Mini 1082 (Guns and Ropes: Midland): An Unfaithful Ending.

[charter]

/confirm

[charter]

Vote Macavity

Let's quicklynch him.

[charter]

I just quicklynched him another game.

You think that I'm trying to trick the town into quicklynching him by just saying that? No peer pressure or nothing, just out of the blue?

[charter]

I think it's Gonnano, Enigma, and LMP/jimfinn. Gonnano and Enigma are probably buddies with how much Gonnano is going on about Enigma actually not being scummy, and Enigma with how he's doing nothing but being scummy. LMP has been ignoring most of everything, and it really stands out that he has no comment on these two. Jimfinn's first post is still pretty bad, but then Gonnano comes in and votes Rabies and keeps in on Rabies (I can see voting Rabies when he voted Mizzy, but after that, no).

I'd probably say I'm about 85% sure of Gonnano right now, Enigma is less than that maybe 50%, but Enigma has more votes.

unvote, vote Enigma

[charter]

Pretty good.
What do you think are the chances of anyone buying that as an explanation or defense for you actions is?

[charter]

Guys, let's wagon Gonnano.

unvote, vote Gonnano

[charter]

LMP has been ignoring most of everything, and it really stands out that he has no comment on these two.

So far you're the only person who has chosen to interpret my criticism of Rabies as a defense of Enigma. Why single out LMP when no one else has commented about it either?

I think Macavity is interpreting it similar to myself, and I singled LMP because he hasn't mentioned Enigma at all (which most people have) and hasn't mentioned you, which is bad for him, since you're scum.

Jimfinn's first post is still pretty bad, but then Gonnano comes in and votes Rabies and keeps in on Rabies (I can see voting Rabies when he voted Mizzy, but after that, no).

What is it that you don't understand about the reason that I voted for Rabies? Why does keeping my vote on Rabies have any significance when nothing has changed since I placed it?

I thought his post you disliked was very good, I think you're faking your vote.

Yeah bandwagon for no reason! Or do you have a reason?

He's scum.

[charter]

What are you smoking? I just asked him a question to probe him on this specific issue. How on earth is that not mentioning him?

You're right, I missed this.

I haven't commented on the Enigma business because it looks silly to me.

What about it looks silly to you? Do you know what Enigma thinks about anyone in this game?

[charter]

I didn't notice moose ignoring you and Enigma.

Man, last game I was in, on page three I gave two reads of people as scum. One I said was 100% and one was 99.5%. Both were scum.

[charter]

Alright, yeah, jimfinn/gonnano/Enigma.

What made LMP's absence of comment more noticeable to you than moose's?

I don't know. I noticed one, and not the other. I didn't scour everyone's posts in isolation with a checklist.

[charter]

Jimfinn's vote there was just awful. He claims that LMP "refused" to vote for gonnano until called out. I don't see him show how LMP "refused", when I read the thread, it looked to me like LMP just didn't or forgot. Just another layer of the Enigma/jimfinn/gonnano scumfecta.

[charter]

UNVOTE; VOTE:Moose

A wagon of victorious measures!

I also do not care for Gonnano.

So why vote for Moose when the Gonnano wagon is already more victorious?

[charter]

Yeah, I'm going to have an epic struggle in my head tonight over whether I want to vote Moose which means my reads are going to get shuffled up or if he's just being an idiot.

Policy lynching is definitely protown, but there's no one in here who comes close to deserving one.

[charter]

PZ brought up something similar, but Jimfinn, I asked you some questions in 20 which you ignored, please answer.

Why are you even telling us this? Are you saying you're 99.5% or 100% sure gonnano is scum?

