Mini 738: The Town of Merrin - Game Over

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And thanks for replacing, Xtoxm!

Welcome!

Good luck reading everything...

Hehe, nice try Gieff! You know that's a vain hope though!

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I've read through some stuffs. I've got a few ideas, but no solid scum reads yet. Just a check in post, really.

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He didn't quote anything. He just talks about your playstyle.

Lol @ speedlynch.

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Oh I didn't see that one.

Bad Gieffy if your town. Modkills are totally not cool.

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No, I quoted:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 02#1561502


How far are you in your re-read, Sensfan? I've liked your summaries so far; any chance you could pump out what you have so far before the day ends?

And Xtoxm, any thoughts you can tell us now could help.

I've not really got much to add atm...I've got a couple of town reads, but like I said, no solid scum reads. I've not read that much yet. Tbh, i'm kinda pleased about this speed lynch, it gives me more time. Right after I replaced into this, an opening came up in Bleach mafia which OBV I have to join. So I need to catch up with that one in the next couple days.

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It's mod-kill worthy? I didn't realize this - which rule is it breaking? Would it be modkill-worthy if I just linked to the post and didn't quote them? Or if I just talked about them instead of linking them?

Basically, what you've done, is a clear cut modkill. Sorry man. Linking is also not allowed - Just talking about them would be, aslong as you didnt say what games. It would also be fine if he was dead in the game. Atleast, that's how it would work if I was modding.

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Basically, what you've done, is a clear cut modkill. Sorry man. Linking is also not allowed - Just talking about them would be, aslong as you didnt say what games. It would also be fine if he was dead in the game. Atleast, that's how it would work if I was modding.

Would you make that explicit in your rule-set if you were modding, Xtoxm?



I wonder what kloud's mod-kill flavor would look like?



Fair enough, Sensfan - you are right that it is very unlikely you get killed tonight.

Hopefully, it would involve Sephiroth.

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This is the ruleset i'm using right now...And I notice, it's not there. Assuming you've brought this up before you modkill me, I would give an in-game warning, add the rule to the ruleset, and probably delete the references.

I advise you to send a PM to Kloud now stating your case.

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*I modkill you

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That's different. The mods posts aren't a part of a game anyway, really.

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The lynch can't be undone...

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I'll become involved once i'm done forming my initial opinions on everyone. (ie, reading stuffs)

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If they don't have enough time they should get themselves replaced.

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You think those are poor assumptions, Gieff?

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Townie is a term I often use as a broad for any member of the game...Could you show so I can see it in context?

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If you can't remember where, don't worry. I haven't looked at Myk get anyway.

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555 and 565 are not slips. 723 doesn't seem related, but not a slip.

649 could be.

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As implies in 1383, I feel they are fair assumptions, given your actions.

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Sounds like Panz has a inno on SL, but she could be a GF.

I doubt Zilla was bussed, especially with how quick the wagon formed.

Only me, Gieff, SL were not on the wagon so:

Vote SL

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Because he's being a dick?

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I picked up on the crumb. It made me think you were either GF or SK.

Anyway,

Claim: Doctor

I protected Panz

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Mili no actioned N1

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BB said he agreed with GIEFF's case on you, I only reacted on the statement that "we had to look somewhere else", without defending yourself. And you said again, you lost interest. I can't understand that, if you are town, but this claim makes it likely. You could have said the same thing as scum, and use that as an excuse of lurking.

BTW, are we doing massclaim?

I think at this point we should. Town prob has most it's power in the open, waiting only benefits scum from here IMO.

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Myko please claim while you're here.

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Unvote

Pending cc on xtoxm if any.

Massclaim now.

Xtoxm, wanna unvote me.

Not really, i'm still worried this is your ploy as SK, but guess we can hunt last mafia first.

Unvote

Don't want SL around at endgame though. We have breathing room atm. I'll get the scum kill tonight.

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So, possible Mafiates:

Gieff, BB, Myk, Dour, Sens

Lynch one, vig one. I'm not thinking Gieff is scum. Not sure who to rule out next.

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Mili no actioned N1

Huh, what kind of doc non action on any given day? Confirm with mod if non action or missed deadline.

Yeh missed that's what I meant.

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We have a Framer - So I think that increases the chance Myko is telling the truth.

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its called bussing.

I believe the doc, as we most likely had a save. I don't know why the claimed vig is not on the list.

She can prove she's not maf.

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We should also co-ordinate to make sure Cop and Vig don't target same person. I'll keep protecting cop incase there isn't a GF.

I think Sens, BB, Dour for Cop Vig and Lynch.

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And

Vote Sens

Because he didn't claim.

Also sounds like he's blowing his own trumpet a bit too much with the Zilla hammer.

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Gieff, i'm cool with you claiming last.

And no, absolutaly not. A vig kill is like a second lynch, we should be using it. I HIGHLY doubt there is a 2-man scum team. And I mean, really doubt.

3-man and SK is possible, which is why it'd be really cool to kill Maf this cycle.

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I think Sens, BB, Dour for Cop Vig and Lynch.

Sens should not be copped, as if he is scum, he is almost surely investigation-immune, or else he would not have bussed the roleblocker so casually.

Agreed.

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Town are claiming too much power...

Guess it's worth letting BB be the copped one, as an investigative?

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So how about this:

Lynch Sens, Vig Dour, Cop BB?

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Challenging my credibility won't help your case.

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Btw, Xtoxm, I don't get it, why did you push me to claim just to unvote me afterward if you picked on my crumbs.

With the claim out, you can't be the GF, and you are forced to vig/SK now. Also because I hadn't thought of using potential SK's kill to our advantage yet.

