Mini 1091 Mafia Mania -- Game Over

[Antihero]

Hi Mari! Sorry I dropped out of Dresden, but the RL monster struck.

I see that four people aren't voting. This can't stand. Reread is coming, but I'm not doing a wall post.

[Antihero]

I forgive you. The RL monster is pure evil and he gets us all. Are you scum?

No ma'am, but the scum's destruction is at hand. Get your vote ready.

Speaking of which, why aren't you voting? Same thing goes for you, moose and Antmax.

Day 1 Stuff:

• Substrike's early tunneling on moose now smells fishy, especially given that moose really hadn't done anything to deserve it.
  
• How is the sudden transition from critcizing boberz for pushing a moose wagon to joining it all over the span of 2 posts not scummy, AntB?
  
• Post 90 - Having early reads is completely not a scumtell. Crappy counterattack much?
  
• Ugh, this conversation isn't going anywhere, and nobody's changing votes.
  
• Seriously, people, this isn't an MD thread. Scolding moose for playstyle isn't productive.
  
• Post 179 - Really? And you're alternative is... a nonwagon on a townish person?
  
• *groan* I didn't know I replaced into a newbie game.

If I had to pick now, I'd say AntB and boberz are the scum.

I'll be back after I finish punching the mirror in my bathroom.

[Antihero]

I'm not sure what's so stupid about max's last comment.

Here, let me articulate what I don't like about you: you actively detracted from a scumwagon and promoted a really poorly founded vote.

[Antihero]

Alright, let's finish this painful readthrough.

I know hindsight is 20/20, but the beefster lynch was a sad thing as I have yet to see a great justification for it.
AntB emerges from Day 1 looking the worst w/ the crappy attacks on beefster and the "if I die overnight" act.
Reaction to Mari = scum; I saw where he said he was going to tell us where Mari was "misrepping" but that never actually materialized. The "buddying" thing is also pretty lame.
The immediate backing off of Mari when moose claims a result is pretty telling to me. The idea of GF didn't even cross his mind? Whenever I see something like that as town, I don't tend to back off so easily (maybe that's just because I'm an overconfident asshole though).

I'm not a fan of boberz or max, but I think AntB is the optimal lynch today as he is far and away the scummiest.

Mari,
As for Dekes, he's one of the most townish people alive. I hate the beefster vote, but everything else he writes seems reasonable and well thought out.
As for boberz, he did some stuff early on that I didn't like (poo poo the substrike wagon for no reason), but I'd much prefer a AntB lynch.

VOTE: AntB

This is L1. No one hammer until we hear a claim.

[Antihero]

Nope, I just said I had nothing to claim...

@Antihero
There's also the possibility of a naive investigation. A cop clear for now doesn't leave much to go on and I would press anyone pushing a godfather case.

Anyone else find the first part odd?

A naive Jack of All Trades?

That's kind of beside the point. My issue was that his willingness to abandon his position makes me question how genuinely he held it.

By the end of today I'll throw my vote on AntB. Unless you guys want to wait around for Moose's replacement.

Hm, it's things like these that make me seriously question my reads.

UNVOTE:

Reading through your ISO, I really don't see you having much issue with AntB all game, and now you're swooping in for the lazy hammer? Why do you think AntB is scum? Any other scumspects?

[Antihero]

Here's a nice bit of WIFOM for ya. If Max is scum and Ant is town, he could have hammered and put us in LyLo tomorrow, but he didn't.

I've never seen scum quickhammer to

get

to LYLO. That sounds like suboptimal play to me.

@Antihero:
So if I had kept up the pressure despite a cop clear on Mariyta you wouldn't be suspicious of me?

Well, no. I would have expected more of a disgruntled "ugh, fine" response rather than a kind of apologetic and hasty one you gave.

Don't write off AttM as scum when I flip, I just get the feeling he isn't paying close attention..

Wait a second, I thought you were "calling him as scum" last page.

[Antihero]

To save all of us time maybe look at recent events first. I think, the opinions and the suspects of the rest of the people are pretty much dead set at the moment.

Well, hold on, wait a second.

Did anyone else think it was weird when max came in and said "hai gaiz, hammertime!" and didn't have a problem with the lynchee...ever?

Am I crazy? Mari, what do you think?

[Antihero]

Why'd you quote me on that one?

Anyway, to clear up any suspicions towards ATTM, this is not a scumpost. Ever.

Because you used "pretty dead set," which I actually think is a pretty accurate description, and that worries me.

I disagree with you that the post you linked me to clears max, BTW.

[Antihero]

How do they not make sense with a townie's perspective?

minimalistic, nonoffensive approach = not townish

Fine. I give up. UNVOTE: boberz, VOTE: AntB

If you truly think the Ants are partners, I suggest blocking Max. Of course, WIFOM will ensue anyway as we discuss whether the mafia decided not to kill because they wanted to implicate Max, but even if that's the case, his mislynch would give us an extra day and more information.

P-edit: As many of you will read this wrong and assume I'm saying I don't think Max is scum, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. I'm saying IF he flips town tomorrow, not when.

Could you please summarize why you want boberz lynched, please? I feel like you're throwing in the towel here, and that's bad.

[Antihero]

VOTE: boberz
I don't think we need to discuss anything today.

Um, not even who Xtomx roleblocked?

[Antihero]

I'd like to hear from everyone other than Mariyta on the following:

• What do you think I did (or didn't) do with my roleblock last night?
• Do you think the mafia submitted a no-kill last night?

Thank you.[/quote]
1. The fact that you're asking this is giving me the feeling you didn't use it at all. The only confusing scenario I can think of is if you used it on Mari...
2. They would have to bank on you not RBing any of them. Probably not.

[Antihero]

agh, screwed by the scum no-kill yet again.

Fuck my life.

[Antihero]

P-edit: Very interesting response by Antihero...

Lie to Me Mafia

In my mind, Xtomx being scum is very minimal since the werewolf kill actually happened and no one else claimed it. Scum just gambited, and it worked.

And I'm so sick of everyone always acting like everything is my fucking fault. What the hell did you expect? Everyone to just play along and not question your motives at all? You come into a fairly scummy spot, then choose to HIDE your RB from town when it's information that everyone is waiting for. Jesus. I give up. I'll come on and sheep when I need to sheep, but aside from that, I'm done.

*hug*
Breathe, Mari, breathe.

P. Edit - From my POV, ant looks the worst from yesterday, but I think that might be a property of the hammer voter. I'd have to actually look when I have more energy.

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Antihero

Vengekill: Mariyta

Bye-bye everybody!