Mini 1102 - Rivertown Mafia (Game Over!)

[Cyberbob]

Confirm

[Cyberbob]

Vote: Umbrage

vote: oritz

Do I really need to explain to you why self-voting is just about the worst possible thing?

Vote: ortiz1193

[Cyberbob]

Cyberbob picks out Umbrage and ortiz's self-votes. Both were obvious jokes but Umbrage started it. Cyberbob decides he's gonna vote ortiz anyways, because when you want to stifle that kind of behavior you vote for the person who followed it rather than started it, right?

I don't give a rat's arse whether they're the funniest jokes in the world. I consider self-voting to be against one's win condition and contrary to the spirit of the game no matter the context. I chose ortiz over Umbrage because I dislike numbers in usernames.

[Cyberbob]

They come in, vote un-randomly, and disappear. Don't like.

Some of us have other things to do in the leadup to Christmas other than play mafia. What an amazing thing.

[Cyberbob]

Fair enough. That's using somewhat RVS justification for a vote which wasn't RVS, but alright.

I knew I'd cop flak for choosing one over the other no matter which one I picked, figured it might as well be for a nonsense reason.

[Cyberbob]

I feel like I'm surrounded by non sequiturs none of these conversations are in any way coherent

[Cyberbob]

hi there so I'm lurking hardcore (found a quick few minutes for posting now but I'm short of time otherwise) but I will get caught up sometime tonight after I get home from dinner~

[Cyberbob]

Too much smoke and bluster and tilting at windmills. none of this "oh x was random but y wasn't so THERE" stuff is of any use, in the absence of anything substantial I'm going to stick with my ortiz vote.

[Cyberbob]

this is my VI account
get over it

Unvote, Vote: Furcolow

[Cyberbob]

Cyberbob has done nothing but RVS, defend his RVS, and complain about our posting styles.

My first vote was not ~RVS~ sorry

Cyberbob: Policy vote on Furcolow, or do you think he's scum?

Bit of both. Hiding behind a self-ascribed VI meta is something scum would love to be able to get away with.

[Cyberbob]

Yeah well check his record, he hasn't got away with it.

Good. I intend not to let him start.

[Cyberbob]

Yeah well check his record, he hasn't got away with it.

Good. I intend not to let him start.

And I'll

vote: Cyberbob

for evoking stupid anti town policy lynches.

sorry but having someone deliberately posting like a retard is one of the worst things for the town lol if you don't see why

[Cyberbob]

And to answer you, if I thought his policy push was earnest my vote wouldn't be on him. Cyberbob is smarter than to waste a lynch on someone because they aren't good players.

Yes I am. Wasting a lynch on someone who is

deliberately

not being a good player though? I'm all for that.

[Cyberbob]

I find it hard to believe you think he is doing this deliberately, seeing has he did a good spouting about how he really wants to improve his gameplay.

Meta him, this is how is plays, it's no coy.

ive done that on my alt
i dont do that on this
this is my VI account
get over it

[Cyberbob]

If I could play in 50 more newbie games I would. I don't know site policy on this, but I really would. I want to get better at this game in terms of posting and character/personal behavior.

I'd be interested to see your explanation for why he might have made the post I quoted in light of this

^ Yup real VI here guys /sarcasm

hurf

[Cyberbob]

that doesn't explain it at all sorry

[Cyberbob]

Why? I made a personal critique on him and he obviously didn't like this.

Again,meta him, he is prone to emotional outbreaks like that. Those kinds of posts are exactly what he is talking about in that statement I quoted.

If I could play in 50 more newbie games I would. I don't know site policy on this, but I really would. I want to get better at this game in terms of posting and character/personal behavior.

I still don't see how being butthurt could ever lead to the phrase "this is my VI account" but okay

Now how about you explain his amazing lack of idiocy.

Or should I say, his deliberate bad playing skills.

if he's not deliberately playing badly he is a liar (and you are defending him hardcore way to defend that guy)

[Cyberbob]

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[Cyberbob]

mafia is no fun these days it's become exactly like the shit games I wanted to get away from when I first signed up here

fucking 2009/2010 man

[Cyberbob]

I registered before you bro.