Gonnano attacked the certainty I had of my read rather than trying to defend his actions. Then once I called him out on this, he defended, but still went on about the number. What he's doing is trying to weaken my case by saying there's no way I can be as sure as I am of him, and thus my attack on him is disingenuous, rather than respond to my actual points. I showed that example because I didn't want to explain this to him (I wanted to see if he was just going to continue attacking my numbers or what). I said I was 85% sure he was scum. By now, that's higher, but that's neither here nor there. I'm not arguing that since I was right in another game, I must be right here. If that's how it came across, that's not my intention.

[charter]

my list of the four you asked about plus my current vote, PZ:
On a scale of 10 uberscum to 1 obvtown
LMP - 7
moose - 6.5
charter - 6.5
gonnanno - 5
enigma - 5

Reasons for all these. What I see here is a list of likely townies that other people find suspicious at the top, and you're doing your distancing by throwing your buddies on but at the bottom.

[charter]

I was specifically asked about the other 4 players, and I voted the fifth, so I gave my strength of reads. I didn't arbitrarily choose the players - my reason was the question asked of me by PZ.

Ah, ok then. Nevermind.

[charter]

Moose is voting for scum. If he wasn't doing that, he'd be very suspect.

[charter]

Charter: What do you think about the possibility of bussing?

Possible. I'd have said I doubt it is at the time of your post, but after these last few from Moose, I just don't know. I'm finding it hard to find anyway of seeing him as town. Moose is looking such a VI and not in the probably town kind of way.

[charter]

PROD on gonanno please

What do you do when you're scum and you get caught? Lurk your pants off.

[charter]

Well, I think everyone voting Gonnano right now will be confirmed town once he flips scum. After this last post, I think his buddies have no choice but to bus.

I think Moose is at maybe L-2, with no one else threatening to vote, Gonnano ain't even voting him, but wants Moose to claim because it will "improve his play". It doesn't get any more obvious.

[charter]

Oh wait, nevermind, I misread his post. But he's still scum.

[charter]

Oh wait, nevermind, I misread his post. But he's still scum.

wait u think im scum?

I was referring to Gonnano there. Your actions have been scummy, but my gut says you're probably town, and I'm still going with that.

[charter]

I'm confused - how does win% even matter at all? That seems like a totally irrelevant idea to me.

Should we just lynch you now or are you going to start pretending to scumhunt and stop active lurking?

[charter]

I don't think you're crazy regarding SC. However, I don't think I've ever seen him vote for scum, and I always suspect him on that, but I think I've always seen him as town, so him ignoring Gonnano is reassuring.

[charter]

If you don't draw conclusions in your post, there's little point in making it. Draw a conclusion about Gannano and Jimfinn for me.

I happen to agree with you that the Moose wagon is suspect, and of my three suspects, you actually are the one that's kind of just thrown in there. I think you may be on to something with Mizzy as well. I don't get the feeling that she actually thinks Moose is scum.

What about RBT? Or are you just ignoring him? Same for rabies.

Rabies is the most town out of any of you, so I am ignoring him. RBT always lurks, I'm not worried about him today.

[charter]

So, what do you think about Gonnano and Jimfinn?

[charter]

That is why my vote is still on him; I want to see if he gives a fuck or not. If not, then he's scum and my vote should stay right where it is.

This is some pretty strong evidence that you don't think he's scum, you are just looking for a place to have your vote. Not caring doesn't equal scum.

[charter]

That is why my vote is still on him; I want to see if he gives a fuck or not. If not, then he's scum and my vote should stay right where it is.

This is some pretty strong evidence that you don't think he's scum, you are just looking for a place to have your vote. Not caring doesn't equal scum.

Not caring is neither a full scum- or town-tell in and of itself. However, in the face of a possible lynch, a townie SHOULD care and do something about it. Am I wrong, there?

Town and scum both should care. You can't pull alignment out of interest level.

[charter]

Gonnano is STILL voting Rabies. It seems pretty clear to me that he A) has no interest in finding scum, B) has no interest in convincing anyone else to vote Rabies, C) is obvscum! I'd vote Jimfinn, I guess, if we can get seven votes on him, but we need to stop with this Moosewagon nonsense and lynch one of these two.

