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VOTE: Elements
as is tradition <3-
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oh hey it's a me reference poggersIn post 8, iamveryhappy wrote: Oops-
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Yea I think the only person on this list I've played with before is Elements, so it should be a lot of fun getting to know everyone!In post 15, KittyTacky wrote: Meow! While I know most of this list, I don'tknowmost of this list well enough.-
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What's wrong with sheeping?In post 26, Random Nurse wrote: You're not sheeping me, are you?-
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I think sheeping can be scummy but if I've got someone following my reads/votes the last thing I'm gonna do is complain yknoIn post 32, Random Nurse wrote:
In general sheeping is Scummish, but I was being tongue-in-cheek since we're in RVS.In post 29, OopsieDaisy wrote:
What's wrong with sheeping?In post 26, Random Nurse wrote: You're not sheeping me, are you?-
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FWIW I love Day 1's, but I think that's just cause I like chatting lol-
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Can you elaborate on this for me? I don't follow 1) why voting a mod would feel townie and 2) why the join date matters? Is it just an attitude thing that you've observed from newer players?In post 52, Skygazer wrote: i think im chucking iamveryhappy in the town bin, voting a mod feels like a town trait to me from a player that joined in april
I guess I can see the world where like, if you're a new player picking targets to vote a mod would be the most intimidating vote in an isolated world.-
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I kinda just answered my question in the same post I made it lmao-
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How come?In post 44, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Day 1 gives me anxiety-
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That's understandable, do you find that it becomes easier later into the game and if so why do you think that is?In post 57, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Scumhunting is hard-
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Ahh I see. I have the opposite, the more info there is in the game the more worlds open up and I've seen myself lose myself in my own paranoia in some late game situations. Whereas early on I feel like I can make sense of everything a lot easier.In post 59, KatyKimFanClub wrote: For me, I have more information the later the game goes and so I can build an actual case without going crazy.-
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Not to say I'm incapable of a good late game, it's just one of those things I need more practice with cause I've slowly been improving but the slowness is because those situations don't rise up often.-
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Is parachute a mafia term or am I missing something lmao
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I'm not rly a mechtalk person but are we sure the theme/flavour even has a link to the setup in the first place?In post 65, iamveryhappy wrote: want to setup solve someone? I'm clearly incapable of doing it on a kindle
Like I don't rly see the use in speculating about the set-up at the start of Day 1 when none of the games I've played in or read so far in the normal queue have had a noticeable link between flavour and roles. Albeit this is just from my experience someone correct me if I'm wrong here.-
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This is the 2nd time Penguin basically says what I wanted to say before I say it, so I think I've found my first townlean :3In post 69, PenguinPower wrote:
How do you expect to “setup solve” a closed setup with zero info?In post 65, iamveryhappy wrote: want to setup solve someone? I'm clearly incapable of doing it on a kindle
Also, why is this what you want to focus on?
(Not that they're particularly hard conclusions to come to "sheeping isn't necessarily scummy/setup solving doesn't seem useful here" but they're something)-
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The chatting is a lot more useful for us Day 1 than mechtalk. Not only do I think that early game mechtalk is NAI (so it doesn't rly help us sort players) and something I've seen scum players hide behind to avoid having to interact with the game, but the chatting has already started to generate genuine reads from people. That's definitely useful.In post 74, iamveryhappy wrote: I'm just trying to do something that's useful for d1 because you guys are just chatting for now while I'm actually trying to solve
Trying to figure out IAVH's slot is gonna be difficult because I'm getting the vibe I'm gonna disagree with him a lotttt this game, and his defensive stance on the mechtalk thing is understable but also pings me. However I've actually read a previous game of his in mini norm 2303 and I got those same vibes reading his slot from afar that game, and he was town.-
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EBWOP: Understandable not understable lmaoIn post 94, OopsieDaisy wrote:
The chatting is a lot more useful for us Day 1 than mechtalk. Not only do I think that early game mechtalk is NAI (so it doesn't rly help us sort players) and something I've seen scum players hide behind to avoid having to interact with the game, but the chatting has already started to generate genuine reads from people. That's definitely useful.In post 74, iamveryhappy wrote: I'm just trying to do something that's useful for d1 because you guys are just chatting for now while I'm actually trying to solve
Trying to figure out IAVH's slot is gonna be difficult because I'm getting the vibe I'm gonna disagree with him a lotttt this game, and his defensive stance on the mechtalk thing is *understable but also pings me. However I've actually read a previous game of his in mini norm 2303 and I got those same vibes reading his slot from afar that game, and he was town.-
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One thing I just remembered looking at 2303 was that KKFC was also in the game! They were scum, and iirc KKFC did a great job chilling and avoiding suspicion by playing a passive game/not really rocking the boat. Looking at the game right now, I'm seeing similarities to that playstyle, so it seems like a good place to put my vote for now.
