Mini 1079: Midnight Mafia- Game End

[Parama]

Well...
4 of my 6 scum wins are from towns lynching in MyLo.
Yeah, let's not lynch in MyLo please.

Also,

vote: nocase

hi

[Parama]

Ooh. Nathanael, I see your red role name. Care to explain?

[Parama]

Also:

bv310

: Tell us when you plan on flaking so that MS can have a replacement ready

[Parama]

1) How much experience do you have in playing Mafia?
~1 year now
2) What is the square root of an apple pie?
+/- Applesauce
3) Do you prefer playing as mafia or as the town?
Town plz. I'm better at mafia but being mafia is no fun
4) How many licks DOES it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop?
I don't lick.
5) How would you describe your emotional state coming into this game? Nervous? Confident? Timid? Ambitious?
I am going to win, whether you like it or not.
6) Coke or Pepsi?
I don't follow which brand makes which soda. Just give me a can of Dew,
7) Do you prefer to lead or to follow?
Lead. I don't follow AT ALL.
8) Please describe your playing style, both as scum and as town.
I'm right, just sheep me for the win. You're wrong, here's why, now screw off.

[Parama]

Ooh. Nathanael, I see your red role name. Care to explain?

What are you talking about?

Well, your role PM has your name in red, right?

[Parama]

Parama, you might want to be careful - you're skirting the quoting of role PMs rule. I'd really be disappointed if you got modkilled, since you're a good town player.

I'm not talking about MY role PM but Nathaneal's.

Thanks for claiming scum with him, though.

unvote, vote: Nathaneal

2 down, just need to find the third.

[Parama]

Okay then. Nathaneal, name your #1 scumpick as of right now.

[Parama]

Parama, how did you see Nathanael's role pm?

He just claimed scum with Nathn

ea

l, LOL.

@nocase: Nathen

ea

l is more likely to be scum, though once Nathan

ea

flips scum I'd be perfectly happy to string up Neto.

[Parama]

How does that make not sense?
Yes I am obviously trying to get on your nerves, Nathan

ee

l.

[Parama]

Why me over Netopalis or Nathanaal? All 3 of us were at 1 vote each.

[Parama]

Please. You're

really

going to claim that, because I called you on a rules violation, I'm scum? I expected better of you, Parama. We both know that you were newbie baiting, a technique which is horrendously unsporting in a game of Mafia.

No, I think you're scum because of how your reactions fits with nahtenele-scum. I didn't like it as a reaction at all.
Zdenek, that's BS and you know it. I've come to the conclusion that chainsaws rarely happen, if ever.
@Mitsuru: If you're calling out anyone for avoiding RVS, it should be Zdenek. I mean, he's putting as much BS logic down as possible to try and make a vote look serious, even though you can tell it's just a blatant bandwagon vote.

[Parama]

You can't beat a Parama wagon!

You also can't push a Parama wagon to completion

[Parama]

Mafia is a game of logic and emotions. How is what I'm doing against any rule, written or not?
(P.S.: I have modded a game before, I know the basic rules inside and out, so please don't try that BS with me.)

[Parama]

Facepalm counter: 1

[Parama]

Nuthunuul, ofc.

[Parama]

Nocase, I may be a troll at times, but I'm not a torll like you.
Also Slowsilver it's more that I'm trying to provoke some responses while also having some fun. More votes on me would be appreciated so I can tell you who all the scum are afterwards

[Parama]

So Nathanael, I have a question for you: Do you think I'm scum, or not?
Also yes I said that wasn't my intention, your sarcasm is late to the party and I award you one Capt. Obvious point.

[Parama]

Kanas: There is no valid attack on me, so excuse me if I don't bother defending myself.

[Parama]

@Parama
So you rather get lynched than bother explaining simply why people don't have to?

I see 2 RVS votes and 2 baseless votes on me. I am not worried about being lynched at all. In fact, I encourage all the scum to vote me.

[Parama]

Trying to decide about Parama whether he's doing it just to be obnoxious or if it is a genuine scumtell.
...
I'm going to

vote: Parama

and

FoS: Slowsilver

Hello, most passive post thus far! Nexus, why am I scum? Why is Slowsilver scum?

[Parama]

FTR: Effort is not a towntell. I can show you 2 personal examples of me putting a crapton of effort into a game as scum.

[Parama]

88? wtf?

I said, I think that Parama's being distracting to the town by being obnoxious. He's taking focus away from everyone else, and that's nothing but detrimental to the town, in my opinion.

Holy crap, this is the worst logic I've ever heard.
I'm not really being that obnoxious, considering I'm doing better scumhunting than you.
Anti-town =/= scum, but I am not anti town regardless.
You are voting someone based on them being anti-town (in your misinformed opinion) and not because they're scummy. This is why your vote is bad.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Nexus

lol appeasement

[Parama]

Also, how do you go from "Kanashimi's just said the scummiest thing ever" to him not being one of your top two picks? CONSISTENCY IS THE KEY MAAAAAAAAAN.

2nded

I also want to know.

[Parama]

SHINY VIG POWERS

[Parama]

^Nexus is scum for ignoring the vig shot.
I'm serious about this.

