Mini 973: "Bawhston" Brawl (WHAT A WIN!)

[Nikanor]

Vote: Gwynplaine.

Obvious scum is obvious. He's being waaaaay too aggressive at this stage in the game to be town.
I don't know why talking about Hoopla's claim is such a big deal. Simply don't target her at night.

[Nikanor]

Well Mr. Hijinx, I believe that scumhunting (or townhunting, in my case) is more reliable than investigative roles anyway.
I don't see why a PGO should have an effect on our day play anyway.

[Nikanor]

Not really.

[Nikanor]

Townhunting is like scumhunting, except you hunt for town.
Except that I don't really "hunt" actively. I just kind of call people town and lynch based on process of elimination.

[Nikanor]

WTF is with the Hoopla wagon? Are we all taking crack now?

Unvote. Vote: havingfitz.

These bandwagon hoppers need to go. Also, havingfitz accuses Furry of bullshitting, which should be considered scummy by any player, but doesn't vote for Furry, and sticks with a Hoopla vote for reasons I will never fully understand.

[Nikanor]

Slepz, I don't think you've actually explained to us

how

a PGO is risky to the town. Care to do so now?

[Nikanor]

I'll just start by saying that I like Oso's vote, but think that he probably has too much time on his hands to write that much. Note that me liking Oso's vote doesn't mean that I think RH is scum; on the contrary, I'm getting gut town vibes from him.

WTF is the problem with a Hoopla wagon? If people suspect her they should vote her. And why say bandwagon hoppers need to go immediately after hopping on my bandwagon...do you need to go? Furry's 'case' on me does make me a little leery of him but not enough to move my vote.

WTF is wrong with a havingfitz wagon?

Liking his play so far - it's been minimal, but he's raised decent points each time, and also doesn't fit in with my theory of scum being open to or pushing a policy lynch on me. Probably town from my perspective.

Why thank you.

q21's vote looks bandwagonny (and not the good kind of shameless bandwagonning that town does). I imagine that if q21 is scum, RH is probably town.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor - Doesn't there have to be a badwagon for a vote to be bandwagonny? One vote does not a bandwagon make, two votes barely does. Please explain how it is that you consider my vote bandwagonny in a bad way.

It's opportunistic.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor....nothin is wrong with a havingfitz BW if there are valid reasons (which I do not think there are). My point was you called out people for bandwagonning in the same post in which you yourself jump on my bandwagon. That seems a bit a contradiction...which I find suspcious.

What opportunity was I scummily taking advantage of?

Oso's case & vote. It looked like you were trying to get on a wagon early.

Nikanor - this looks awfully wishy-washy, if that's the right word. "I like Oso's post, OH BUT I DON'T THINK RH IS SCUM NO SIR". Seems a bit of a pre-emptive defense? Eh, other than this, nothing else has caught my eye on Nik.

No, it's because although I think Oso is town from his analysis, I think that his vote is on town. Like, you know that feeling where you just know that it's two townies going at it in a big argument? That's how I feel about them. That Oso and RH are both town.

I'm waiting to Nikanor to appear and call Pie's RH vote an opportunistic bandwagon vote.

But I like him. I think he's town, so I'm not going to waste my time attacking him.

And why is that Reckoner; because to me it seems either lazy or scummy... or possibly both.

About that... I'm actually fairly sure that Reck is town as well. Sorry.

Unvote. Vote: Slepz.

Because a) I don't want symmetry in a mafia game. It's just bad.
and b) Slepz is lurking, which is scummy.

[Nikanor]

Oops, forgot to respond to the first bit by fitz. What I meant to say was that if fitz finds me suspicious, he should make it more clear in the wording of his posts. I've never once caught a vibe that fitz found me suspicious until he said it outright.
Also, here I must include the necessary "If you think I'm suspicious then vote me biatch."

[Nikanor]

Inflataman? <_<

I get what you're saying, it just seemed odd to throw in a comment on RH when I was reading over it. In addition, I disagree with the feeling that RH is town for now. Why do you think he's town again?

a) Yep, inflataman.
b) Mostly gut. Do you object to my read on RH?

[Nikanor]

Can I join?

[Nikanor]

I've tried that before. It doesn't work.

[Nikanor]

I only work by process of elimination now.

Nikanor
q21
Hoopla
Oso
xRECKONERx
Slepz
TheButtonmen Radical Hijinx
havingfitz
Furry
JacobSavage
Gwynplaine
InflatablePie

q21
Slepz
havingfitz
JacobSavage
Gwynplaine

Three of those five are scum. I suggest we lynch some of them and see where it gets us.