UNVOTE: Elements
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Tbf, if you got injured after the olympiad worlds 2 and 3 both exist lolIn post 97, iamveryhappy wrote: so... you're saying chatting is best
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I guess I'm going to make you scared of me then
Here's two truths and a lie
1. I'm so good at mafia I got two cop inspects in a row
2. I've once gotten second in the country for olympiad maths
3. I have no endurance, I can't even run 100 metres-
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@IAVH you were also in 2303, do you think my read on how KKFC played the game is accurate?-
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sweet, thanksIn post 100, iamveryhappy wrote:
as I previously said I'm not good with resolving people and pmeta but I feel it's mostly accurateIn post 99, OopsieDaisy wrote: @IAVH you were also in 2303, do you think my read on how KKFC played the game is accurate?-
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omfg it was olympiad maths wait i'm so silly.In post 102, iamveryhappy wrote:
so which one is false?In post 98, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Tbf, if you got injured after the olympiad worlds 2 and 3 both exist lolIn post 97, iamveryhappy wrote: so... you're saying chatting is best
ew
I guess I'm going to make you scared of me then
Here's two truths and a lie
1. I'm so good at mafia I got two cop inspects in a row
2. I've once gotten second in the country for olympiad maths
3. I have no endurance, I can't even run 100 metres
i think you really wanted to tell us that mafia fact about you so 1 would be true. maths people and mafia people have a lot of overlap in my experience (the mafia group i play in is like 50% maths students lol) so gonna guess 2 is true.
i'd like to lock in 3 as the false statement please <3-
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danggg you're unreadable wpwpIn post 104, iamveryhappy wrote:
hah tricked yaIn post 103, OopsieDaisy wrote:
omfg it was olympiad maths wait i'm so silly.In post 102, iamveryhappy wrote:
so which one is false?In post 98, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Tbf, if you got injured after the olympiad worlds 2 and 3 both exist lolIn post 97, iamveryhappy wrote: so... you're saying chatting is best
ew
I guess I'm going to make you scared of me then
Here's two truths and a lie
1. I'm so good at mafia I got two cop inspects in a row
2. I've once gotten second in the country for olympiad maths
3. I have no endurance, I can't even run 100 metres
i think you really wanted to tell us that mafia fact about you so 1 would be true. maths people and mafia people have a lot of overlap in my experience (the mafia group i play in is like 50% maths students lol) so gonna guess 2 is true.
i'd like to lock in 3 as the false statement please <3
it's 1
I landed 2 conspiracy thorists in a row though-
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alsoalso if you feel my read is mostly accurate, is there a reason you're still voting your RVS vote and not on KKFC?In post 100, iamveryhappy wrote:
as I previously said I'm not good with resolving people and pmeta but I feel it's mostly accurateIn post 99, OopsieDaisy wrote: @IAVH you were also in 2303, do you think my read on how KKFC played the game is accurate?-
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I wish I had the self-control needed to hold onto info like that and use it to create a stronger read later on in the day, but alas, I do not.In post 122, KatyKimFanClub wrote: It's pretty accurate, but I don't think it means that much on Page 4. There are a couple of people in this game I've played with before as both scum and town, so I don't think it would be fair to assume I wouldn't change my meta to adjust for that. If I were you, I would have probably held onto that to try to get a better read later in the Day.
