think Dion may be town. Despite me pushing them quite heavily D2 I must retract for now.

I would be more inclined for Enchant or STD.

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The bolded suggests Brick is not only thinking about

how

to answer your question but

why

you made your question. In essence, I think he was subtly trying to sort you [Eiralox] and evaluate whether you had a good reason for asking your question. Trying to answer "how" is what scum are more preoccupied with (especially newer scum players), but thinking about "why" is town indicative

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Mafia vanilla cop?

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GG all, well played scum!