[charter]

That's the most flawed scumtell I've ever heard of.

[charter]

Lynch Jimfinn, then?

unvote, vote Jimfinn

[charter]

sounds a lot like "gonnano is voting my buddy, we gotta lynch him!"

No, you haven't tried to convince anyone to vote Rabies, or even that Rabies is scum. No one but you has said they're suspicious of him. You are content for that to the the status quo, just sitting on the sideline, not ruffling any feathers, so that you avoid any suspicion yourself and don't get lynched.

On a side note, RBT's super lurking is starting to bother me and if I don't see some content I'll have to conclude that he is scum.

Taking a page out of Mizzy's book of poor reasons to vote someone. You've already made up your mind that he's scum and are now just waiting until either a wagon forms on him, or he lurks a little more and it's acceptable to vote him.

So obvious you are scum. WHY CANT I BE A DAYVIG?!?!? WHYYYYYYYY

[charter]

@ charter

As I see it, the situation now is that I didn't think Enigma's post was scummy, so I voted Rabies for voting him. You didn't think Rabies's post was scummy, so you voted me for voting him. To me it looks like you're doing the exact same thing that I did,

which leads me to wonder if the same logic you used to say that I was Enigma's scumbuddy would also make you and Rabies scumbuddies

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I'm still interested in a response to the bolded.

There's nothing to respond to there. Your vote was bad and on a townie, my vote was on a scumbag.

[charter]

Gonnano, take a poll to see if anyone but you thinks that I'm deflecting for Rabies because he's scum and you caught him. There's a reason why.

[charter]

RBT is now officially an active lurker, scum points come along with that title.

I did comment on your Mizzy observations, I think you have something. But I think there's bigger (and easier) fish to fry with Gonnano and Jimfinn.

And yeah, it's pretty obvious what Enigma meant. And plus, there's multiple scum teams in mini's (not often, but sometimes).

[charter]

Don't forget our friend Jimfinn. Lurking, active lurking, flying under the radar, scummy, probably some other stuff I forgot. But Gonnano won't give an opinion on him

charter, why do you prefer jimfinn over Enigma?

I find Jimfinn much MUCH scummier.

[charter]

Ok, it's really obvious that there are two ways of interpreting what Enigma said regarding "scum teams". One is how LMP is saying, that Enigma has inside knowledge of multiple scum factions being present in this game. That's the way Enigma was obviously not using. Then there's the other way, that Enigma is keeping his options open to multiple possibilities regarding what a single scum team could be, for example it could be player a, b, and c, or it could be player b, e, f, or a, c, d. That right there shows three different possible scum TEAMS. That's the way Enigma was obviously using it to mean. LMP gets some scumpoints for the extent to which he's pushing this, since I find I do that a lot as scum, latch on to something pretty concrete and then push it and ignore everything else.

@Moose, I will give you a case on Jimfinn, but first I would like you to answer a question for me. Why do you need a case for why Jimfinn is scum now, but earlier you voted Gonnano (and are still voting him) but didn't need a reason to?

[charter]

Well yeah, it's very obvious that his words are being twisted. If people want to vote him, that's fine, but not if this mix up is their reason for doing so.

[charter]

I don't get how my "mix up" is a) anyway my fault (as 'scum team' has only ever had 1 meaning I've seen) or b) scummy.

I already explained both how you are interpreting it wrong and how the extent you're pushing it is scummy. Ignoring that won't magically make it disappear.

I still like my moose vote. VI or no, he could really stand to at least try to think for himself.

I feel the same way about you, you've done absolutely no thinking whatsoever, whether copying someone else's or your own original thought.

Now Gonnano is voting RBT townlurker over Jimfinn scumlurker. Also it seems like he's giving up on Rabies now that everyone has told him he's wrong. Looks like a backtrack coupled with an opportunistic vote. Doesn't even ask RBT any questions to get him to stop lurking.