I have never seen your town meta, so I don't have the full info needed to properly judge this. I can see why you'd want to do this tho, having distinct metas can destroy your scum game so blending the two can be necessary, it's just not something that's gonna make you seem town to people who know your scum meta.In post 122, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Question for Daisy, would you believe me if I told you I'm trying to merge my honestly-quite-distinct-as-of-two-completed-games town and scum metas?
Whether or not this is bang on for this game, idk. I think town!kkfc is telling the truth here and scum!kkfc is saying this to weaken any meta-based accusations against them in this game.-
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Leaning scum, hence my vote there right now. I'm not gonna disregard my meta read just because the party has acknowledged it's a good read and has given a decent excuse as to why they're playing in their scum range. Ultimately they're still playing in their scum range.In post 128, Deltabreedy wrote: I get the sense we've had a lot of kind of waffly talk.
@Oopsiedaisie, which of the two do you think KKFC is right now?-
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Mostly so. Was also a bit of a reaction test, wanted to see if KKFC responded to the push in a way that felt +townie, but so far I'm not seeing anything that has convinced me I need to hop off the wagon.In post 130, Deltabreedy wrote: Is it purely a meta read?-
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Do you think that waffly talk is bad for the game?In post 128, Deltabreedy wrote: I get the sense we've had a lot of kind of waffly talk.-
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Of course a Page 4 meta read doesn't mean I've got a super confident read on you, it is Page 4, but pressuring slots with these kinda wagons is important to create discussions like these in the first place. Gives people something to make reads on and react to and that's 100% good for the game.In post 132, KatyKimFanClub wrote: I mean, you're trying to use a meta read on Page 4. I'm not really sure what you think the appropriate response or discussion would be. Here are all my posts by Page 4 from the game you've read.
In post 17, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Hey everyone, I'm new to forum mafia but I've played on epicmafia and in person before. I'm super excited to play with y'all!
VOTE: VOTE: Cook
I can guarantee if I'm still on your wagon by the end of the day, it won't just be because I think I've got a good meta read. It's just a starting point from which my read can develop.-
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It's harsh but in order to create pushes that move us out of RVS, the reasoning sorta has to be harsh unless someone does some crazy scummy stuff early on, which hasn't rly happened here. My meta read is weak but it's something that does point to a scum!kkfc world and I like the idea of letting this wagon sit for a bit and seeing how the game evolves around it.In post 135, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Sure, but saying I failed the reaction test when it was pretty obviously one seems a little harsh, right?-
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Ahh, I don't think you're gonna like my playstyle very much then lol. I'm quite the waffler.In post 136, Deltabreedy wrote:
I think so tbh - although whilst I'm on V/LA I've not had much time to really affect that which should be coming to an end tomorrow.In post 133, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Do you think that waffly talk is bad for the game?In post 128, Deltabreedy wrote: I get the sense we've had a lot of kind of waffly talk.-
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123 is a KKFC post, did you mean to quote another post there?In post 163, Skygazer wrote:
143 feels like a scum post. 123 also looks kinda LAMIST. At the moment I'm perceiving IAVH as an "easy target" so I don't like Delta's vote there. And Delta's getting back from V/LA today so I thought it'd be a good time to drop some pressureIn post 162, Random Nurse wrote: Why Delta?-
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oh hey a fellow adhder, niceIn post 184, Skygazer wrote: who asked me about oopsie? at work and have adhd sorry-
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My current reads that aren't null:
PP - Town lean, early interactions showed em looking at the game in a similar way to me, and naturally I'm going to trust someone who's on the same page. (Wrote this before the new posts, me likey the new posts on a first look)
IAVH - Town lean that comes down to meta reasons and being cooperative with my questioning VS being uncooperative w/ Nurse & El. The personality present here is consistent with the IAVH I read in 2303.
Elements - Town lean. Elements posting with an agenda is scum, Elements posting without one is town. I'm yet to see an agenda.
