Mini 234: Astuto-Umore (Finished!)

[Mr Stoofer]

Mod: will roles and alignment be revealed on death? Can we assume that Coron was a plain townie since no other info was given?

And

vote: Kerplunk

.

[Mr Stoofer]

Why is the first vote of a game always on me?

I voted for you because I like the sound of the word

Ker-PLUNK

. Can't speak for anyone else.

[Mr Stoofer]

Hmmm...

Everyon seems to be playing their cards fairly close to their chests for now. I don't smell anything specially scummy with the currently developing bandwagons, but that may just be because my scumdar is broken.

[Mr Stoofer]

Phoebus, which post was that refrring to? Mine or Kerplunk's?

[Mr Stoofer]

Seriously,

unvote: Stoofer

,

vote: CA

. More a feeling, but his last post seems to me like scum trying to add something trivial to the discussion: "Safe to say he's not a vigilante." And I also don't think he is a cop, doc, tracker, etc. Why would you say he isn't a vig?

I thought that this post of Kerplunk was scummy -- CA was obviously making a joke. Kerplunk seemed to be suggesting that it was something more serious. Looked to me like Kerplunk was looking too hard for a reason to vote.

I see also that Phoebus agreed with him. . I don't know Kerplunk well but I find it hard to believe that Phoebius could honestly find CA's post scummy. It was so obvisouly early game banter and Phoebus surely would have recognised it as such.

Unvote: Nightfall, vote: Phoebus

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[Mr Stoofer]

Save me, Mr Stoofer! None of these jokers have played in a game with me before. Tell them I'm always worthless for stating anything except the obvious!

Well I'm not sure I could save you if I wanted to.

I

still

don't understand how CA now has 5 (I think) votes. It seems to be related to his statement that Coron was probabbly not killed by a vig, because vigs don't usually kill night 1. This has me scratching my head because vigs don't usually kill night 1 (unless they're idiots). So I don't see how stating that fact (which CA rightly categorised as "obvious") makes him scummy.

I'm obviously missing something.

[Mr Stoofer]

In my experiences, town are so paranoid that they are going to notice these little things and blow them out of proportion, but most of the time they are just misunderstandings. Meanwhile scum sit back and just randomly add thoughts, but don't actually take a side until the town has come to a decision. Kinda like I'm doing right now... oops!

This is what I think is happening.

[Mr Stoofer]

you have a better idea for doing stuff on day one?

And if that is directed at me, my idea is to lynch the guy who I think is reaching too hard to find scumminess in harmless posts. That would be you.

[Mr Stoofer]

Fishbulb, I think you may have misunderstood me. The "you" in my post 69 was Phoebus, not Fishbulb.

[Mr Stoofer]

To Fishbulb: I have just read your post 70 again and you are right - I had misunderstood your post 48 (which I quoted in post 65). Sorry.

[Mr Stoofer]

My thoughts:

1

. I'm losing enthusiasm for my vote on Phoebus because he is at least contributing; unlike several lurkers.

Unvote Phoebus

but IGMEOY

2

. Having said that, Phoebus could you explain this:

The even bigger assumption is that there is at all a vig. Since no vig would announce themselves day one, this could loosely fit the criteria for fishing. Anyone vehemently denying/opposing a vig kill becomes suspect for scum.

Who (if anyone) has "assumed that there is a vig" or "vehemently denyied/opposed a vig kill"?

3

. Olio has only posted once and did little except associate himself with the growing CA bandwagon,

without giving reasons

. I think the CA bandwagon is weak and so I find this sort of behaviour suspicious.

Vote Olio

4

. Dragyn_mage is exhibiting classic lurking behavious as has been pointed out.

FOS dragyn_mage

[Mr Stoofer]

To Phoebus: I understand what you say. But I don't see anything in CA's posting which assumes that there is a vig. Saying that a vig did not kill Coron does not assume that there is a viog. It is neutral.

So you interpreting CA as though he did make such an assumption makes me suspicious of you.

[Mr Stoofer]

I think you are dead Commodore. If there is anything you can say that will help the town please say it. If you are scum, please die like the dog that you are.

[Mr Stoofer]

If there is anything you can say that will help the town please say it.

[Mr Stoofer]

With 5 people crossing night 1, its plain that it is not just scum who cross the bridge each noight. So I don't think that the fact that Phoebus crossed the bridge is evidence against him (without more).

