First off, a claim, since there appears to be an eagerness to lynch me. I'm a Vanilla Townie. Not a groundbreaking claim, but it's the truth.
Analysis time, and some responses. Starting at page 8.
CrazyQuestions wrote:By popular petition, I start with Shadow. I continue later.
SHADOW
1. Parrots my words attacking IS in his first post. I read his vote on me as a joke, but mixes a serious criticisms with a fun joke.
2. He moves into clarifications with me and empty discussions with Empking, including ridiculous extreme arguments like depicting Empking as someone who already found scum in 10 posts. Shadow can perfectly be interested in slow play, but in that case and thinking as I do, where is he trying to get hints or reads? Which players is he targeting or studying?
3. When pressured to participate after lurking, he mixes a "defence" of lurking as null-tell with an attack to the player who favours wagoning lurkers (Grey) at the same time that Grey has disfavoured the player with whom Shadow is discussing (Empking). In his last post, he parrots me again as I pointed out in my summary how IS' case is just one observation (that is not even his).
1. I have no problem with this criticism. I don't like that you called it parroting, but it's understandable that you see it that way.
2. You call my argument "Extreme" and "Ridiculous", but Empking did actually say that he thought he had found scum in his post, roughly 10 pages in. I am interested in slow play, as it's easier to analyse. I'll summarise my reads later in this post.
3. Once again, not liking that you call it parroting, but I'll live. Same point as point 1.
I didn't try to defend lurkers, I just think that certain players are/were trying to push a lynch on lurkers, which is an easy lynch to push, and rarely finds scum this early in the game.
Erratus Apathos wrote:You know why you see me as not scumhunting? Because both Shado and IS are flat out not responding to the cases on them. Shado isn't explaining why he's not scum hunting, and IS isn't answering shit. I'm scum hunting; they're refusing to be hunted.
Now Shado is just resorting to ad hominem.
Apologies to IS for telling him to fuck off, but I was feeling a little stressed at the time, and I forgot the main rule of Mafia (Have fun). It won't happen again. However, as you said, I wasn't responding to the cases against me, so I'm doing that now.
Empking wrote:Your being scum is condition on Shado being scum.
This is a dangerous statement to make, because while alignment flips are useful for making connections between players after someone flips, some people could use this the other way, and clear certain people as town based on a flip of a town player.
CrazyQuestions wrote:GREYICE
2. His attacks tend to focus on those players who "favoured" him (calls longing buddier, Shadow lurker), and takes the side of Empking. He does not expose any theory on what he was expecting to happen from his funny thing, which sounds bad. And quickly he moves into lurkers (saporo).
IS is attacking without any coherence and does not let even answer (and Erratus is suspecting of IS)
RE: GreyICE: I see that point as GreyICE possibly trying to get closer to his attackers so they don't attack him as much.
RE: Point 2: QFT.
GreyICE wrote:Expected, Crazy? I expected to be on L-2 with a wagon formed and waiting for me with pointed questions. Would have been interesting, I get soooo much information out of wagons. I'll tip my hand at this point, that was my goal. It's hard to do, because you want to do something that's insane, but not specifically scum (you get much less information out of wagons that are formed because the victim has just been mimicking total scum).
I have no idea why anyone would defend me rather than wait for me to defend myself, my actions can at best be described as 'eccentric.' Which, well... they were
Sounds like a town gambit to me, now you've explained it.
Crazy: English isn't your first language is it?
I'd also like an answer to this. Your posts are sometimes quite confusing to read. No offence intended.
El simo wrote:SWs most recent post makes me want to move my vote from Grey to him, I believe town would reacted to IS by improving their play so IS wouldn't have a point, SW is just complaining about real life and saying IS is wrong.
I'm attempting to improve my play now, as I say, I'm trying to put my RL stuff aside for now, and play this game properly.
ConfidAnon wrote:ShadoWolf, 101 wrote:They don't make me uncomfortable, I just think the accusations levelled were brought up too early in the game.
And, according to this, when in the game would be an acceptable timeframe for accusations?
Day 2, at least. Or at least a week after we began. Not ~20 hours. Some people have distractions come up that prevent them from putting all their efforts into Mafia.
GreyICE wrote:Empking wrote:Crazy is either both very good scum (the large posts of reading people) and rather awful scum (the angering IS and the like) OR he's town. Oh yeah somebody needs to vote Shado.
With two different lurkers and pergolwtf and the general tone of posters you want him at L-1? And you didn't announce this, begging for the ninja hammer?
This is... The scummiest thing I've seen this game.
GreyICE wrote:And I don't give a shit ever who says I'm scum. Anyone can check my meta to see that. I call trying to cause a ninja quicklynch scummy.
QFT.
Internet Stranger wrote:Crazy: WTF?!? I'm not pressuring Shado?? Lol wut?!?
I have a vote on him. I'm top of the god damn mountain calling for his lynch. What are YOU doing. You're stalling!
Stop asking for more proof, for more evidence. Shado doesn't post anything useful. Its all one excuse after another and namecalling from him. THAT is my proof, THAT is my evidence. So sod off, I'm doing my job! My vote isn't compromised, its on a very likely scum! You haven't even voted for him, you're making as many whiny excuses as he does. Grow a sack a drop a vote.
Don't use your misdirection tactics as evidence that you're somehow helping. All your observations are meaningless. All you're doing is adding wet garbage to the fire.
As much as it pains me to say it, he's right. He is pressuring me, probably the most out of anyone here. However, I hope this post proves that I can in fact post something useful. While I do see IS as somewhat town (scum wouldn't push this hard), pressuring for an L-1 vote on me is somewhat scummy.
CrazyQuestions wrote:God IS wrote:
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God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?. Nietzsche.
While I can appreciate the works of Nietzsche just as much as the next man, this is so irrelevant it pains me to respond to it. Try to keep on topic, CQ.
TheLonging wrote:ShadoWolf wrote:I'm at L-2, right? Sound like a time for a claim?
L-1's are best times for claims.
Well, I've claimed now, as I feel that a quickhammer would happen if I waited for L-1.
Unvote
(thought I did this a while back)
Scumreads in another post, this one's becoming long-winded at best.