[Parama]

DAY-KILL: horrordude0215.

1. please fullclaim. There is really no point in keeping the rest of your role hidden now that you exposed yourself

lolrolefish

2. why did you choose horrordude?

scumbuddies with horror^

3. why didn't you wait to have more information? (e.g. shooting later today or even tomorrow)

assuming one shot

4. are you a SK?

oh my god there are no words

unvote, vote: Nythiynoyl

[Parama]

^bussing

[Parama]

It's now later.

Nexus is bussing Nthnl who is scum with Clown.

All the scum have 5 letter usernames. Neato.

[Parama]

THE SHOT WAS FAKE
THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IT IMPLIES THAT YOU'RE SCUM WHO ASSUMES HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH

[Parama]

Also, Day-SKs are NOT NORMAL.

[Parama]

Fun. This wagon's on town.

unvote

[Parama]

(6)Nathanael- nocase, bv310, Parama, Nexus, slowsilver, MK

At least 1 scum here, probably two. Nexus is scum #1, the other is bv310 or MK IMO, though I'm a lot less sure on either of those.

unvote, vote: Nexus

[Parama]

You aren't vollkan, and nocase is town.

[Parama]

@Rich:

You are wrong and I pity you.

@bv310:

Read the thread.

[Parama]

DAY-KILL: horrordude0215.

[Parama]

nocase reads as town.

[Parama]

his role PM

[Parama]

Slowsilver is being opportunistic as hell. Your reads change with the weather, apparently.
What makes you think I'm distancing with Nexus and not suspecting him? Because, y'know, I very much suspect him...

[Parama]

Rich: I already explained and don't feel like repeating myself.

[Parama]

I don't feel like wasting time explaining my town reads.
I don't like how you're so focused on such an unimportant thing.

[Parama]

I know crypto was Shiverer in a Mini we were all in a while back but he was dead before your replaced into that game IIRC.

[Parama]

Slowsilver seems only interested in making connections but not finding scum.

[Parama]

The fact that slow can recognize that Rich is just dumb and not scummy makes me want to give him townpoints.
Rich, please don't deny the truth. The truth cannot be hidden forever.

[Parama]

Richard is not scum, just stupid and his stupidity is implicating me.

more scumpoints for slowsilver.

nocase, we lynch horrordude tomorrow, today is slowsilver's turn.

...
You are retarded. Slowsilver's comment there is very town.

Richard is not scum, just stupid and his stupidity is implicating me.

more scumpoints for slowsilver.

nocase, we lynch horrordude tomorrow, today is slowsilver's turn.

More scum points for Nathanael, will he ever learn to explain?

I'd rather you give him dumb points and not scum points. I don't think he's scum and I don't think you're scum.

Kanas: You should be posting once per day. Any level of activity lower than this counts as lurking in my book.
bv310: Nice worthless post. When are you going to flake, btw? I already asked and it's inevitable so let's see how long it takes.
horror: When did nocase say he was pushing a lurker lynch? .-. Jump to conclusions much?
Zdenek: 270 gives me good vibes. Keep up the good work.

P-Edit:

2nding

nocase's question there.

[Parama]

The fact that Nathanael has the most votes on him, on D1, is a good enough argument not to lynch him IMO.

[Parama]

If Neetheeneeeel is scum I'll gladly take the fall for being wrong.
But I bus my buddies as scum

[Parama]

You're not hammered.
A post telling us who you think are scum would've been a much better reaction though.
Will hold this hammer in my hand until then.

[Parama]

how does everyone feel about a bv310 lynch?

meh uh eh he'll flake if we don't lynch him
but I'd rather not lynch a lurker today, scum lynch is better

[Parama]

remind me to come back to post 308 down the road.

YOU CAN HELP ME LYNCH NEXUS. IT WILL BE GLORIOUS.

[Parama]

You're asking me to vote between Nathanael and slowsilver, both of which I find rather null and leaning town. Putting my lynching criteria on simply "will this guy screw us over later on down the road if he's town?" then I'd probably vote Nathanael. I really don't see what makes slowsilver a good wagon :/

fine.

unvote. vote: slowsilver.

why?

because you are a filthy scumbag

ANOTHER VALID REASON
I don't think I'll vote slowsilver today, tyvm.
Don't think I'll vote Nathanael either because Nexus is on that wagon.

Hmm...

[Parama]

unvote, vote: slowsilver

better than a NL

[Parama]

maybe you could've waited for a claim? *headdesk*

[Parama]

^baaaaaaaaa

[Parama]

Okay, Charlie is scum.
Also Nathanael is Tasky which means I somewhat understand some of his antics now but that doesn't excuse them. But he's also not scum.
Nexus or Charlie, people. Pick your favorite.

vote: Nexus

[Parama]

ur doin' it rong nub

[Parama]

Yeah, still suspicious of Nathanaaaael, but lolmitsuru.

VOTE: Mitsuru

unvote, vote: Nexus

ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND?????

[Parama]

GUYS, STOP IT. FOCUS ON THE SCUM NOT THE DUMB PLEASE.

[Parama]

STOP VOTING NAT. HE'S NOT SCUM.