KittyTacky - Scum lean, feel like nothing he's said this game so far has meant all that much bar the stuff reading IAVH as townie, but even that is not rly a controversial opinion in the current gamestate. Should be worth noting he said he usually stays on the sidelines in Day 1 so maybe it's just that playstyle that's giving me the ick on this slot, but I'd like to see some proactivity here at some point soon.
KKFC - Scum lean, meta read seems good from me but making KKFC aware of it early means KKFC now has to make a decision regarding their playstyle. Still think keeping my vote here is best for now.-
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In post 198, Skygazer wrote: i mean sorry for the misunderstanding but a meme that just says "both" makes me feel like you weren't interested in engaging that much but we also havent played together too much lately so-
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UNVOTE: KKFCIn post 206, Elements wrote: Intent to hammer
As much as KKFC is my strongest scum read right now, I like seeing how a day develops and it wouldn't surprise me if El actually hammered.
P-edit: Ohh someone else unvoted for me, I'm fine staying on the wagon now.
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Don't have the time to properly read through everything right now, but looks like the KKFC push has now given us some proper content to work with. I'm happy with what it's achieved and for now since I'm gonna be afk for a bit, gonna UNVOTE: KKFC and park my vote on VOTE: Kitty.
I want to wait until I have had the time to properly read the Skygazer/PP/KKFC interactions before I commit to the KKFC wagon again.-
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Your disinterest in wanting to give away reads pings me super hard. Personally I'd consider that kinda anti-town, because by not placing your reads under the scrutiny on the group, it becomes a lot harder for players to get a read on your slot in the first place. I think this attutide helps your slot, but hurts the group as a whole, but I'll concede that's partly my opinion just because of my very open playstyle.In post 236, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Eh, I can see why you scumread for that, but it's very much an intentional decision.
I'm not interested in giving away my reads this early, nor do I care about advancing the game state if I think that the current one is good enough for town. If you would like me to elaborate on my philosophy, I can, but as an example, I think I get more towards solving the game if I can keep disscussion on why Daisy and iavh think a meta read on me is relevant by Page 4 than if I move on to a different topic.
I guess to clarify my position, advancing the game state is generally good, but I don't really see what giving my reads this early would really do. We have a lot of time left in the day to gather information and I don't think there's been enough time in the game for me to have a significant change in opinion on people's alignments yet.
Like idk, we could sit and talk for pages as to whether giving a meta read out Page 4 is optimal, but I don't see the use in that when there's much better discussions to be had within the game.
I don't think I 100% understand what you're saying here, but I can talk about timing tells if you want? I'm not someone who considers timing to be a massive tell, at least on a micro scale. I liked PP's burst of posts like Skygazer did, but moreso for the enthusiastic gamesolvy energy I saw rather than because it was a burst of posts fired out quickly if that makes sense?In post 263, KatyKimFanClub wrote:
Just as a fun teaser, Daisy do you want to answer why it would be reasonable for me to think this?In post 259, KatyKimFanClub wrote: In 255, you're scumreading me for jumping to assuming timing tells refer to possible mafia partners? To be honest, I thought this was the dominant takeaway from looking at people's timing in their posts.
(if not and i've completely misunderstood what a timing tell is can someone tell me lol)
Whilst I didn't like the first post in the ones I've quoted, this does make sense. Some players do definitely have that defence/offence mode thing, myself included, and I buy that when you're under pressure you wanna fight that off before pressuring others. I want reads from you at the very least so I think easing up the pressure on your slot for now makes sense even if I have my worries.In post 272, KatyKimFanClub wrote:
Well, I've been pretty busy defending myself. Yes, I could have voted my strongest scumread and use my vote as an indicator of my reads but I was hoping to finish this conversation thread before moving to offense.In post 269, PenguinPower wrote: so why aren't you voting?-
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In terms of the people actively pushing, for the most part I like em but naturally if a wagon gains traction and it originated from a read I made, I'm gonna be happy.
Elements sticks out like a sore thumb for intending to hammer, and I'm side-eyeing em for that, but also this isn't out of character for em as either alignment so I'm not rly sure how to read it?
