Mini Normal 2305 | GAME OVER

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Curse you Daisy!

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VOTE: Elements

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Are you town this game?

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Are you town this game?

Of course

Great, you can be town

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So, do I reply here with my role to confirm I am playing.

10th

Yes, you've done it perfectly

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VOTE: Tweet
Absolutely

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@furtive, come vote Tweet

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Are you town this game?

Of course

Great, you can be town

Yea you're town too actually, amazing post

Thanks, I spent at least two seconds writing it

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Authorities have confirmed the presence of organized criminal elements infiltrating our tranquil community of Greenbridge.

This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, business, events and incidents are the products of the author's imagination. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.

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I'd you're excited to play with furtive, can I persuade you to vote Tweet?
As furtive is already predisposed to do so

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<3

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Bloop

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Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.

Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.

Same

Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.

Same

Same

You guys got roles ?

Hell yea I got one of my faves

one of

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tbf there's also a lot of players (6: elements, karma, gera, tweet, emperor & myself) from 2302 here so yea it looks like there's gonna be a lot of leakage over from previous games.

tbf, there's not much of 2302 to leak over into this game

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bloop

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I really hope it helps you read me better

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Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.

You know what else is a lot of fun?
Voting Tweet

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I really hope it helps you read me better

It already has helped me read you

(I read you as town rn for the record, I prefer your approach to the game this time around. Feels like there's much less of an agenda behind what you're saying and you're just enjoying yourself)

Just had a look at that game and I can see why you enjoyed it!

yea it was a banger if you were a town player lol

not that you'd have guessed from the number of PR claims day 1

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you did, that is true

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how about voting Tweet?

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Hey! Going off my role this is going to be a lot of fun.

You know what else is a lot of fun?
Voting Tweet

Spoiler: Nice argument, however:

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Town

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VOTE: elements

I'd you're excited to play with furtive, can I persuade you to vote Tweet?
As furtive is already predisposed to do so

I am.disposed to vote for you

Kinda unoriginal
No town points for you

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VOTE: geraintm

Tweet gang, move out!
[/V]geranium[/v]

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[/v]geraintm[/v]

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VOTE: geraintm

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That went well

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Town

Why?

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Why?

Funny gif

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You can be town too

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I'm always excited day 1

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Someone else voted there

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I assume you mean voting tweet?
I was hoping they'd follow me

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I hope to someday get a wagon on every player day 1

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Oh no, I need to fix that

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When I'm scum I really enjoy day 1
Geraintm isn't enjoying day 1
Therefore geraintm is scum

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So we should all vote there

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Why do you want a tweet wagon?

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Initially it seemed like rvs, but now it seems personal

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So I remember from last game

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Bloop

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I thought when I townread you out the gate it meant I was scum?

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VOTE: Daisy

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Or you just know I'm town because your scum

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*you're

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Anyone know where clidd is?

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Dang I was hoping to get someting out of that line of questioning that could start to move us out of RVS but instead my townread on El just gets stronger..

Too many people have said not enough to get out of rvs yet
I have most posts than the rest of the players (excluding you) combined

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VOTE: Tweet

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What did you say last game?

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You should say it again

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My ears have leg nipples.

UNVOTE:

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What did you say last game?

Just said someone's jokey post was a lil scummy and then they had an over-the-top reaction that played against their usual meta.

Why don't you do that again?

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If I townread everyone, scum won't kill me because I townread them

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They makes total sense

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I get excited on day 1

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I usually like D1s but I'm not getting into this D1 in particular

I have Elements as obvtown, ckd as towny, and then everyone else as a blob of nothing in particular

What can I do to help you get into this day 1?

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VOTE: Daisy

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My day one often gets read as being forced or overcompensating or generally not natural, but most of the time it's just me saying whatever comes into my head without thinking before posting

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I like to think my day ones are pretty similar as both alignments.
Looking at day one from 2302 you might not think so

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My day one often gets read as being forced or overcompensating or generally not natural, but most of the time it's just me saying whatever comes into my head without thinking before posting

As both alignments? Then should anyone be reading you as obvtown?

Depends what people view as obvtown

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I like to think my day ones are pretty similar as both alignments.
Looking at day one from 2302 you might not think so

Hey since you're very active, maybe you can volunteer to share the story of 2302?

I'm active, but I'm also at work

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So I can't go and read anything
But off the top of my head, day one I spouted a read list then referenced a post that came after as a reason for one of the reads on it. CKD tunneled me from that, Daisy said it was nai. The day ended with 4 contesting wagon, 3 of which claimed tprs. The one voted out was vt. Emperor shot me, mafia didn't shoot the vig because we overthought. Day 2 the other scum were fairly obvious due to day one associations with me voting wise and the Poe from town reads

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@furtive, come give some insight on the game

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Given what you've previously said about Gera, why do you think a wagon there would accomplish anything?

