Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over

ZazieR · Post Post #204 (isolation #0) » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:40 am

Here ^.^ Will read this game one of these days. I'm learning how irritating a sore throat can be ._.

ZazieR · Post Post #205 (isolation #1) » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:41 am

Peabody wrote:Grrrr. FC is replaced???

Fixed, btw. The replacement has already arrived.

ZazieR · Post Post #241 (isolation #2) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:58 am

Going to make a start with reading before I have to go.

ZazieR · Post Post #242 (isolation #3) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:15 am

Ok, I've got one question already for

everybody

:
Which posts made by you were NOT seriously intended?

ZazieR · Post Post #243 (isolation #4) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:18 am

EBWOP: In case a bit of your post was serious, but not everything, state which paragraph(s) was/were not serious.

ZazieR · Post Post #244 (isolation #5) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:27 am

And for clarification: If you joked around with statements or votes, these are also considered not-serious.

ZazieR · Post Post #247 (isolation #6) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:59 am

Zaz and Zazie are fine.

ZazieR · Post Post #248 (isolation #7) » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:01 am

And before I forget again >.<:
Brothernature, are you a fan of Higurashi (Your avatar)?

ZazieR · Post Post #261 (isolation #8) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:35 am

Sanjay wrote:Zaz, would you mind telling me which of my posts are ambiguous to you?

I don't actually consider Lynch All Name Butchers a reliable tactic and I didn't really think I caught all the scum in the random voting stage and I am not actually a flying pumpkin.

What posts from what players were giving you trouble exactly?

Will mention these when everybody has stated their non-serious posts.

ZazieR · Post Post #262 (isolation #9) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:36 am

Peabody wrote:Honestly, I was pretty serious from the very beginning. Post 43 was my first serious post.

Zaz, what is your take on the game so far? I think everyone is waiting for this question to be answered.

I can only answer this question when I'm fully done reading, so please wait.

ZazieR · Post Post #263 (isolation #10) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:38 am

ZazieR wrote:And before I forget again >.<:
Brothernature, are you a fan of Higurashi (Your avatar)?

Thanks for ignoring this,

brothernature

.

ZazieR · Post Post #265 (isolation #11) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:21 am

Oh, come on! He has ignored that question since Page 7. 1 page more doesn't hurt after all those pages of ignoring it. My question on the other hand is brand new

ZazieR · Post Post #268 (isolation #12) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:13 am

Ok, done making notes. There might be more later on when everybody has stated which posts weren't serious.
Anyway, as some might know, my posts are always in 'spam'-style. For those who don't know what that means, you'll find out soon enough. My 'spam fest' starts now ^.^

P.S. Warning, you don't want to post during the 'spam fest'

ZazieR · Post Post #269 (isolation #13) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:14 am

Post 24 – Gut activated.

ZazieR · Post Post #270 (isolation #14) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:14 am

Post 31 – No

Looker

, it’s “Look at Looker”, “The Good-Lookin Looker” or “The Good-Looking Lookeress”. Not “Look”

ZazieR · Post Post #271 (isolation #15) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:14 am

Post 36 – Any reason why Nook over Looker,

Sanjay

?

ZazieR · Post Post #272 (isolation #16) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:15 am

Post 50 – Why would you hope so,

DRK

?

ZazieR · Post Post #273 (isolation #17) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:16 am

Post 62 - scummy, as

Confid

went from a semi-serious vote to a random vote.

ZazieR · Post Post #274 (isolation #18) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:16 am

Post 68 – If this wasn’t serious, then why did you ask this question,

Sanjay

?

ZazieR · Post Post #275 (isolation #19) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:17 am

Post 73 –

Peabody

, what did you think of Sanjay’s explanation?

ZazieR · Post Post #276 (isolation #20) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:17 am

Post 80 –

Nook

, any reason why you did point Looker out, but not Shrine, who is guilty as well for the same thing Looker did?

ZazieR · Post Post #277 (isolation #21) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:18 am

Post 83 – Why this vote,

BigBear

? You dodged it when Sanjay asked.

ZazieR · Post Post #278 (isolation #22) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:18 am

Post 88 –

Sanjay

, why did you ask the question about the RVS?

ZazieR · Post Post #279 (isolation #23) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:18 am

DeathRowKitty wrote:I'm not liking FC right now.

FC wrote:And, can people like Sanjay. nook, and bear (among others) stop saying stupid things and actually try to do something?
This came in his 6th post, immediately following (51 seconds after) his first serious post,
while we were still essentially in the RVS (arguably we're still in the RVS).

Why did you point out the bolded?
Other than that, giving BB a way out and the ‘too scummy to be scum’ – fallacy. As for his vote, it’s based upon disagreement. Not liking that. Post 93 reinforces this statement.

ZazieR · Post Post #280 (isolation #24) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:19 am

Post 97 – So the reason behind your vote is? (

Shrine

)

ZazieR · Post Post #281 (isolation #25) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:19 am

Last sentence of Post 99 from

Nook

has activated my gut.

ZazieR · Post Post #282 (isolation #26) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:20 am

Post 104 – Why,

Bear

?

ZazieR · Post Post #283 (isolation #27) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:21 am

Post 107 – Which is why Bear’s vote after the no-lynch was for you and not for FC? Why didn’t you address this vote from Bear when you thought he was trying to catch scum by voting no-lynch?
Actually, talking about this, how come you didn’t even ask anything about it?
You giving him a way out is also noted. (

Shrine

)

ZazieR · Post Post #284 (isolation #28) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:21 am

Post 111 – Why didn’t you join the discussion,

Peabody

? Also, can you elaborate on the random vote bit?

ZazieR · Post Post #285 (isolation #29) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:21 am

Post 115 – Why ask EC about Bear,

Shrine

?

ZazieR · Post Post #286 (isolation #30) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:21 am

Post 116 – First, lots of assumptions to destroy a theory. Secondly, why did you vote Confid over Looker,

Sanjay

? Don’t like it that it’s based upon disagreement.

ZazieR · Post Post #287 (isolation #31) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:22 am

Post 123 – 4 votes when EC voted if I counted correctly. Meaning L-3. Still scummy?

ZazieR · Post Post #288 (isolation #32) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:22 am

Shrine wrote:No, I don't feel that it's a bus. I am not Scum,
let alone aligned with him
. I don't really see how his vote could even be interpreted as a bus.

Oh? How do you know?
Also, how come you did comment on EC’s vote against you, but not Bear’s vote against you?

ZazieR · Post Post #289 (isolation #33) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:23 am

BigBear wrote:
Looker wrote:Who had the most votes when BigBear decided to go no lynch?
I'm gonna shoot down that theory of... whose ever it was. I chose to vote no lynch, to generate discussion. Look it worked. I mostly wanted to get out of the RVS. Looks like we made it yay!

Not buying this explanation. How did you get the idea to vote yourself?
I also don’t like this defence:

Bear wrote: So scummy that i can't be scum? This isn't Zwet-mafia. No, I'm not really implying Wifom. And i don't even understand psychology that much, what makes you think that I know how to perfect reverse psychology?

ZazieR · Post Post #290 (isolation #34) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:23 am

DeathRowKitty wrote:
FC wrote:BigBear might me doing this on purpose. It's a possible idea that he is scum that does some things that are SO terrible that people think he's not scum. A possible reverse psychology strategy.
It sounds like you're acknowledging your option is less likely (albeit implicitly). Defending a vote you know is based on bad reasoning is scummy (scum want to appear to believe in their votes).

shrine wrote:I am not Scum, let alone aligned with [BigBear].
Scum slip-up?

Can you rephrase the quoted part of FC?
Also, why didn’t you question Shrine further on his ‘scum-slip’?

ZazieR · Post Post #291 (isolation #35) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:23 am

EtherealCookie wrote:I didn't like the godfather comment. He said he wasn't serious I don't care. I'm keeping it there.

Alsooooooooo:

Is it really useful not to put someone at L-2 right out of the random voting stage? What do you hope to accomplish by not putting him at L-2?