IF YOU GUYS WOULD SHEEP MY READS, THE CHANCE OF A TOWN WIN WOULD INCREASE DRAMATICALLY.

This is not arrogance, it's the truth.

[Parama]

No, Zdenek, let him vote Nexus. We want more votes on scum, misguided or not.

[Parama]

Yes, I did vote you.
But in case anyone forgot.

[Parama]

Yea. Mind self-voting? Today is ending in no lynch but yours, so you might as well speed up the process.

[Parama]

^This is a scum claim

[Parama]

I'm not feeling Nexus as scum. I'll reread and see what I can get.

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK, VOTE HIM

[Parama]

Yes, I tunnel.
But when I've found scum, why should I stop attacking them? <_<

[Parama]

So, quick, Spot the Dog, go find

the rest of the scum

. There's a good boy.

Hint: Look at Mitsuru.

hahahaha. thanks for claiming scum.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Nexus

^I agree with Nathanael. This is a Nexus scumslip. LYNCHLYNCHNCCCLYNLCYNLCHYNCHLNYCLHNYCHLNYCHLN

[Parama]

@horror; bv: Why are you not voting Nexus?

[Parama]

Nexus, how about self-hammering?

[Parama]

ATTENTION:
Nexus has made 13 posts in other threads since the last time he posted in this thread.

HAMMER AT WILL, PLEASE. I'm NOT WAITING A SECOND LONGER FOR SCUM.

[Parama]

ZDENEK. THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT.
HE HAS HAD TIME TO CLAIM.
HE IS FRIKKIN' DUE FOR A PROD.
I MIGHT AS WELL LYNCH YOU NEXT BECAUSE YOUR POST SCREAMS "HI I'M NEXUS' SCUMBUDDY!!!!"

[Parama]

Code: Select all

[b]unvote, vote: Nexus[/b]

^Copypasta that. RIGHT NOW.

[Parama]

Why am I scum?

[Parama]

A player who is intentionally avoiding the thread is not town, Zdenek.

[Parama]

[Parama]

Yeah great job lynching scum guys

[Parama]

You mean Zdenek?

[Parama]

Well he's scum with Nexus so... you're wrong.

[Parama]

There is no case on me.

[Parama]

Our mod is missing, yes.

[Parama]

The day has actually been over for 2 days, so you better hurry.

[Parama]

Scum fail xD
I am pro at reading people.

vote: Zdenek

[Parama]

No, sheep me you moron.

[Parama]

^This is OMGUS.

I was reaction testing Nath.
I have caught 2 scum by page 2 before btw.
A vote on scum is not bs.
BTW I never made a case on Nexus either.
And I actually PMed the mod saying I expected to get killed tonight, though you can't confirm this
You fail at PR hunting btw.

[Parama]

Here's some blatantly obvious scumlinks because I don't have time for the full case.

slowsilver on Nexus:

You are just regurgitating what others are writing about me

This part of your argument is ridiculous. One shouldn't have to come up with an original argument if there is already a case out there that they agree with.

Why does Zdenek randomly defend Nexus here?

zdenek, why are you defending nexus before he has the chance to defend himself?

Oh look, guess who died N1.

zdenek, why are you defending nexus before he has the chance to defend himself?

I was attacking slowsilver's argument, not defending Nexus. I think the case on Nexus for appeasing and backtracking is fine.

Yeah but you still defended him
Acting like you didn't is distancing, and very bad at that.

Are you trying to be intentionally vague? Are you saying that you voted Nat to get some reads on people along with Parama and Nexus, that you are suspicious of Nat, along with Parama and Nexus, that you are suspicious of Nate, Parama and Nexus or that you think Parama and Nexus had a distancing fight? Posts like this show that you don't really care whether people understand you or not.

Now, I am pretty sure that you meant that you are suspicious of Nat, Parama and Nexus, and that the "distancing fight" you were referring to was between Parama, nocase and Richard. Correct me if I am wrong, but assuming this, why are you referring to it as a distancing fight when you aren't suspicious of either nocase or Richard? I think you're just flinging spaghetti with statements like that.

This guy has a friggin' obsession with posts that mention Nexus.

Here is the case on Nexus as I see it:

- appeasing/backtracking on Parama
- not reacting to the fake day kill
- his wagon vote on Nate
- his responses to Parama on the previous page leave me cold; they feel like scum giving up, but could be from frustrated town
- the scumslip Nat pointed out, but scum will usually be careful not to say such things, and frustrated town might

I still like my vote bv310, and I certainly like it enough to not put Nexus at L-1.

More defense while also outlining the pretty damn solid case on Nexus. Um... yeah.

I'd like to add that regardless of Nexus' alignment, bv310's recent hesitation to vote could be interpreted as scum hesitating to bus or hesitating to vote for a town's person.

Setting up a mislynch tomorrow after Nexus gets lynched, eh?

That's good enough for me. Nexus isn't arguing against the case on him and he's doing no scum hunting. I'm willing to hammer.

Nexus claim please.

^doesn't hammer someone who has been avoiding the thread so much that he is due for a prod. Town doesn't do that, and there was no reason to wait for a claim.
Except that Zdenek thought he could save his buddy. WELP.

