Mini 1061: Mafia in Someplace - Game Over!

[Slaxx]

Hey guys, hope to have a good game.

Whats up Retro, TheLonging, ICEninja?

[Slaxx]

Right off the bat I think TheLonging is probably town. Just because I think scum would pay more attention to the rules regarding pregame (since they can talk beforehand) and he would have known not to vote.

[Slaxx]

No, but mine has.

vote el mino

[Slaxx]

Lmao oops.

Vote: El Simo

[Slaxx]

Retro, just bandwagon my vote. I'm right.

Its generally how we get the game going, although I have read of other methods.

[Slaxx]

Retro, we look at later bandwagons to determine things. I know you don't think much of it but this is like an investment for later down the road.

[Slaxx]

Yeah but we see certain subtle reactions to certain bandwagons. Trust me, its good. You want to get out of it fast but its good.

[Slaxx]

Nothing. Just flippin vote xD.

[Slaxx]

Btw, initial puzzle piece:

If El Simo is scum (no, I am not saying you are) than TheLonging is probably town. Anyone who figures out why gets 2 slaxx points.

[Slaxx]

Nope. Retro you're pretty good at picking up hints and I already know your style of play so I would prefer you not answer the question. I want to learn something new about somebody.

[Slaxx]

You get unlimited slaxx points because I already know you're a good scumhunter. And I will know your alignment by the end of the day, and you will know mine too. Its just come from months of playing EM with you.

[Slaxx]

AH dont start that WIFOM shiz in here

[Slaxx]

Meh.

Alright so I take it Diddin doesnt want the totally meaningless slaxx points :/

[Slaxx]

Well the piece of the puzzle is this: I highly doubt one scum would shoot down an initial town read coming from a townie on their scumbuddy. Especially this early in the game. I'm not saying El Simo and TheLonging can't be partners, I am just saying its actually a pretty decent initial tell. Neither have done anything particularly scummy, so we'll leave it be for now.

unvote

Vote:Sweep

[Slaxx]

I know I am reading too much into it, but placing the responsibility of your vote on random.org doesn't sit well with me.

[Slaxx]

I am glad you guessed my tell retro, but do you agree with it? Why or why not?

[Slaxx]

The reasoning for my vote is just to get a bandwagon going.

The only reason I am buddying with Retro is its our first game together on MS (Although we have played probably literally a hundred or more on EM). If its a concern, then I apologize, but I am not going to stop. He's a friend.

In that light, I am actually not for sure if I buy his whole spiel on the "slip" that was pointed out earlier. I will probably wind up reading and dissecting it 15 times.

El Simo, the whole point of calling TheLonging town was just to gather reactions and get something going. I do think its a very slight town tell, but nothing awesome.

I think I have addressed everything. Don't expect for me just to answer and be on the defense. I get fairly aggressive but I am busy this weekend. So you guys get a break.

[Slaxx]

Also: Ben and I are not going to get along.

[Slaxx]

Read my post again, and this time try to not get overly defensive just because you see your name there, k? Thx.

[Slaxx]

Nah, you still won't get it. I was saying since I said I had an initial towntell on you and El Simo shot it down early that it was very unlikely you were scumbuddies.

Also just saying I am in-genuine with my reads isnt enough. Explain how. Because I would love to see you fight an uphill battle.

Any bandwagon that isn't a lynch is good in RVS. Sorry bro.

[Slaxx]

It's not complete bullshit, not relative to any other tell in this game. Longing, if you have a better way to get out of Rvs besides bandwagons and discussion then pleeeeeease educate me.

[Slaxx]

Playing with an open deck makes you easy to manipulate. Got to play with some cards face down kid. Bandwagoning for the sake of Bandwagoning this early ain't scummy cuz we know it ain't going to a lynch.

[Slaxx]

K. I see it differently. If it ain't l1 it's fair game
IMO.

[Slaxx]

TheLonging, I wouldn't clear sweep because of this. That was only like, 3 or 4 votes.

[Slaxx]

TheLonging, you're wayyyy too black and white about this. As I previously stated, the first RVS bandwagon hardly ever goes to completion so what do scum have to fear by hopping on a scumbuddies bandwagon if they are pretty sure it won't go to completion? And for that matter why should a townie care if he/she is confident the wagon will not go to completion? It is afterall the first bandwagon of the game.

[Slaxx]

Also

unvote

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[Slaxx]

I really don't think that's something you can discern from this situation thus far.

Ugh. Alright, ICE, link me to a game where you were town. Any one.