[Nikanor]

^5 then.

[Nikanor]

No, I don't mind. Nika works too, although I prefer Nik.

[Nikanor]

How is that following my lead even remotely? Three of your five scum reads coincide with my town reads.

[Nikanor]

Because you're the only one distancing from him, obv.
I think we can happily lynch Slepz now.
q21: RH's isos 1 and 2 come across as town-like enough for me to stop reading him in iso, and I think that's enough.

[Nikanor]

Three more votes on Slepzlurkerscum.
Gwynplaine, would you be opposed to changing your vote over to Slepz today?
fitz, how about this: I'll answer your question when you vote Slepz. Sound fair?

[Nikanor]

Slepz is lurking. So he needs to die. End of story.
Vote Slepz for Mafioso 2010.

[Nikanor]

You are aware he's V/LA right?

...
No, I actually wasn't.


DIE SLEPZ DIE ANYWAY. The May long weekend ended on Monday. Why aren't you back yet?

[Nikanor]

Nik asking certain people to switch their vote is a bit odd. Makes me sad that I didn't get an invitation either. I feel like that weirdo kid in high school that's really quiet and no one likes him or talks to him and he doesn't get a heads-up on the parties going on even though he wouldn't really mind going... which I was, but that's not the point.

I asked the people I think are scummy for a reason. Right now it looks like Gwynplaine's vote is bussing.
And I hate to admit it, but I think fitz's response is townish.

[Nikanor]

Jacob, let's compromise. If Slepz flips town I'll help you lynch Reck tomorrow. Sound good?

[Nikanor]

Lynching someone he thinks is town. Time to lynch him, like now. Seriously.

I've placed Reck among my top town reads, yet I've cut a deal to see my top scum read lynched. Not only that, but I'm now guilty of setting up lynches, which is about the scummiest thing one can do.
What makes Jacob different from me? Is it that most people seem to have at least a neutral, if not town read on me?
Don't answer those questions; they're rhetorical. What I want to know is why you're attacking Jacob and not myself.

[Nikanor]

Jacob, would you be willing to kill Hoopla tonight?

[Nikanor]

It's probably worth noting that Nikanor was the first to suggest that JacobSavage kill Hoopla, which is really only a good idea if you think she's lying or don't know how the PGO works. He's never voiced an opinion on Hoopla's claim one way or the other, but she was on his list of "town reads" in iso 13. Probably, like Oso and InflatablePie, he was just unclear on the mechanics.

No, I know exactly how a PGO works. It's a reflex vigilante. I wanted him to shoot Hoopla because I don't believe that we have both a vigilante and a reflex vigilante in a normal game. Either Hoopla is lying and needs to die, or Jacob is lying and needs to die. If Hoopla is lying, Jacob killing Hoopla would be good. If Jacob is lying, Jacob killing Hoopla would be good.
Jacob, what do you think? Would you rather shoot Hoopla or yourself tonight?
Also, I'm required to point out that TBM is assuming that Jacob actually is a vig.

[Nikanor]

Oh fine then.

Unvote. Vote: JacobSavage.

[Nikanor]

Aw.
Poor Reck. And he was so townie, too.
Uhhh,

Vote: dsister.

[Nikanor]

@Nikanor: I wonder who said that quote in your sig... >_>

Hehehe, I wonder!

I find the case on IP weak.

dsister needs to post something soon~.

[Nikanor]

Aw, I got voted by q21. How cute.

And lets not forget the bargain he tried to make with JS.

No, I won't forget. I'm going to remember that as the most ridiculous way to catch scum ever.

q21: I have a burning desire to lynch Slepz because I like lynching lurkers. There's no way to get a read off them other than by lynching them. And if we show scum that lurking isn't safe on day one, then maybe they'll actually be active for a change, unlike every other game which seems to have the scum lurking to victory.

[Nikanor]

Furry: Take a look at the wiki.

[Nikanor]

(I'll post more tonight, granted the site doesn't stop working again...)

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:54 pm

Yes, I consider dsister a lurker.
Furry: If you'd like, take a look at all my town games. The only thing that is really consistent is that I lurk as scum more than I lurk as town. That's part of why I like lynching lurkers so much.

[Nikanor]

If someone puts TBM at L-1 I'll hammer.

[Nikanor]

I said I'd hammer TBM because a) Hoopla was upset and I wanted to make her feel better and b) I have this weird tendency to be wrong most of the time. I figure that if the majority wants it, I can go with a Buttonlynch.

Also, I'd like TBM to claim.

Unvote.