And Jimfinn case coming tonight.

[charter]

I don't get how my "mix up" is a) anyway my fault (as 'scum team' has only ever had 1 meaning I've seen) or b) scummy.

I already explained both how you are interpreting it wrong and how the extent you're pushing it is scummy. Ignoring that won't magically make it disappear.

I still like my moose vote. VI or no, he could really stand to at least try to think for himself.

I feel the same way about you, you've done absolutely no thinking whatsoever, whether copying someone else's or your own original thought.

Now Gonnano is voting RBT townlurker over Jimfinn scumlurker. Also it seems like he's giving up on Rabies now that everyone has told him he's wrong. Looks like a backtrack coupled with an opportunistic vote. Doesn't even ask RBT any questions to get him to stop lurking.

And Jimfinn case coming tonight.

A lurker is a lurker, how can you distinguish a town lurker from a scum lurker with any sort of ease on D1?

I think that Gonnano is scum and is using lurking as an excuse to vote someone. It makes much more sense for him, as scum, to use a weak reason to vote a townie as opposed to a buddy. Why do you question me for making this discernment when Gonnano is the one who is basing RBT being scum solely on his lurking? How is it that Gonnano can discern that RBT is a scum lurker and not a town one, and why did you not ask him that?

Anyway, five days until deadline, my vote is going on whichever of Gonnano or Jimfinn has more votes. I also strongly urge those that are currently voting someone that has realistically little chance of being lynched, to change their vote to someone they also find scummy, but with a realistic chance at being lynched.

Reasons everyone should vote Jimfinn:
- Megalurking and ignoring questions at him unless you repeatedly ask
- His reason for voting LMP is LMP forgot or chose not to vote Gonanno (Jimfinn has no comment on Gonanno here, just votes LMP because LMP didn't vote Gonanno, and then promptly did after someone pointed out he hadn't voted Gonanno). Jimfinn is still voting LMP even though his reason no longer holds the tiny amount of water it initially did.
- His reads of people in 97 make no sense (before you ask me why, look for yourself to see if you agree with them, if you do, then you can ask me why)
- Active lurking like it's his job
- 243 is a sly way of setting himself up to vote either of them if the wind blows that direction
- Defends attacks by Moose by claiming Moose is holding a grudge

Basically he's given no reads on just about everyone and has left himself with zero accountability for later days. He posts often enough to do so, but his posts contain fluff, like comments about win percentage, number of scum teams, and policy lynching. Seriously, about half his posts are active lurking and zero of them are looking for scum.

I realized a lot of this stuff probably is true of RBT as well, so I went and looked at his posts, and he looks pretty bad as well, especially his post where he FOS'es LMP. It makes no sense and is just a chainsaw for Gonnano.

I've gone back and convinced myself Gonnano is the right lynch for today. Him flipping scum would condemn Jimfinn for certain, and likely RBT as his buddies.

unvote, vote Gonanno

[charter]

Five days until lynch! We need to decide who we're lynching today or tomorrow, so if people might need to compromise..

[charter]

My reason for voting LMP is that LMP made a case on Gonanno without voting him, which certainly made me feel like he was trying to act useful but not willing to apply pressure, a stance more useful to scum than to town. In other words, I found the case without vote suspicious moreso than having anything to do with who it was on.

So when he did vote for Gonanno right after, you find him suspicious and kept your vote on him because _______.

[charter]

Ok... So you've found no other instances of town appeasing or anything else scummier than that?

[charter]

Why do you question me for making this discernment when Gonnano is the one who is basing RBT being scum solely on his lurking? How is it that Gonnano can discern that RBT is a scum lurker and not a town one, and why did you not ask him that?

Jimfinn, stop ignoring difficult questions.

Note: gonnano is voting RBT. charter, explain?

I don't see how it matters much, Gonnano has given basically no reason to be voting RBT and RBT has no other votes, and right now it looks like an extremely slim chance of being lynched. RBT is the third wheel right now, Jimfinn and Gonnano are definitely buddies.