[Slaxx]

Initial First Thoughts:

Sweep: Neutral, but at the very least insightful. I can't really peg a read on him but with the information he is providing he definitely isn't today's lynch.
Retro: Would be town, but the slip is kind of worrying me a bit. And I don't like the way he defended himself because it really doesn't make much sense. This is all full of bias though because of I am use to his EM play. Right now neutral.
TheLonging: Overzealous to say the least. Kind of pushy, probably a player I am not going to get along with very well. Very balls to the wall outspoken. Content wise he has provided decent logic but I still think there is miscommunication between us on both sides. I still don't think he gets what I am saying about the tell I pointed out earlier and I am clearly missing something about his reply to it. Slight town lean.
Elleran: Has posted a lot but hasn't said very much. Typical under the radar comment can be inserted here.

Unvote, Vote Elleran

. For pressure and content.
BenMage: Talks pretty big for someone who has posted little to no content. Promised more content "later" (idk how long that entails) but that was a day ago and still nothing. Slight scum leaning.
Diddin: Not much content but my gut is raging at me to already call him town. If I figure it out I will let you know.
El simo: Consistent strong logic. Probably my most townie read.

If you're not on the list you haven't made an impression on me which means you probably arent talking enough, or alternatively I skipped over you unintentionally.

[Slaxx]

ICE voted someone for random voting, in essence, then tried to justify it. And thats who I forgot in my post too. I felt like there was somebody.

ICE could get my vote later, but I want to pressure some people who have been posting but not provided content. See: rewq, elleran, iamnobody

[Slaxx]

Wow I didnt even see that post by Jase.

Alright, yea. +Jase.

[Slaxx]

Jase, did you even read the thread?

Retro is a newer player, that was ICE's whole point against him, he didn't KNOW that was normal proven by earlier questions he asked. I can back him in saying that he has seen other games I was in (I linked him to Jekyll mafia to see me as mafia a week ago or so, it had 3 mafia/12) but what totally baffles my mind is why he didnt just use that as a defense. I mean I gave him the ropes of the game before we started and I can totally say for sure he saw that game but here's the thing:

If he was town he should have used the defense above
If he was mafia he should have used the defense above

So the scum motivation just doesn't add up to me, so I just threw him in null. It bothers me but like I said I will have a good read on him by the end of the day.

[Slaxx]

I like my vote on Elleran tbh.

[Slaxx]

OMG DH <3 ^^

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I've seen worse, but I wouldn't get too ruffles about it Retro. Part of the game is being a mislynch, my very first game here I was the losing mislynch on 3 way lylo.

Haven't been lynched since BUT thats beside the point

[Slaxx]

Assuming you are town, you just have to defend yourself better. Or even better just show them how good you are at scumhunting and put together a nice big post on everything so far O.o

[Slaxx]

DH didnt acknowledge my hi

He is right though I buddy with urryone

[Slaxx]

Elleran, if you have a gut scum read on me, vote me. Be sure to make sure you fabricate a case on me later though.

Pretty sure Elleran is scum, saying you have a gut scum read on someone who voted you with giving no reason why isn't exactly a town indicator. Also not following up with a vote is even woirse, IMO. Just shows you're afraid to vote. Especially when your vote is nowhere else.

[Slaxx]

El simo, what do ya think of Eleran?

[Slaxx]

He's someone I will be able to read and make connecions with later. MY view right now: let him talk. If he's scum he is just going to incriminate him and his partners.

[Slaxx]

I just realized TL says ICE is more scummy than me but he is voting ICE

Also I love how for sure everyone is about my case on Elleran and yet no one has joined me in my vote on him. Typical scum wagon: hard to get going d1.

[Slaxx]

I mean me. W/e

[Slaxx]

DH, you're most likely town. Hop on the Elleran choo choo with me. Many lulz will be had.

[Slaxx]

Diddin and Elleran, both of whom I am fine voting (That gut read on Diddin is long gone in light of recent events) are really the only active lurkers. Other people are either Dumb, Smart, Overzealous, or not posting. Or some combination of the four.

[Slaxx]

Ben, its not that people haven't posted. Its that Elleran has had the time to make excuses, then says he has a gut scum read on the only person FoSing him, but doesn't explain why or follow it up with a vote. He even explicitly states its not because of my vote on him (because saying it makes it true). Then its also the fact that two or three people has said that's obvscum but haven't voted him yet. This is like textbook scumhunting 101 here.

[Slaxx]

Its either A) Scumbuddies doing the typical FoS Buddy vote someone else routine, or B) Townies who think they are frying bigger fish with their other votes. But I have yet to see anyone use such a strong phrase as obvscum yet in this thread, so I do believe that confidence warrants more votes on Elleran.

[Slaxx]

Elleran:This was easy. Elleran is guilty of a classic scum tell I call actively lurking. It's when scum post often enough to not get prodded, but posts always contain very little information, mostly just parroted, and lots of I'm sorry I'll post later. It's an easy way to go by unnoticed and to get the town arguing between themselves. Very scummy read.

I am diggin up Ice's, Ben. I am pretty sure he was the other one.