[sarcasm]You're right. I should have commented on the post I didn't see until now. Also, I very clearly said bandwagoning was bad.[/sarcasm]
Is it really useful to use sarcasm right out of the random voting stage? What do you hope to accomplish by using sarcasm?

If you didn’t like Shrine’s godfather comment, than what about Looker’s godfather comment here?
Also, the deflection is noted. Just like the deflection in Post 138.

ZazieR · Post Post #292 (isolation #36) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:24 am

Looker wrote:
Shrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1895712#1895712]Post 129[/url] wrote:
EtherealCookie wrote:
Shrinehme wrote:How vague.
Not very vague if you read the rest of my post .
The rest of your post contains comments referring to other players, and the one comment that I already showed you was misinterpreted.

You never explained from where your "bad vibes" come from, is what I mean. You gave nothing else for me to refute or explain, so I think it's vague.
Could it be that he's playing from gut...? And we all know what
that
means...

I don’t

What does it mean?

ZazieR · Post Post #293 (isolation #37) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:24 am

ConfidAnon wrote:This vote does not seem protown at all. It practically screams bandwagon.

Unvote, Vote: EtherealCookie

The guy who bandwagoned himself doesn’t like that somebody else bandwagons? How come?

ZazieR · Post Post #294 (isolation #38) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:24 am

Disagreed on the following (Though EC seems to agree with one):

Peabody wrote:
Far_Cry wrote:BigBear might me doing this on purpose. It's a possible idea that he is scum that does some things that are SO terrible that people think he's not scum. A possible reverse psychology strategy.
All of a sudden you acknowledge you could be wrong... but you could be right... Why is your vote even on BigBear?

Far_Cry wrote: Me bussing BigBear? How could anyone
know
that BigBear and I are scum by page 5? Psychic?
Weird word usage...

EC wrote:He switches his vote a lot in the same posts and he's mean to other people(!!!!). I don't know why he'd vote for No Lynch either.
You basically copied his voting pattern... You voted for yourself, just like BigBear, and now you are questioning BB's erratic behavior (Even after you self-voted?)

I think someone already pointed this out, but these two quotes seem contradictory:
EC wrote:True. I think I'll just stay on the bandwagon for a bit, though.

EC wrote:What is a L-2 going to do right now anyhow? If someone actually does lynch him, that automatically tells us who is scum.
I can't tell what you are trying to do with your Shrinehme vote EC... You said that it won't do anything. But you refuse to take the vote off of him. Then after you are questioned, you decided to act all hardcore about the vote. Seems like you are trying to
feel
your vote..

Also, can you elaborate how the last two quotes from EC seem contradictory?

ZazieR · Post Post #295 (isolation #39) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:25 am

@EC

, how come you have no idea what you’re doing?

ZazieR · Post Post #296 (isolation #40) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:25 am

DeathRowKitty wrote:@EC
What do you think about Peabody's play so far?

Why did you ask about Peabody?

ZazieR · Post Post #297 (isolation #41) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:25 am

Post 159 – Are you suggesting a policy lynch here,

Nook

?

ZazieR · Post Post #298 (isolation #42) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:25 am

Post 166 – What was the reason behind this vote,

Sanjay

?

ZazieR · Post Post #299 (isolation #43) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:26 am

Post 169 – Why aren’t you discussing, while observing,

brothernature

? Also, noted that you showed right up after a player voted for you.

ZazieR · Post Post #300 (isolation #44) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:26 am

Sanjay wrote:Get your own looker to taunt, Shrinehme. This one is mine.

As we say here: ‘Samen delen, samen spelen’ My grandmother would have slapped you if she’d have known that you weren’t doing this

ZazieR · Post Post #301 (isolation #45) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:27 am

IK

– What do you define as ‘gambit’?

ZazieR · Post Post #302 (isolation #46) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:27 am

Post 193 – Jester? Why bring this up?

ZazieR · Post Post #303 (isolation #47) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:28 am

BigBear wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Here ^.^ Will read this game one of these days. I'm learning how irritating a sore throat can be ._.
what does that have to do with typing >.<

Nothing. But I was very irritated that I almost had no voice >.<

ZazieR · Post Post #304 (isolation #48) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:28 am

DeathRowKitty wrote:@ZazieR
What do you think of your predecessor's play?

Tried to direct the town into scumhunting, but due to try this in an aggressive way, he failed. So good intentions, but did it in the wrong way.

ZazieR · Post Post #305 (isolation #49) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:28 am

Shrinehme wrote:
BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
Why?

-Good way to lynch a player who says stupid things.
-Jester discussion is a distraction from scumhunting, which is good for scum.

ZazieR · Post Post #306 (isolation #50) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:29 am

brothernature wrote:Also checking in. Sorry. Playing in another game with an alt at the moment and haven't had time to check up lately. And maybe he meant to say sj, for Sanjay, Sanjay? And yes. Hearing Zaz's take on things would be most helpful.

You lurk and instead of giving your own intake, you ask for the opinion of the new guy? What’s up with that,

brothernature

?

ZazieR · Post Post #307 (isolation #51) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:29 am

Post 250 – Why the unvote,

Shrine

?

ZazieR · Post Post #308 (isolation #52) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:30 am

brothernature wrote:Umn. I'm not sure very many of my posts were all that serious. Was just messing around most the time. But anyway, like we've all asked 100 times now, we'd like to hear your opinions on everything so far. Since he hasn't posted since a while,
Vote: nook
to get some pressure going.

At least he has posted content, something you haven't done since a while. How come?

ZazieR · Post Post #309 (isolation #53) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:30 am

Looker

– How come you wanted to hear from 4 players before answering a question from Sanjay? The same regarding a question from Peabody at which you stated you wanted to hear from Shrine first. And even after he posted, no answer. Please explain.

ZazieR · Post Post #310 (isolation #54) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:33 am

So my list:

scummy

-shrineme
-brothernature
-nook
-confid
-(Bear)

neutral

-IK
-Peabody
-(Bear)

leaning town

-Looker
-EC

Town

-Sanjay
-DRK

ZazieR · Post Post #311 (isolation #55) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:34 am

And with that, I'm done and fully caught up ^.^

Vote brothernature

ZazieR · Post Post #316 (isolation #56) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:00 am

Sanjay wrote:
ZazieR wrote:And with that, I'm done and fully caught up ^.^

Vote brothernature
Don't think I am ignoring your grandmother's wisdom, but why aren't you voting for the person on top of your scumlist?

brothernature is on top. The list isn't ordered from most to less in the groups.

ZazieR · Post Post #317 (isolation #57) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:01 am

Sanjay wrote:Also, thanks, Zazie, for giving this game a much needed kick in the pants.

It seems I do that in most games

Will respond to the two bigger posts tomorrow.

ZazieR · Post Post #344 (isolation #58) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:42 pm

Sanjay wrote:I've heard some people say eagerness to get out of the RVS was a scumtell. I don't know if I necessarily buy it as a scumtell, but I thought it was worth asking about, especially because it didn't seem like Far_Cry had a lot to move out of the RVS with.

It's not. Going out of the RVS, means that real discussion will start. Letting the game move along further and giving a chance at finding scum. Games that drag out the RVS don't get discussion going. And if everybody keeps joking around, the RVS will only get dragged out further. In this case, a deadline will be very destructive.
tl;dr: Leaving the RVS asap is good, dragging it out may be fun, but bad for the game.

Sanjay wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Post 116 – First, lots of assumptions to destroy a theory. Secondly, why did you vote Confid over Looker,
Sanjay
? Don’t like it that it’s based upon disagreement.
Was that supposed to read "lots of assumptions
do
destroy a theory" or something? Because those assumptions are ones you have to make to support the theory, not destroy it. And I think all of those assumptions are pretty hard to believe.

No, I do mean

to

. Connections can easily be found during the first day, especially during the RVS as many don't take it seriously. My example: Open 155.
3 mafia goons. The first two were attacking each other. For some reason, the third decided to direct the attention away from them, while later saying that his top suspicion was among those two players. His reason for doing this? To generate discussion.
So if Shrine turns up scum, Bear should be looked at.

