Mini Normal 2300: THIS GAME HAS A VIG [game over]

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VOTE: bristep123

biggest number in name ⮕ dice have numbers ⮕ dice will favor the numbered one ⮕ more likely to be scum (mathematically)

hope you guys follow my logic

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also I haven't played a game in like two years so I hope I remember how to play LOL

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also I haven't played a game in like two years so I hope I remember how to play LOL

VOTE: Invisibility

Bad intro.

ah sweet we're out of the gates now

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in the interest of continued egress from gates I'll say I think it's very slightly towny for Umlaut to make the first like Actual Game Post that isn't just silly silliness since Mafia benefit from a stagnant town.

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VOTE: Malakittens

Patch...did you roll scum without me?

NOOO :SOB: I CHECKED MY PM AND I WAS VT AND I SWEAR I WAS SO MAD AHSDJASHAJ

At first it caught me off guard that you claimed VT here. Then I realized idk how this setup works and I couldn't find it anywhere. Is it one vig-type, two wolves, and the rest are VT?

I don't think we know anything except the title of the thread is probably true

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VOTE: Malakittens

Patch...did you roll scum without me?

NOOO :SOB: I CHECKED MY PM AND I WAS VT AND I SWEAR I WAS SO MAD AHSDJASHAJ

wait actually yeah why did you claim vt here

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also I haven't played a game in like two years so I hope I remember how to play LOL

VOTE: Invisibility

Bad intro.

how

Has the same feel as the sort of "gee I hope I can keep up with all you experienced seasoned players" comments that, ime, disproportionately come from scum.

true true I thought you were thinking I might be saying that to like get out of scrutiny. Didn't say it at first though cuz, if you're scum, I didn't want to immediately show you "this is the town line of thought and you can run with it". I don't know how much that applies when the line of thought is against me but whatevs

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VOTE: Black

I sense an imbalance of genuineness between Black and Patchwork. Also 17 and 26 feel sorta like nothing posts. Like duh asking for clarification on things is normal but, is that it?

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VOTE: Black

I sense an imbalance of genuineness between Black and Patchwork. Also 17 and 26 feel sorta like nothing posts. Like duh asking for clarification on things is normal but, is that it?

What are you expecting from me, realistically?
Do you want me to solve the game on page 1?

that would be helpful but I think that's not particularly feasible. But y'know take my vote as an open invitation to change my mind

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also can you explain what exactly you find weird about Patch's claim? Like there's obvious reasons but I want to hear yours specifically

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VOTE: Black

I sense an imbalance of genuineness between Black and Patchwork. Also 17 and 26 feel sorta like nothing posts. Like duh asking for clarification on things is normal but, is that it?

wdym by inbalance of genuineness?

just a gut thing

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that would be helpful but I think that's not particularly feasible. But y'know take my vote as an open invitation to change my mind

I can't take your vote seriously, sorry

I'll solve the game at my own pace

I am being a little silly w/ it. No rush. Just wanting to see stuff that doesn't look like filler. This post is a cool one though. Sounds like genuine frustration which is fair cuz I'm probably kind of annoying.

VOTE: bristep123

biggest number in name ⮕ dice have numbers ⮕ dice will favor the numbered one ⮕ more likely to be scum (mathematically)

hope you guys follow my logic

What???

I am saying nonsense here for silly reasons lol.

Invisibility’s analysis of Black’s genuineness feels odd and ironically not from a genuine place either.

how come?

Patch VT slip looks legitimate to me, I feel like it would have come out differently if it were artificial.

yeah I was thinking it could've been extremely weird scumplay but also more likely just town silliness. Not discarding the former theory entirely but the latter is more convincing

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the blue bear

it's a squirrel :(

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Something about this isn’t sitting right.
If you look at the sign up thread it looked like Patch and Black have some type of game hx. It looks like they are friends of some sort so them bickering on page 1 doesn’t really feel bothersome.

Now if they were to continue all game that would be a red flag imo, but right now, no.

However, you being super hung up on something like this early makes me feel like you are trying to make something out of a molehill into a hill.

it wasn't meant to be an olive branch more like a prodding y'know. But said in a suave and humorous way to be cool or whatever. Ok that's probably still arguably an olive branch but whatever try to understand. I'm trying to help the game start and transmuting molehills into mountains is a good way to do it I've found (it seemed to have helped. This is so awesome). That's not to say I don't genuinely believe that Black is scummy like she's the scummiest person to me mostly because no one else has seemed particularly scummy to me thus far but still an avenue I believe has legitimate value in going down.

also I don't really care about the fact that they were doing A Bit of Banter. My gut's telling me Black's responses feel off (and I trust my gut!) but the posts feeling like filler as in they seemed like the kind of posts scum would make to try to appear to be thinking through stuff and things while not actually doing that.

anyway you're probably right that I should keep the PRESSURE GOING (jk you didn't actually tell me this). I don't see a reason to be swayed by any of Black's newer posts except for getting annoyed at me in a way that feels kinda genuine and towny lol (like scum can also genuinely get annoyed at me cuz I'm (probably) annoying but it felt more like town-annoyance than scum-annoyance. This is also a gut thing).

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the blue bear

it's a squirrel :(

If doesn’t look like a squirrel

well technically it's a kacheek from neopets which are supposed to be squirrels probably

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Invisibility’s analysis of Black’s genuineness feels odd and ironically not from a genuine place either.

how come?

Blacks posts are early and not serious, feels like you may be sewing seeds picking at something which is actually nothing.

her statements about the slip were serious and I think that's something

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If you look at the sign up thread it looked like Patch and Black have some type of game hx. It looks like they are friends of some sort so them bickering on page 1 doesn’t really feel bothersome.

Now if they were to continue all game that would be a red flag imo, but right now, no.

wait do you think I'm upset about like, 6? Are you misunderstanding which molehill I'm making a mountain of

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If you look at the sign up thread it looked like Patch and Black have some type of game hx. It looks like they are friends of some sort so them bickering on page 1 doesn’t really feel bothersome.