Mod ~ Fixed the quote tags

[Slaxx]

Fix my quote tags mod D:

[Slaxx]

This. I didn't have any read on Elleran yet, but this is absolutely true. He is now free to come back and join any Slaxx bandwagon he wants because he "had a gut scum read". Definitely scummy.

Sorry, not Obvious. Just definitely, very, classic, etc.

TheLonging, your linear way of thinking is going to be a very bad downfall for you.

[Slaxx]

@Ben, it was ICE and El Simo.

TheLonging, you're voting me for bandwagoning in RVS, and that is what it boils down to. Find a better tell, comment on more recent stuff, and start being useful.

[Slaxx]

Yeah, thing is I actually enjoy playing with Parama even when he tunnels on me. Also, Parama tends to be...gee...RIGHT when he tunnels.

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El, I am not asking for your service to my crusade of awesomeness, I am just saying that such strong words and no vote is like headdesk type of stuff to me, but thats probably because Retro is the current lightning rod for attention and I think he is town.

Also, lol@thread activity explosion.

[Slaxx]

Thanks Richard

[Slaxx]

Explain where I used AtE?

If you're sure on it, than you're a moron. I hate when people say they are sure on stuff because you can never be sure until the flip. You can be confident, persuaded, or deluded, but you can never be SURE. Question yourself in the past and tell me how many other times you have been SURE of something in this game and it turned out to be wrong.

[Slaxx]

tl;dr you're tunneling and you're hurting town

[Slaxx]

TL:

1. Some tells are universal, and definitely playing with Retro for that long has given me an idea of what shit he tries to pull as scum. And lets face it, he is fresh out of EM and will probably try to pull similar shit here if he is scum. And if/when he does, I will be there to catch it.

2. It is an RVS bandwagon vote, which is why I am facepalming at you voting me for it. And yes, we do get along well on EM. And maybe here too..later.

3. ICE is neutral mainly because I haven't had time to dissect his posts. Right now, I have Retro as a town read, and he is defending retro instead of bandwagoning his vote, so that gives him a little push forward, but that by no means makes me trust him.

Its not active lurking. Take one more look at my case against him.

Which post?

Sorry, but if you lynch me for buddying (i.e if that is what makes or breaks your case) then I would encourage the town to take a STRONG look at you tomorrow because you know very good and well how personable I am during mafia games.

[Slaxx]

That isn't AtE, thats just me being pissed at you. I am not appealing to anyone emotionally (thats what it means, just in case you're just throwing it around as a buzz word) I am just commenting on your incessant need to think very linear and not be open to any possibilities.

What is "this"?

[Slaxx]

I don't get how being angry at someone who is tunneling is appealing to the town. I get how its emotion. I don't get how its manipulating anyone else's.

[Slaxx]

"This fallacy is committed when someone manipulates peoples' emotions in order to get them to accept a claim as being true. More formally, this sort of "reasoning" involves the substitution of various means of producing strong emotions in place of evidence for a claim. If the favorable emotions associated with X influence the person to accept X as true because they "feel good about X," then he has fallen prey to the fallacy. "

I did not substitute any emotion for evidence.

[Slaxx]

Posting it 50 fucking times doesn't make it anymore true.

I was not using the anger in anyway to prove a case against you or for me, I was remarking on how your confidence isn't as well earned as Parama's because I know Parama has a pretty good track record here on site. That is not AtE.

Also, you have played with me on EM so I have no clue what your problem is.

[Slaxx]

First of all, that still isn't AtE. If thats the case every townie who gives dying FoSs would be using it.

Secondly, he threw the word around before that post.

Fail more.

[Slaxx]

LOL YESSSSS thanks man. You made this easy. What you did is set yourself up in a bad situation. If town lynches me, you are so gone tomorrow. If You're lynched today, I am pretty much cleared.

[Slaxx]

I don't think Elleran will flip town, ICE.

[Slaxx]

"Slaxx I am not sure about" Slaxx I am leaning scum on".

You El's buddy or what?:

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Retro thats the great thing about saying you have a gut scum read on someone

A) You don't have to explain it
B) You dont have to commit to it

[Slaxx]

LOL thats usually how it is.

[Slaxx]

Anyway, Slaxx. Your responses are getting more and more fiery. Why so serious?

VOTE: Slaxx

Disguised OMGUS vote.

Yeah, I regret my last post. I posted at 12AM after some intense Hamlet; probably the cause of my distracted post.

Backpedalling...Backing down when confronted...Not assuming responsibility for actions...

Anyway, more to the point. How will you be clear after my flip? Are you saying that no matter which I alignment I flip, you've already considered all implications and have decided that my alignment is meaningless? You sound extremely sure of yourself when you say that.

I am confident (but not SURE /glares at TL) that you will flip scum. And although it doesn't clear me, it makes me look a lot better.