Sanjay wrote:I wasn't feeling that enthusiastic about my ConfidAnon vote

Why?

ZazieR · Post Post #345 (isolation #59) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm

DRK wrote:2. There really wasn't anything to question him about.
Possible Conversation:
-Hey shrine, how do you know you're not aligned with BB?
-I don't.
-Why did you say that then?
-[INSERT REASON/EXCUSE HERE]

The reason/excuse would probably either be "I think BB is scum" or "typo on my part" or something to that effect and wouldn't tell us much.

I was more talking that you first pointed out Shrine's 'scumslip'. But he ignored it and you didn't mention it afterwards. I was wondering why you didn't mention it again after he ignored it, but you later answered that.
And don't give him a way out.

ZazieR · Post Post #346 (isolation #60) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:50 pm

Sanjay wrote:Cool. I'm also still curious about why you asked people about how serious they were.

Apparently I was wrong about Looker and his theory, but for the most part I thought stuff was pretty clear.

I'm used to players using smileys when they joke around. But nobody used them here

So I checked to be certain beforehand, so that if a post didn't get mention, I'd know it was serious and could analyse it without asking myself if it was serious or not.

ZazieR · Post Post #347 (isolation #61) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:00 pm

Just thought of a question:

Confid

, why did you see EC's vote against Shrine as a bandwagon vote, but not Bear's vote aganst Shrine?

ZazieR · Post Post #348 (isolation #62) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:24 pm

Shrinehme wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Post 97 – So the reason behind your vote is? (
Shrine
)
Far_Cry's insults looked more like strategic distancing than genuine emotion.

How?

ZazieR wrote:Post 115 – Why ask EC about Bear,
Shrine
?
Wanted to hear more from EtherealCookie.

My reason for asking was more for the Bear part. Your vote was against Far_Cry at that moment. Yet, instead of asking EC what his opinion is of your top suspect (which was based upon you thinking he was distancing with Nook), you asked him about Bear. So why not one of your top suspicions?

ZazieR wrote:Post 107 – Which is why Bear’s vote after the no-lynch was for you and not for FC? Why didn’t you address this vote from Bear when you thought he was trying to catch scum by voting no-lynch?
Actually, talking about this, how come you didn’t even ask anything about it?
You giving him a way out is also noted. (
Shrine
)
He didn't back up his vote, so it was clear he wasn't planning to go anywhere with it.

Re-phrase the first question?

Your thoughts were that he was trying to draw scum out by voting no-lynch. But instead of voting the one who voted him for voting no-lynch, he voted you. Meaning, your thoughts were wrong. Yet, you didn't ask anything about it at all. Why?

ZazieR wrote:
Shrine wrote:No, I don't feel that it's a bus. I am not Scum,
let alone aligned with him
. I don't really see how his vote could even be interpreted as a bus.
Oh? How do you know?
Also, how come you did comment on EC’s vote against you, but not Bear’s vote against you?
You're interpreting it wrongly. "Aligned" as in, being partnered with him via role [scum partners, ect.].

I commented on EtherealCookie's vote because he put forth a reason for his vote. BigBear gave me nothing to comment on.

Not buying your explanation. The only roles that are connected are: Masons/neighbours, lovers, scum and cult.
Of which the first two don't bus, you say you're not scum and cult isn't possible now. I don't see the reason why you'd point the bolded out.

ZazieR wrote:Post 250 – Why the unvote,
Shrine
?
I'm not interested in pursuing Far_Cry's/your lynch.

What changed?

ZazieR · Post Post #349 (isolation #63) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:28 pm

Shrinehme wrote:
EBWOP

ZazieR wrote:
Shrinehme wrote:
BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
Why?
-Good way to lynch a player who says stupid things.
-Jester discussion is a distraction from scumhunting, which is good for scum.
To the former, placing forth the possibility x is a Jester when their actions are scummy would be used to
deter
their lynch, [e.g. "No, x just looks like a Jester to me. Y looks like actual scum; let's lynch him."] no?

Latter makes sense.

No, it doesn't. Because a jester won't help the town ever and will help the scum in lylo if still alive. Which were the arguments brought up here as well.
If somebody acts suspicious, you'll lynch him no matter what (with the only exception an open game with known jester(s))

ZazieR · Post Post #350 (isolation #64) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:47 pm

brothernature wrote:Lulz is it really that hard to put all of that into one post instead of spamming up two pages? And yes, I'm a fan of Higurashi.

No, it's not hard. But I have my reason for it and it's now part of me as a player as well. Also, Shion > Mion.

Zaz wrote:Post 169 – Why aren’t you discussing, while observing, brothernature? Also, noted that you showed right up after a player voted for you.
Like I said, I'm observing and lurking, just not posting. He asked where I was. I told him I was lurking.

Yes, I saw that you said that. However, I asked 'why'. And you haven't explained that.

Zaz wrote:You lurk and instead of giving your own intake, you ask for the opinion of the new guy? What’s up with that, brothernature?
Indeed I do.

Thanks for admitting, but also this time, I asked 'why'. And you've failed to explain that.

Zaz wrote:At least he has posted content, something you haven't done since a while. How come?
Actually, I'm pretty sure I've never posted any content whatsoever.

Thanks for admitting, but also this time, I asked 'why'. And you've failed to explain that.

And to Sanjay, I really don't like Cookie right now. He's posting all this random shit and distracting the town, making it harder for us to get stuff done. My random shit, however, is more so on topic, just in a jokingly way, most the time.

During the time frame of your last three posts, EC posted twice. How come you didn't mention EC's behaviour before?
And your hypocritism is noted.

ZazieR · Post Post #351 (isolation #65) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:47 pm

Happy birthday, Peabody ^.^

ZazieR · Post Post #352 (isolation #66) » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:58 pm

Sanjay wrote:brothernature, if that's all you can come up with, I don't think your sitting and observing is really justified. Unless you explain to me how posting random shit and distracting the town is a scum-tell, you are basically telling me that after all the observing you have observed basically nothing.

When are you planning on posting your thoughts on the game, exactly? Is it a matter of piling votes on you? Because I'm sure there are a bunch of players that would be happy to oblige.

Even if he can explain it, this behaviour is not justified and is scummy. He should explain why he is doing this.
bn > EC in scummyness.

ZazieR · Post Post #353 (isolation #67) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:00 am

Looker wrote:Zaz, you rock.

Thanks ^.^
Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.

ZazieR · Post Post #354 (isolation #68) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:02 am

EtherealCookie wrote:
Looker wrote:
EtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1904206#1904206]Post 236[/url] wrote:As I mentioned, I'll get to it in the weekend.
Stomach's grumblin , I want some Cookie!

Sanjay's Post 266 - I thought I might have found something but when they responded, it was evident that I hadn't. Coupled with the points you made against the assumption, it was pretty clear that i hadn't thought that one through. In short, I fucked up. O well, on to the next one. That sort of thing, y'know?

Zaz's Post 270 - Look at Looker, you are friggin hilarious. That game rocked, dude, you're the best. You make me want to become a mod. Inspiration!

Zaz's Post 292 - Usually when a player says they're playing by gut, it appears to me that this gives them some sort of leeway to be capricious and fickle. They can change their vote or their stance and call it gut. If they're wrong, no biggie, they were playing on gut, not reasoning. TO be brief, I really just don't trust people's guts to have my best interest in mind.

Zaz's Post 309 - Well, to be honest, I've been trying to build this big, mechanized formula that, if I follow it, it will help me win at mafia no matter what. Currently, it sucks. Waiting for four key players within the thread to respond before I respond was a stipulation of the formula; however, the formula is currently being revised, which is why I'm responding to you as opposed to only Cookie & Shrinehme at this point in the game.

Shrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1906518#1906518]Post 320[/url] wrote:
EBWOP

ZazieR wrote:
Shrinehme wrote:
BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
Why?
-Good way to lynch a player who says stupid things.
-Jester discussion is a distraction from scumhunting, which is good for scum.
To the former, placing forth the possibility x is a Jester when their actions are scummy would be used to
deter
their lynch, [e.g. "No, x just looks like a Jester to me. Y looks like actual scum; let's lynch him."] no?