Joined: September 21, 2009

[Cyberbob]

who of?

[Cyberbob]

I don't see why unless you're up to no good!

[Cyberbob]

Cyberbob is hardcore active lurking. I agree that creating a “VI” account is really not something I, or others, would favor upon since it is an attempt to intentionally ruin others’ games. However, Furcolow’s play hasn’t set off warning signs for me, it’s not VI behavior.

I'll need a few more posts like #266 before I'm convinced of this, but I still want an explanation from him either way of why he tried to deflect criticism in that way.

[Cyberbob]

caution isn't a scumtell unless it's obvious that it's just waffling

seriously wtf do you people think (obviously not if you think caution is a bad thing)

[Cyberbob]

I'm town and I can see you flipping scum and nothing else. So yeah.

this is the most retarded thing fyi

whether he thinks anything we've said is useful or not, a lot has happened, every second person is coming out with new cases on people and there is certainly no lack of content for him to comment on.

alright then I shall go through every person and detail my thoughts on them

- ortiz1193: idiot that thinks broadcasting his townreads this early is a good idea (it's not) and is still angsty over my vote for him (he also says other dumb things)
- el simo: weird alt dude that is not stupid I guess
- ThAdmiral: like his opinions on umbrage/ortiz, not seen much else from him however
- Furcolow: either he's a VI account or he isn't - you can't use it as an excuse for something and then pretend like it's no biggie. I want some clarification on this from him before I drop the matter
- Umbrage: dumb/scummy poster that tried to pull some dipshit town read thing on me for being "detached and analytical" + buddying hardcore with el simo + defending thirdkoopa
- chamber: his opinions re: furcolow and umbrage are good but not enough to form an opinion on their own, he's been changing his vote too much to develop one line of argument fully enough
- sorasgoof: i like his posts i guess but he used the word scumdar unironically and his avatar is weird
- InflatablePie: Dumb As A Rock for thinking caution is a scumtell (i mean seriously lmfao @ that opinion) plus does other scummy shit like giving "pure town reads" on people
- Olinea: his great avatar is insufficient to make up for his posts sadly (lol @ accusing me of active lurking after making a post to avoid prod)
- Thirdkoopa: duck duck duck duck duck duck goose

Unvote, Vote: Thirdkoopa

- TheLonging: has made 9 posts

most likely scumteam atm is ortiz/thirdkoopa/umbrage imo (note that it's literally day 1 so this is nowhere near a sure thing but if I had to guess right now that's who I'd pick)

[Cyberbob]

i was referring to this being my main account, and me being a VI
...
therefore, this, my normal account, is my "vi account" even if it is not an "alt account for a vi"

this is a really weird train of thought for what looks to have been a post written in the heat of the moment but whatever

i DO NOT see why you should be interrogating
you have done NOTHING that is pro-town
you have not even been POSTING pro-town
you're not fuckin' benmage

this is a pretty strongly worded attack for a dude that's only "placeholder voting" me

I disagree
town are proven to be more reckless, scum more cautious
I can link you if you'd like.

So something that town should almost always be doing as part of good play has become a scumtell? What a shitty meta - I reject the hell out of it.

[Cyberbob]

w/e i didn't make the theory
better players than i did

ahahahahah this is the greatest rationale for blindly following a thing

and a placeholder vote will obviously be on someone you find scummy

do you know what the term 'placeholder' means (don't think you do!)

i find you scummy
im puttin my vote on you for now
and im goin to bed
good night

night )

[Cyberbob]

I'm not going to address anything Cyberbob says until he says things in a more civil tone (dumb as a rock, most retarded thing, etc.).

that's a handy excuse to be sure!