Now if they were to continue all game that would be a red flag imo, but right now, no.

wait do you think I'm upset about like, 6? Are you misunderstanding which molehill I'm making a mountain of

don't misunderstand me. I found 17 and to a lesser but not that much lesser extent 26 to feel disingenuous especially in comparison to Patch's initial posts which didn't seem fake to me. 6 is totally NAI.

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26 doesn’t bother me.

Black has done that in probably all of the games I have played with her.

She did it when she was my right hand girl and I ended up having to claim her role in order to survive and then ended up dying bc I revealed my true role which was a dayvig

has done what

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I am actually very confused as to why you scumread me other than that it involves mountains and molehills

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things uttered in the year 2300

"can you spot me for tonight? i got hacked and lost all of my bezos bucks again"

I like this theme it is silly

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oh ok well if I take your word for it that this is normal Black stuff to say, that doesn't alleviate most of my suspicion anyway

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this referring to specifically the sentence Mala quoted but that was probably obvious blblblbl

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at the risk of sounding like a broken record I ask again what do you not like about me Mala if not for thinking that I didn't like the very very first Banter posts? Sorry if this feels like pestering but I want to be sure I know what you're saying especially in light of my responses to what you've said (if anything's changed lol)

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uhh out of curiosity why do you care so much about mala scumreading you
i mean it's a little concerning because of how they haven't explicitly stated the reason why but you just keep focusing on it and it comes across a little weird to me

idk what else to talk about. Also their argument is kinda strange to me since it currently looks like mostly nothing and I wanna get to the bottom of this or whatever

do you have any suggestions for other stuff to talk about

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tbh I think your perception of my level of concern is kind of skewed cuz I spam and also Mala has been sort of responding to me which is why I'm engaging with that since like other people aren't talking so much right now (not criticizing them or anything though like it's fine. No one's activity has been inordinately nonexistent just relatively or whatever)

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[quote=geraintm post_id=13760288 post_num=59 time=<a href="tel:1682795311" style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">1682795311</a> user_id=2369]VOTE: malakittens

okay i found something what's your opinion on this vote invisibility
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I assumed it was a joke in response to Mala voting them so I didn't pay it much mind though I wish they'd have said like, anything else

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what

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VOTE: malakittens

hi

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VOTE: malakittens

hi

why?

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VC 1.03

Malakittens

(5): Venmar, Black, Umlaut, geraintm, Not Known 15

Black

(2): T3, Invisibility

Invisibility

(1): Malakittens

Not Voting

(3): bristep123,

Greeting

, patchwork

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to accidentally disassemble a player. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-05-09 12:20:00).

🤔

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personally i was just like "what" because we have a few players here who have literally said absolutely nothing

wait was your confusion a consequence of people's inactivity or like at least Gera's? I'm confused

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wait greeting is a player and not a typo oh my god

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sorry skygazer and also greeting

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oh okay yeah I get you. Also I'll give my thoughts on people later cuz I need to do stuff right now lolz and should probably stop procrastinating with mafia

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response to 96 btw lol

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This is scum mala trying to fling dirt anywhere until it sticks. This is not even remotely the town mala I have played with either.

the dirt seems to be flung at me specifically. I don't like NK15 hopping on the Mala wagon as they began facing heat and this explanation is bad

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This is scum mala trying to fling dirt anywhere until it sticks. This is not even remotely the town mala I have played with either.

the dirt seems to be flung at me specifically. I don't like NK15 hopping on the Mala wagon as they began facing heat and this explanation is bad

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whoops

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This is scum mala trying to fling dirt anywhere until it sticks. This is not even remotely the town mala I have played with either.

the dirt seems to be flung at me specifically. I don't like NK15 hopping on the Mala wagon as they began facing heat and this explanation is bad

i mean it's a meta read so i'm just taking his word for it until mala pops in with a link to a scumgame and a towngame so i can read them to confirm

yeah the latter I can't say anything about but the former isn't a meta read. It's just wrong

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Mala does read differently from the last game we played together - they were town then but it’s the only game I’ve played to conclusion in a long time. Not sure yet if they’re playing differently enough to convince me this is definitely Mala on the opposite side this time.

is there something in particular that you think is different? I know you're not super convinced but I'd still like to hear

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yeah the latter I can't say anything about but the former isn't a meta read. It's just wrong

wait what's "the former"?

Mala flinging dirt everywhere when it's just at me unless I'm forgetting something

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also my fabled thoughts on everyone:
I don't like Gera's silly fake hammer but I dunno if it was scummy or just lame
Black still irks me for the same reasons
Umlaut has no reason to lose their slight townread status I guess
Mala was kinda scummy for their weird argument and their not elaborating but NK's vote is changing my mind a little
NK is suspicious for reason's I've already said
Patch seems reasonably townie

everyone else I can't really say anything rn

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y'know what I don't like Bris. Their posts are either not moving the game forward or are just reiterating a point stated by someone else but with less confidence.

VOTE: Bristep

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Bris what do you think NK's vote on Mala and their justification for doing so says about NK?

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I think it's helpful if things are down to the wire cuz it puts a bunch of pressure on scum and gives all the info about what town did at night

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y'know what I don't like Bris. Their posts are either not moving the game forward or are just reiterating a point stated by someone else but with less confidence.

VOTE: Bristep

That seems to be standard, game 2296 if you want to compare/contrast.

I might check but also I don't usually do meta stuff. Not because it's bad, it's useful in a lot of scenarios, I just find it boring lol. Also I'm inclined to distrust self-meta anyway.

Bris what do you think NK's vote on Mala and their justification for doing so says about NK?

It’s not great content, but I do wonder if scum would drop a vote to take to e-1 then only explain some time after with an unquantified meta explanation. But, I don’t see Mala flinging dirt all over, yes they’re not absolutely the same as the last game we played but not enough for NKs statement to ring true for me. I’d like more expansion from nk with some more explanation to back up their read.

true true though. That is pretty ballsy for scum, but scum have done ballsier things.

do you find anyone suspicious, Bris?