Latter makes sense.
I think the point he was trying to make would be your ability to manipulate the situation to your liking, whether X be your scum partner or Y, in which instance you've simply distracted the town long enough to hop on a bandwagon which you have no intention to take anywhere.

Hurghhhhhhh.
Tonight.
D:

If you don't, I'll send:

ZazieR · Post Post #355 (isolation #69) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:05 am

Looker wrote:But a quick question, though: Is this more of a waiting game? Because I noticed you can never just jump out and catch scum right off, you have to wait several pages before you can even hope to get something. Is it like that in every game?

No, it's not. But that game is still ongoing, so I can't link yet.
However, waiting is better in general. I've got an ongoing game for that as well ._.

ZazieR · Post Post #356 (isolation #70) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:08 am

Post 331 gets a

Zaz Reminder

ZazieR · Post Post #357 (isolation #71) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:13 am

Sanjay wrote:I'm starting to think that maybe the reason brothernature isn't posting as much is because we aren't talking about brothernature's favorite topic of conversation.

Everyone! Have you ever noticed how pro-town brothernature is? He probably has the town win condition, don't you think?

ZazieR · Post Post #358 (isolation #72) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:15 am

Looker wrote:And another thing: Do pressure votes work if they're actually depicted as pressure votes?

Nope.

ZazieR · Post Post #359 (isolation #73) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:17 am

Idiotking wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
IK
– What do you define as ‘gambit’?
I think a gambit or gamble is when people do something that may be seen as scummy or PR-esque to get people to react, when it's not really the case. A vanilla townie acting like a PR to get NK'd instead of a real PR, for example,
or a townie doing something that seems scummy so they can see whether others jump on them overeagerly and try to get a premature bandwagon.
That sort of thing.

I don't like them because I can never tell what's a gamble and what's genuine if they do that.

Then explain why you liked Bear's actions.

ZazieR · Post Post #365 (isolation #74) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:41 am

Looker wrote:
ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907298#1907298]Post 353[/url] wrote:
Looker wrote:Zaz, you rock.
Thanks ^.^
Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.
Gah, the dreaded meta! You don't think meta is counterintuitive and that it prohibits an individual's development or growth as a player?

No, it doesn't.

ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907310#1907310]Post 358[/url] wrote:
Looker wrote:And another thing: Do pressure votes work if they're actually depicted as pressure votes?
Nope.
So I'm guessing the following could be seen as daytalk/daysignals? But, then again, that could be jumping the gun on my part.

Nope. BN is trying to give us the impression that he's actually doing something.

ZazieR · Post Post #366 (isolation #75) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:43 am

DeathRowKitty wrote:
Mod, can we get a prod on nook?

We're on a new page? Zaz must have been posting again!

Zaz wrote:Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.
How does it show that (meta-based reasons?)?

Just a thought, but if EC gets lynched and flips town, I could see Looker as trying to gain townie points as scum by saying he thinks EC is a townie with an interesting playstyle.

Well, not really. It has to do with her past games though.
And no, I disagree. Because I lean town on EC as well. I can see where Looker is coming from.

ZazieR · Post Post #368 (isolation #76) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:47 am

Sanjay wrote:What's the deal with this? He goes from joking around himself to being absolutely disgusted with the town, to the point that he personally insults nook. It strikes me as a bit artificial.

So perhaps eagerness to leave the RVS isn't a scumtell, but a professed eagerness to leave the RVS, especially in this context, is.

No, Post 78 shows sarcastic remarks. The response Nook gave him lead to the personal attack.
Still don't see it as a scumtell.

ZazieR · Post Post #378 (isolation #77) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:22 am

Sanjay wrote:Zazie, could you expound a bit on why you voted for brothernature?

-The observing, while not discussing.
-Talking when being called out.
-Vote against Nook.
-Dodging my questions.
-The observations regarding EC
-And the general active lurking when posting.

ZazieR · Post Post #379 (isolation #78) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:23 am

ConfidAnon wrote:
DeathRowKitty wrote:Interesting state of affairs with FC the past few days:

He replaced out of this game when he was about to be lynched in his newbie game, after which he joined another newbie game. He then joined another newbie game. Net result: -1 game, a result he could have achieved by staying in this game instead of joining a new one. The fact that he chose to join a new one instead of sticking with this one
really
doesn't sit well with me.
This is
extremely
interesting.

Did you also see the comment of DRK afterwards?

ZazieR · Post Post #380 (isolation #79) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:24 am

ConfidAnon wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Just thought of a question:

Confid
, why did you see EC's vote against Shrine as a bandwagon vote, but not Bear's vote aganst Shrine?
Where is Bear's vote against Shrine at?

Bear's vote

ZazieR · Post Post #381 (isolation #80) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:26 am

ZazieR wrote:Post 123 – 4 votes when EC voted if I counted correctly. Meaning L-3. Still scummy?

Though this wasn't aimed at you, I wouldn't mind if you'd respond to this as well,

confid

ZazieR · Post Post #382 (isolation #81) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:27 am

Sanjay wrote:Come on, ConfidAnon. We can't lynch everyone that posts like ZazieR.

Your reason for this post?

ZazieR · Post Post #383 (isolation #82) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:28 am

ZazieR wrote:
ConfidAnon wrote:This vote does not seem protown at all. It practically screams bandwagon.

Unvote, Vote: EtherealCookie
The guy who bandwagoned himself doesn’t like that somebody else bandwagons? How come?

You forgot to answer this,

Confid

ZazieR · Post Post #391 (isolation #83) » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:18 am

Will look at the latest posts more tomorrow.
But I must say that Sanjay gets pushed into the shadows by my super hot chickness, seeing as he still gets ignored by Confid

(Yes

Confid

, this is a hint that you're dodging a question from Sanjay)

ZazieR · Post Post #423 (isolation #84) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:14 am

ConfidAnon wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Though this wasn't aimed at you, I wouldn't mind if you'd respond to this as well, confid
He was being pretty jumpy there . . . that's kind of scummy.

Define 'jumpy'

ZazieR wrote:The guy who bandwagoned himself doesn’t like that somebody else bandwagons? How come?
He wasn't contributing, which, when combined with the bandwagon vote, was very scummy. I know I'm sounding hypocritical here, but I have since made an effort to start contributing more. He really hasn't.

Post 331?

ZazieR · Post Post #424 (isolation #85) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:18 am

Sanjay wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Sanjay wrote:Come on, ConfidAnon. We can't lynch everyone that posts like ZazieR.
Your reason for this post?
I want to keep everything from getting buried under a mountain of multi-posts and I thought throwing out empty threats would be a good way to do it.

You're wrong. It's not the many posts that makes players ignore some posts. It's my super hot chickness

It gets injected into my posts and it draws every player their attention to it

Seriously though, I don't have problems with many posts after each other. As long as most of them contains scumhunting/content.

ZazieR · Post Post #425 (isolation #86) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:25 am

Regarding the Confid-DRK debate, I disagree with Confid, due to one quote:

DRK wrote:Can you think of any non-mafia motivations for EC's actions? I'm just looking for a yes or a no...

ZazieR · Post Post #426 (isolation #87) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:28 am

EtherealCookie wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Looker wrote:Zaz, you rock.
Thanks ^.^
Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.
I've had town-looker replace and act all anti-town. So, I wouldn't be sure about that. I don't think Looker'd be silly enough to just stick with one personality depending on if he was town or scum.

I've seen Looker play three games now (Not counting this one):
-One in which I thought she was one of the more pro-town looking players (though I was scum)
-One in which I thought she was one of the scummiest players (I think I even voted her)
-One in which she was scum.

I've seen three different Looker's, yet I'm still certain she's town in this game.

ZazieR · Post Post #427 (isolation #88) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:29 am

EtherealCookie wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Post 331 gets a
Zaz Reminder
What? I answered everything! I'm just waiting on questions people might have.

That post has a

Zaz Reminder

for a different reason.