ZDENEK. THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT.
HE HAS HAD TIME TO CLAIM.
HE IS FRIKKIN' DUE FOR A PROD.
I MIGHT AS WELL LYNCH YOU NEXT BECAUSE YOUR POST SCREAMS "HI I'M NEXUS' SCUMBUDDY!!!!"

I see no reason why the Nexus situation warrants a change to the usual claiming protocol: claims at L-1 with a willing hammer.

Because town don't lurk at L-1

preview edit: nexus just claimed VT.
I don't buy it as I see no reason for a VT to have pulled that vanishing act.

*headdesk*
THE POINT
No town player pulls a vanishing act. THIS IS WHAT I JUST SAID. YOU AGREED WITH ME AND STILL DIDN'T VOTE HIM?
Also, quickhammering your partner as scum is a good way to 1. try and get townie points while also 2. stopping the scumbuddy from saying anything dangerous.

There is no case on me.

This is what scum say when they're being suspected.

Nexus was scummy, and the fact he was avoiding the thread increased the likelihood he was scum and made me seriously doubt that he was frustrated town

Yet you didn't hammer him when I requested it

I could have seen a town PR stop posting after a wagon formed on him (like slowsilver did day one), but not a VT, which is why I asked for a claim.

Town PRs would've claimed at L-2, actually. They care even more.
Also, slowsilver didn't even post on site for 3 days after his last post in this thread. The fact that he was a PR in this game likely had nothing to do with that.

[Parama]

^This is OMGUS.

I was reaction testing Nath.
I have caught 2 scum by page 2 before btw.
A vote on scum is not bs.
BTW I never made a case on Nexus either.
And I actually PMed the mod saying I expected to get killed tonight, though you can't confirm this
You fail at PR hunting btw.

It is not OMGUS.

Your vote on me is bs.

Yes, it is OMGUS.
My vote on you is a vote on scum, just like yesterday~

Whatever explanations you have for your other actions, you haven't explained failing to make a convincing case against me in twilight. You should have been concerned enough about the nightkill to make one, but you didn't.

My case heavily depended on a Nexus scumflip. As I just showed. You were obvious scum in the event of the likely Nexus scumflip.

Why are you lying about making a case on Nexus?: appeasement, ignoring the vig kill and avoiding the thread were all things that you brought up.

I never wall-o-text'd it up, which is what I consider "making a case".

Yes, the case on Nexus was strong, which is why I hammered when I was sure. I'd just pushed a wagon on the town cop and didn't want to lynch another power role. Maybe SS's vanishing act had nothing to do with his being a PR, but having just seen that sort of behaviour from a PR I wasn't about to rule it out.

meh

I'd like to add that regardless of Nexus' alignment, bv310's recent hesitation to vote could be interpreted as scum hesitating to bus or hesitating to vote for a town's person.

Setting up a mislynch tomorrow after Nexus gets lynched, eh?

I was still pushing for bv310's lynching. Why are you so certain that it will be a mislynch?

Because you're scum and pushing the lynch.

Also, quickhammering your partner as scum is a good way to 1. try and get townie points while also 2. stopping the scumbuddy from saying anything dangerous.

I don't see why you are saying this. Isn't the fact that I didn't quickhammer one of your main points against me?

That wouldn't have been a quickhammer had you hammered before a claim. It would've been a hammer after 3 days of not posting.
Hammering immediately after the claim is definitely a quickhammer.

Town PRs would've claimed at L-2

Not necessarily and asking them to is flat-out role fishing.

L-2 when it takes 6 to lynch? Yeah, PRs should claim then. I actually have made a show before of hammering people who didn't claim at L-2 and then someone put them at L-1.

Also, quickhammering your partner as scum is a good way to 1. try and get townie points while also 2. stopping the scumbuddy from saying anything dangerous.

Parama is accusing me of being scum because I didn't quickhammer Nexus, but here he also outlines a case against someone for quickhammering.

Again, already explained this.

I think this suggests that he was planning to attack whoever hammered Nexus in whatever way it went happened. This is an obvious scum ploy to secure a mislynch.

Actually I attacked you before you hammered, so

there goes your attack

.

Charlie, sheeping me when I'm on fire is always the most pro-town plan. Just ask Mini 1063, where I nailed all the scum and morons still tried to lynch me.
I am actually super sure Zdenek is scum because this is pretty much the exact scenario as that D3 and the one who pushed a case on me in that game was the last scum (who I had pinned prior to him attacking me - OMGUSing scum).

[Parama]

Charlie is, but Zdenek can die first.

[Parama]

EBWOP: Because Charlie is more fun and is also voting his scumbuddy.

[Parama]

Just noticed.

Look who's missing from this post!

[Parama]

(1)

nocase

- Parama
(1)Parama- Nathanael

(3)Parama- Nathanael, horrordude0215, Zdenek
(1)Netopalis-

nocase

(1)Nathanael- Parama

Gotta be one scum on the wagon here.

(3)

Nexus

- Parama,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215
(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(2)

slowsilver

- Zdenek, Nathanael

3p wagon on scum, horror is the only scum if any.