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y'know what I don't like Bris. Their posts are either not moving the game forward or are just reiterating a point stated by someone else but with less confidence.

VOTE: Bristep

I don't like Invisible posts.

Complaining about not moving the game forward when people aren't even all present is just....fake outrage. Saying they are doing it with less confidence....well by definition there is a 50% of anyone doing that.

Like, if you want to neg someone just do it better.

Naughty point for Invisibile

pretending to be productive is more telling than just not being here

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VOTE: Black

I sense an imbalance of genuineness between Black and Patchwork. Also 17 and 26 feel sorta like nothing posts. Like duh asking for clarification on things is normal but, is that it?

What does scum!Black have to gain from asking those questions?

lookin' productive

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Nk prob wanted to see what I’d do under pressure. He masked it by actually giving a semi chorent response.
It’s a nice change from his naked votes without a reason.

oh possibly possibly

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like I still find it scummy but I hadn't thought about that before

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Checking in!

wait greeting is a player and not a typo oh my god

lol

hi

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I think they're taking the game seriously now but I still don't have a read on them. Shrug

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I like the sentiment of 154 defending Invis, but can't draw alignment conclusions from it except that it's probably not S/S

are you my number one fan lol

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misread how lol

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I think

Malakittens

deserves a townlean for the time being.

Reasons being:

- her meta in this game so far matches her usual town meta;
- she was put at E-1 in the first few pages of RVS, which I don't think is likely to happen for a scum member.

VC 1.03

Malakittens

(5): Venmar, Black, Umlaut, geraintm, Not Known 15

This wagon has got to have at least one scum in it, and I don't think that a scum team would want to put their teammate in danger.

agree with this btw ^^^^^ except for the meta part. Can't say anything about that lol.
also Mala gave a more complete explanation on their scumread of me so I am okay with that now

in fact I'm down for applying pressure to people on this wagon VOTE: Umlaut. Also I'm weirded out by Umlaut basically only talking about me which I can't draw any concrete conclusions about but weird is weird!!

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haha cool

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why have you kept your vote on Mala this whole time?

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why have you kept your vote on Mala this whole time?

Where should it be instead?

I don't townread them, that's enough reason to vote someone right now.

don't have any suggestions for you, just wondering. Mostly surprised that no one has piqued your interest. Like, if you had a stronger case on Mala I'd be more inclined to be okay with your vote, but as it stands I think there's better reasons to vote someone right now than "least good individual" (especially when, imo, the wagon smells fishy). Also, you put them in bottom rung of your list so your opinions seem stronger than least good individual lol

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also 182 is kinda bad in terms of analysis but it kinda feels like town bad lol

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VOTE: Umlaut

No I will not explain but y'all should sheep me

That's a bad idea! I recently misread umlaut so I'd like to see the reasons here.

No I think it's a good idea. Reasons = vibes

vibes=I am scum and I hide behind unprovable things
Well, not always, but it is a possibility.
In this case
VOTE: Venmar

one's gut is trustworthy!

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like what do you mean

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I think Venmar is expressing a gutread. All of NK's posts have been nonsense though lol

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oh there's a whole another page whoops

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VOTE: Umlaut

No I will not explain but y'all should sheep me

That's a bad idea! I recently misread umlaut so I'd like to see the reasons here.

No I think it's a good idea. Reasons = vibes

vibes=I am scum and I hide behind unprovable things
Well, not always, but it is a possibility.
In this case
VOTE: Venmar

i don't get what either of these two posts mean

was responding to thissss

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wow I just wasted four posts!

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I don't think "vibereads" are necessarily more likely to come from either side

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framing his read on Mala like it was something bigger than it actually is

wdym by this?

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Good vibes:

Malakitten
Gera
Greeting

Null vibes:

Greeting (kinda lean good)
Invisibility (kinda lean good)
Patchwork (kinda lean bad)

Bad vibes:

Umlaut

Black

Bristep

Bolded has become firmer in this category unfortunately

why

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The promised thoughts and opinions never came, instead votes on vibes. I tend to go with gut and vibes early on as well but I won’t promise opinions and thoughts beforehand.

this is a really good point

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Black and I agree on a lot of this. This is cool.

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a lot of things* though I guess a lot of this also works

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VOTE: Venmar

doing this cuz good points were raised and also I feel better about the people on this wagon

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can someone explain why they're voting umlaut? they've just kind of been unremarkable this game

I was voting Umlaut cuz of their unremarkableness aka felt like coasting or whatever the right word is. Also cuz they were on the Mala wagon which I think scum was probably on

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{Invisibility}
{patchwork, Black}
{Not Known 15}
{geraintm, Venmar, T3, Greeting}
{Malakittens, bristep123}

can you explain a read from here that isn't me or nk15 pick your favorite

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severe lack of thoughts from the Umlaut department

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wait that sounds like I'm calling them dumb. I mean expressions of original thoughts

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Patch can I ask why you're not voting anyone right now?

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bri (bad vibes to me)

wait have you explained this or does it start and end with vibes

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158 - this is how I feel about geraintm atm. I like that mala sees this too

we've not played together before. i'm a joy Day 1

I think you're funny Gera

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I realize Blacks reasoning is more nuanced but I think y'all are being opportunistic and voting me for taking a laid back approach to this game and its easy convenient for scum to take advantage of that and push an easy wagon, and that's the vibe Black is giving me!

Well, if you are town you might have to do some actual non-vibe reads! Everyone gets vibes sometimes, and if you do it's time to see where these vibes come from. I am especially interested in the townvibe on geraintm.

this feels like a reiteration of NK15's previous not all that good read on Venmar now that it's opportune. I forgot about that read! This complicates things!

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T3 can you explain why I’m so further down on your list. I’m highly upset.