The worrying about OMGUSing is something Midnight does as town. I see no reason to keep a vote on someone who won't be lynched anyway.

[Nikanor]

Except that hammering someone without giving your own reasons is considered scummy by most people, TBM. I know that much. I like to think that I'm not completely incompetent.
Maybe I was saying exactly what I was saying.

And Midnight seems more townish to me anyway. Now all he has to do is vote for scum today and I'm set with a town read on him.

[Nikanor]

I SPY A HAMMAH.

TBM, please claim in your next post.

[Nikanor]

That was a rather scummy post, havingfitz.
I'm still going to wait for TBM to claim before I hammer.

[Nikanor]

I'll post something after fitz posts something.

[Nikanor]

Okay. NOW I'm going to hammer.

Vote: TheButtonmen.

[Nikanor]

I take it that means you're town?

[Nikanor]

In that case no thanks. I'll have mine answered by the mod soon enough and that won't take nearly as much work.

[Nikanor]

I guess so. I still wouldn't be too opposed to his lynch.

[Nikanor]

I can't read him. The OMGUS thing is messing with my head.

[Nikanor]

Uggh.
yabba: Yes I saw everyone who received the PM. You have to use BCC now to get that same effect.

Hoopla, you said something yesterday about the possibility of three mafia. Do you still believe that now?

[Nikanor]

TBM had his chance to claim. He didn't. Stalling on claims is scummy in my opinion.

MS, how do you think we should go about doing well without doing a massclaim?

[Nikanor]

Oh, and I don't really care if we MC today or not. I doubt anyone has any game-breaking information, or they would have come out with it already.

[Nikanor]

Well I'm just going to claim right now, since I'm probably going to be pushed to L-1 eventually anyway.
I'm a cop. I got a town result on q21 night one and no result on havingfitz last night.

[Nikanor]

q21 was scummy, and I figured he'd be the best "confirmed townie," so to speak, because he has the capacity for usefulness.

[Nikanor]

q21 is town, unless I'm insane. I suppose there is a mafia roleblocker who blocked me last night, meaning there shouldn't be a mafia godfather unless the town is overpowered.

[Nikanor]

Oh, I forgot where I was going with that.
Basically, if we're MCing, I don't think that q21 should claim.

[Nikanor]

And Oso races onto Nikanor's suspicion list at the speed of light!

I think that Gwynplaine is the most likely candidate to have picked up my coptells and roleblocked me.

Vote: Gwynplaine.

[Nikanor]

GUYS.
I GOT A RESULT ON MIDNIGHT'S SORROW LAST NIGHT.
HE'S A NO!
Yeah, the mod gave me a result of no on MS. Isn't that great?

[Nikanor]

Vote: havingfitz.

Why not?
We're probably looking at a scumteam of uno now.

[Nikanor]

No, there is no reason to think that, Oso.
I got a "result" of "no" on MS.

[Nikanor]

MS

is

still a viable suspect. I got no result when I tried to inspect MS.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, same stuff. I'm pretty sure I was blocked both times.

[Nikanor]

Well I guess I HAVE to trust you now, Hoopla.

Unvote.

I think there's only one scum left.

[Nikanor]

No lynch is bad. I enjoy living.

[Nikanor]

Oh man I got prodded.
I don't think the IP lynch "needs to happen". Why do you think that, MS?

[Nikanor]

Sorry, I'm here.

I don't see how fitz and Oso can be scum together. They've been voting together for practically the entire game. If they are scum together, I'm going to be seriously weirded out by the cross-buddying they've been doing all game.
Another thing that would really freak me out would be if Oso and MS are both town, because that would mean that Gwyn was lynched by a wagon full of townies.

This day looks like its conclusion has already been determined anyway, so I have no reason to draw out this day any longer, even though I feel kind of dickish dropping out of nowhere after being prodded to drop a hammer.
OH WELL. HERE GOES NOTHING.

Vote: Oso.

[Nikanor]

Ohhh, that sounds like a scum flip!
*Gets all giddy*

[Nikanor]

Nooooooooo.
So you're town?

[Nikanor]

Damn you ghosts. You always make noise when I'm trying to sleep, but when I actually want you to say something you're silent! So unreliable.

[Nikanor]

TBM: You waited to claim. I see that as a scum-tell, but I should probably change that to a scum/vanilla-tell.

In my forty or so games, this is the first time I've been an investigative role. I think I did not bad.
Hoopla: You were mostly confirmed town for being the only other power role when a roleblocker was known to exist.
Pieguy: I think that you should have left me alive and killed MS on the night you killed me.
yabba: Thank you for another excellently modded game.