Because against Diddin, I have more than just a gut feeling. He actually made assumptions about my post... And those assumptions are mostly hostile, as if he's looking for hostility against him. Because of this seemingly paranoid mindset, I have a reason to believe that diddin is a scum. I can't vote for both players. I'm voting against the one who I think is more likely a scum. I might change my vote in the future depending on how things go.

Or it could be he misunderstood you. What you're doing here is setting Diddin up for an argument he can't defend himself against. Paranoia is a natural part of this game. Just because someone thinks people are out to push on him and get him lynched doesn't mean they are scum. But I like how you wriggled off my bandwagon and tried to place yourself on another one.

Can you explain what you see between the three of us that you mentioned? I don't see how I'm connected to Sweep and Iamnobody at all. The only time I mentioned Sweep was in my RVS vote and Iamnobody is nowhere to be seen in my posts.

Most of the time scum try to no be connected. Or at least not in a positively correlated way. I would think pretty much any player would know this.

@diddin: Even if you were referring to my description of Slaxx, you still extrapolated a hostile assumption from my sentence. "Why so serious?" was referring to his apparent rage, not his general playing style. You can clearly see that when I do discuss about playing styles, I specify that I am talking about playing styles as evidenced by my discussion on el simo's play. I commented on the tone of Slaxx's posts recently prior to the post made at the time, not his general play throughout the game. My assertion that you made a hostile assumption stands.

If thats the best you got on Diddin, then that confirms to me that you just awkwardly left my bandwagon in search of another.

Hey guys, look! Scum.

[Slaxx]

I'm not going to defend myself because bandwagons during RVS arent scumtells.

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The whole purpose of RVS is to get bandwagons going. I think I was like the 3rd vote? Maybe fourth.

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El simo, I don't think Ell's case on Diddin is very good. Not that Diddin is the endall of towniness, because he isn't, but Ell's case is pretty horrid.

[Slaxx]

Well then why did you say he was town without actually reading his thoughts?

[Slaxx]

Sorry, misrep. Not wown, just improving :p

[Slaxx]

El Simo is scum with Elleran if Elleran is scum.

[Slaxx]

Also, what are your thoughts on the game IAmNobody?

[Slaxx]

He's his partner.

Hey cool, I did it for him.

[Slaxx]

Lol

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Ben. I am on the wagon because his cases just got worse.

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IAmNobody has posted way less.

Want to hassle him too?

This is fitting together so nicely.

[Slaxx]

Why Jase and not IAmNobody?

[Slaxx]

But if this is a weak scum slot you want to try to pressure him more now before a stronger person comes in to take the place. Lurking is a null tell, but if they are being introverted and dodgy, you have to put pressure on them while you can. That's my opinion anyway. You just have to make sure to decipher between noobtown VI and weakscum.

tl;dr I think pressuring IAmNobody is just as important.

[Slaxx]

Angry responses is scummy because Slaxx wasn't quite cornered but simply pushed for more explanation when he broke into a raging post. A scum is more likely to crack when under pressure than a townie.

Also, I can see that I am one of the top candidates for the lynch of the day. This being so, I have a strong reason to not be around when LyLo approaches. If it seems that my lynch will provide the most information, then so be it. Getting lynched and revealing my alignment (which is town, btw) is going to be my towniest course of action right now because my lynch will fix the misguided scumhunt, provide information for the town, and get rid of a liability for town by being mislynched now when we can afford it.

@MOD:

UNVOTE: Slaxx

UNVOTE: Slaxx

UNVOTE

VOTE: diddin

-Repeats what he says
-Fails to argue any of the points against him, instead just says, okay, fine.

[Slaxx]

I have said all I needed to say. The more Ell talks the more he proves my point.

[Slaxx]

inb4 retro and sweep is town on town

[Slaxx]

Back peddling is a pretty strong tell.

[Slaxx]

I love how you are only paying attention to people who attack Ell and easy targets like Jase. It makes me feel so warm and fuzzy and RIGHT inside.

[Slaxx]

Don't forget, Benmage, he retracts the part about him hammering in his most recent post.

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I aren't.

Also, I would feel better about Ell if he played more offensively. He needs some real FoSs for some real reasons.

[Slaxx]

Dude, I didn't say any of that. What the hell are you trying to do exactly?

[Slaxx]

That was @el simo

Elleran, you still didn't give FoSs. Why so passive? You have to take a stance.

[Slaxx]

Check your quote tags.

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Idk yet. I am waiting for Elleran to give some FoSs and stop being on the defensive. Ben's case doesn't make much sense, and I have bigger fish to fry than sweep. I get a town vs town vibe from Retro vs Sweep.

[Slaxx]

THE MORE WE GET TOGETHER THE HAPPIER WE'LL BE.

YOUR FRIENDS ARE MY FRIENDS AND MY FRIENDS ARE YOUR FRIENDS.