[charter]

Jimfinn has made 18 posts. Other than back and forth with me, I'd say there are 13 posts left. Of those 13, I would say he is doing some semblance of scumhunting in 2. The other 11 posts of his, I'd consider fluff or active lurking. That's what I find so scummy about Jimfinn. When most of what he's doing is arguing win percentage, scum team speculation, and just trying to placate other players.

that's because lurking is ALL HE HAS DONE.

You think that his lurking is so scummy as to warrant a lynch as opposed to someone who has posted plenty and is scummy and would make scumhunting easier in future days? To be honest, if we lynch RBT today and he flips scum, that's cool, but we won't find his buddies. And how are you determining he is a scum lurker as opposed to a town one?

[charter]

This is absolutely ridiculous. We should have already decided who to lynch. These are the people that will make a win impossible for the town: jimfinn, gonnano, MacavityLock, Enigma, Mizzy, StrangerCoug. At least two of them are almost assuredly scum just based on the fact that there are four days until deadline, and you are doing all in your power to ensure a no lynch happens.

[charter]

I've made it clear I want gonnano and jimfinn to defend themselves before I go for either. If it's crunch time, then I'll pick somebody before the deadline. I have plenty of time on the weekends.

That's fine and dandy, but the majority of people aren't going to be posting much on the weekend, and we are going to have a mad scramble on monday/tuesday. The scums will claim a PR and the townies will unvote, happens every game.

[charter]

I listed everyone who was not voting, or was the only person voting for someone. At this point, they are all wasting their votes.

[charter]

There's really no point in Gonnano claiming. He's scum. Claiming won't change what the outcome of today should be.

[charter]

Hmm, I really don't like how Mizzy doesn't want to be replaced, but doesn't want to post. Almost like shes avoiding commenting on her scumbuddy's wagon...

[charter]

So who do you think is the best lynch for today? Who do you think is most likely to be scum?

[charter]

I actually find Jimfinn scummier than Gonnano if we can swing that.

[charter]

I actually find Jimfinn scummier than Gonnano if we can swing that.

False alarm, still find Gonnano scummier.

[charter]

In other news, moose is terrible and probably scum, too. Policy lynching? What policy are you referring to? Also, are you bandwagoning him for pressure and forcing him to take a stand or to policy lynch him? Why are you even talking about lynching when there's more than a week left of the day? Or are you just trying to get someone lynched?

UNVOTE: VOTE: moose. L-2.

That's really the only thing I find scummy about PZ. He's mostly just tunneled on Moose.
Actually, when you couple it with

So you think we should lynch VI:s? Even if you think they're town (which is implied)?

which he says in his next post, he doesn't look good.

He does seem like a plausible Gonnano buddy, infrequently questioning him and claiming to be suspicious of him, but it never goes anywhere. I'd still rather lynch Gonnano, though.

[charter]

The ol' scumdar.

[charter]

Would you vote him, charter?

If he had more than one vote, I would. But we have an inordinate amount of lurkers in this game, and I'm afraid splitting votes could end bad.

[charter]

Vote: jimfinn

Best place to start the day.

I agree with this.

Vote Jimfinn

I hope nobody chimes in by claiming night actions. Very bad idea. FOS.

[charter]

No.

[charter]

If a cop or something has an incriminating result on someone, they shouldn't outright claim it. Obviously try and get them lynched the normal way before going "GUILTY LOLOOLOLOL LYNCHPLZ" and then get NK'ed. Even if we lynch someone else, I think it unwise to claim on day two. If they get NK'ed and don't claim, they should have left obvious clues if they had useful info.

[charter]

And while I'm at it, DEFINITELY do not claim if you have a guilty if you're a cop if you don't know for certain you're sane. Nothing worse than an insane cop claiming, lynching the "guilty" person then lynching the cop.