I like PP this game and their discussion with KKFC didn't make me doubt my read on em at all.
Skygazer jumping on initially felt a bit opportunistic but I could buy the switch in POV once it was explained in the thread.
Anyways it's 5am here I cannot sleep but i've gotta try. If my posts were too rambly blame the time and the stress of the day I just had lol.-
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That's understandable, but I think townies die a lottt Day 1 regardless of the boat being rocked ykno. The goal I always try and hit for a Day 1 is to create enough alignment indicative content that the flips from the vote and night kill can actually be used for some strong analysis Day 2. Hitting scum from that is a bonus moreso than the one absolute goal of a Day 1 for me.In post 304, KittyTacky wrote: Yeah again if I try to rock the boat early D1, a townie usually dies so I don't see much incentive to do so.-
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In post 303, KittyTacky wrote:
I have autism, mild ADHD, and BPD.In post 191, OopsieDaisy wrote:
oh hey a fellow adhder, niceIn post 184, Skygazer wrote: who asked me about oopsie? at work and have adhd sorry
I'll keep these in mind, thanks for letting us knowIn post 311, KittyTacky wrote: btw I am in Asia so my timezone is way different from the one in America so I might appear to not post very much but when I have something to say and am not asleep, I am active.-
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Would it help your read if I told you that in mini norm 2302 I, as town, also brought up meta points to create/inform pushes at the start of the game?In post 294, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Only other significant opinion I have is that I'm still upset that Daisy is using a meta read on Page 4 and that it gained traction. Maybe a little +scum as of response to 263?-
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I think once? But that was in 2014/15 times it's an ancient game that I ended up getting modkilled in cause I accidentally sent a message meant for the scum skype chat in the website's general skype chat lmaoIn post 329, Elements wrote: Daisy, have you ever rolled scum in a forum game?-
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Wildly enough I think scum still won that game, but I don't rly fancy going back and looking to check cause my deadname's plastered all over it-
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Yea I said it was ancient :3
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@Elements Your vote is on RN right now, any particular reason why?-
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UNVOTE: Kitty
VOTE: Random Nurse
You mentioned how shit was getting serious and that we were moving out of RVS in your last post. Any particular reads you have now that there's content to sink our teeth into?-
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I had a post prepared about how I thought El and KKFC could be scumbuddies, but then I realised p much any combo of either being town or scum works right now so I'm a bit lost.
I will say El is now reading a bit different to me after revealing that the intent to hammer post had an agenda. As I've said before my read on Elements is based on whether their posts have a deep running agenda (scummy) or are mostly surface level and a bit trolly (townie). Revealing that the intent to hammer post had strong thought behind it surprises me a bit, tho I've been wrong here plenty of times before.-
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Tbf I would probably townread you if you started playing like, chess or minesweeper in the thread so I see your point sdgkj;dks;In post 370, Elements wrote: Daisy just scumreads me when I play the game-
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fuckIn post 372, Elements wrote: last time I played chess in thread I was scum-
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love u too xoxoIn post 374, Elements wrote:
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fuckIn post 372, Elements wrote: last time I played chess in thread I was scum
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Ahh I see, this kinda makes my pressure vote redundant huh.
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For the most part I agree with this logic, I think if KKFC has a partner it's probably somewhere in [RN, Kitty] for not being there to protect their partner (Delta would've fallen into this group but he sussed KKFC p hard when he came back) or if there is a paired scum around the push it would be in [IAVH, Elements]. Whilst Skygazer and PP organically accelerated the push in a way that felt natural and scumhunty, I had to work to get IAVH on the wagon in the first place and I think there's a reading of El's intent to hammer post where El could've just been trying to scare people away from the wagon with the reaction check explanation there to shield em.In post 346, Elements wrote:
I was never going to hammer you. And there are reactions to look at. E.g. the unvoting from you was quite slow and no one was rushing to your defence.In post 345, KatyKimFanClub wrote: VOTE: Elements
If the idea was to provoke a reaction or a defense, then you should probably have considered the fact that there was already significant pressure on me. Seems like a lazy attempt to get on a wagon with the fallback defense of "reaction farming". Especially after you admit you don't have any reads.