THE MORE WE GET TOGETHER THE HAPPIER WELL BEEEEEE.

[Slaxx]

I think they're both scum, but I still am more confident on elleran. I would explain, but his last post kind of does it for me.

[Slaxx]

Then why even mention it El Simo?

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You lynch day 1.

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Read any day start game on this site.

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Its pretty funny how IAN's replacement is already focused on people attacking Elleran. Its like I have been right for the past 10 pages.

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ICE, you have got to be the most helpful player ever. I'm glad people like you exist. I sure as hell am not one of them.

Basically Smit, we need your opinions on who is mafierz :p

[Slaxx]

Actually Retro, some games here have two mafia groups that can cross kill. So if mafia tries to kill someone and lets say doc steps in to help, they are not 100% clear in all games. However I haven't read of any mini normals with two mafia groups, though I have played in an open that was 2 Red 2 Blue 8 Townies. Funnest game I have played too.

DH the point against Retro was he was new and shouldn't of known that. Also the fact that he didn't use the defense I would expect town-Retro to use, which I think I detailed a while back. However I have moved on because he has been acting normally since then.

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Hey, so do I.

I bet everyone here does.

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Why is my Ell wagon dissapating?

He joked instead of giving any FoSs. He is dodgy as hell and has been on the defensive the whole time. the best he has done is pokeDiddin once or twice for stuff that might be like 10% scumtell.

I mean I agree El Simo is suspicious but come on, did you ever consider he really just thinks Ell is town (as mislead of a view as that is). I don't think we're going to gain as much from a simo lynch as we are an Ell lynch.

[Slaxx]

I'm not changing my vote.

Retro, how can you not see what I am seeing here? Am I wrong about you?

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Elleran's posting gets worse...He literally ignores most of the accusations brought against him, clams up, and hardly has progressed the game forward. Yet other people are unvoting him for other wagon targets that aren't being nearly as scummy. All I ask of Elleran is a case on someone and he can't even provide that. He just kind of prods Diddin. He is afraid to take any stance. This is not a hard lynch.

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El, I recall you saying "oh I might hammer" on the El wagon. Difference now please, because that is a huge double standard.

Retro, thats what scum do. They leave openings for any wagon they want to jump on.

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Yeah, and I don't buy any of the crap explanations given though.

Look, you can back pedal and defend it all you want, but whats done is done. Point is, you said I might hammer but I am not voting him. Instead you pressured someone else, but you still left that window open. Is that not correct?

[Slaxx]

There are like 5 in this game. I think I might be one of them, but I don't care. I am confident in this lynch.

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No. No no no. No no no no no no. Thats not what I am saying. I am asking how what you did AT THAT POINT IN TIME is different that what you just scolded Retro for doing.

[Slaxx]

Meh, if a el simo/sweep lynch doesn't get steam, I guess I'll vote Elleran.

I'll tell you the same thing I told Benmage (so don't have a hissy at me). This is a no no. It's all fair and well to vote someone you don't have all that much on, but to try lynch them with that vote is another thing. If you are voting with the intent to lynch, you either vote someone who you think is scummy or you don't vote at all. None of I guess this and I sorta kinda feel that so maybe yeah ok.

[Slaxx]

Yeah, but I had to hear you explain it.

Ell is still scum :/

[Slaxx]

/dodgy glance at Elleran.

[Slaxx]

teehee

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Ell, out some FoSs. I am kind of begging you at this point. This is usually the time in which I can either pick up town tells or not.

[Slaxx]

This game is going NOWHERE. We need a flip, then we can get going.

[Slaxx]

I see huge text walls that seem to be going in circles. I really don't think ICE is scum though.

[Slaxx]

Elleran is scum.

Two(assuming three scum) of El Simo, Retro, Diddin (if Ell is town its more likely, but not a definite), The lurker whose name I don't even remember.

Town Reads: Jase, DH

Neutral: ICE, TL, Sweep

[Slaxx]

Your apathy worried me, but you kind of remedied that with this post.

Mianly because I think its El simo/Ell/the lurker because it fits very well. If any two of thoe three are scum but the last one is town, than I could see it be sweep.

[Slaxx]

What reason is that?

[Slaxx]

You're voting the guy that shares the same 3 FoSs as you? The ones that I made way before you came onto the scene?

[Slaxx]

A) Where did you get those?
B) Why did you vote me and claim it was RVS like 20 pages into the game?
C) Why are you "guessing" and "RVSing" when you have 20 pages of material to work with?
D) Why out of all your FoSs me? Can you really say that I have been more scummy than Elleran or El Simo? Have you even read this thread?

[Slaxx]

unvote

Vote: Demonhybrid

Elleran got a lot more townie with that vote

This is just a guesstimate btw.

[Slaxx]

-with that post, sorry.