I can definitely see PZ as scum, with Gonnano actually being town. That alleviates my worries that PZ didn't make a good Gonnano buddy. However, even today, all Jimfinn is doing is active lurking.

Jimfinn and PZ, what's your read on the other?

[charter]

@charter, same question: What do you think about Rabies and his actions just before lynch time? Also, why didn't you want gonnano to claim?

I still think Rabies is the most town out of all of you, so I don't find his actions before lynch scummy, they look pretty good to me. I didn't want Gonnano to claim because I was sure he was scum, so him claiming could only save him from a lynch. Personally, I don't think anyone should claim day one. More times than not, obvscum claim a power role and then town scrambles to lynch someone for crap reasons, and unsurprisingly, they turn out town. Then scum kill off one of the supporters of the obvscum lynch, and they just wiggle their way out. Even worse is when scum claim a "confirmable" role and everyone believes them even when they fail to "confirm" themselves. Extremely rarely does a town cop or something claim day one, then actually live to get a useful result. It never happens, so why even ask for a claim?

I'll vote PZ. His last post is a lot of backtracking and playing dumb. The case on him is good.

unvote, vote PZ

Jimfinn, we're going to need you to stop active lurking and start scumhunting.

[charter]

I think Jimfinn and PZ are buddies. Both have this vague suspicion of the other, but neither has any interest in pursuing it.

[charter]

You think Rabies is town, so therefore his scummy actions aren't scummy? What if it was anyone else who'd done what he did, someone you hadn't decided was town?

What about his actions do you find scummy? I thought they were town, irrespective of my read on him.

Like you thought me and gonnano were buddies?

Saying I was wrong before as your defense is terrible, unlikely to convince anyone else you're town, and certainly won't convince me you're town.

I'm still waiting for Jimfinn to start posting. I want to vote him, but at the same time I want to vote PZ...

[charter]

Jimfinn is bussing.

[charter]

To be honest, I"d rather lynch Jimfinn over you, PZ. But, it's pretty big points against you that Jimfinn set himself up to unvote once you claim and wants to make sure you claim.

I don't think I can see Jimfinn as town regardless of your flip. At this point, it looks like you're a better scumrole, but Jimfinn is more certainly scum, so I'm going to go back to him until we at least hear from Mizzy.

unvote, vote Jimfinn

[charter]

PZ, if you want to keep my vote off of you, instead of telling everyone who is voting you they are wrong, you should tell us who you think is scum and why.

[charter]

Mizzy is obviously scum, but it's because of her total ignoring of PZ and Jimfinn, not for being Moose's buddy.

At this point, I want to lynch Jimfinn first, and then Mizzy. Both of them are clearly scum. It's possible they're trying to get in a free lynch of PZ first. To be honest, I doubt it will matter, since if we lynch those two first, PZ will get lynched the next day, but yeah. I'd prefer lynching Jimfinn first.

[charter]

No, it seems like wanting to avoid expressing suspicion of your buddies because then you will have to vote and pressure them, or it seems like wanting to avoid defending your buddies because then you just look worse when they flip scum, or it seems like wanting to avoid the issue altogether in the hopes that you aren't connected to them and wont sink on the same ship they are on. You can slice it many different ways, but none of them result in Mizzy being town.

[charter]

How is my POV in this situation different from yours?

[charter]

Yeah, that's got to be the worst defense I've ever seen. "Charter was wrong on day one, therefore he's wrong now". I doubt you would have said anything if I wasn't mentioning your name, either. It gets even worse when I'm voting Jimfinn and Mizzy agrees with his lynch, but she tries to discredit me on the basis that my scumdar is "clearly broken".

Moose looks worse with his 430 when taken into account the blastoff into outerscumspace Mizzy just did.