I didn't like your Invisibility scumread and you haven't done anything towny

:?

the invisibility scumread is pretty bad though tbh

do you find Mala scummy?

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lol it's okay I was mostly just saying that so you wouldn't just say that you had a nullread on NK since I was frustated at the not-content of many of your posts LOL

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but your most recent post is cool in the content department. This is so awesome

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I think your scumread on me was OK once you explained yourself and also we cleared up some confusion I think

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like my main qualm was that it seemed weird and vague

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That’s me in a nutshell
Weird n vague

up top!

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do you find Mala scummy?

ehhh null. i don't really know how to read them (her? idk). the read was bad until it was explained and i still don't really understand why there was a scumread since i've gotten town vibes from you since the first few pages. i still think it might be a chainsaw, but.. idk.
mala's kind of a weird slot that i will probably ISO when i get the time. i haven't thought much about them and they haven't been very present imo but it's hard for me to read them.

did you find Mala's read on me scummy at any point?

also in 300 you said the read was bad and now you're saying the read was bad until it was explained, but like, this post and that post were both made long after they explained their read so I'm confused as to what changed

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ok I basically got what I wanted to see from Venmar. UNVOTE: . Which was content. I don't think accidentally putting someone on your readlist twice is scummy

umm idk I've been itching to vote NK for a while VOTE: not known

man have my last few votes just been like, this person is humorously slow effort. God. Here I actually feel more confident on a scumread. I should've just voted here sooner. Like people were scummy but blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh they became less not-effortful and suddenly I realize that maybe I'm the lazy one! Jk no I'm not but I realize that I need to seriously reevaluate my reads on all of everybody now lolz

dang I guess I am taking the lazy approach that Venmar said we were!!!! Fearful! Fearful! Ok whatever starting right now I'm putting one billion effort into the game (I don't actually agree that Black is taking advantage of a lazy town. I am just being silly. Except scum probably is taking advantage of a lazy town)

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wuh

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I don't remember playing with Invisibility before, I don't remember thr picture.

I checked their profile and it says they are 18. Is this hyperactive posting normal for them? I would say it gives me weird vibes, but vibes are not something anyone should be using to find scum. That should just be down to any investigators.

I think I am just a hyperactive person

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ok I basically got what I wanted to see from Venmar. UNVOTE: . Which was content.

Curious about this. Venmar's content was basically attacking the person that attacked him. Personally I think we need to see a lot more solving from this slot

tru but whatever I'll keep my eye on Venmar. I kinda just need to reevaluate everyone

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oh also NK's vote felt opportunistic (again) which made me feel worse about the vote. I already mentioned that but not on that post I forgot

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I think geraintm just flash-voting me for the 'slip' there is towny but not as convinced by Black calling it out because her whole musing about "maybe it's 2 scum, maybe it's 3" seems like it could be trying to sell people on her not knowing the setup. I know it sounds kind of like a bad incentive to start handing out more townpoints for naked-voting than for explaining oneself but it is what it is

I mean the simplest motivation would just be to have a 'legitimate' legible reason to call me scum and get me yeeted.

I'm not saying you're scum, I'm just saying you don't get townpoints for the callout.

the way you were saying it sounded a lot like you were saying it's scummy. Like "could be trying to sell people"? If it's not scummy, why are you musing about scum!Black's motivation for that post?

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Umlaut are you saying that post could have just as easily come from town as it did scum

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Umlaut are you saying that post could have just as easily come from town as it did scum

I think so, probably it points a

little

bit to town because on further reflection it seems like scum would be more likely to triple-check before accusing me of a 'slip' that they know isn't one.

oh ok I understand now. At first I thought you were trying to make a really weird case and then backing down lol

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VOTE: Greeting

I didn't like how Greeting just said that "this readlist smells like bs" without explanation. Greeting's explanation for why Mala should be townleaned in 206 was stating some obvious facts with no real insight, and then framing his read on Mala like it was something bigger than it actually is.

T3 can you explain why I’m so further down on your list. I’m highly upset.

I didn't like your Invisibility scumread and you haven't done anything towny

do you think the "obvious facts" that Greeting mentioned say anything about Mala?

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ok I basically got what I wanted to see from Venmar. UNVOTE: . Which was content. I don't think accidentally putting someone on your readlist twice is scummy

umm idk I've been itching to vote NK for a while VOTE: not known

man have my last few votes just been like, this person is humorously slow effort. God. Here I actually feel more confident on a scumread. I should've just voted here sooner. Like people were scummy but blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh they became less not-effortful and suddenly I realize that maybe I'm the lazy one! Jk no I'm not but I realize that I need to seriously reevaluate my reads on all of everybody now lolz

dang I guess I am taking the lazy approach that Venmar said we were!!!! Fearful! Fearful! Ok whatever starting right now I'm putting one billion effort into the game (I don't actually agree that Black is taking advantage of a lazy town. I am just being silly. Except scum probably is taking advantage of a lazy town)

NK is always extremely low effort, to the point where people sometimes think that he's deliberately throwing. It's definitely a bit annoying to play with, but you have to read him in other ways. Otherwise his flip gives no info.

I have played with NK before. I have other reasons that I've already dicussed

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I'm not a huge fan of Venmar's response to my vote but I think the frustration feels real. I think this slot might actually flip town

yeah I agree. Plus the wagon irks me

could you explain why we wanna vote Umalut like I kinda get it but I also kinda don't

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aw man why do I gotta be the one who's not on an e-1 wagon

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I think Venmar and Black is TvT. They both seem like they're working hard to sort each other and also they are making good and also not as good points about each other

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aw man why do I gotta be the one who's not on an e-1 wagon

also I'm being silly. I know someone could just as well switch their vote

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also I already said but my hyperactive posting is NAI. This is just how I post because it's what my thoughts sound like

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I think Venmar is town. Umlaut kinda bugs me for their early posting. My gut still tells me 357 is also kind of a weird post but my mind tells me that it could have easily come from town and makes sense lol so I'm ignoring my gut here. I dunno has anyone made a comprehensive case on Umlaut

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and obviously I don't feel confident enough to hammer Umlaut

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Patch do you got the Umlaut case ready

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yeah that's probably how it's gonna go yeah

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but y'know I'd like to maybe he more of people's feelings since that'll at least be good to analyze later with the context of your flip

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but y'know I'd like to maybe hear more of people's feelings since that'll at least be good to analyze later with the context of your flip

ebwop

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Patch do you got the Umlaut case ready

shit
i forgot about that

lol it's okay. We got time

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oo!