(3)

Nexus

- Parama,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215
(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(2)

slowsilver

- Zdenek, bv310
(1)

nocase

- Nathanael

Same 3p wagon. Both are probably town.

(5)Nathanael-

nocase

, bv310, Parama,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(1)

Nexus

- horrordude0215
(1)

slowsilver

- Zdenek
(1)

nocase

- Nathanael

I don't know the alignment of only a single player here. bv310 could be scum but it's less likely. nocase and Kanashimi have been on the same player for 3 counts in a row now.

(4)Nathanael- bv310,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(2)

Nexus

- horrordude0215, Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

slowsilver

- Zdenek
(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)RichardGHP- Nathanael
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

Wagons everywhere!
Everyone as a lone player on one of the townflips gets scum for me. Again, bv310 is the only player on the Nath wagon whose alignment remains unknown. Horror is STILL on Nexus.

(5)Nathanael- bv310,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

, horrordude0215
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

slowsilver

- Zdenek
(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)RichardGHP- Nathanael
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

Okay horror isn't on Nexus anymore. Nothing else has changed much.

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

, horrordude0215
(3)

slowsilver

- Zdenek, Nathanael, bv310
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis
(1)bv310-

nocase

Dead nocase voting bv310, and 3 people on the slowagon. Zdenek is one of those three and I don't see there being two scum on that wagon yet.

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215, RichardGHP
(3)

slowsilver

- Zdenek, Nathanael, bv310
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis
(1)bv310-

nocase

Dammit Rich.

(7)

slowsilver

- Zdenek, Nathanael, bv310,

nocase

, Kanashimi, Parama,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215, RichardGHP
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

Okay so the only player new to this wagon who I don't know the alignment of is Kanashimi, who gets scumpoints for such.

(2)Nathanael- Charlie, RichardGHP
(2)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-Nathanael,

Nexus

(1)bv310- Zdenek
(1)

Nexus

- Parama

Votes spread out everywhere. Nathanael is obvious town by this one, since I don't see 2 scum piling votes on a single player that quick. I have one scum read on each town wagon, how convenient!

(4)

Nexus

- Parama, Kanashimi, Nathanael, RichardGHP
(2)Nathanael- Charlie,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-

Nexus

(1)bv310- Zdenek

Unsure if scum would be bussing this early. Charlie and Zdenek are the only two unknown alignments on other wagons.

(6)

Nexus

- Parama, Kanashimi, Nathanael, RichardGHP, bv310, Zdenek
(2)Nathanael- Charlie,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-

Nexus

Hello 1 scum bussing another while one scum is off the wagon! Charlie is pretty obvious scum from this.

[Parama]

Charlie lynch > Zdenek lynch.

They're actually equal, but Zdenek is also trying to get me lynched for nailing scum.

[Parama]

^this is why we vote Zdenek. Charlie is too much fun

[Parama]

You're still scum, don't get me wrong, but Zdenek is also attacking me when I have magical reasons to lynch him

[Parama]

No man controls my avatar but me.

(I don't do avatar bets)

I am 101% sure you are scum. However, in the -1% chance that you're actually town, I'm not going to risk an avatar bet.
(In fact, I wouldn't withhold my end of the bargain if I DID agree because I am a liar But I'm not lying about my reads this game)

[Parama]

Zdenek: Because bussing a scumbuddy for 80% of the game including the entirety of D2 is better play than mislynching an easy target (MK).
Yeaaaah.
Zdenek, you're just jealous of my scumhunting skills and pissed that I caught you as well.

[Parama]

Yeah that's exactly what cruelty said in Mini 1063, which I'll keep referencing for as long as necessary.
Die scum die.

[Parama]

Maifa 114 was half a year ago, you moron. I only use meta to find townies now.

And yes I bus my scumbuddies as scum. But I also catch scum as town. Which is why it's hard to tell when I'm bussing. And I'm not bussing in this game.

Note: The only person I voted in this game between the time I placed my vote on Nexus for the first time and the time Nexus was lynched was slowsilver and that was because it was nearly deadline.

I love how you've resorted to meta attacks, those are quite useless.

[Parama]

I'm not giving examples from my own meta. I'm giving a similar experience in which this exact same thing happened IE retard attacking me after I pin the scum and the retard that attacked me was scum so I'm assuming the retard attacking me this game is also scum.

[Parama]

Parama, would you willing to be tomorrow's lynch if we lynch Zdenek and he flips town?

Do you realize how retarded this question is?

[Parama]

What the hell do you think my answer is?
Did you know that if Zdenek is, by some miracle, town, and you then lynch me tomorrow, town will likely lose barring a situation in which either a mafia is killed overnight or the mafia kill is stopped in some way?

[Parama]

Nexus was so obvious that if he wins this game I will tear your head off.
Stop talking like a scum player, Tasky.

[Parama]

No, because Zdenek is still attacking me for BS reasons.

[Parama]

Holy crap, Zdenek is an arsonist. I was wondering about the different kill flavors but now it makes sense.

[Parama]

Arsonist is a SK.
I really really really doubt a Firefighter being in a Mini Normal.

[Parama]

Zdenek, who did you try and kill last night? You've cleared me of being the arsonist anyways with that claim.