@Mac, the reason why I thought PZ was a better scumrole is how Jimfinn voted him for no reason, but made it very clear he wants PZ to claim, like he knows PZ can claim something juicy and avoid a lynch. It looks like a terrible distancing attempt. I'm more sure Jimfinn is scum because I have a stronger scum read on him (he's done nothing all game and I just modded a game he was in where there was definitely scumhunting from him). As it stands right now, I'm kind of waivering on PZ. I'm afraid that Jimfinn is hoping to get a mislynch in on PZ while sacrificing himself. I'm most sure of Jimfinn with Mizzy being a very close second and PZ being the third.

What do you want me to elaborate on in my ISO 67, it reads clear to me.

At this point, I want to lynch all three of PZ, Jimfinn, and Mizzy, but I am worried that only two of them might be scum, so I want to lynch those two first. That's why I'm voting Jimfinn (and would happily vote Mizzy since there isn't a whole lot going on with a Jimfinn lynch right now) and I don't think I'm going to be voting PZ.

[charter]

Mac, if you're asking why I think those three are scum, there's a lot of reasons. Some quick ones are: Jimfinn active lurking his pants off, avoiding commenting on just about everything of importance. PZ, reasons mentioned by Enigma, questionable reads as well. Mizzy, avoiding comment on Jimfinn and PZ, NK gut (she wanted SC killed since he voiced suspicion of her yesterday), virtually no voting and scumhunting other than her obsession with Moose.

Together, they all have general distancing from each other (some claims of being suspicious of the others, but other than Jimfinn's out of the blue vote on PZ, none of them have followed it up with any questioning, votes, etc.).

[charter]

Uhh, wtf

[charter]

What do you mean by scumrole? I don't understand what the difference is between "scum" and "scumrole". If you mean scum power, I don't really get your point. In the scenario where Prokhor is scum, whether or not he has a power doesn't drastically open up fake claims he could make.

Like if he is a mafia tracker, or watcher, or some other useful mafia role, claiming to see someone make an action they actually made is a hell of a lot more convincing than a generic unproven claim. There's a difference between a goon and a power role, and it does open up fakeclaims. Preserving the power roles on scumteams is hugely beneficial to them. I don't see how you don't understand this.

As for iso 67,

You can slice it many different ways, but none of them result in Mizzy being town.

I'm having a hard time understanding why Mizzy is guaranteed scum for not commenting on people who haven't yet flipped.

I'm saying that every way I look at that situation, it makes a whole lot more sense with Mizzy scum than Mizzy town. If you're seeing situations where Mizzy is town other than "Mizzy is town and totally wrong with everything she's said", then let me know, because I don't see it.

[charter]

Ok, or we could do what Mizzy is doing. Never commit so you're never wrong! Or only weakly commit to people that aren't going to be lynched! I'm pretty sure I've played with you before where you were town, and I don't recall something like this ever coming up.

I feel that all three of the reasons you're voting RBT apply to you as well, Mizzy.

[charter]

First up,

Ok, or we could do what Mizzy is doing. Never commit so you're never wrong! Or only weakly commit to people that aren't going to be lynched!

charter, you're misrep-ing. That's not what Mizzy is doing.

What do you think she is doing? I don't see anyone other than Moose she's really given a scumread on.

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I'm not sure I'm following you here. Is this under the assumption that jimfinn and I are both scum? Your ISO #67, same question, are you assuming scum?

It looks bad for both of you. I guess it's under the assumption you both are scum, I'm using it as evidence against you. Same deal as 67. Of course it's POSSIBLE you aren't scum, but that doesn't look to be the case.

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Six days to deadline, we need to start coming to some form of consensus.

Those that are not voting PZ or jimfinn need to either make a very compelling case for their vote, or get on board one of these wagons. Those that are "not voting" are absolutely doing it wrong.

Yes.

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MOD, request deadline extension because of all the V/LA's

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If you keep this up, you'll have a pretty good chance at being lynched, I reckon.

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Yeah, we totally need to be lynching Jimfinn instead of PZ.

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Who won?