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I'm all for this not being the end of the day mostly cuz I don't like voting someone for mostly not being as townie as the other guy on deck. Like I thought these two wagons were just where we were gonna sit until elim but thsi is preferable

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Patch how do you read Black

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Patch do you got the Umlaut case ready

I hate this post, and most of what I have skimmed the last few pages.

can you explain what else you hate

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we aren't what

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VOTE: nk

also before we were RUDELY interrupted I wanted to say

Patch do you got the Umlaut case ready

I hate this post, and most of what I have skimmed the last few pages.

can you explain what else you hate

You are way too wager to eliminate a slot I reckon is 90%+ to flip green. No one should be so happy. And encouraging others to go along on a doomed ride is bad.

I thought this post was kind of weird cuz I fail to see how I was overeager. Like I wanted to hear a compiled case before hammering (partially so that I could sleep better at night knowing I was informed but largely to be able to read people based on the result of the flip) but also I still had an idea of who I was gonna elim considering that the other e-1 wagon was someone a townread. I see where you might be coming from, thinking that I was looking for an easy way to justify hammering a townie, but I don't think that makes sense here considering that Umlaut's execution was the inevitable result if nothing changed, which it didn't seem like it would (and it didn't!). Also I didn't encourage anyone to go on a doomed ride. They'd already bought their tickets and were in their seats. Not sure what I was doing there to keep that going, unless you mean not screaming and crying to leave Umlaut alone.

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Gosh darn it, who is scum?

how do you feel about Black right now?

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VOTE: Venmar
That's very very likely scum.

why's that?

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I got some town vibes from our exchange on D1 Venmar

you never went into detail I don't think. What changed your mind?

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NK's hammer sucked but I'm also voting them cuz of their votes for Venmar to e-1 and Mala being very poorly justified and seeming more opportunistic than anything

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thinking about it some more how much can we glean from NK's hammer specifically? Like I feel like it's the type of thing where it's too ballsy for scum to do which is why scum would do it as a wacky gambit or whatever. Still keeping my vote there cuz of their other stuff yesterday.

Greeting, why did you put NK to e-1?

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I noticed Mala's fluffiness yesterday but I didn't say anything cuz a lot of people weren't particularly productive yesterday lol

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explain why please

I've re-evaluated my townread on her. I feel like she hasn't really done anything I can remember and I feel like I've given her a mental pass till now and would like to add a bit of pressure if possible.

Plus I took a quick look at T3's ISO cause I feel like there must've been a reason for him dying and his main scumreads were Greeting, Mala and Umlaut/Bris in that order of strength? Could've been a random NK or could've been silenced to take some pressure off of Greeting or Mala and I kinda like Greeting more but I'd like to pressure both. Latter feels more plausible than misdirection since NK15 or I probably felt like the obvious D2 pushes anyway.

I'm probably trying to overthink this idk?

oh, no, that makes sense
imo about the nk i think it's more likely to be greeting than mala but i think pressuring mala would be good too.

what about the NK makes you suspect Greeting? Also do you mean that the NK makes you suspect Mala also

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VOTE: Greeting

y'know I think this avenue might be profitable to go down

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I agree with Bris's assessment of Greeting's wagon analysis and I don't like Greeting putting NK to e-1 cuz it could very well be the case that Greeting viewed NK as an easy mode elim

pedit: this is a follow up explanation to my vote not a reply to Black lol but that was probably obvious

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Patch what's your read on Black rn?

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what about the NK makes you suspect Greeting? Also do you mean that the NK makes you suspect Mala also

echoign venmar's night kill analysis: i think the t3 kill was done to either silence him (his top scumreads were greeting and mala) or to frame his scumreads (greeting and mala). at the moment i think it could be either, but i think the former is more likely. mostly because other players like bri also had scumreads on, say, greeting (correct me if i'm wrong, memory is fuzzy) and they weren't the subject of the nk.
man idk how to explain this
but it's like
t3 only
everyone else who scumread them wasn't (e.g me with my null-scum read on mala that hasn't gotten better, all the other ppl who scumread greeting)
and i think iut's because t3 wasn't really that voted on? like they were towny in my eyes and they were the only one who couldn't be eliminated by a hang in my eyes i jus tdon't think it wouldn't go through

are you saying that T3 specifically was killed to be silenced because the mafia wouldn't be able to cause an elim of them?

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VC 2.05

Malakittens

(2): Venmar, patchwork

Greeting

(2): bristep123, Invisibility

Venmar

(2): Not Known 15, Malakittens

Not Known 15

(1): Greeting

Not Voting

(2): geraintm, Black

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to put a player on the blocking chop. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-05-16 09:40:00).

mod notes: spooky post number

Not really keen on any of the top wagons, so I will be keeping my vote where it is for now.

I'm not exactly sure why the wagon disappeared in the first place. I've been asked why did I put

Not Known 15

on E-1, but maybe the question should be reversed. Why shouldn't

N K 15

be eliminated today?

never said that. Just thought e-1 so early in the day was a little unnecessary and I wanted to hear your rationale

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hi

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VOTE: Invisibility

knock

who's there?

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do you have an actual refutation to that lol

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; What are your thoughts on Malakitten and Black?