[Slaxx]

Haha it was a joke vote ICE, I was parodying how Stim voted me.

ICE, do me a favor and ISO stim. Tell me all the things wrong with his play.

Ive pointed some of them out already...Also

unvote

Vote Elleran

Because he still isnt giving any scum reads. You can town read people all you want as scum but thats called appealling to town and its a scum move.

[Slaxx]

Here is a good one for starters, ICE. He says

B) You clearly read my votes. You are selectively quoting, not? i.e. " 95% is random guessing and people voting for others that are "disagreeable" (for lack of a better word). Of the 5% remaining, 95% is composed of people blowing the slightest little tiny hint of a "tell" out of proportion. That leaves 0.25% of real tells which I will never see in a 100 million years, with the little experience I have. " and I did mention guesstimate.

Tell me whats wrong with this?

Making up statistics, for one.
Not taking responsibility for a vote, for another.
Voting someone without any case, for another.
Clinging on to the RVS with 20 pages of material, for another.
Deflecting my question by reverting back to statistics he made up from inside his noggin, for another.

Shall I go on or can we agree that Ell is scum and Smit is chainsaw attacking me?

[Slaxx]

I freakin love DH.

He gets my next sig shoutout.

BUDDYING.

[Slaxx]

Alright.

Hi Diddin

WAZZZUP

[Slaxx]

Jase is my biggest town read tbh. Mainly gut.

Also ICE didya see Smit?

[Slaxx]

Alright, so maybe el simo is town. Sweep might be scum

Doesn;t matter. Ell fits with so many different people it unbelievable and I cannot believe with how agreeable and passive and introspective and scummy he has been + the amount of people letting him go + the person chainsaw attacking me for FoSing him that there are not more votes on this wagon. It sickens me.

[Slaxx]

-introverted, introspective is not correct.

[Slaxx]

erm...really?

[Slaxx]

I will just make an even better one when I find the time. He has given me plenty to work with.

Oh, and Benmage is a slight town read for me.

/waves.

[Slaxx]

New doesn't mean he is immune from being scum, but you know this.

ICE, you said elleran was second on your lynch target. So lets say he is scum, which I adamantly believe.

Do you at least see why I am so bugged by Smit calling out me and DH for doing something perfectly normal on Ell's behalf? And how he says he will read the thread and unvotes but just votes me again with no reasoning?

that isnt JUST new. Also I encourage you to look at his predecessor's ISO and look for similarities. It might be shocking.

[Slaxx]

Thats why my vote is on Elleran

Finally someone is making sense.

[Slaxx]

Then vote him

You voted Diddin for a lot less than that.

Care to explainnnn?

[Slaxx]

People sometimes do smit, but I have only held two grudges and both were from players who didnt hold to their wind conditions, not what they said to me.

Hell the first game Parama and I played in together we were all over each other but we still get along great.

So basically I wouldnt worry about people taking things personally considering its a game BUT a few people do soooo their loss.

[Slaxx]

Smit...you played mafia anywhere else? How experienced are you?

[Slaxx]

Erm, Smit. Those aren't insignificant at all. And you can't use that as a defense if you want to stay alive. And if you want to put a case on me, then fine, do it, but you have to actually say why you think I am scum. And you have to argue for yourself. I am usually good at picking out towntells when people are under pressure applied by me so I don't want you to be a brick wall here. You're really hurting town with this kind of mindset, and if you are actually town, you are making yourself extremely easy mislynch fodder.

[Slaxx]

Yeah, except for Retro. He touches me in weird places off the field.

I jest.

[Slaxx]

Indeed you do Bro

[Slaxx]

I shouldn't even have to do this guys. I'm kind of disappointed.

2. Slaxx, your play has been likewise aggressive--however, I'm getting a gut scum-read off of you. I don't know why and it has nothing to do with your vote on me. I'm just getting a bad feeling about you.

Unexplained gut read that, of course, has nothing to do with my vote.

Anyway, Slaxx. Your responses are getting more and more fiery. Why so serious?

VOTE: Slaxx

Votes someone for being serious, even though he just said above I was playing aggressively anyway.

Yeah, I regret my last post. I posted at 12AM after some intense Hamlet; probably the cause of my distracted post.

Not taking responsibility for a vote.

You FoSed me after assuming something hostile beyond my words. Why would a townie assume such a big threat from this apparently harmless post? Your assumption gives me the impression that you are more paranoid or aggressive in your mindset. You seem ready to jump on any post and your mind is extrapolating words from posts that don't say such things.

VOTE: diddin

Thats not a great reason to vote somebody. It could be chalked up to a misunderstanding. I'm not quite fore sure what Elleran is even saying here, but notice the post before Diddin FoSed him.

I actually am quite busy right now. However, I admit that I've read the post occasionally and didn't post. I didn't post because I was not being addressed to as much and I felt like I had said everything I had to say so far. I've posted my position on el simo already, and nothing has changed since.