Daisy unvoted which I expected, and then re-voted you.
PP was the first to unvote you, mid conversation. But again, that was very just "I want to finish this chat" and nothing to do with your slot. (Although with my knowledge of PP I wouldn't put it past him to position himself to be able to do that)
So from the reactions to my "intent to hammer" I don't think that your scum partner was either active, or on your wagon around that time. Which is the majority of the player base. Making me think you're probably just town with an easily scumread play style, as you've been saying. Which is something I can empathize with as someone who used to get regularly voted out day two due to play style-
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But yea [RN, Kitty, IAVH, Elements] is 4/7 of the possible partners in the game (from my POV ofc), and this is if we discount the more wifommy bussing situations with the others that I don't rly wanna explore right now, so despite the big wagon I think a scum!kkfc possibility very much exists in the current gamestate.-
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Maybe I'm wrong on the IAVH thing tho cause the fact his vote has remained through this all would be surprising if KKFC was his partner, as I'd expect a typical player to manufacture some sorta counter wagon and go vote there instead. Thing is IAVH has admitted themselves they're not a typical player tho and that their atypical playstyle gets em jumped on, so I'm not sure how much I can read into this?-
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I think you just flip my view on who would be partners with you if you were scum for the most part.In post 388, KatyKimFanClub wrote:In post 385, OopsieDaisy wrote: For the most part I agree with this logic, I think if KKFC has a partner it's probably somewhere in [RN, Kitty] for not being there to protect their partner (Delta would've fallen into this group but he sussed KKFC p hard when he came back) or if there is a paired scum around the push it would be in [IAVH, Elements].
So you're pretty confident that I am not getting bussed. I think I am getting town vibes from Skygazer and I don't really have an opinion of PP pushing me or Delta scumreading me yet. I like Delta pushing on iavh, but I am wary of his scumread on me during his reread. It seems like a somewhat safe way to keep a possible miselim open. Especially after you unvote me in 288 with a caveat that you're ok re-committing to the wagon later. As town I think he's going into that with much more of a hammer mentality though.In post 386, OopsieDaisy wrote: But yea [RN, Kitty, IAVH, Elements] is 4/7 of the possible partners in the game (from my POV ofc), and this is if we discount the more wifommy bussing situations with the others that I don't rly wanna explore right now
If I'm town who among the people pushing me do you think is scum (if any)?
I think IAVH is least likely to be scum on the wagon, as I had to actively convince them of it.
Elements could've been scum looking for a quick hammer but I think that's fairly unlikely considering the explanations we've received.
I see PP/Skygazer in a similar light as they almost tag-teamed you with the pressure during the peak of your wagon, and I think if there is scum on your wagon, it would most likely be these two. However I do feel the wagon on you was fairly justified, at least from my POV of reactive/defensive play typically being scummy, so I don't read these players as all that scummy right now because I agreed with the reasons why they were pushing you.-
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I can also see Delta's positioning on your wagon post-peak as quite scummy if you are town, sorta priming a revival of the wagon come the end of the day, but I'm getting more pings from RN/Kitty in that scum could easily just be sitting back and letting the push on you happen without interfering, and those are the two players who I feel are really sitting back in this Day 1.
But again, I've got my biases regarding playstyles that I need to keep in check so maybe this is just those rearing their head again.-
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Different from my original reason. I don't think my meta read really holds much ground anymore? Because whilst you have been defensive and reactive (things that my biases go grrr at), you've not been passive and that was the crux of my read on Page 4.In post 390, KatyKimFanClub wrote:
Their reasons are pretty different than yours/iavh's though.In post 389, OopsieDaisy wrote: However I do feel the wagon on you was fairly justified, at least from my POV of reactive/defensive play typically being scummy, so I don't read these players as all that scummy right now because I agreed with the reasons why they were pushing you
P-edit: Yea I understand that my analysis isn't super deep, but I prefer considering the simple worlds before the convoluted ones, especially before we have any flips in the game.-
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