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oooo, things to read!
shame I'm goingt to bed now

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this looks fun though
VOTE: ckd

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UNVOTE:

A floating vote?!
Want to put it on Karma?

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geraintm - idk, but don't want to vote today
OopsieDaisy - town
Greeting - who?
Emperor flippyNips - who?
clidd - probably just town
curiouskarmadog - sort of just stopped
Roden - town
Morning Tweet - idk, but probably town
Takutai - don't really want to vote today, but would if that's where we end up
furtiveglance - say more or ima vote you
humaneatingmonkey - clearly competent town or scum. idk which I think yet, but woth keep around
Klick - I recognise theyre in the game and have posted

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bloop

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Spoiler: Nice argument, however:

I always laugh at that ad. Didn't she walk in there in the first place?

anything to say about the game

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HEM would be my top town read if I wasn't paranoid of them just being very good scum

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I'm finding clidd pretty suspicious right now

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True
VOTE: clidd

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I'm finding clidd pretty suspicious right now

There is a mechanic in this game that expresses that

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I'm finding clidd pretty suspicious right now

There is a mechanic in this game that expresses that

Why are you townreading ckd

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Phone posting is hard

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Do you not think it's easy to do as absent scum?

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Idk who to vote

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VOTE: Roden

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That exchange feels tvs

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The one that just happened and is multiple pages long

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I don't necessarily disagree with you
Often I state a read then sleep and when I wake up am asked to explain it but by then I can't remember why I had the read.

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But also, HEM is very convincing

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UNVOTE: Elements

what's changed?

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Like for me I think my reads on both have become worse because of the above. If Roden is correct on the scheming thing then I come to the conclusion that HEM is scummy, not townie. If Roden is bullshitting the scheming thing, then he looks hella scummy.

do you think there's a world where they're both scum?

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@

Elements

:

What did you find so suspcious about

clidd

at that moment?

Or are you aware that I have a habit of finding towny when someone vocalizes suspicion about me.

I'm finding clidd pretty suspicious right now

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There are a few people that seem to be giving off "I'll be more readable day 2" energy

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Takutai is giving me Enchant energy

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Doesn't do much, gives reads from time to time. Will hammer without posting intent.

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That exchange feels tvs

How confident are you on this read

more likely one of you is scum than not

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HEM and Roden are in a 1v1 that's taken over the day and are now the only viable lim options or this will continue in future days until it's resolved

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bloop

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do you agree that one of you has to go today?

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I'm asking because Roden might feel differently

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Should we all vote geraintm today?

No

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happy for you

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Yea I am ignoring them because I'll be honest, I haven't got the time or effort to go read through three full games to verify whether what you're telling me is real or not.

I will appreciate it very much if you gave me a fair shot. Meta is often used to obfuscate exactly because it requires a lot of effort to verify, but it's all in there. Thank you.

this is why I don't give much creedance to meta reads unless i'm already familiar with said player

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VOTE: EFN

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VOTE: takutai

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I don't think about my votes nearly as much as you seem to think I do

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I don't think about my votes nearly as much as you seem to think I do

@takutai

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VOTE: furtiveglance

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bloop

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VOTE: Roden

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@El who's your top three town right now?

gimmi a sec to look at the player list

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in no particular order:
you, monkey, tweet

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All of them can be town, I'm just sharing.

Are those 3 your townreads or scumreads?

i find it scummy when I see things like these. But right now I just want this day to end.

why do you find it scummy?

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VOTE: HEM

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VOTE: HEM

For instance, this needs to die.

Nah, I just want the day to end
It's not going to be a HEM wagon so I can wait here 'til there's and E-1/2 to hop onto

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Not really. If Roden is town you're just throwing away someone who's trying.

Karma is going to try so hard tomorrow you're not ready lol. I do not want him out of the game before he gets a chance to actually interact with it without life blocking his way.

Karma's ded. I don't hedge on promises.

But do you really want this Roden/HEM interaction to continue into day 2?

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I don't like that votecount at all.

Clidd, Greeting or geraint wagons anyone?