He hasn't given an opinion that wasnt El simo is town or Diddin is scum I think pretty much the whole game.

I'm beginning to get a feeling that el simo is a scum. His logic makes sense in his arguments, but the way abandons cases looks like he's cutting whichever cases that are only catching attentions rather than steam. However, at the same time, he hasn't been detrimental but actually very helpful by inciting a great deal of discussion. el simo is either a very good scum or a really good townie. I'm leaning toward scum.

When the bandwagon on El Simo picks up he switches his I love el simo hes town to el simo is probably scum. This makes me think el simo might actually be town if Ell flips mafia. It could be that Ell is a mafia power role and he feels his survival is more important than el's. But thats heavy speculation based off of a lot of assumptions.



All I ask for his a case on who is scum, and even then its like pulling teeth. I realize he has a passive playstyle but he needs to realize that if he is town its doing absolutely no good whatsoever. Elleran. Assume there are three scum. Who are they and why?

[Slaxx]

You're both wishy washy.

If Ell flips town, which he won't if there is any decency in the world, then I'll reformat my whole line of thinking.

[Slaxx]

ICE what are you talking about? I think one of us is missing sumtin.

[Slaxx]

This game hasn't went into night yet huh

[Slaxx]

31 page day 1.

Yawn.

[Slaxx]

For those of you too oblivious or too lazy to click on the link deadline is in four days, so get on a choo-choo and lets go.

[Slaxx]

Wow, I'm going to die, aren't I?

Yeah, pretty much. You haven't really done anything town all game.

[Slaxx]

GUYS calm down lets all hug :3

[Slaxx]

Haha Ell is being a tease.

Same to you Ell.

[Slaxx]

El simo assumes he isnt going to die tonight.

[Slaxx]

Hi Richard!

[Slaxx]

Elleran, wait! What did you do with that sweater you borrowed from me?

SHIT GUIZ STOP THE LYNCH

[Slaxx]

Its all WIFOM now Retro.

Its all WIFOM now.

[Slaxx]

SHIT I'll never get my sweater back D:

[Slaxx]

HOW DID YOU HAVE A SWEATER IN YOUR POCKET LOLLL

[Slaxx]

Needs more flip. If Ell is mafia he is probably a PR because this lynch was ridiculously hard to get going. But I feel if he was mafia PR he would have claimed a town PR at least.

[Slaxx]

Wow, nice. Very nice.

Vote Smit

[Slaxx]

If there is a roleblocker/jailkeeper/doc, hold your tongue for a bit and lets decide how we want to handle this.

[Slaxx]

Most Likely Town:

DH
Diddin
Me
Jase

Neutral:
Retro
Benmage
ICE
TheLonging

Scummy:
Sweep
El Simo
Smit

[Slaxx]

Those werent in any particular order. Just me stuffing you guys into groups. Groups of awesomeness.

[Slaxx]

We're not going to lynch anyone within a week. If you want to see a trainwreck after scum was caught d1, go read mininormal "Murder in the Desert". No, I've learned. I am taking my time. My sweet ass time.

[Slaxx]

Smit your train of thought makes no sense.

If there is a town roleblocker, they out who they blocked IMO

If there is a jailkeeper and they think they jailed scum (and NOT protected town) than they should go IMO

A doc doesn't claim, but instead should try to

subtly breadcrumb

their protect. Same with jailkeeper who thinks they protected somebody.

[Slaxx]

And if ou're doc and don't think you can breadcrumb or don't know how, than don't attempt. I'm talking to players who might be doc that know what they're doing.

[Slaxx]

DH, if you think my reads are crap then think that.

Your attitude is crap.

olook deflection.

[Slaxx]

Sweep hopped on the bandwagon near the end of the day on Elleran, but before a week or so before deadline, had said nothing of him. He tunneled on Retro.

I would be willing to lynch Sweep or Smit today.

I cant shake that el simo is just town way off his game.

[Slaxx]

I'll bite.

Unvote

Vote: Sweep

[Slaxx]

Typically they choose amongst themselves.

Occasionally one person is designated to kill.

Most of the time the goon will make the kill so the mafia PRs are safer.

but we made that harder on them sons of bitches by lynching their goon d1.

[Slaxx]

Smit gets a small pass today because he is new but if he doesnt start making sense and giving decent reads and reasons then I won't hesitate to vote him off. At worst we lose a vanilla townie.

[Slaxx]

Cute.

[Slaxx]

Is it apathetic/frustrated mafia or is it VI?

The world may never know.

[Slaxx]

People are always going to want to lynch you. Welcome to mafia.

[Slaxx]

Alright. Anyway.

[Slaxx]

alright, thats enough votes on sweep until he gets in here.

I will reread the thread, uh, when I feel like it. And We will have our last two scum cuz im cool like that.