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I just realised BB clears Gieff fully.

Could you expand on the Sens result? If it clears Sens too I guess that makes Dour scum.

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SK is always innocent to cops, that's why SL can't be allowed to survive to endgame.

At the moment, we can afford it. Mislynch + 2 town NKs, 6 alive, 1 SK 1 Mafia.

SL must be lynched tomorrow

no matter what

if the game hasn't ended by then.

Gieff - Zilla blocked Panz the night you were tracked. So if you are scum you killed Goat. Which you didn't.

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No you were last night. She was dead.

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Sens, just admit you don't intend to post any "notes". I couldn't care less anyway...

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What SL said works. Tracker can clear another. Me on Panz or BB?

I'll wait for BB to comment, then prob change to Dour...

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SK is always innocent to cops, that's why SL can't be allowed to survive to endgame.

At the moment, we can afford it. Mislynch + 2 town NKs, 6 alive, 1 SK 1 Mafia.

SL must be lynched tomorrow

no matter what

if the game hasn't ended by then.

Gieff - Zilla blocked Panz the night you were tracked. So if you are scum you killed Goat. Which you didn't.

You'll have to apologize for your paranoia aftergame because I'm pretty the reason you are not trusting me now is because of how awesomely I owned your guys asses as SK in Ythill's game.

SL, it's mainly to remove the possibility. You could be vig, but you could be SK. And town seems quite powerful. If your SK and don't get lynched tomorrow, town gets pretty fucked with the maf-SK lylo situation. Maf will prob be dead this cycle anyway, I hope.

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Panz is confirmed by Myk.

SL is clear by the extra kill. (of being maf)

I can be scum i'll give you that but you don't need to take things so literally.

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EBWOP: I'm assuming that the Mafia would riddle someone with bullets (ting) and a SK would be more gruesome and, well, NUTS (Goat on a stick).

No, we've already been through this, Goat = Maf kill

Ting = Vig/SK

It was in the scene flavour somewhere.

Dour, you the last scum?

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Just thought of a reason to doubt BB's inno's, Ninja's.

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Another had been killed by the elusive threat to Merrin, but ting=) was not the only victim that night.

This implies whoever killed Ting was anti-town. Implies SL is anti-town.

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ting was "pumped full of lead," i.e. shot. That matches a vig more than an SK.

I have reasons for suspecting SL as SK, but flavor is not among them.

I would prefer, in order, a mykonian lynch, and then a Dourgrim lynch. How common is a deputy in a mini normal?

Not often. That's not the point. Framer is rare too.

Myk reads town. And you said the claim fits, too. Why the hate?

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Mm, this day is ready to end, so the end should be hastened. I don't really care which of the two, the other would just be NKed. I'll change if you want.

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If Dour flips maf game is over or SL is SK. She can do what the hell she likes...

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BB Please clear up with the mod the confusion with your Sens result.

Like I said, i'll happily lynch Dour.

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Yes Gieff. When there is only one scum who can do that kill, it's clearing.

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Gieff, that's patronising, and not helping. I see nothing wrong...

A lynch would be good.

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I guess SL killing Myk is fine. Don't see him as scum though. No point is asking her to self kill. We'll lynch her tomorrow if the game isn't over.

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No.

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I wouldn't shoot myself. I wouldn't ask anyone else to. She should shoot who she thinks is scum. If she's SK she does whatever...

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No Gieff. We're not lynching her today so we can use her kill to eliminate an extra person.

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No.

I'm not changing my stance, Gieff.

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HuH> what u ewaitn for, girdfF? I pPRONMISE I'M A docoter <3

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Panz, there's no point playing on the assumption SL will shoot herself. Do me or BB.

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I'm not saying it's not the best plan. Tbh I think it's the same either way. But that's not the point. I'm not shooting myself, i'm killing who I think is scum. So same applies to SL.

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I intend for SL to be lynched tomorrow if the game is not over, yes.

I've told you Gieff, i'm not changing my stance on this. If I did it wouldn't matter anyway, cos she's not.

Can just hurry up and end this day.

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Gieff I am not continuing this argument with you.

It has been established she is not killing herself, so can we just get a move on.

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I have nothing to do with it. SL has said she's not, and SL is the only one with any control over it. Thus it is established.

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No, because using her kill is better than lynching her today.

Anyway, the solution here is for SL to lie and say she's going to kill herself.

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SL, let's end this day...

Unvote Vote Dour

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Why no hammer, Gieff? What are you still waiting for?

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Whey finally.

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He was tracked to no one the night Panz was blocked. I doubt he's scum.

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I also doubt there is a Ninja present, because it took Kloud some time to realise what I was talking about when I asked him about ninja's.

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That's only the final vote count, we can post until the death scene.

I guess that's fair enough SL.

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BB has tracked both nil's...He tracks me, no? That basically forces scum to kill me, cos i'll be both doc, and no longer a possible mislynch.

I thought Panz was checking Myk.

Eh, whatever, it all works.

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Well yeh but i'm still a suspect...BB tracked Gieff N1. I've had reservations about him being a Mafia Tracker, though. I'll be saving Panz.

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:'(

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Yays. Well modded Kloud.

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While you can't imagine the game to go this way beforehand, I think you had too many powerroles Kloud. I guess it was balanced, but it makes a mess of the game quickly and games tend to get ruled by them. And possibly they get more swingy.

Esspecially unfortunate was the investigator-doc couple. Sure, you can't imagine a game to go this way, but it is not ideal.

He put in two roles that screwed with that, and it's only cos town did so well D1 and D2 that it was even useable.

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I agree with Sens. Town's job is to figure out who's scum, not have the other townies prove they're town.