Clearly not
Join something that's actually going to happen

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And then we'd be forcing another claim through and that's not very poggers

Yep , dislike the endless stream of wagons that just help scum. See last game

Interesting comparison seeing how last game went down

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VOTE: Roden

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Takutai is scum after this end day

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Thought you'd like that

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18, 432, OD posts my old game, says I have passion. Not sure why she doesn’t understand I am gone for a holiday. I got busy before I left, I posted Thursday morning, thread blew up, I posted a check in post Friday and left. But she is still harping on me not posting. SCUMMY way to justify their suspicion.

I wasn't scumreading you at this point, once you came in with a claim and a white flag kinda response to your push you went from scummy to null. Not sure where you're reading a continued suspicion of you in these posts since I argued against Clidd's push against you because apparently you were faking your bravado.

Are you saying CKD is using information from a point later in the game to form an opinion from only reading up to before that point...

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I'm V/LA between the 8th and 15th

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Why is this day not over yet

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Greeting, Roden, Takutai
Day 1 solve

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I'd say late day distancing between elements and Roden is a thing to remember.

Please show me this distancing

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I'd say late day distancing between elements and Roden is a thing to remember.

Please show me this distancing

Sure. You're voting on another.

What a shit answer

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Wait are you accusing Roden of... distancing himself from his own wagon? I'm confused why is his name there lol

So you and elements are saying scum are incapable of bussing. Got ya.

Yes, that's exactly what we're saying

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Bloop

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Or you could just vote Roden

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Roden is a flip that I think is almost a necessity at this point.

Then vote there

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But if you say you do something as town, CKD won't bother finding it because that's too much effort

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I think that's e-1?

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And? Elements sounds informed on whether Roden is scum or town.

I want a Roden flip for literally the same reasons as you.
You're just making things up at this point

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Bloop

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not gonna complain about that death, i was about to death tunnel tak
VOTE: Furtive

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VOTE: Greeting I'm still interested in this slot.

What motivation exists in order for Greeting to kill Takutai?

I wouldn't put too much thought into the night kill

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because you'll never actually know why scum did the kill

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you can hypothesise all you like, but even if you do stuble across the reason, it will never be confirmed as correct

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bloop

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I don't think I've ever seen a kill chosen motivated by framing someone

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but that could be becuase I try to ignore kill analysis too much

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So I feel like TownOD, would have looked over Tak a bit before putting this out there for people to consume.

fwiw I don't

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ckd, do you have more forum experience or irl mafia experience?

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Elements for meta impressions.

You have meta impressions on me? From what?

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So I feel like TownOD, would have looked over Tak a bit before putting this out there for people to consume.

fwiw I don't

why?

my knowledge of Daisy as a person

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So I feel like TownOD, would have looked over Tak a bit before putting this out there for people to consume.

fwiw I don't

why?

my knowledge of Daisy as a person

like IRL?

yes

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.

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bloop

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Elements and clidd were both options for a while.

Were we? I know there was discussion about swapping but I don't think either of us were actually viable

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Bloop

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Logic is overrated in mafia analysis

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@furtive if you're so set on clidd, who are the other scum?

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Because I have no idea where your head is at this game

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I agree with that ordering

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Bloop

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I also like this posting from clidd

Or it's an inexperience thing..

Im not buying it . forum games or not, theory is theory. you KNOW how mafia games work. I dont know you well, but you are logical and can think through motivation. I dont think TownOD seriously thought..

VOTE: Greeting I'm still interested in this slot.

What motivation exists in order for Greeting to kill Takutai?

I get it, you want to put out there that you thought Tak had greeting on a town lock. But at the end, he did not. So I feel like TownOD, would have looked over Tak a bit before putting this out there for people to consume.

platinum posting

um actually that's a karma post

Yeah is this why people aren't voting clidd?

People aren't voting clidd because everyone other than you thinks Clidd is town

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I can vote Gera

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VOTE: EFN

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Daisy do you actually scum me or are you justing voting me to see how I react?

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They don't, I just don't believe you think I'm scum

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i can't resist

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bloop

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@Elem ents Have you had any recent thoughts about Daisy?

I think she just town

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CKD, daisy, tweet
My top town reads

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Idk, I'm still on holiday so I haven't re-read anything, just been keeping up to date so I don't have to catch up a whole bunch

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But probably greeting and furtive

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elements! that's so surprising that you think greeting and furtive may be aligned together

I'm sensing sarcasm

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Idk, I'm still on holiday so I haven't re-read anything, just been keeping up to date so I don't have to catch up a whole bunch

^

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Neither of them feel town

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I don't think scum is controlling this game at all. It's way too passive. I'm thinking no one is overly invested in the game so everyone is just sort of sitting around waiting for things to happen and going along with them when they do.

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hi i'm new klick!

The gang's back together!

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Anyone scumming clidd want to tell me why. Not including reasons that could be applied to half the players?