[Mr Stoofer]

Agree with Fishbulb.

Olio was the one who I was worried about yesterday for lurking and the half-hearted association with CA's bandwagon. My suspicion is unabated by the fact that CA turned out to be scum. Olio's single post today also looks suspicious - what good can it do the town for Fritzler to reval which living players have power roles which involve going to see other people? Are you trying to find out who the doc is?

[Mr Stoofer]

dargyn_mage, Fritzler's claim was detailed and credible, given what he said and did on day 1.

If you don't believe him because of specific information that you have, I am afraid that you are going to have to share it with us, given the above.

If it is just "gut reaction" please tell us.

[Mr Stoofer]

Stoofer, from that I derive following question: why you don't want night one crossers to be revealed?

I find it hard to believe that you don't know the answer to this question and the fact that you asked it increases my suspicion of you.

The answer is: Because there is a good chance that some of the useful pro-town power roles (some investigative roles, docs) will be crossers. I don't want the scum to know who they are.

[Mr Stoofer]

An olio bandwagon is something I can happily join. Finally someone agrees with me in this game!

Vote: olio

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[Mr Stoofer]

I had thought of that olio, I just didn't want to broadcast the fact to the scum in case they'd missed it. But now you've told your scum buddies.

Happy with my vote

[Mr Stoofer]

Olio: If you are lynched today you won't be able to speak to your scum buddies tonight.

Kerplunk: I have posted more than once that I find olio suspicious. I was the

first

person in this game to cast suspicion on him. To describe my vote for him as merely "hopping on the bandwagon" is a travesty.

[Mr Stoofer]

Still happy with my vote but I am very worried about dragyn_mage. I simply can't understand how dragyn_ mage's gut could have concluded that Fritzler was lying. Everything in his story hung together, not least the fact that he appears to have caught CA in a lie about having no nighchoice (and he specifically said, when voting CA, "Hmm, lies."). I'd have no trouble joining a dragyn_mage lynch today.

[Mr Stoofer]

The way my PM is worded, it sounded like the mafia was on one island and the town on another.

I missed that bit of dragyn_mage's post until Fishbulb pointed it out.

unvote: olio
vote: draygn_mage

[Mr Stoofer]

But here's what I know. Mafia on one side, town on the other.

In light of the subsequent discussion, I have to ask what is the status of this "knowledge" now, Fishbulb?

[Mr Stoofer]

I still think olio is scum.

Vote: Olio

[Mr Stoofer]

No time for a long post. Main points against Olio:

1. Lurking. Plus his one post on day 1 looked like he wanted to be associated with the growing CA bandwagon without voting him.

2. Voted Fritzler (we lynched draygn_mage for this).

3. "Outing" Phoebus as the doc in post 130. He may have been wrong on this, but it was a scummy thing to do. Phoebus was not under pressure.

[Mr Stoofer]

Clarifications of my points in light of the above.

2. We lynched dragyn_mage for voting Fritzler. You (olio) voted Fritzler. You do the math.

3. I do not think Phoebus is a doc. You (olio) expressed the view on day 2 that Phoebus was the doc. That was scummy.

[Mr Stoofer]

We lynched dragyn_mage for voting Fritzler. You (olio) voted Fritzler. You do the math.

I don't get this. dragyn_mage wasn't scum, so how does that implicate olio? Are we supposed to vote everyone who voted for Fritzler?

My point was: we all thought it was suspicious when draygn_mage voted for Fritzler, so by the same logic we should think it i suspicious that olio voted him.

Where are Yosarian2 and Kerplunk? Why are they posting in other threads and not here?

[Mr Stoofer]

Kerplunk, your case is not unreasonable - I quite see why I am suspicious, mainly because I was against the lynch of CA (mafia) and in favour of the lynch of draygn_mage (townie). In the case of CA, I genuinely believe that we got lucky, and in the case of draygn_mage, I think everyone would agree that he had done enough to make him look scummy.

As to your 5 points:

1. Of course I see your point. All I can say is that I didn't think he was scummy at the time.

2. I think olio has been acting scummy and I've given my reasons. Not much more I can say to defend myself unless/until we know his alignment.

3. Actually, I typed the first 2 sentences of that quotation because once he reached the lynching vote I still thought he was town. I added the third sentence at the end because I was worried that if he turned up scum, people would say that I was still trying to save him. It was a stupid thing for me to say.