[Parama]

Firefighter protects people from SPECIFICALLY arsonist kills.
I do not doubt we have an arsonist in this game (see N1 kill flavor) but I highly doubt we have a firefighter to counter it.

[Parama]

Nathanael, you are soooo scummy but you pretty much have to be town by association with Nexus or SK.
And Zdenek is SK.

[Parama]

I find Zdenek's claim believable.

Then you have never modded a mini normal before.
WHOOPS.

also, Parama, your whole attack on Zdenek crumbles, as it was mostly based on his connection with nexus. this is now obviously BS, since he is either a SK or town.

He can still be mafia, but the SK role is much more likely.

I can now seriously see Parama scum.

Because you do not have the ability to use logic.

also, bv, tell me, why don't you believe it?

Because he has modded mafia games before.

[Parama]

Zdenek - if you're actually firefighter, claiming in your very first post tells the game that there's an arsonist, which wouldn't have been known by the town otherwise. That's indeed unfair to the arsonist. In a Mini Normal, SKs should not have counter-roles and should be AT LEAST investigation immune and probably NK-immune in some way as well.

[Parama]

I just realized what i've done. I hammered him.

My hero!

[Parama]

Exactly.

[Parama]

The point is, there is no one. I don't see a way that Charlie and Zdenek aren't our last scum.

[Parama]

Midnight is V/LA for two months.
Zdenek should flip himself.

[Parama]

xD

I totally made that up, guys.

[Parama]

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That is all.
We have 3 lynches to hit one scum.

Here is a list of all the players, with my list of "confirmed" town in green (I see no way for any of these players to be scum and play as they have):

2.)themanhimself

3.)Kanashimi
4.)RichardGHP
6.)Parama
9.)bv310

11.)Charlie

12.)Nathanael

Wage your bets, people. Charlie or themanhimself. Mine's still on the former.

vote: Charlie

[Parama]

(1)

nocase

- Parama
(1)Parama- Nathanael

(3)Parama- Nathanael, horrordude0215,

Zdenek

(1)Netopalis-

nocase

(1)Nathanael- Parama

(3)

Nexus

- Parama,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215
(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(2)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael

(3)

Nexus

- Parama,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215
(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(2)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, bv310
(1)

nocase

- Nathanael

(5)Nathanael-

nocase

, bv310, Parama,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(1)

Nexus

- horrordude0215
(1)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

(1)

nocase

- Nathanael

(4)Nathanael- bv310,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(2)

Nexus

- horrordude0215, Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)RichardGHP- Nathanael
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

(5)Nathanael- bv310,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

, horrordude0215
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)RichardGHP- Nathanael
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

, horrordude0215
(3)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael, bv310
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis
(1)bv310-

nocase

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215, RichardGHP
(3)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael, bv310
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis
(1)bv310-

nocase

(7)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael, bv310,

nocase

, Kanashimi, Parama,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215, RichardGHP
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

(2)Nathanael- Charlie, RichardGHP
(2)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-Nathanael,

Nexus

(1)bv310-

Zdenek

(1)

Nexus

- Parama

(4)

Nexus

- Parama, Kanashimi, Nathanael, RichardGHP
(2)Nathanael- Charlie,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-

Nexus

(1)bv310-

Zdenek

(6)

Nexus

- Parama, Kanashimi, Nathanael, RichardGHP, bv310,

Zdenek

(2)Nathanael- Charlie,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-

Nexus

(3)

Zdenek

- Parama, Charlie, RichardGHP
(2)Charlie- Nathanael, Kanashimi
(1)Parama-

Zdenek

(4)

Zdenek

- Parama, Charlie, RichardGHP, bv310
(2)Charlie- Nathanael, Kanashimi
(1)Parama-

Zdenek

(5)

Zdenek

- Parama, Charlie, RichardGHP, bv310, Kanashimi
(1)Charlie- Nathanael
(1)Parama-

Zdenek

Looking over these... horror (themanhimself) is definitely town.
Kanashimi is actually my #2 scumpick, but there's just no way at all Charlie is town.

[Parama]

These votecounts affirm horror-town:

(3)

Nexus

- Parama,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215
(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(2)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael

(3)

Nexus

- Parama,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215
(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(2)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, bv310
(1)

nocase

- Nathanael

(5)Nathanael-

nocase

, bv310, Parama,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(1)

Nexus

- horrordude0215
(1)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

(1)

nocase

- Nathanael

(4)Nathanael- bv310,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(2)

Nexus

- horrordude0215, Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)RichardGHP- Nathanael
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

[Parama]

These votecounts affirm Nathanael-town:

(3)Parama- Nathanael, horrordude0215,

Zdenek

(1)Netopalis-

nocase

(1)Nathanael- Parama

(3)

Nexus

- Parama,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215
(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(2)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael

(5)Nathanael-

nocase

, bv310, Parama,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

(2)Netopalis-

nocase

, Kanashimi
(1)

Nexus

- horrordude0215
(1)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

(1)

nocase

- Nathanael

(4)Nathanael- bv310,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(2)

Nexus

- horrordude0215, Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)RichardGHP- Nathanael
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

(5)Nathanael- bv310,

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

, horrordude0215
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)RichardGHP- Nathanael
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