[Slaxx]

Smit, you can ask for a replacement.

[Slaxx]

Retro, I am actually in the middle of rereading Jase's ISO and Im actually not sure anymore.

I guess I will make my cases tonight then since this sweep wagon is a rollin.

[Slaxx]

El simo, how come you are so adamant about condeming retro for his different behavior but you're totally overlooking Smit?

I mean...seriously?

It makes me think I am overthinking this and you and smit are the last mafia and its just that easy.

[Slaxx]

alright, thats enough votes on sweep until he gets in here.

I will reread the thread, uh, when I feel like it. And We will have our last two scum cuz im cool like that.

Mr slaxx, do you think you have such a big following to call the shots and then not unvote?

I don't want anybody else voting him because there are already three people on the wagon. If people want to they can, but I dont want people to accidentally quick hammer. If you happen to read the game I referenced (murder in the desert) you would know why I am very wary of speeding through the days. Ask DH or Retro, they know what I mean. (DH played doc in it, Retro followed along with the game). We lynched roleblocker on d1 but got too cocky and just desecrated townie after townie. There is nothing wrong with wanting to slow a wagon that is halfway to completion before the person under fire has actually gotten to defend themselves.

If your second sentence is not another parody of me then I peg you as scum (mentioned you are scum before). Sounds like me talking. (Some might say "oh, now smit is saying slaxx would say what he just said and he is calling himself scum", but no don't go there).

With the third sentence, you sound confident, almost over confident, almost like 100% sure. Did you just paint a target on your back? No, 'cause you are more experienced than that.

This is called reaching. You think my cases were insignificant, this is just dumb. I'm not even for sure what you are trying to prove here. Did you really think I was being 100% serious there?

[Slaxx]

Well then tell me about Smit. What do ya think about Smit el simo?

[Slaxx]

El simo and Retro should stop fighting with each other and reach out and contact other players today. Retro kind of did that yesterday with Sweep.

[Slaxx]

Just because he is new doesnt mean he is immune from being scum.

What do you think of the fact that both players in that slot attacked me after they saw I was voting for Elleran? Both Players, Simo. Neither ever justified their vote. And look what Elleran flipped. Is that just chalked up to newbie too, or am I onto something here?

[Slaxx]

You did though. You think everything is.

I dont really

feel

like you believe what you're saying. I'll give you one guess as to what that means about what I

feel

your alignment is.

[Slaxx]

Alright, enough horseplay.

vote smit

No kiddy gloves for you bro.

If you're town, read through some games to get a feel for how a typical game goes around here, and maybe read up on some theory in the wiki.
If you're scum, be less obvious next time.

All aboard the smit choo choo, tickets are two for one.

[Slaxx]

Unvote

Vote:smit

[Slaxx]

What am I avoiding?

[Slaxx]

I am pretty sure you are scum.

[Slaxx]

Sober up before you consider posting anymore.

I have no idea what the fuck is even going on.

What do I know? That you're scum? You know that too eh?

And why are you pressuring me to answer rhetorical questions then?

[Slaxx]

Yeah, thats assuming you're not scum.

Here's a thought: If you would actually make a coherent post detailing legitimate suspicions on people and stop slinging baseless accusations around than maybe I would see it "your way".

You are also in the mindest that I am 100% scum, which is a dangerous mindset to be in as a townie, because that should never happen (I do believe I scolded TL for that earlier this game).

[Slaxx]

I think we're being trolled? Idk.

[Slaxx]

I made somebody's sig, but in the worst possible way. W00t.

[Slaxx]

I'm asking for a wagon, not a lynch.

[Slaxx]

Pressure does amazing things to VIs/Obvscums ICE. Amazing things.

[Slaxx]

@DH: I don't wanna Grow Up

[Slaxx]

No, my real life persona is a brutally honest jackass so my place and phrase in his sig kind of fits me.

Speaking of which, this wagon does need to slow down a bit.

[Slaxx]

I guess since Diddin post pictures and DH posts Youtube videos I need to find another outlet through which to express my opinions.

[Slaxx]

I tried to find the I dont wanna grow up I wanna cabbage patch kid shtick but I couldnt.

Is that even legit or something I made up in my head?

[Slaxx]

Lol slaxx doesn't dance.

[Slaxx]

That was kind of my fear too, but I'm not leaving it yet. We'll see what happens.

[Slaxx]

We're not going to lynch him today, or tomorrow. I would like this day to go on at least a week or so.

[Slaxx]

unvote

L-1 within a day is too much.

[Slaxx]

Vote Sweep

For pressure.

[Slaxx]

Wait was that vote/FoS combo a joke?

[Slaxx]

/doesnt get reference

[Slaxx]

Did Elleran ever vote simo when wagons were competing?



If not,

unovte

,

Vote El Simo

. If so someone tell me.