Except for one thing - my "pure town reads" on people are the people that I find are most likely to be town due to overwhelming towntells and should not, for any reason at this point in the game, be considered scum or considered for a lynch.

wow that's what that means??????


no shit sherlock. the problem with broadcasting your ~pure town reads~ is that (assuming you're town for a second) it tells scum who they can kill without being worried about eliminating a potential mislynch opportunity. it's anti-town as hell, dont do it please

Also, Cyberbob, if you find me so scummy, why are you voting for 3K?

hmm maybe because i find him scummier hmmmmm

[Cyberbob]

the problem with broadcasting your ~pure town reads~ is that (assuming you're town for a second) it tells scum who they can kill without being worried about eliminating a potential mislynch opportunity. it's anti-town as hell, dont do it please

I see your point. Although, not only am I just one player, but by making scumlists, the scum can narrow ideas down anyways... Meh, I'm not going to argue. I suppose you're right.

scumlists aren't terribly great either unless you make sure to keep in mind that there is a very high likelihood of you being wrong (and in doing so keep an open mind to the possibility of the people you are suspicious of being town) -

especially

on Day 1

[Cyberbob]

2. Cyberbob attacking IP after he switched. Defending your buddy?

hehe yup totally

Second, the whole "posting town reads is anti-town!!" is terrible. If you don't think scum can figure out who the most town players are, then you've either never been scum, or you just aren't very good at it.

It's not about figuring out who the most

objectively

town players are so much as it is about figuring out who the

town

sees as being the most townish.

Scumlists almost help scum as much as townlists with that logic.

I already dealt with this (yes they can early on if you're not keeping an open mind)

2) Not wishy-washy. As soon as I figured out what el simo was saying, and why he wasn't scummy, it made Umbrage scummy for pushing it as hard as he was.

pushing something hard that you disagree with doesn't make someone scummy per se, it makes them in disagreement with you. it only becomes scummy if you think they're doing it in bad faith (which is not always the case unless you think town players are never ever incorrect)

[Cyberbob]

hm ok then

[Cyberbob]

Cyberbob: God, his ISO is just plain nasty. He votes people for policy and doesn't scumhunt for half the game. And he also complains about the players. A lot. He's improved a bit, but not much. CONCLUSION: He's been here too long to think lurking as scum is a really good strategy. He looks more like lurking town, but I wouldn't weep at his lynch.

I complain a lot because there's a lot to complain about, hope this helps

ps "I wouldn't weep" is a nice little backhanded attack that lets you get away with casting suspicion without really putting yourself on the line. shape up scum

[Cyberbob]

ugh sorry about the slight absence, I haven't had any energy over the last couple of days with work (we're chronically understaffed)

Umbrage and Pie are both flailing really really hard to try and find a lynch that they can point to and say that they were a part of. Pie's #460 is particularly painful to read.

[Cyberbob]

So I take it no one wants to lynch CB? >_> I've been seeing "yeah he's scummy but I'd rather lynch xxx" all game which makes me think CB is scum who is just getting distanced.

Watching mafia concepts thought up by good players mindlessly regurgitated by bad players is the funniest thing.

[Cyberbob]

I don't mind being lynched

good now get out of this game

Unvote, Vote: Furcolow

[Cyberbob]

@CB - what was wrong with what ortiz said? Genuinely curious, I think he made a good point and I hate when people blow things off by just insulting someone's ability to play the game. That seemed pretty uncalled for.

Because a) for him to be correct I would need to be on a scumteam with half the goddamn game (as just about that many people have been vaguely dismissal of me) b) he's just trying to underhandedly load more suspicion onto me in lieu of an actual case or whatever and c) funny third thing

[Cyberbob]

if you're town, your post is policy-lynch on nullness and is irrelevant, especially coupled with your following post.
really a joke vote
your play is terrible

yeah righto buddy let me know when you stop saying that you want to be lynched

[Cyberbob]

cyberbob you have been both willing to push on vis and actively lurking/trolling the entire game

yeah what of it

[Cyberbob]

well, maybe that's just how you play
since you're here, care to give me a list of your town/scum reads and a brief summary of connections you have perceived throughout the game thus far?