ZazieR · Post Post #428 (isolation #89) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:30 am

Sanjay wrote:Confid is dodging one of my questions? That's news to me.

I mean this wasn't the greatest answer in the world, but it's an answer.

Missed it.

ZazieR · Post Post #430 (isolation #90) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:50 am

Shrinehme wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Shrinehme wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Post 97 – So the reason behind your vote is? (
Shrine
)
Far_Cry's insults looked more like strategic distancing than genuine emotion.
How?
Seemed unprovoked. I see little purpose for this tidbit thrown into his post: "Oh, by the way, you are a total idiot nook. And I never new you were gay." ... other than to start an argument with Nook, which could have strategic distancing value.

It seemed unprovoked? Did you actually see Nook's comment to him? He was provoked.
[teach]These posts show how dangerous sarcasm can be if you don't like to be insulted[/teach]

ZazieR wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Post 115 – Why ask EC about Bear,
Shrine
?
Wanted to hear more from EtherealCookie.
My reason for asking was more for the Bear part. Your vote was against Far_Cry at that moment. Yet, instead of asking EC what his opinion is of your top suspect (which was based upon you thinking he was distancing with Nook), you asked him about Bear. So why not one of your top suspicions?
It's unfair to say Far_Cry could be called a "top suspect" of mine at that point. I did not analyze everyone's behavior up until that point and think he was most suspicious. The vote was thrown his way casually based on a mere observation/possibility.

Still doesn't explain why you asked about Bear, instead of the player who you were voting.

ZazieR wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Post 107 – Which is why Bear’s vote after the no-lynch was for you and not for FC? Why didn’t you address this vote from Bear when you thought he was trying to catch scum by voting no-lynch?
Actually, talking about this, how come you didn’t even ask anything about it?
You giving him a way out is also noted. (
Shrine
)
He didn't back up his vote, so it was clear he wasn't planning to go anywhere with it.

Re-phrase the first question?
Your thoughts were that he was trying to draw scum out by voting no-lynch. But instead of voting the one who voted him for voting no-lynch, he voted you. Meaning, your thoughts were wrong. Yet, you didn't ask anything about it at all. Why?
Didn't feel a need to do so. After he'd voted me I couldn't tell whether he was gambiting or taking advantage of RVS, or whatever.
Should I have?
Can you elaborate on "You giving him a way out is also noted."?

You should have. Your impression was that Bear was trying to lure out scum by acting scummy. Yet, you later found out that this wasn't the case. I'm surprised that you didn't question his motives due to that.
Also, is self-voting scummy or not?

Elaboration: You gave an explanation why Bear could act like that, before Bear could explain, giving him an excuse if he needed it.

ZazieR wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Post 250 – Why the unvote,
Shrine
?
I'm not interested in pursuing Far_Cry's/your lynch.
What changed?
Tone of the game. My vote for him is nice for reaction-searching in RVS/early post-RVS. Not something to follow up with a lynch based off of.

When did this occur (The change of the tone)?

ZazieR · Post Post #431 (isolation #91) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:52 am

Looker wrote:
EtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1907993#1907993]Post 394[/url] wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Looker wrote:Zaz, you rock.
Thanks ^.^
Post 325 shows that we're dealing with town-Looker and not scum-Looker.
I've had town-looker replace and act all anti-town. So, I wouldn't be sure about that. I don't think Looker'd be silly enough to just stick with one personality depending on if he was town or scum.
Stick with one personality? I can't even stick with one gender! Zaz, r u the only one who knows I'm a she?

Apparently

But I'm one of the few who try to pay attention to somebody's gender.

ZazieR · Post Post #432 (isolation #92) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:53 am

BN

, do you see yourself as lurker and why?

ZazieR · Post Post #434 (isolation #93) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:42 am

Mod - I'll be V/LA from tuesday (tomorrow) till thursday

ZazieR · Post Post #495 (isolation #94) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:46 am

Peabody

, regarding Post 111, I wanted you to elaborate on this:

Peabody wrote:Far_Cry's post 59 and post 60 makes me a bit uneasy. I think it is a bit strange to failvote and then revote during the RVS. It's a vote that doesn't matter anyway..

Peabody wrote:They seem contradictory because EthrealCookie seemed to acknowledge the power of his vote, and then said that his vote did nothing.

Did you read the quotes in context?

Peabody wrote:After reading, I am really starting to suspect Brothernature.

Why?

ZazieR · Post Post #496 (isolation #95) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:48 am

ConfidAnon wrote:
Zazie wrote:Define 'jumpy'
Overly careful with your vote, taking it off just as quick as you put it on.

So how was this the case regarding EC's vote against Shrine?

ZazieR · Post Post #497 (isolation #96) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:53 am

ConfidAnon wrote:You started it . . . whats the point of arguing this point? There is very little difference between either argument.

No, he didn't. If you only want to hear 'yes' or 'no', you're not starting a discussion.

ZazieR · Post Post #498 (isolation #97) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:54 am

Looker wrote:So...who won the jester argument? Sorry, but DRK's sig is a serious turn-off. It hurt my eyes...

Neither. Both are very stubborn to see that it's a town VS town discussion.
(Though Confid is wrong in saying that DRK started it)

ZazieR · Post Post #499 (isolation #98) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:55 am

DeathRowKitty wrote:Speaking of brothernature, I think we have our first lurker-scum.

That took you a while to find out.

ZazieR · Post Post #500 (isolation #99) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:00 am

DeathRowKitty wrote:EBWOP EBWOP: Even brothernature's alt has posted since BN's last post here.

Ethics: You don't reveal an alt

ZazieR · Post Post #502 (isolation #100) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:05 am

Idiotking wrote:
Looker wrote: @BigBear & IdiotKing: Are you still happy with your current position on the Cookie wagon?
Nothing's changed to make me reconsider my vote. I prefer getting rid of useless people first so they don't screw things up later when we're in more dire situations.

Policy lynch voter.
Also, IK should have explained why he hadn't called other 'useless' players out.

ZazieR · Post Post #503 (isolation #101) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:19 am

Shrinehme wrote:I think that the argument is over a small detail that's pretty trivial in the first place.

Idiotking wrote:
Looker wrote: @BigBear & IdiotKing: Are you still happy with your current position on the Cookie wagon?
Nothing's changed to make me reconsider my vote. I prefer getting rid of useless people first so they don't screw things up later when we're in more dire situations.
Brothernature also fits that description, no? What makes EtherealCookie appeal to you more?

Vote: Brothernature

Why did you vote BN?

ZazieR · Post Post #510 (isolation #102) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:27 am

Shrine wrote:I read it. I disagree. I wouldn't have been set off by Nook's post.

You aren't FC. It may not have set you off, but it did set FC off.

Shrine wrote:BigBear's No Lynch vote and Shrinehme vote were fresh, relevant and discussable. Just the first person who came to mind.

Disagreed. It was FC's vote that got discussed due to Bear's No Lynch vote. And nobody, not even you, mentioned the Shrine vote at that time.

Shrine wrote:But given that, as I already told you, I wasn't actually pushing for Far_Cry's lynch; that my Far_Cry vote was really more of a casual or RVS-ish vote, why does it matter whether I'm getting EtherealCookie's opinion of BigBear or Far_Cry? As I said also, my goal wasn't really to get opinions of BigBear; rather just to get EtherealCookie to join in the discussion and talk more. Information is yielded either way.

Question: What was your opinion of FC's vote against Bear? And what was your opinion of Bear's No Lynch vote?

Your example about self-voting isn't the same as what happened here. It's an invalid comparison.
As for you giving him a way out, you shouldn't know what he thinks. By answering before him, we don't know what his real intensions could have been.

Shrine wrote:The game took a more serious turn around page 6. I did want to include a Vote: Brothernature in Post 173, but I didn't want to give up the Far_Cry vote at the time. Because 1) I didn't want it to seem as though I dismissed him, and 2) he'd fell off of the radar after some vote piled onto him..
The time you replaced in, I decided to take it off. Your post 242 [which I quoted] prompted me to look for a better vote.

