Mini 915 - Murder in Murder Free Village (Over)

[danakillsu]

vote:Haschel Cedricson

for voting for reasons unknown to the other players.

[danakillsu]

Anyhoo, question for danakillsu: Would you care to tell us why My Milked Eek voted for DeeJayCee?

That's a very shrewd question. If I say I don't know, which is true, you will say that I have just as much reason to vote for him as for you. But the fact is, you claim to have reasons for your vote unknown to the other players. My Milked Eek did not claim any reason for his first vote when he made it. That being said, I'll

unvote

because it was a completely random vote.

[danakillsu]

Yep.

vote:DJC

for three reasons.
1)His vote for Flareonage for self-preservation
2)His nervousness
3)I want to see him claim

[danakillsu]

Why not? If that's a problem for people, I can take it back off. But I think he's the right vote.

[danakillsu]

Obviously, I mean the right vote for now. And I think it's weird that you and I are having two different conversations at the same time.

[danakillsu]

But you do agree that you don't have a lot of solid evidence to stand on?

Yep. I do. I also think that Nicodemus is right. My vote for DJC has gotten the wrong reactions for him to be scum.

unvote

Unvote Flareonage, Vote Danakillsu

Just a bit of an OMGUS here?

vote: Haschel Cedricson

for claiming that we're out of the RVS.

[danakillsu]

The willingness to change her views based on what other players think is also incredibly scummy.

Her?!!!
Ouch. I'm a man. Come on people. My vote on Haschel Cedricson was a protest against leaving the RVS! It was a random vote that was supposed to show that we were still random voting. And just because I agree with someone's reasoning doesn't mean I'm blindly following them.

[danakillsu]

A player who cares so much what the other players think is very likely to be scum in my opinion.

Why? I don't think your arguments in favor of voting for me amount to much. I agree I shouldn't have asked for a claim on page 2. But everyone else wants to leave the RVS on page 3, so there is a general feeling of hurry in this game. A little nervousness, maybe a little unoriginality is all you have on me.

[danakillsu]

What two conversations are you having? Can scum daytalk?

Sigh. No. We're in another game together and we were talking to each other in both games at the same time.

Post 60 my Dana makes me think there's no way he's town.

Is that because I unvoted and voted someone else, or for another reason?

[danakillsu]

You ignored a direct question from me in post 61. Why do you think it helps the town to remain in the the random voting stage?

Um. No I didn't ignore it. This post was meant to answer that.

It was a random vote that was supposed to show that we were still random voting.

In other words, yes I think we are not yet out of the RVS. And what really confuses me is this extra question. Is it supposed to be separate? I'll just answer it. I do think the RVS helps town more than mafia, but I do not think that staying in the RVS forever helps town.

[danakillsu]

Sorry. But then again, you didn't acknowledge that I did answer your post 61 question. I think the RVS helps town more the mafia because it provides a basis for which to start seriously voting. It doesn't help town to stay in the RVS

forever

because it doesn't identify on its own the scummiest people in the game.

[danakillsu]

So scum can't daytalk?

I don't know the answer to that question.

[danakillsu]

Also, you don't seem to be doing any favors for yourself going on about daytalking scum. Care to elaborate?

I don't get this. Sorry for talking about another game. That wasn't a good idea. But all this stuff about daytalking scum makes no sense to me. Stop asking me about it.

[danakillsu]

My vote is a carry-over from what was (sort of) the RVS, so

unvote

. The most striking non-contribution posing as a great scumhunt would be NS. Whether that makes him scum, I'm not sure. I'm going to read this thread again. Expect more content around 1:00.

[danakillsu]

The things that most stick out to me are that NS is actively lurking, and that he changed a half-baked opinion to a vote with no more material to base it on

vote: Nobody Special

Danakillsu needs moar votes.

Nobody special isn't really looking too good to me either. I never liek the whole "I have reasons but im not telling you" thing. I have been in a few games where players have used this excuse. It usually results in either:

1. They are scum. They have no reasoning apart from wishing a quick lynch
2. They are town pulling a complicated scumhunt technique off.

However even the second is quite anti-town, all the times I have seen town try complicated traps it hasn't really worked that well, just fostered mistrust and hurt the town. Therefore I'm not liking NS at the minute.

Okay, there's something off here. Your reason for voting for me is that I look nervous for changing my vote when someone disagreed with me. Your reason for saying NS is likely scum is that his reasons are unrevealed. As you point out, NS cannot help town with his methods. I don't really see why you are calling for more votes on me when NS is the one who cannot help town.

[danakillsu]

Alright, just did a quick read, some thoughts as I read so far:

Darkstrike, DeeJayCee, Haschel Cedricson, and Nicodemus are possibly town.

Dana - Why did you want to stick with the RVS for so long? The purpose of this is to start discussion, and there was certaintly plenty of discussion going on. I can't see any reasons why a pro-town player would want to extend the RVS longer than required. You also asked for a claim on DJC WAAAY to early, and you've been generally flip-floppy throughout the game.

Apparently that's all you did. I have already been asked about the RVS thing. I find it suspicious when people want to leave it too soon.

[danakillsu]

That's an illogical suspicion though... and "too soon" differs from person to person and game to game... in a 12p game, most would agree that by mid or end page two the RVS should be over.

This was also essentially already stated. Kyle, just read the thread fully.

[danakillsu]

NS shouldn't claim unless someone not voting for him asks him to.

Agreed.

Also, no one should hammer without asking for a claim.

Also agreed, although I don't think we'll glean much from a claim.

[danakillsu]

No need to speed things up unnecessarily.

I don't think that my asking for a claim could be seen as an attempt to hurry things along. Why? Because even when NS claimed, it didn't speed things up at all. A whole page later and we haven't really gotten any closer to the end of the day. I think NS is lying. It's half-gut, half the idea that maybe he did it because of what I said:

Also agreed, although I don't think we'll glean much from a claim.

[danakillsu]

Do you always employ such shoddy reasoning? Just because someone has claimed now after a solid case has been put forward on him does not mean that you are cleared for asking for a claim on page 2. Trying to force a claim when we are just coming out of the RVS (and half of the votes on the player in question are random votes) =/= a claim when a player is at L-1 due to scummy actions, and it's silly of you to suggest such a thing.
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No, do you? This has nothing to do with what I said. Absolutely nothing. I'm saying that my asking for a claim was not an attempt to hurry things along, not that it wasn't a dumb thing to do. And my using of the recent claim is just an example, not a justification. Do you understand what I'm saying now?

[danakillsu]

I think someone needs to hammer before NS manages to slip away.

Yeah, and that's looking like it's going to happen. Come on people. He's lurking the heck outta this game.

[danakillsu]

knew Haschel was suspicious.

[danakillsu]

And kyle, you're a terrible vig.

[danakillsu]

well, yeah sort of. but I get my games messed up by other people with power roles too often.