Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over

[Knight of Cydonia]

Jeez, 20 pages And already two replacements. I dunno, Lazy people on ms these days. Eh, in a lecture right now, so... Really, my big "Wot I Think" will be coming soon. Tonight. Anything I desperately need to know?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Right, I've just done my big Wot I Think for my other game, you guys are up for one tomorrow. Didn't remember voting EtherealCookie, musta been my predecessor. [/b]unvote[/b] Till I can read up.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Oh dear.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Mod: see sig, would prefer not to burden with further replacement, but if necessary, feel free.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Confid is about as town as it gets.

unvote

Because I have no idea why my predecessor voted Cookie yet, and I don't want to contribute to any stupid lynches.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yeah, bussing never happens in Mafia AT ALL.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I believe what ZazieR is, rather unsubtly, suggesting is that only scum don't suspect anyone, and that if you don't suspect anyone, you must be doing absolutely nothing during the day, and waiting for night. Which is a damn good point,

[Knight of Cydonia]

Cookie, i suggest you drop out of games other than this one. It's hard enough to keep things rolling here as-is.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, BigBear, and this is just what I got from my readthrough, but... didn't DRK start the Jester speculation? Because from what I read, DRK made a comment alluding to 3rd parties, then later clarified he was thinking of Jesters when making that comment. So... uhm... explain?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Just so everyone knows, that's L-2.

@IK
Can you think of any non-mafia motivations for EC's actions? I'm just looking for a yes or a no (I asked you specifically because your experience playing with me makes you more likely to figure out what I'm implying).

then, when nook mentioned a Jester by name, DRK said:

I have a wild speculation that he's a Jester out to get lynched as quickly as possible.

That's what I was trying to suggest to IK.

@IK
I thought you might pick up on the fact that I said "non-mafia motivations," when I normally use "scum" almost exclusively to refer to the mafia. By non-mafia, I was trying to imply third party (perhaps one that wanted to be lynched or accumlate votes).

So DRK here admits he was trying to stir up Jester speculation.
bada-bing.

[Knight of Cydonia]

don_johnson always brings in his "I always play differently to avoid generating a meta" crap when he's town, from my experience, interestingly.
So I think, what with the DRK jester-crap, for now, I will

Vote: DeathRowKitty

also.
Feel free to plead your case.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Actual evidence > that argument, which I did indeed read.

[Knight of Cydonia]

At the end of the day, all those fancy words don't hide the fact that you, not Nook, initiated Jester dialogue with IK. You brought it up first. No-one was even considering it before you said that to IK.
Bringing a Jester (a horrible role I have only ever used in Bastard setups offsite) into the game without any reason to do so, is scummy. Just 'cause you didn't say "Hey, IK, think this is a jester?" doesn't make it less scummy.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Bringing up a Jester = steering the town away from looking for scum, onto finding a hypothetical Jester that may not exist.
Bringing up a Jester = creating unnecessary speculation. This is the internet, we all mistrust each other enough as it is. Jester speculation begins all kinds of "should we really lynch him, he might WANT to be lynched" WIFOM.

Looker: your suspicions of me are based on what prior to my DRK vote, precisely? I see you took someone off your old scumlist because you were working on the assumption (not necessarily true by any stretch of imagination) that scum won't lynch scum, and I had unvoted them, but I never really saw any reason given beyond that. Feel free to point me to the massive case I totally missed, though, because right now it just looks like a chainsaw for DRK.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You said yourself that Confid was about as town as it gets.

Confid is about as town as it gets.

unvote

Because I have no idea why my predecessor voted Cookie yet, and I don't want to contribute to any stupid lynches.

Why not feel the same about DRK? Despite your insistence that Mafia vote other Mafia, do you not believe that Town can vote other Town?

Of course. The thing is, DRK isn't "just" discussing Jester speculation with CA, he's trying to make CA appear scummy by refusing to admit that he

did

bring up Jesters first, implied or no, and suggesting that CA is trying to make him the scapegoat for this. If he had been willing to hold up his hands and say "Yeah, I brought Jesters up, my bad, guys" I wouldn't find him as scummy. The way he's refusing to admit this, and the poor light he's trying to cast on myself and CA by way of this denial, is why I'm voting him. I have far more reason to trust CA than I do DRK.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Krer, I'll crossreplace into another game if you can find someone willing from another game.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote

because things have been made clearer to me. Don't like the way certain people tried to turn "voting DRK for starting jester speculation + contributing to it's continuance in the game" into "voting DRK because ur scum lol".
donj's play matches his meta of not having a meta.
I will be fairly inactive today, Mums' birthday, might be able to weigh in tomorrow.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote

[Knight of Cydonia]

Fairly sure about Looker as town now. dj's flip doesn't surprise me. DRK's cop fix is irksome. Don't like it, don't like him. Probably scum.