But the actual BN vote came much later then when you wanted to vote him according to you. How come?
Also, why did you want to vote BN back at Post 173?

ZazieR · Post Post #511 (isolation #103) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:29 am

Looker wrote:It takes 7 to lynch.
7

Why did you point this out?

ZazieR · Post Post #512 (isolation #104) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:31 am

EtherealCookie wrote:So, people still voting for me. I'd like to actually hear questions from you, because I don't understand why you still have my votes on me if you have absolutely no questions for me, which would mean you aren't suspicious of me.

Is this also not the case regarding your vote against Shrine?

ZazieR · Post Post #513 (isolation #105) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:32 am

Peabody wrote:I'm going to

unvote ZazieR; vote brothernature

I'm pretty sure he's scum.

Why?

ZazieR · Post Post #514 (isolation #106) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:47 am

Bear wrote:Mostly to start discussion. I felt as if the RVS was carrying on for quite some time.

Yet, you never discussed about your No Lynch vote yourself. Eventhough you state you wanted to start discussion. And instead, you changed your vote. How come?

Bear wrote:To give that Chainsaw Defense against me some merit? Mostly to bandwagon for some discussion.

How serious is the question? Also, didn't you call Sanjay a bandwagoning monster? So how come you bandwagoned here?
It also makes your EC vote look bad, as EC actually had a reason for suspecting Shrine.

Bear wrote:Mostly from Mastin.

Not Mastin ._.
In all the times he did it, I don't think it has worked. At least, not in my games with him.
And please look at the post that had the defence in it that I don't like.

As for my points against BN:
-The first point is lurking, which I normally have nothing against. But he tries to make it seem good by stating that he's observing. And we all have seen what his observing has been.
-His vote against Nook was bad, because he stated it was for pressure. By stating it was for pressure, it loses the purpose of pressuring, giving me the impression it's fake.
-My last point is active lurking, which is different than lurking.

Bear wrote:I'm going to wait until a vote count, to vote.

The VC was a few posts up. How come you missed it?

ZazieR · Post Post #515 (isolation #107) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:48 am

Looker wrote:Yeah, I second the votecount, I'm lost.

Thanks alot, Peabody!

How come you missed the VC a few posts up?
Also, why did you thank Peabody?

ZazieR · Post Post #516 (isolation #108) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:50 am

Wait, are there really players saying that BN fits his town meta by basing it upon activity?

ZazieR · Post Post #517 (isolation #109) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:53 am

Looker wrote:
vote brothernature

Why?

ZazieR · Post Post #518 (isolation #110) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:54 am

Shrinehme wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
leaning town

-EC
Could you elaborate more on this Zazie? What about EtherealCookie makes you think he's Town?

Gut and due to the wagon against EC.

ZazieR · Post Post #519 (isolation #111) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:56 am

Looker

- Why the switch to Confid in Post 489?

ZazieR · Post Post #520 (isolation #112) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:59 am

Welcome

KoC

^.^
What do you think of IK, the guy you replaced, stating that he doesn't like gambits (See his defination of a gambit), while liking Bear's No Lynch vote which fits his description of a gambit?

ZazieR · Post Post #521 (isolation #113) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:04 am

BigBear wrote:[piggybacking]
Especially in an on going game :/

[/piggybacking]

I don't understand this post

ZazieR · Post Post #522 (isolation #114) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:06 am

DeathRowKitty wrote:
Zaz wrote:Both are very stubborn to see that it's a town VS town discussion.
Why do you think CA is town?

Due to the attack against you. It was a bad one, but I don't see scum do it.

ZazieR · Post Post #523 (isolation #115) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:08 am

Looker wrote:So does that mean the people voting brother can...um...transfer over to Confid...?

I won't.
Confid still reads as town and BN/replacement is still scum.

ZazieR · Post Post #526 (isolation #116) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:29 am

DRK

I can see a town player in Confid who thinks he's right with what he saw, even after all the things that got pointed out that show that his attack is wrong.
The only thing that is less is that he's 'dropping' the attack. But even after that, I still think he's town.

ZazieR · Post Post #527 (isolation #117) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:46 am

Bear wrote:Zaz, why should I have to start discussion about voting no lynch, or voting for myself? Shouldn't it be other players that question me? And not myself? We shouldn't really be having this conversation now. It should have been in RVS. It's all about looking for over reactions.

I was more talking about keeping the discussion up. Instead, you didn't do a thing with the discussion regarding your No Lynch vote (Except for one post where you state you agree with one of DRK's posts, but you never pushed it further). How come?

Bear wrote:Why did I bandwagon onto Shrine? Aside from putting pressure, it was also to discredit that "chainsaw defense" argument against whoever (me I think). They thought I voted no lynch to distract from some one's lynch, It might have even been shrines. I can't remember, and can't really be arsed to find it.

I don't see how it should 'prove' you two aren't scum together.
Also, as said earlier, it makes me dislike your vote against EC more.

Bear wrote:I was voting EC because it looked like he was a twelve year old kid on crack.

So you didn't think he was acting like scum?

Bear wrote:Mastin is an inspiration. Where did that Kid go?

Not an inspiration. He is fun to play with.
Has less time than before

(Also dropped out of my game, while I replaced in a 60+ game to get him to replace into my game

)

ZazieR · Post Post #533 (isolation #118) » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:48 am

Bear wrote:I guess I still don't understand, and for that I apologize. But, are you blaming me (in a sense) because no one really commented on my vote for a no lynch? If people would have pressured me, or asked about it, i think I would have responded. But maybe your asking why I didn't keep my "no lynch" status up for a little bit longer? I don't know, it's not like I really wanted a no lynch, at this point in the game it would only give weak night information. But seriously, what am I supposed to do, put pressure on myself?

What I'm asking is why you didn't enter the discussion about your self-vote.
You voted yourself --> FC voted you for that --> Players discussed FC's vote --> Bear does other stuff --> Bear finally states that he agrees with a post from DRK about FC.
Other than that post from DRK, you don't mention the discussion that your self-vote caused at all. And you never push the thing you did comment on. I'm interested in hearing why.

Bear wrote:Whoever it was that brought up the idea of the chainsaw defense, said that it occurred when shrine was bandwagoned, and I voted no lynch to try and "distract" from shrines lynch, I believe. correct me if i'm wrong there. But that really isn't a chainsaw defense, was it? Also, what should have been called out, as extremely suspicious was me voting Shrine after the weak CSD. If that happened to someone else, I would have called them out hardcore. Because i could see that as scum accepting his partners death. So yea, I don't really know why no one called me out on that. Perhaps someone on the Shrine wagon is scum, and didn't care, just wanted more votes. That would make sense why they didn't call me out.

Well, I actually asked how your vote against Shrine should have proved your not scum together. So it's strange that you now state that it would have been a reinforcing move for the assumption from Looker about you and Shrine.
But after reading this, I need to look at something.
(And yeah, it's not a chainsaw defense. That's when you're attacking/voting a player who's attacking/voting your buddy.)

Bear wrote:I know you must be tired of this, but no, I didn't really see him as scum, mostly just putting pressure on him.

What did you wish to gain from this pressure on EC?

Bear wrote:They have 60+ player games on this site? Sick nasty! I should never play in that though. I take it that he will make a come back next summer?

As far as I know, they don't have 60+ player games. The most I know of is 56. I meant 60+ pages. (Also, it had Mastin in that game with Mastin-posts)
And I don't know when he gets back.

ZazieR · Post Post #534 (isolation #119) » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:49 am

Looker wrote:Just posting to show my face and stuff. @ Zaz, I forgot, but I'll get back in all these games around the site. Just kinda busy right now...

At what is that part regarding me aimed?

ZazieR · Post Post #535 (isolation #120) » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:54 am

And where's everybody?
Confid, EC, Peabody, Sanjay and Shrine haven't posted in a while.
Of which Peabody, EC and Sanjay are still around. (Stupid search function is still not working correctly after one search, so I don't know about the other two.)

Mod

- can you prod these 5 players?