Black is town and Mala is probably like a townlean

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do you suspect anyone right now Black

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what if Greeting and Enchant are the scumteam and Greeting contrived a bad reason to elim Enchant cuz they viewed it as an inevitability due to the lolhammer since if Enchant had to explode then they could implicate Bristep with them? That would be funny. Bristep probably looked like an easy target. Could also be possible that Enchant is town here in this situation but I also don't like them for separate reasons. Either way I feel more betterer about where my vote currently is

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though part of me does want to vote Enchant cuz 1. it would be funny and 2. I want to

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Mala what changed between you not understanding the Umlaut votes and voting Umlaut?

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ok so I reread Venmar's iso and there was some good points on Mala that Venmar made that I forgot about/didn't give enough thought so VOTE: Mala good place to pressure. Especially the E-1 thing cuz I first thought the situation was similar to Gera getting mad at me for seemingly getting too giddy to elim when it was kind of an inevitability but Mala voted at a time when an elim of either Umlaut or Venmar didn't seem so inevitable

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VOTE: Black

Can we try this if you guys like Mala. Idk why any of you do tbh its kinda frustrating

what is your current interpretation of the discussion you had last yesterday with Black? Also has anything she's done today changed your opinion on her? (other you viewing her as focusing on Patch too much which you've already said)

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VOTE: Black

Can we try this if you guys like Mala. Idk why any of you do tbh its kinda frustrating

what is your current interpretation of the discussion you had last yesterday with Black? Also has anything she's done today changed your opinion on her? (other you viewing her as focusing on Patch too much which you've already said)

Why do you keep asking people what they think of me? You did it with patches and now Venmar

Patch cuz they seemed to have a weirdly unopinionated read while also talking about you like they had opinions so I wanted to see if anything changed. Venmar cuz there seemed to be some degree of conciliation at the end of last night and I wanted to track if anything today changed that

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though part of me does want to vote Enchant cuz 1. it would be funny and 2. I want to

Missed chance to vote and instantly revote back.

Which you will never recover.

god you're right. Worst day of my life

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VOTE: Black

Can we try this if you guys like Mala. Idk why any of you do tbh its kinda frustrating

what is your current interpretation of the discussion you had last yesterday with Black? Also has anything she's done today changed your opinion on her? (other you viewing her as focusing on Patch too much which you've already said)

I still think Black is scum, I hope this clears it up. Her posts recently have reinforced my thoughts on this, #721 and #723 just ping my gut among others

yeah ok good to know

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it's ok Enchant I respect your opinion. Give me an opinion right now I can prove it

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sheep are vertebrates

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Even then i know better than putting ppl at E-1

that is respectable I am respecting that

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idk what to say other than that it does help me sort them esp if there's inconsistencies or the progression feels unnatural

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idk what to say other than that it does help me sort them esp if there's inconsistencies or the progression feels unnatural

what is the scum motivation for keeping a close eye of reads on you specifically Black

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what is the scum motivation for keeping a close eye of reads on you specifically Black

Scum want to keep tabs on this to know who they should take to the endgame. But I do vibe with your explanation that you're trying to solve by noticing inconsistencies. I think asking them what they think about me is probably the most shallow way to do this but it's viable

shrugs

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what if you just think I'm annoying Gera

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what if you just think I'm annoying Gera

Yep, you just might be. But I think you are more likely than the average bear to be scum

You being annoying doesn't mean you can't be scum

blurrghh yeah you have points that aren't about how I talk lol. But like, your reads on me seem to be probably influenced by my posting style which is like, just how I post. You seem to be aware if this though so whatevs. Also I think you're annoyed in a town way like it's not scum trying to make something out of nothing it's just genuine town feels emotions etc.

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my townread on Patch is diminishing. I don't see them making a whole lot of actual concrete position taking and it sorta seems like they're actively avoiding it even when pressed. Not a scumread cuz I can't pinpoint scum intent beyond hanging out in the background but I can't confidently townread them. This is why I was concerned about their read on Black cuz they seemed to have a lot to say about Black and yet they are still like "hmm dunno guys" about her? Rubs me the wrong way.

that being said I do like the analysis in 651

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VOTE: patchwork

sorry Venmar but I kinda wanna see where this goes actually

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what if you just think I'm annoying Gera

Yep, you just might be. But I think you are more likely than the average bear to be scum

You being annoying doesn't mean you can't be scum

blurrghh yeah you have points that aren't about how I talk lol. But like, your reads on me seem to be probably influenced by my posting style which is like, just how I post. You seem to be aware if this though so whatevs. Also I think you're annoyed in a town way like it's not scum trying to make something out of nothing it's just genuine town feels emotions etc.

I dislike intensly everytime you ask for other people's opinions on someone, I find it an awful style that can be used to excuse your own actions

yeah okay I can sleep at night with that

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I felt like he was genuinely sorting d1 but since then the townread has faded. I’m not going to put him to e-1 bc I don’t really think patch is scummier than venmar.

he?

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VOTE: patchwork

I still like greeting but patchwork is worth a wagon as well. In addition to my feelings earlier I’m also not happy about the votes onto existing wagons with no real justification. Promised a case on umlaut but that never came, hopped onto NK maybe to deflect from them, and then onto greeting on the back of my vote.

their case on Umlaut didn't come cuz the day ended prematurely LOL. Also why would they need to deflect? No one suspected them at the start of D2. What are you talking about

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also if you scumread Greeting do you think Patchwork is deflecting from themself onto their partner?? What does that do for them

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Speculation on my part. I’m going on vibes and I don’t like theirs.

Black you won’t need a deep dive on mine, it won’t take you long at all. I’ll admit I’ve been low content, combination of busy home/work period and relative inexperience.