,

Mitsuru Kirijo

, horrordude0215
(3)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael, bv310
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

nocase

- RichardGHP
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis
(1)bv310-

nocase

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215, RichardGHP
(3)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael, bv310
(1)

Nexus

- Parama
(1)Netopalis- Kanashimi
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis
(1)bv310-

nocase

(7)

slowsilver

-

Zdenek

, Nathanael, bv310,

nocase

, Kanashimi, Parama,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(4)Nathanael-

Nexus

,

slowsilver

, horrordude0215, RichardGHP
(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

- Netopalis

(2)Nathanael- Charlie, RichardGHP
(2)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-Nathanael,

Nexus

(1)bv310-

Zdenek

(1)

Nexus

- Parama

(4)

Nexus

- Parama, Kanashimi, Nathanael, RichardGHP
(2)Nathanael- Charlie,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-

Nexus

(1)bv310-

Zdenek

(6)

Nexus

- Parama, Kanashimi, Nathanael, RichardGHP, bv310,

Zdenek

(2)Nathanael- Charlie,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-

Nexus

(3)

Zdenek

- Parama, Charlie, RichardGHP
(2)Charlie- Nathanael, Kanashimi
(1)Parama-

Zdenek

[Parama]

These votecounts affirm Kanashimi-town

(4)

Nexus

- Parama, Kanashimi, Nathanael, RichardGHP
(2)Nathanael- Charlie,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-

Nexus

(1)bv310-

Zdenek

(6)

Nexus

- Parama, Kanashimi, Nathanael, RichardGHP, bv310,

Zdenek

(2)Nathanael- Charlie,

Mitsuru Kirijo

(1)

Mitsuru Kirijo

-

Nexus

[Parama]

This post really f***ing affirms bv310-town:

also, bv, tell me, why don't you believe it?

Because he has modded mafia games before.

Basically this. Parama knows exactly how much I value even playing fields in my setups (Hydra should show that). Giving a counterpoint to the firefighter (the SK) would be shockingly unfair towards him. Ergo, Zdenek is scum who saw the "burned alive" flavour and felt like he had a legitimate claim available there. Or he's the SK hoping for a CC so he can kill his counterpoint tonight. Either way, he needs more rope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTJEeszxLvo

[Parama]

Trying to decide about Parama whether he's doing it just to be obnoxious or if it is a genuine scumtell.
...
I'm going to

vote: Parama

and

FoS: Slowsilver

Hello, most passive post thus far! Nexus, why am I scum? Why is Slowsilver scum?

88? wtf?

I said, I think that Parama's being distracting to the town by being obnoxious. He's taking focus away from everyone else, and that's nothing but detrimental to the town, in my opinion.

Holy crap, this is the worst logic I've ever heard.
I'm not really being that obnoxious, considering I'm doing better scumhunting than you.
Anti-town =/= scum, but I am not anti town regardless.
You are voting someone based on them being anti-town (in your misinformed opinion) and not because they're scummy. This is why your vote is bad.

unvote, vote: Nexus

lol appeasement

Okay, Charlie is scum.
Also Nathanael is Tasky which means I somewhat understand some of his antics now but that doesn't excuse them. But he's also not scum.
Nexus or Charlie, people. Pick your favorite.

vote: Nexus

Yeah, still suspicious of Nathanaaaael, but lolmitsuru.

VOTE: Mitsuru

unvote, vote: Nexus

ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND?????

STOP VOTING NAT. HE'S NOT SCUM.

IF YOU GUYS WOULD SHEEP MY READS, THE CHANCE OF A TOWN WIN WOULD INCREASE DRAMATICALLY.

This is not arrogance, it's the truth.

ZDENEK. THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT.
HE HAS HAD TIME TO CLAIM.
HE IS FRIKKIN' DUE FOR A PROD.
I MIGHT AS WELL LYNCH YOU NEXT BECAUSE YOUR POST SCREAMS "HI I'M NEXUS' SCUMBUDDY!!!!"

You mean Zdenek?

Well he's scum with Nexus so... you're wrong.

Scum fail xD
I am pro at reading people.

vote: Zdenek

Here's some blatantly obvious scumlinks because I don't have time for the full case.

slowsilver on Nexus:

You are just regurgitating what others are writing about me

This part of your argument is ridiculous. One shouldn't have to come up with an original argument if there is already a case out there that they agree with.

Why does Zdenek randomly defend Nexus here?

zdenek, why are you defending nexus before he has the chance to defend himself?

Oh look, guess who died N1.

zdenek, why are you defending nexus before he has the chance to defend himself?

I was attacking slowsilver's argument, not defending Nexus. I think the case on Nexus for appeasing and backtracking is fine.

Yeah but you still defended him
Acting like you didn't is distancing, and very bad at that.

Are you trying to be intentionally vague? Are you saying that you voted Nat to get some reads on people along with Parama and Nexus, that you are suspicious of Nat, along with Parama and Nexus, that you are suspicious of Nate, Parama and Nexus or that you think Parama and Nexus had a distancing fight? Posts like this show that you don't really care whether people understand you or not.