4. A weak point, as I think you acknowledge. There was plenty of reason to suspect draygn_mage.

5. ~shrug~

As to your last point: I've been scum in 2 games: Mini 178 and Mini 229. IIRC, I have never, ever made a single post defending one of my scum buddies. [I'm not counting 1 game as an SK - no scum buddies - or 1 game on the GL - died night 1.]

[Mr Stoofer]

As to your last point: I've been scum in 2 games: Mini 178 and Mini 229. IIRC, I have never, ever made a single post defending one of my scum buddies.

Always the scummiest answer, in my opinion.

Kerplunk had specifically raised the issue of my previous games:

Things that speak in favor of Mr Stoofer: Saying over and over that CA isn't scummy on Day 1. It could be very well that from experience, that you won't get lynched by overly defending scum.

It was not scummy of me to respond to that. It is scummy of you to pretend that it was.

The fact that I'm getting voted for pursuing olio makes me more confident in my vote.

[Mr Stoofer]

Yea, major FOS on the stooferizzle, you want to claim?

Not especially, no.

[Mr Stoofer]

Would you rather be lynched?

Not especially, no.

[Mr Stoofer]

I am

Gino di Cuoco

, I own a small tavern in Umore.

Each night, I can select a player and the next day I watch their eating habits. I get the result the following night.

My choices:
Night 1: I watch Fritzler.
Night 2: Fritzler didn't come into the tavern. I watch olio.
Night 3: olio ordered a nice plate of spaghetti. I watch Phoebus.

The fact that Fritzler didn't come into the restuarant matches his claimed role perfectly. That is why I've been ready to vote anyone who votes for him.

[Mr Stoofer]

Can you think of any reason why you would order spaghetti?

Yep. He lies.

I think the expression I am looking for is:

O RLY!

Why don't you explain why you think I'm lying?

[Mr Stoofer]

OK, olio is dead and I am super-suspicous of Coolbot for that last post.

[Mr Stoofer]

Vig=classic scum (especially SK) claim.

I'll be annoyed if massive doesn't count Yosarian's vote (every mod I've played with counts votes on "Stoofer" as votes on me, so votes on "ollo" ought to count). I don't even mind if olio is a vig because:
1. A vig who kills night 1 is about as much use to the town as an SK.
2. I know I'm town so I'd rather he's lynched today that I'm vigged tonight.

FWIW, I don't think the fact that olio ordered spaghetti means anything one or the other - at least until I get some more results. We are all Italian in this game.

[Mr Stoofer]

But what if we lynch olio and he is the SK, let's say. We do we know about Mr Stoofer's claim then. Nothing. Even if olio turns out to be a vigilante. We still don't know anything about Stoofer's claim. So,

FoS: Coolbot

for saying we do.

QFT

[Mr Stoofer]

In that case,

unvote olio, bote: Coolbot

.

[Mr Stoofer]

Sorry, that was just me being stroppy for not getting my way. Bad Stoofer!

"unbote": Coolbot

. We need to think about this. I want to lynch olio for the reasons I've given, but the developments on this page make me want to pause for thought.

[Mr Stoofer]

All right, let me try again then.

vote:ollio.

Lol. Try again.

And I'll

vote: olio

myself because it is the right thing to do.

[Mr Stoofer]

[beyond the grave]

Go town!

[/beyond the grave]

[Mr Stoofer]

Yay! Go town!

Thanks everyone for a great game -- I really enjoyed it. Especially thanks to massive: it was a really fun set-up which you obviously put a lot of effort into.

Well played Kerplunk and Phoebus. I'm so glad I was killed last night - I would have voted Phoebus for sure if I was still alive. I was screaming at my screen when I say Keplunk and Fritzler voting for each other - I thought we'd lost it for sure!

[Mr Stoofer]

massive games are renowned for headache causing.
His last game had the cop as evil and he coached his "deputy" to a perfect win.

I'm slightly masochistic as far as massive games go...

/in for next massive game.

[Mr Stoofer]

bump -- hoping massive will post the roles/night choices.

[Mr Stoofer]

~cough~

[Mr Stoofer]

Awesome set-up indeed, massive. Definitely /in for your next game.

So the information I got from my customers was useless?

[Mr Stoofer]

Sure, but was what people ate related to their alignment? Or was it just fortuitous that olio called me a liar for no good reason?