Vote: DRK

[Knight of Cydonia]

I still ain't telling you.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm gonna be honest, DRK - it's both.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Feels like Raskol is a big LyALu fan. Disagree on principle with a wagon on someone being replaced, though, and still think there's more to DRK's slip. Not voting at deadline isn't a scumtell, it's a nulltell on a lazy player who couldn't be arsed to read up. Picking BB over me based on wagon size suggests equal suspicion, just wanted one of us lynched, not too bothered who. But then, that ain't exactly good either. Hrm.
Waiting to see who replaces, what excuses they got.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Lynch All Lurkers - I say it like that to differentiate from LyALiars. Neither is a particularly good strategy.

On bolded - was referring to

Between KoC and BigBear I prefer lynching BigBear as he will leave the most connections behind and has been individually scummier on top of that, whereas my main point against KoC is his position on the wagon and his pushing of a weak anti-town-tell (jester spec) as sole reason for that vote. BigBear's got both of those plus extra.

IIRC, myself and BigBear had the same amount of votes at that point. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[Knight of Cydonia]

They are scummy, and they do bother me. I'd rather wait on a replacement than fastwagon him outta here, though.

[Knight of Cydonia]

His reasoning. "Connections" and "individually scummiest" with no explanation of what connections, or why he was scummiest, whereas he actually bothered to pick something he believed was scummy on me.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Hi I'm replacing Raskol. (And I'm not answering for anything he said. I stopped reading what he said because it was

torturous

.)

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

I don't like the way he waited until Bear threw his vote onto DRK to jump on the wagon. I don't like the way he gave meta excuses to ignore DJ, then said "dj's flip doesn't surprise me".

Bullshit. That vote was my first post of the day. Unless you

know

by some arcane means that I was lurking - which I wasn't. I didn't "give meta excuses" - I said he was fitting his meta of actively not playing to a meta. I later commented that he was looking more and more scummy.

Oh, and refusing to answer any of the many questions raised by Raskol's somewhat scummy play? Great. That's not scummy at all. ¬_¬

unvote; Vote eleven knives

[Knight of Cydonia]

Pro-lurker.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Gogo gadget bandwagon! ¬_¬

[Knight of Cydonia]

This game is dying because questions like ^^^ ain't getting answered.

[Knight of Cydonia]

A'ight, I'm here. Birthday weekend, then a shitload of college work.

- KoC Town VS Sanjay Town: The way I feel about this situation is that, though one may be more useful than the other, they're still both town so I'd refrain from lynching either one; however, this is under the assumption that they are town, under which I am currently not. Sanjay is Mafia and KoC has a shot at being his partner.

Care to explain why I "have a shot" at being Sanjay's partner?

- I wouldn't say interested in per se; however, if no one is willing to lynch you, then lynching Furry would give us a 1/3 shot of hitting your partner, whom I believe to be of Furry, Eleven, and KoC. I'm currently leaning KoC, though, so I'd rather lynch him (as of now) over Furry; however, I'm not moving my vote from you to do either so all of this is speculation. I just like having a backup plan in case you pull a magic trick or something, y'know?

So what, your plan is to lynch these three, then hope you're right? Niiice.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Town or scum, he's the best lynch today

So, you don't care what you lynch, just that you lynch? Geez. If your buddy eleven wasn't so obvious after Raskol antics, plus what little he's done today, I'd vote you.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Oh, that's a good one.
I see no reason to wasste my time on such a benighted, easily lead town. I will claim if/when it is necessary, but until that time comes, frankly, you can all go to hell.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If it's him or me, I know which one I prefer.

unvote; Vote Sanjay

[Knight of Cydonia]

Still prefer Sanjay to any other vote. DKU is close behind, though.
Do not appreciate current mentality of town, which seems to be "If SJ is scum, KoC is bussing scum... if SJ is town, KoC is still scum." Seems like certain people have already decided they want me lynched, regardless of alignment. These people should be watched.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Scum fake-claiming cop to draw real cop out, hasn't read, didn't realise cop was dead.

unvote, vote danakillsu

[Knight of Cydonia]

I like hammering.