archaebob's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2012502#2012502]Post 1596[/url] wrote:looker, if you don't try and justify yourself, my suspicions will be moving to you extremely rapidly. I need to be able to explain your position from a pro-town mindset. right now I can't do that. trying to convince me is not going to insult my intelligence, but thinking you can get away with glib inserts like your last post
does
.
please, i am asking nicely. convince me that sanjay is scum.
I didn't mean to insult you, archaebob. I forgot I was playing Mafia and that cases are what this game is about and why I love it so much. My apologies.
Sanjay's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2012512#2012512]Post 1597[/url] wrote:I know you did, Looker, and I'm sorry it didn't work out. If it makes you feel any better, you are very likely going to get your wish today.
semioldguy is likely scum because:
1) Him busting in yesterday after the lynch trying to cast blame on everyone seemed to imply to me he had foreknowledge of danakillsu's alignment. As far as I could tell, semioldguy was the only one who wasn't interested in the DKU case (Well, neither was KoC, but that's understandable).
2) He thinks I am scummy for not wanting to vote for DJ because I thought he was a townie playing anti-town and yet is totally comfortable assuming DKU was a townie being anti-town. I don't understand the inconsistency.
3) His ducking out when I asked him what he thought of DKU's reasons for lynching me and popping back in after the lynch was ridiculous and he had plenty of time to stop in here at some point.
4) His reasons for not wanting to explain his reasons for voting me baffle me, and have not been consistent. This new "I'm not going to explain myself until someone else seems interested in the reasons" thing is entirely brand new and wasn't there yesterday.
5) This somewhat repeats some of my previous points, but I don't understand where semioldguy's reads are coming from. He's the only one who wasn't at least interested in the DKU case. He had a gut scum read on me
before
he even read the end of day 1, something that really doesn't happen very much, regardless of my alignment.
1) I would hope that he
was
bussing; he's been on scumwagons the past few days. DJ for Day 1 and you for Day 2 & hopefully Day 3.
2) Hypocrisy, though distasteful, is not necessarily a scumtell. I can see this as a valid reason, though, seeing as you know not whether the motivation for said hypocrisy is derived from scumminess or a superiority complex.
3)
Did
he stop in? As in, posted but did not address the situation? If not, and if he didn't post in any other of his games, I can't see how you can state whether or not he had time to do so.
4) That's how I did you in my
Post 1112.
5) I don't understand this point.
Looker's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1983282#1983282]Post 1112[/url] wrote:Sanjay's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1982259#1982259]Post 1105[/url] wrote:The thing is, Looker, you're probably not going to get support to your wagon the way you are playing right now. People with a mafia win condition have been mafia all game. Looking at the Don_Johnson lynch is definitely a great start, but if you want to really push the lynch, you have to look at the rest of the game too.
See if you can find stuff that confirms your suspicions. Make sure you don't see stuff that diminishes your suspicions. Present that to the town. Or you could just demand people get on your wagon and hope for the best. Either way, you'll be driving a bandwagon in no time. Choo chooo!
Are you suspicious of KoC, Furry and Eleven based on the fact that Furry was late to the DJ lynch and KoC and Eleven weren't on it? If so, why aren't you suspicious of BigBear and archaebob?
People tend to appreciate things more when they have to ask for it, so I didn't just want to throw a case out there and have it looked over. Much more satisfying to ramble on until someone asks me to get to the point.
- As far as I know, neither you, Raskol, KoC, or Furry were on the DJ wagon at the time of the lynch.
- I believe your vote on BigBear was a distraction gambit
- I'd be fine assessing the bandwagons of either lynch (KoC or Eleven), to see which implications may arise
*Let it be known that I'm not scolding or criticizing play, but that I'm just showing you the things which brought me to my conclusion, even if it is a rather limited perspective.
- Archaebob and Shrine are fine, implications can be drawn from their votes and bussing maneuvers get you brownie points in my book. The only thing I wish we had at the moment but am not actually rushing the players to procure are votes from Semioldguy, our newest replacement (thank you), and havingfitz, our second newest replacement (thank you, as well).
- Interestingly enough, the only two remaining of these four are Sanjay and Furry
- Whether it was a bus or a gambit, I don't know; however, it did distract from the DJ wagon, just as Furry's DKU wagon distracted from/deflected the Sanjay wagon.
- As far as assessing bandwagons and deaths. Why is Sanjay still alive? He has not suspected me, therefore, his death wouldn't look bad on me at all; however, if
I
were to be NK'd, it would reflect poorly on him seeing as I've suspected him, DJ, and Furry from the very beginning. [/WIFOM]
*
- I still endorse the notion that votes are our biggest leads. It's how scum win the game, and, if we can assess this, I believe we can come to solid, valuable conclusions.
Looker's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1982219#1982219]Post 1104[/url] wrote:Sorry if I seem persistent and pointless, but I came to this conclusion about six or seven pages ago.
I still suspect Sanjay as Don_Johnson's partner; however, I suspect one of KoC, Furry, or Eleven to be the remaining member of the Mafia. Just throwing it out there, feel free to shoot it down.
[FLashback: "That's...actually a good idea..." -ConfidAnon]
- Just throwing it out there: No one ever shot this down.
Player Name ---> (What are your reads on this player)
BigBear ---> DeathRowKitty
DeathRowKitty ---> BigBear
Archaebob ---> Semioldguy
Archaebob ---> Havingfitz
Semioldguy ---> Archaebob
Semioldguy ---> Havingfitz
Havingfitz ---> Semioldguy
Havingfitz ---> Archaebob
Furry ---> Sanjay
Sanjay ---> Furry