ZazieR · Post Post #536 (isolation #121) » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:56 am

Confid and Shrine both posted last in this game.

ZazieR · Post Post #548 (isolation #122) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:38 am

ZazieR wrote:
Sanjay wrote:Zazie, could you expound a bit on why you voted for brothernature?
-The observing, while not discussing.
-Talking when being called out.
-Vote against Nook.
-Dodging my questions.
-The observations regarding EC
-And the general active lurking when posting.

That's why^^

ZazieR · Post Post #549 (isolation #123) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:39 am

Welcome, btw.

ZazieR · Post Post #560 (isolation #124) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:22 am

Sanjay wrote:What would you like to hear from me, ZazieR?

Nothing much. I'd ony like to hear some content from you. No biggy.

Did you already explain why you've been absent?

Nope, you didn't. Could you do so?

ZazieR · Post Post #561 (isolation #125) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:27 am

Kreriov wrote:And Peabody has asked for a replacement. (Before DJ replaced in. I just read DJs PM first.) I do hope all the replacing out is not because I am sucking at modding and mainly because fall classes are starting!

Sending out prods as well.

Though Peabody did stay in his other mini game. That's noted.

(You're not a bad mod. I've seen much worse *cough*NAME WITHHELD as the game is still ongoing*cough*)

ZazieR · Post Post #562 (isolation #126) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:30 am

EtherealCookie wrote:Right, I'm still around. I don't really have much to say right now, unfortunately. We're still in Day I, I'm very engaged in two of my games, and I should probably be posting here more but I can't find much to say :X. That's why I was asking for questions directed to me, but I didn't really get any. People just dropped the bandwagon on me instead.

So why don't you ask questions to those who you suspect or comment on recent discussion(s)?

ZazieR · Post Post #563 (isolation #127) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:41 am

For

Shrine

Zaz wrote:Question: What was your opinion of FC's vote against Bear? And what was your opinion of Bear's No Lynch vote?

Meaning: Scummy or not and why?

Zaz wrote:But the actual BN vote came much later then when you wanted to vote him according to you. How come?
Also, why did you want to vote BN back at Post 173?

ZazieR · Post Post #564 (isolation #128) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:51 am

DRK wrote:As for post 93, I iso'd BB in his other game (he was scum) before making that post and he played considerably better than he was in this game. Of course that doesn't mean he isn't scum, but to me, that pretty clearly means his actions weren't because he was scum playing badly. It's more of a "too scummy to be a reliable scum tell for a decent player" kind of thing.

Which is what you're being accused off.

ZazieR · Post Post #565 (isolation #129) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:21 am

Bear wrote:what did you need to look at?

The Shrine-wagon. And after seeing EC's post, the EC-wagon as well.

Bear wrote:I don't remember if I was actually trying to prove that we weren't scum together

Then why state it as reason?

Bear wrote:Would you believe, to see how he would react?

Would need to look at it in context to see if it's believable. Will do so later
But why ask?

Bear wrote:1. who do you think is scum, aside from Brother nature
2. Do you think that the random voting stage was a normal length for a mini normal?

1. Shrine, Nook and KoC.
Not sure about two other players.
2. Nope.

ZazieR · Post Post #566 (isolation #130) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:23 am

Looker

, why did you vote DJ?

ZazieR · Post Post #567 (isolation #131) » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:39 am

DJ

- What do you think of Bear from what you've read so far?
And can you elaborate why Shrine confirms he's scum to you on page 6?

ZazieR · Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:34 pm

DeathRowKitty wrote:
I wrote:As for post 93, I iso'd BB in his other game (he was scum) before making that post and he played considerably better than he was in this game. Of course that doesn't mean he isn't scum, but to me, that pretty clearly means his actions weren't because he was scum playing badly. It's more of a "too scummy to be a reliable scum tell for a decent player" kind of thing.
Which is what you're being accused off.
To me, there's a difference. BB's behavior by no means cleared him in my mind (slightly scummy read at the time for another post of his I found suspicious), though I do have a town read on BB right now. Basically, I knew he was capable of playing much better as scum than he was (in his only game on the site, nonetheless). There's no reason for me to believe his behavior was serious, especially since it was in the RVS. If he'd continued to play like that, I would have found it scummy, but...I don't know...it just seemed obvious to me that that wasn't serious BB scum play.

You're exactly describing said fallacy. You saw something scummy, but thought that it was so scummy, it couldn't have come from that player as scum.
That's the 'too scummy to be scum'-fallacy

ZazieR · Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:35 pm

ZazieR wrote:
EtherealCookie wrote:Right, I'm still around. I don't really have much to say right now, unfortunately. We're still in Day I, I'm very engaged in two of my games, and I should probably be posting here more but I can't find much to say :X. That's why I was asking for questions directed to me, but I didn't really get any. People just dropped the bandwagon on me instead.
So why don't you ask questions to those who you suspect or comment on recent discussion(s)?

Still waiting on this,

EC

And an explanation why you aren't doing so.

ZazieR · Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:36 pm

Looker wrote:
ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1927819#1927819]Post 566[/url] wrote:
Looker
, why did you vote DJ?
Because my current conclusion is that the Mafia are:
Don_Johnson, Sanjay, & [Cookie - OR - BigBear]
, so
FoS the whole lot of'em
.

With what reasons?

ZazieR · Post Post #577 (isolation #135) » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:24 am

EtherealCookie wrote:
So why don't you ask questions to those who you suspect or comment on recent discussion(s)?
I don't suspect anyone, honestly.

Question: What will you do during the days?

ZazieR · Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:15 pm

Looker wrote:Sanjay - Was working under the assumption that you and Confid are town
DJ - Because I doubt Zaz, Peabody, and Shrine are all scum
Cookie - OR - BigBear - I'm leaning town on Nook & Cydonia.

So sorry guys but working off limited resources, including time, will try to actually benefit the site

I don't understand the logic behind this. Can you elaborate on it?

ZazieR · Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:16 pm

KoC

- How far are you with your read?

ZazieR · Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:18 pm

Looker wrote:
Looker's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1929185#1929185]Post 579[/url] wrote:Sanjay - Was working under the assumption that you and Confid are town
DJ - Because I doubt Zaz, Peabody, and Shrine are all scum

Cookie - OR - BigBear - I'm leaning town on Nook & Cydonia.

So sorry guys but working off limited resources, including time, will try to actually benefit the site
Updated to reflect Cydonia's recent unvote

Don't understand why it changes anything. I have seen your reason why, but why does it alter your third suspect?

ZazieR · Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:20 pm

Looker wrote:but if it does we benefit from one less mafia

And it gives the mafia who pushed for his buddy lynch town points.

ZazieR · Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:53 pm

Yes, you do. You already showed that.
Mind giving the elaboration I asked for?

ZazieR · Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:24 pm

I don't know who the guy was. Ether took that guy from Incog's avatar and his avatar is from some movie I've never seen. Me and Incog were against her being a member of Mith's minions and so she took his head and combined it with my avatar. (Short summary)

Anyway, I'm asking for two elaborations:
-First is about your first list. You stated reasons why you saw that as scumteam. You had 4 off your scumlist, because you see them as town. But with three who were off your scumlist, this wasn't the reason stated. You couldn't see me, Peabody and Shrine as scumteam. So why wasn't one of us included in the scumlist?
-Secondly, the alteration of the third scum. How does KoC's unvote change it? I've seen your reason, but how does it alter the third suspect when KoC isn't in your scumlist?

ZazieR · Post Post #595 (isolation #142) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:32 am

One question left after looking at your past posts:
-What happened to your Confid suspicions?

I disagree with the part where you say that me, Peabody and Shrine are scum if DJ is town. Because if this should be the case, it must mean that DJ is scum.
But you're basing most of your suspicions on PoE. So I disagree with most of it. The only ones I agree with are Confid, DJ and DRK.

And I still don't understand the KoC unvote stuff.

ZazieR · Post Post #597 (isolation #143) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:40 am

Process of Elimination.