Invis on your last point - patchwork isn’t voting greeting they voted nk/enchant which is what I referred to.

oh LOL whoops. My point about deflection and stuff still stands

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Venmar dude chill

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I’d feel better about you if you’d said there wasn’t enough time because you were busy after forgetting but you and invis both pushing the idea that the hammer was right after the reminder is misrep.

when did I say that? How is this misrep? Also they did say they were busy lol

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also did I personally insult anyone this game? If so I apologize

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I don't remember anyone being mean or using personal insults this game..?

nah you're good in that department. I'm saying that cuz you're getting very upset that no one is doing your wagons or whatever

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Also I get that you’re trying to read me but you’re also voting patch while questioning my reasons for doing the same.

is this a crime

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very confused as to why you pointed that out even. Like, I know who I'm voting and who I'm making posts about, thank you?

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the despair in the air is dense! And lame! Apathy is how towns lose!

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well it's more like two specific individuals but it's still lame! Sadness is contagious! But so is a smile :)

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I don't think it's even scummy in this situation. Just boring and lame

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Yeah, I am townreading a lot of players, but honestly I tried reevaluating my reads and still came to similar conclusions. If the scum team is not

Enchant

/

bristep123

, then I would go after

Black

, who, upon re-reading isn't as towny as I previously thought.

Patchwork

has no reason to come after me if he is scum, because I will flip town and they would know it. Which is why I think they're town.

Greeting is mafia lol

lol ok no way Greeting and Enchant are the scumteam

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Patchwork

has no reason to come after me if he is scum, because I will flip town and they would know it. Which is why I think they're town.

who's "he"

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if you mean like Patch has no reason to vote you if they are scum and you'll flip town then that makes no sense. Like you have to give a little more justification for why scum would avoid this situation. Scum vote town all the time actually

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Greeting asked you a question I think

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why r people voting me again

my townread on Patch is diminishing. I don't see them making a whole lot of actual concrete position taking and it sorta seems like they're actively avoiding it even when pressed. Not a scumread cuz I can't pinpoint scum intent beyond hanging out in the background but I can't confidently townread them. This is why I was concerned about their read on Black cuz they seemed to have a lot to say about Black and yet they are still like "hmm dunno guys" about her? Rubs me the wrong way.

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and then I voted you for funny pressure

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Gera is very likely town. Like people are saying he's useless (including Gera himself lolz) but I think his posts show genuine gamesolving. I also like 863 since the argument used against Venmar is similar to Gera's argument against me which shows a consistent thought process and way of viewing things and stuff. The defeatism is a little BORING but I think it comes from town here. Okay thinking about it I guess it could have scum intent cuz like we might be in a fertile ground for apathy what with everyone being like "bleh I can't read nobody :(" but nah that's not really that likely cuz I think for scum that's too high risk without a worthwhile reward unless you single-handedly kill the towns morale lol

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why r people voting me again

my townread on Patch is diminishing. I don't see them making a whole lot of actual concrete position taking and it sorta seems like they're actively avoiding it even when pressed. Not a scumread cuz I can't pinpoint scum intent beyond hanging out in the background but I can't confidently townread them. This is why I was concerned about their read on Black cuz they seemed to have a lot to say about Black and yet they are still like "hmm dunno guys" about her? Rubs me the wrong way.

wdym "avoiding it even when pressed"? im pretty sure my vote on greeting is a pretty hot take
also where did i say that

Spoiler: Patch talking about Black

I think Venmar and Black is TvT. They both seem like they're working hard to sort each other and also they are making good and also not as good points about each other

mindmeld

I'm not getting the impression that you townread me here. At best it seems like you have me at null based on all the "off" feelings you've been getting? So this "mindmeld" feels weird

i'm not saying i townread you (definitely still a null or if i'm more generous maybe null-town), but in terms of association your interaction with venmar is more likely to be unpartnered
therefore mindmeld

something feels off about black here tbh... i've played a lot of games with her and this doesn't really feel like town black here. it reminds me more of her play in 2113 where she mostly sat around looking like she was contributing but not really doing much if that makes sense? but i also don't remember 2113 all that well so i'm not too confident about it. i agree with a lot of the stuff she says but none of that warrants a townread, town and scum can agree on things and it's not neccesarily AI

it just seems like you were kinda fixated on venmar for a while which reminds me of ur tunnel on empath in 2113

I'm not sure how you could legitimately have this impression, but ig if you're not reading then it might make sense. I talked about other stuff even when I was engaging with Venmar, so why do you think I was fixated on him? And how can you compare that with the Empath thing which lasted for like 4 days?

i dunno, you were kind of in my blind zone for a while and i was like. oh. black is pushing venmar. little silly. *moves on*
and oops yeah my sense of time is kind of messed up

Patch what's your read on Black rn?

i'd say null leaning town. idk how to sort her cuz i can't Meta

you've described things that should presumably let you sort Black and yet you say you don't know cuz you can't meta? Like, I would be more understanding if you described conflicting feelings or whatever but saying you can't meta sounds like a lame excuse. There are more ways to sort people than just through meta.

also your Greeting vote isn't a hot take. Several people suspect Greeting. The only reason you've stated for disliking them (unless I missed one) was in large part a reiteration of what Venmar had already said which does represent a more conclusive stance than you've made on like, basically anyone else, but isn't indicative of any original thought.

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Gera is very likely town. Like people are saying he's useless (including Gera himself lolz) but I think his posts show genuine gamesolving. I also like 863 since the argument used against Venmar is similar to Gera's argument against me which shows a consistent thought process and way of viewing things and stuff. The defeatism is a little BORING but I think it comes from town here. Okay thinking about it I guess it could have scum intent cuz like we might be in a fertile ground for apathy what with everyone being like "bleh I can't read nobody :(" but nah that's not really that likely cuz I think for scum that's too high risk without a worthwhile reward unless you single-handedly kill the towns morale lol

I think gera is probably town too. What are your thoughts on Greeting?

scummy for reasons that I'd like to wait a short moment to elaborate on if that's okay

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also yeah i kinda lost interest in this game lol

I don't think patch loses interest in this game if they are scum

how come?