ok with the strong caveat that nothing is set in stone especially given that it's day 1 and we don't have any reliable information to look at

ortiz/umbrage/koopa most likely scumteam atm imo, maybe pie in there instead of koopa (I'm assuming 3 scum) given his really really pathetically obvious attempts to build cases on all and sundry while playing the "oh ho ho i'm so lost and confused~" schtick but koopa has been pretty bad as well so idk

closest thing I have to a town read is on thadmiral I guess but nobody has really impressed me so far

[Cyberbob]

yeah I'm done with voting Fur for now I guess I just really

really

wish he'd pull his head in and stop saying stupid things that effectively act as smokescreening

Unvote, Vote: ThirdKoopa

Pie bussing Umbrage hard though if I thought a lynch on either of them was possible today I'd be right on them instead

don't much like el simo pushing the deadline paranoia thing + the "I want x gone but if I

really have to

would go with y" thing either

[Cyberbob]

I'd switch back to 3K now that I have more support on him, but I have a feeling you'd just switch off if I did so, so fuck it.

lmao

[Cyberbob]

Just got back from school/work, I have to eat and write an essay (two but doubt that'll happen >_>). I'll

unvote, vote soras

. Don't have time to talk much or read the last two pages yada yada but I'll check again in a few hours and make sure my votes in the right place for a lynch to go through.

lmao ortiz you best be prepared tomorrow son

[Cyberbob]

Oh we got an extension? I'm down.

Unvote, Vote: ortiz1193

[Cyberbob]

This post of Cyberbob’s slipped under the radar but HELLO HYPOCRISY.

this would be true if I was posting like a retard (which I'm not)

[Cyberbob]

because olinea posts like a champion

lmao

[Cyberbob]

I also don't like that he was trying to line up Ortiz as tomorrow's vote.

Are you happier now that I'm trying to line him up as today's? The only reason I wasn't doing so at the time was that there physically wasn't time to lynch anyone other than Thirdkoopa. The deadline extension changed that

[Cyberbob]

How do you explain your play thus far into the game, then? I would be genuinely surprised if even one player besides yourself wasn't displeased every time you posted something in this game.

me too - scum are quaking in their boots with every post no doubt

[Cyberbob]

basically im going to be voting admiral, ortiz, or zdenek
i will do so based upon how they act over the next few days.

as dumb as broadcasting your intentions like this is i would be willing to accept your presence on the ortiz wagon

[Cyberbob]

I'd be up for a lynch of CB, Soras, Pie, and I could be convinced to lynch TK because of the wagoning and connections associated with him.

You are so badly scum. I'm sorry, but you really are.

[Cyberbob]

Hey Cyberbob, you still got a question from me pending.

There's a reason I ask.

Oh right

@CyberBob. Furculow: Scum or Policy lynch?

Honestly at this point I don't know what to think of Furcolow, he says some amazingly (like,

amazingly

) dumb things and he's spreading his suspicions way too thin but I'm not really getting a gut scummy feeling there atm

[Cyberbob]

Ollie. Last two games that Furc and I were in, one still running with both of us dead, I was scum and pushed Furc as an easy lynch. Bit roughly tbh.

That's why the Q to Cyberbob. Looking at those pushing him to hang.

the thing with easy lynches is that they invariably appear as scummy to townies as well (that's why they're considered easy)

if you're going to suspect everyone who pushes for someone's death just because you did it as scum in another game you're going to end up with a lot of mislynches.

[Cyberbob]

It's mafia. We're going to end up with a lot of mis-lynches anyway unless scum really screw up. Nature of the beast.

Allow me to rephrase: a lot of mislynches for no good reason

[Cyberbob]

Now, I really like the look of that wagon. Pretty much every person I read as neutral-towny is on the 3k wagon, except for soras (and maybe Pie who's kinda neutral scummy, but more neutral than anything). I definitely wouldn't mind going ahead and getting 3k hammered just by the look of the wagon alone.

jesus christ