ZazieR · Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:23 pm

DeathRowKitty wrote:
Looker wrote: i doubt mafia will kill off their own if they dont have to.
I think you're basing your suspicions a little too much on votes. In my last game as scum (DJ replaced into the game near the end of Day 1), I spent about half of Day 1 with my vote on one of my buddies (and would have looked to lynch him if his claim hadn't sounded believable). Sometimes, the only motivation needed for bussing is a scummy-looking partner.

Does anyone know what's going on with CA? (Is he still around, is he getting prodded/replaced, etc?)

I think he's been prodded. But I'm not sure.

Mod

- Can you clarify this?

Also, one of my best wins came due to me bussing my partner D1 ^.^
(Partner fake-claimed right at the start of D1. I and another scum member from a different mafia group attacked him. Ppl cleared him after both of the attackers had flipped

)

ZazieR · Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:26 pm

Also,

Mod

- Can Shrine be prodded?

ZazieR · Post Post #635 (isolation #146) » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:03 am

Knight of Cydonia wrote:I believe what ZazieR is, rather unsubtly, suggesting is that only scum don't suspect anyone, and that if you don't suspect anyone, you must be doing absolutely nothing during the day, and waiting for night. Which is a damn good point,

Basically, this. You're stating that you want those who suspect you to ask questions as you have nothing to say. Nobody is doing so.
You've also stated that you don't suspect anyone, which is why you're not asking questions.
So if you don't have questions to answer and won't ask questions yourself, what will you do?

ZazieR · Post Post #636 (isolation #147) » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:05 am

BigBear wrote:wait... what's the case on DJ at the moment?

He replaced BN. So the case from me against him is the same as the case from me against BN, which was:

ZazieR wrote:
Sanjay wrote:Zazie, could you expound a bit on why you voted for brothernature?
-The observing, while not discussing.
-Talking when being called out.
-Vote against Nook.
-Dodging my questions.
-The observations regarding EC
-And the general active lurking when posting.

ZazieR · Post Post #857 (isolation #148) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:21 am

Starting with catching up. Please prepare as I have a lot to get caught up with.

ZazieR · Post Post #858 (isolation #149) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:23 am

Bear

, can you link to the game(s) you've played with Brothernature?

ZazieR · Post Post #859 (isolation #150) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:26 am

To those who are stating that DRK started the Jester discussion

, please state how you get this impression when DRK has stated this:

DRK wrote:@IK
Can you think of any non-mafia motivations for EC's actions? I'm just looking for a yes or a no (I asked you specifically because your experience playing with me makes you more likely to figure out what I'm implying).

Asking for only a 'yes or no' and only asking one player. Both do not result into discussion.

ZazieR · Post Post #860 (isolation #151) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:31 am

I'll look at each post from DJ in which he states his catch-up suspicions when I'm fully caught up.

ZazieR · Post Post #863 (isolation #152) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:36 am

Confid

, you've stated that bringing up jester is scummy. Yet, you never commented at it towards Nook, while he brought it up in the group.
How come?

ZazieR · Post Post #864 (isolation #153) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:38 am

Raskol wrote:Also, ZazieR, you need to explain why you haven't been posting in this thread fo rthe past week or so.

See sig.
My studie is much more time consuming then I thought. When I get behind, I mostly keep uptodate with those only need to be responded to with a few posts so that I don't get behind in those games as well.
It's a bad habit of mine.

ZazieR · Post Post #866 (isolation #154) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:45 am

Raskol wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Raskol wrote:Also, ZazieR, you need to explain why you haven't been posting in this thread fo rthe past week or so.
See sig.
My studie is much more time consuming then I thought. When I get behind, I mostly keep uptodate with those only need to be responded to with a few posts so that I don't get behind in those games as well.
It's a bad habit of mine.
Bullshit. You've been posting 30+ posts a day on the site. You could have done one a day in this game. You chose not to, yet didn't have the decency to get yourself replaced.

Why is that?

I could have done so. But as stated above, I only paid attention to those games that didn't need much time. I could have done one post each day, but an ongoing game shows why that's bad.
As for not asking to be replaced, that's because I want to finish this game.

May I now continue catching up?

ZazieR · Post Post #868 (isolation #155) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:57 am

Raskol wrote:You wanted to finish the game---I don't care. The rest of the players need a players lot to be filled by someone who's actually playing. Your action was at best incredibly selfish.

Looking at the first post, it seems it was better I didn't ask to be replaced.

In the meantime, you're on my blacklist. I won't be playing in any more games with you. You probably don't care, just thought you should know. If we don't get your replaced out or lynched today, I'm going to ask for a replacement, because I won't spend another day in a game you're still in.

Didn't you just state that this game needs players who are playing this game? Replacing out really helps with that, doesn't it? Brings also the part of 'selfishness' up for you.
This part shows how much of a hypocrite you are.

As for catching up: if by 'catching up', you mean spamming the thread with a page of one-liner posts, then no, you may not, as far as I'm concerned...though I don't suppose I'll be able to stop you.

Catching up means that I read the posts that I've missed and analyse them to catch scum. 'Spamming' does this for me. So, yes.
You're also right that I won't listen.

ZazieR · Post Post #870 (isolation #156) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:59 am

ConfidAnon wrote:
Zazie, 526 wrote:DRK
I can see a town player in Confid who thinks he's right with what he saw, even after all the things that got pointed out that show that his attack is wrong.
The only thing that is less is that he's 'dropping' the attack. But even after that, I still think he's town.
Sigh. This is gettng old, I'm done arguing this point.

Exactly my point. As far as I know, your reason for voting DRK is based upon him starting the jester discussion according to you. Due to this (And his hypocrism if you believe this argument), he's your top suspect. And you want to drop this, because you're done arguing.
1. It's your case against your main suspect. And you want to drop it.
2. It was also the case that you stated that you wanted to drop it after somebody made a comment about that.

ZazieR · Post Post #872 (isolation #157) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:00 am

don_johnson wrote:considering it seems as though zaz's focus is going to be on the giant pointless "jester" debate i would have to say i am more inclined to lynch her than before. voting brothernature for active lurking, riding the vote for over twenty pages and then admitting that you were actively lurking is a bit saucy. you don't seem all that out of the loop here and i wonder just how much "catching up" you really have. whatever.

'Him'
Also, you need to look at what 'active lurking' means.

ZazieR · Post Post #873 (isolation #158) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:01 am

Raskol wrote:
unvote

vote: ZazieR

Kill it with fire.

Is this your response to my last post aimed at you?

ZazieR · Post Post #875 (isolation #159) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:07 am

Raskol wrote:
Mod: requesting to forcibly replace ZazieR. 8 days gone is over twice as long as the activity limit for forcible replacement.

Did you even read Post 868?

ZazieR · Post Post #876 (isolation #160) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:14 am

Also, forgot to ask

Bear

, you stated that you read the discussion between Confid and DRK. So how come you missed Confid's statements that DRK started the jester speculation, when this was the point of said discussion?
Also, you stated earlier you disagreed with Confid. So what happened?

ZazieR · Post Post #879 (isolation #161) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:17 am

'Active lurking' = When posting, posting nothing of substance.
See BN's posts for good examples.

Also, no, I have missed a lot and have no idea what has happened in the last pages. I'm now at Page 28.
Why do you think otherwise?

ZazieR · Post Post #881 (isolation #162) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:20 am

Raskol wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Raskol wrote:
Mod: requesting to forcibly replace ZazieR. 8 days gone is over twice as long as the activity limit for forcible replacement.
Did you even read Post 868?
That's my response to post 868. You need to be out of this game. Now.

The first quote and the statement of 'having read Post 868' don't go together.

ZazieR · Post Post #884 (isolation #163) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:40 am

Confid wrote:Bringing up an idea opens discussion for that idea, which is what you did.

I thought we were talking about DRK, not what Nook did.

Confid wrote:Hunting for a jester distracts from scumhunting, so starting a conversation about a jester is antitown in nature.

Uhm, no. That's not the reason. Because the jester argument gets used when somebody is acting very scummy that it seems he wants to be lynched. Hunting for a jester is good as it gets rid of a scummy looking player.