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VOTE: OopsieDaisy

0 people are joining this wagon

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I'm with you on all except me or clidd
Me for obvious reasons
Clidd because I don't think any of the reasons so far have been good and the people I think are scum are the ones pushing it

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VOTE: Ccs

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VOTE: Ccs

I don't understand this

Okay

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VOTE: Furtive

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I'm happy to vote the greeting slot

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Neither of the two replacement slots have done anything for me

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Despite only being 7 posts long, I do not like Snivy's iso
Could just be conf-bias though

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VOTE: Ccs

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For a heavily scum read player, not useful

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For a heavily scum read player, not useful

literally no pr is

Disagree
More powerful PRs that are more easily confirmable and/or more disruptive for scum are still useful. Potentially luring a scum kill for less info for a cop claim, or saving a kill for a doc claim for example.
Commuter literally exists to protect itself so you're never going to be a scum kill as a commuter than if you were a cop.

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VOTE: Gera

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Daisy did not have heavy suspicion of me

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I don't think she even scum read me

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I am down for an elimination from this pool: {

Emperor flippyNips

,

curiouskarmadog

,

Klick

,

geraintm

}. This group has got to have some scum in it.

Anyone got thoughts about this pool?

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They don't, I just don't believe you think I'm scum

I've already stated I didn't think Daisy was scumming me.

Or did you miss this while building a case on me?

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They don't, I just don't believe you think I'm scum

I've already stated I didn't think Daisy was scumming me.

Or did you miss this while building a case on me?

so when she voted you and then later stated she would vote you, she want us to believe you DONT think she thought you were scum?

Yes
I don't think Daisy ever scum read me, her vote on me was based in paranoia to see how I reacted to try and sate said paranoia

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what is the purpose of this post?

I am down for an elimination from this pool: {

Emperor flippyNips

,

curiouskarmadog

,

Klick

,

geraintm

}. This group has got to have some scum in it.

Anyone got thoughts about this pool?

if there is someone in particular you want to answer it?

You are currently voting Ger, but what are your thoughts on the REST of that pool?

They are the 4 I'm scumming most atm.
The point of asking was to consider would Greeting put all his buddies into a group like that?

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Ugh, just gone back and seen this

so we are at
furtiveglance (4): clidd, geraintm, OopsieDaisy Elements
clidd (3): furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, HEM

so "funny", my strongest scum reads are not in the top two. which makes me feel you guys are every good at finding scum.

is there anyway we could rally for the Greetings slot?

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

CKD, do you ever hard bus your scum team?

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Greeting + replacement only ever voted me, furtive, ckd

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StD, EFN, CCS

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VOTE: StD

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Ugh, just gone back and seen this

so we are at
furtiveglance (4): clidd, geraintm, OopsieDaisy Elements
clidd (3): furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, HEM

so "funny", my strongest scum reads are not in the top two. which makes me feel you guys are every good at finding scum.

is there anyway we could rally for the Greetings slot?

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

CKD, do you ever hard bus your scum team?

I am sure you know the answer to that question. Why ask it?

I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND YOU THINK I AM SCUM

I thought you were scum after the night kill.
I thought you were the obvious kill then Daisy died. Most simple reason the most town read player wasn't killed is that they're scum.
Then your double night kill push on me looked incredible pre-designed. As if you had deliberately chosen the night kills to push that narative.

Also how am I meant to know how you play as scum? You know I don't meta and I don't think I've ever been in a game with you as scum

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I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND YOU THINK I AM SCUM

Keep your socks on

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Guys I think I'm already convinced of the {Greeting, clidd, Emperor} team and I don't think I'm voting outside of them today. Not if STD starts scumclaiming.

I can vote Emperor

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Furtive, thoughts on Emperor

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Hey remember when we listened to me yesterday and took out the Greetings slot.

lets do that again with Elements...thanks.

except you don't know how to read me
so that's a bad idea

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Hey remember when we listened to me yesterday and took out the Greetings slot.

lets do that again with Elements...thanks.

Even better
We get rid of scum by voting StD

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Scum are just not playing this game

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We vote out inactives and win

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HEM can I pursuade you to move to StD?

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the slot has done nothing

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CKD
What differences do you see between my play this game and last game?

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CKD
What differences do you see between my play this game and last game?

do you think you play differently as scum vs town?

yes, obviously
my i do my best to match my scum play to my town play

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so why ask this question? to see if I meta-ed you? you could have just asked that.

That's not what I asked.
I asked what you think is different about my play this game compared to last game.
Something you still haven't answered