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you've described things that should presumably let you sort Black and yet you say you don't know cuz you can't meta? Like, I would be more understanding if you described conflicting feelings or whatever but saying you can't meta sounds like a lame excuse. There are more ways to sort people than just through meta.

HOW
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how is it an excuse? i'm saying i don't know how to sort her because i can't apply meta to her properly. when i'm playing with familiar players, i often use their meta to give me a thing to be confident about, because if they match up, oh, cool, if they don't, oh, wacky! in this case, i didn't know how to sort her, because i've only watched a few of her games and played with her as scum once. on top of this, she mimics her townplay as scum, so at that point i didn't really have a sense of familiarity because it could go either way. however, at the moment, i'd say black is town, mostly because of the interactions between black and venmar. i read venmar as town for reasons i've talked about earlier, and i read black and venmar's argument as either t/t or w/w. it reasd as more t/t to me ebcause the way they got into that argument and resolved it felt towny and genuine to me. so a hesitant townread on them both.

I'm not criticizing you being unable to meta here. I'm saying that you seem like you should be able to take more of a stance on Black than you have from the attention you've given her, and if you're getting mixed messages or whatever I'd expect you to like, say so? If meta isn't working I'd expect you to try another angle of approach, so that's why I find you just saying you can't sort Black because you can't meta her scummy. It smacks of someone who doesn't want to confidently take a side so they produce a reason they think is reasonable, rather than someone who is actively sorting and taking all things into consideration.

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as are most things. What's your point?

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also yeah i kinda lost interest in this game lol

I don't think patch loses interest in this game if they are scum

how come?

I would never lose interest in a game if I'm scum. VT? Yeah maybe, but not a red role

you're not everyone and also I mean like they could just as easily have said that as an excuse to not taking clear stances lol. Ok well the latter case isn't as likely but like other people have different temperaments and preferences and suchlike. Pretty sure I've lost interest in a scum role before lol

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but like my point is that I don't think it's indicative of much of anything

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oh yeah I kinda see where you're coming from now

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I feel like sharing how I feel about Greeting now. Reiterating stuff about how I agree with Venmar's NK analysis that it points to Greeting and also Bris's analysis in 590. Not a fan of 846 since the townread on Patch is kind of nonsense.

which leads into why I wanted to wait to share my read on Greeting. I was contemplating a potential scumteam between Greeting and Patchwork. Like 697 and 703 feel super awkward to me. Aforementioned terrible TR makes me suspect this too like Greeting was trying to cook some positive feelings for his partner facing heat. Patchwork has stated a scumread on Greeting but hasn't actually engaged with them and what could be happening is they don't know how to talk about their partner so they just don't but still wanna bus or whatever. I also don't like how 891 props their read on Greeting as a bigger deal or like even a more often stated deal than it really is. Makes me think that the thought progression there isn't natural when the Gas Perceived is not the Gas Applied.

I held off cuz I wanted to see if I could glean anything if Patch responded to Greeting's question or like Greeting said something or whatever but I think I talked enough with Patch and I should just share. I was hoping to be more sure if this was or wasn't the case but now I'm just kinda sure which is pretty alright

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VOTE: Greeting

more independently scummy (though I also find Patch to be pretty independently scummy)

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I wanted to read Invis's reaction to that (which btw there was none, which makes me think Invis purposely avoided talking about it because there is pressure building there)

well I considered making a joke about shaking a squirrel out of a tree if it's any consolation

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I couldn't figure out how to word it properly and gave up LOL. Realistically I dunno what else you wanted me to say to that post alone

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That's fair. I just think if you are town here then you should be more interested in why I scumread you

you've already made that clear since that post, right? Or did you have more to say

I would have laughed at an image in my head of a squirrel being shamed out of a tree

apologies for robbing you of that laughter

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as are most things. What's your point?

my point is that that was on d1 and i was hesitant then but i'm not hesitant now and i don't feel like i've been as passive on black as you claim i am? ur like "if you have mixed feelings on black you should say so" i literally have? if we're going off stuff i said on d1 i definitely expressed concern about black's slot?
and again ffs "i can't meta" isn't an excuse. it was an addition to the sentence (i usually use meta to sort players i'm familiar with, again./....)

you expressed concern but you usually followed it up with "erm I dunno" which didn't feel like a whole lot of anything. Rereading your iso 441 does show the mixed feelings thing in a way that feels genuine so I'll give you that. Less like a whole lot of nothing since it actually justifies the nullread in terms of pings and stuff. Your other posts like this were more like "it could go either way".

how exactly have you been less hesitant today?

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I couldn't find any NK analysys from venmar and while i have something about it in my memory, it's something like "Greeting shot suspect to have excuse to go for anyone else", which is like, absurdest accusation ever.

nah that's Bristep in 682. Venmar gives his NK analysis in 582.

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invisibility sorry if this is random but the reason why your avatar is so familiar to me is because i had a plushie of that blue squirrel thing when i was younger

lol that's funny

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how exactly have you been less hesitant today?

i mean i've been inactive but i've definitely been taking stances

yeah fair fair

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I think we should explode Greeting

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Daykill: Venmar

factcheckers get on this. Real or fake?

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Mala let's quickhammer greeting before i am killed instead

don't u want 2 break free

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is this game real?

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I was kind of hoping it was real since I am getting kinda tired of Venmar yelling about Black and Mala LOL. Also ummmm the flip would provide information or something idk

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it was funny though so it's okay

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idk say that you scumread them but in a funny English accent

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enchant im sorry but u arent even voting on greeitng

because i know it's not gonna do a thing

what do you mean

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enchant im sorry but u arent even voting on greeitng

because i know it's not gonna do a thing

what do you mean

If i put Greeting on E-1 someone just say "oh no" and unvote

if that happens I think that'll be very suspicious of the oh-noer considering the day is nearing its end and a lim has got to happen soon

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Greeting pls claim cuz that's basically intent to hammer if Enchant's still sheeping Mala lol

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omg this game really is has a vig