Now, I am pretty sure that you meant that you are suspicious of Nat, Parama and Nexus, and that the "distancing fight" you were referring to was between Parama, nocase and Richard. Correct me if I am wrong, but assuming this, why are you referring to it as a distancing fight when you aren't suspicious of either nocase or Richard? I think you're just flinging spaghetti with statements like that.

This guy has a friggin' obsession with posts that mention Nexus.

Here is the case on Nexus as I see it:

- appeasing/backtracking on Parama
- not reacting to the fake day kill
- his wagon vote on Nate
- his responses to Parama on the previous page leave me cold; they feel like scum giving up, but could be from frustrated town
- the scumslip Nat pointed out, but scum will usually be careful not to say such things, and frustrated town might

I still like my vote bv310, and I certainly like it enough to not put Nexus at L-1.

More defense while also outlining the pretty damn solid case on Nexus. Um... yeah.

I'd like to add that regardless of Nexus' alignment, bv310's recent hesitation to vote could be interpreted as scum hesitating to bus or hesitating to vote for a town's person.

Setting up a mislynch tomorrow after Nexus gets lynched, eh?

That's good enough for me. Nexus isn't arguing against the case on him and he's doing no scum hunting. I'm willing to hammer.

Nexus claim please.

^doesn't hammer someone who has been avoiding the thread so much that he is due for a prod. Town doesn't do that, and there was no reason to wait for a claim.
Except that Zdenek thought he could save his buddy. WELP.

ZDENEK. THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT.
HE HAS HAD TIME TO CLAIM.
HE IS FRIKKIN' DUE FOR A PROD.
I MIGHT AS WELL LYNCH YOU NEXT BECAUSE YOUR POST SCREAMS "HI I'M NEXUS' SCUMBUDDY!!!!"

I see no reason why the Nexus situation warrants a change to the usual claiming protocol: claims at L-1 with a willing hammer.

Because town don't lurk at L-1

preview edit: nexus just claimed VT.
I don't buy it as I see no reason for a VT to have pulled that vanishing act.

*headdesk*
THE POINT
No town player pulls a vanishing act. THIS IS WHAT I JUST SAID. YOU AGREED WITH ME AND STILL DIDN'T VOTE HIM?
Also, quickhammering your partner as scum is a good way to 1. try and get townie points while also 2. stopping the scumbuddy from saying anything dangerous.

There is no case on me.

This is what scum say when they're being suspected.

Nexus was scummy, and the fact he was avoiding the thread increased the likelihood he was scum and made me seriously doubt that he was frustrated town

Yet you didn't hammer him when I requested it

I could have seen a town PR stop posting after a wagon formed on him (like slowsilver did day one), but not a VT, which is why I asked for a claim.

Town PRs would've claimed at L-2, actually. They care even more.
Also, slowsilver didn't even post on site for 3 days after his last post in this thread. The fact that he was a PR in this game likely had nothing to do with that.

Nexus

has been lynched. He was the

Mafia RoleBlocker

!

Zdenek

has been lynched. He was a

Mafia Goon

!

ANY QUESTIONS?

[Parama]

How to Win Mafia 1079 Today

by Parama

Code: Select all

[b]vote: Charlie[/b]

Highlight the above.
Press and hold ctrl, then hit c.
Go the the quick reply box.
Press and hold ctrl, then hit v.
Press the "Submit" button.

[Parama]

this isn't the thread for that
I apologize for not putting VCA win up for you Rich but you're obvious town anyways.

[Parama]

I can't.

[Parama]

Charlie, claim. Quick!

[Parama]

Well, I think I'll be nominating Parama for Paragon.

BWAHAHAHAHA NO YOU WON'T

[Parama]

I totally thought Nathanael was the doc.
But it looks like scum failed at even bothering to shoot other players. I'm some sort of unaware lightning rod it seems xD

Oh and sorry to the scumteam for crushing them, cutting them to bits, ruining their lives, and just plain dominating them. All in a day's work

[Parama]

What flavor issue? .-.

[Parama]

???
I'm still lost on the flavor thing, whatever.

How I did it:
I stopped scumhunting.
...and started linking, as soon as Nexus flipped. I already had Charlie and Nexus as scum with no read on Zdenek, but he was so heavily linked to Nexus that it became obvious that he's scum. Once you have a confirmed scum, you can analyze their posts, others' posts interacting with them, and voting patterns. It's much more reliable than scumhunting.

[Parama]

What about it? .-. I see nothing wrong there. Is it because of Zdenek's failclaim?

[Parama]

That's Zdenek's fault for not knowing the Mini Normal guidelines, then

[Parama]

Rereading this game for lulz, look at this early post.

5) How would you describe your emotional state coming into this game? Nervous? Confident? Timid? Ambitious?
I am going to win, whether you like it or not.
8) Please describe your playing style, both as scum and as town.
I'm right, just sheep me for the win. You're wrong, here's why, now screw off.

Merry Christmas everyone.

EDIT:

IF YOU GUYS WOULD SHEEP MY READS, THE CHANCE OF A TOWN WIN WOULD INCREASE DRAMATICALLY.

This is not arrogance, it's the truth.

Yes I'm editing. The game is over, deal with it ^_^