Mini 1117 - Manhattan Special - [GAME OVER]

[GreyICE]

Oh look! I'm the first one posting. This means that I'm the last one to send in confirmation, because I was busy talking in the quicktopic and didn't want it ruined.

VOTE: GreyICE

[GreyICE]

Wait, shit, no, that doesn't make any sense. I want to talk to these people a little longer. Oh well.

Unvote

Vote: Pergol

Pergol is scum, he was busy talking to me in the quicktopic just now. It makes it obvious.

Hey mod, thanks for this really useful quicktopic link, it makes it easy to find all the scum.

[GreyICE]

Well, first as people have noted, I'm not a fan of the RVS stage. I'm especially not fond of it because scum have the ability to night talk before it, and now can predict things and act in ways that allow them to maneuver through reasonably easily. Because day 1 is the most unpredictable time for scum (they gain more control after this with NK) I figured I'd end the RVS, and see how wagons come together.

Second, Pergol has the least experience. He's the most likely to pull a "no you weren't!" slip, so if I was going to do it, it would be him. Also, I want a goddamn read on Pergol. He likes to lurk. Figured this would force him to post. No luck, and honestly looks like the game is getting a replacement there.

I'm honestly shocked that no one is even listening to Emp. I'm obviously ignoring this thread. There's no point in seeing how a wagon comes together if you get in the middle disrupting things. What would be the point if I started spamming the thread immediately? But everyone dismissed him out of hand. Goddamn why? Doesn't even make any sense.

Finally, there's like more penis measuring contests in this thread than I feel comfortable reading through. A few more and this thread could qualify as gay porn.

Now, who is the scummiest? Well, Longing could be buddying me (why would he think I'm town? Why defend me?). But Shado isn't only buddying me, he's doing nothing to actively scumhunt, and complaining about the accusations flying around.

Unvote: Pergol

(unless he doesn't replace out. SOOOOO Putting that right back if he does post here)

Vote: ShadoWolf

What makes you so uncomfortable with accusations, Shado? Scared they have substance in them when they're directed at you?

[GreyICE]

To derail this debate, what does everyone think about lynching lurkers? Because...

Unvote

Vote: Saporovirus

[GreyICE]

To derail this debate, what does everyone think about lynching lurkers? Because...

Unvote

Vote: Saporovirus

Or we can lynch scum.

I never saw this post by Grey until Emp quoted it, and I don't like it one bit. There is a lot of discussion going on, there is no need for us to halt everything and vote lurkers at this point in time, all it will do is stifle discussion and make this game inactive.

This looks like typical scum trying to be pro town.

vote: GreyICE

Still going to comment on other discussion gimme a sec.

Oh FFS there's so many people involved in that dick measuring contest that if they were all scum we'd be in LyLo right now.

I'm tired of towns that fight with eachother and let people slide with a single line "oh hai gaiz chekin
in bbl" for pages and pages and pages.

Then it turns out they've been NKing everyone and sliding because they're 'really busy.'

I'm not going to let lurkers lurk our town into the ground, and I've already stated the other major sinner I'm 95% on replacing out.

[GreyICE]

Then take that up with the mod. Dont punish us with scummy play.

That's really fucking rich coming from you.

[GreyICE]

So scum hunting is a dick measuring contest and lurker voting is pro town, have I got it right Grey?

So lurkers are pro town, is that about right el simo?

Hunting scum is pro town. Not sure WHAT the Charlie foxtrot on page 1, 2, and 3 is. Started when emp declared a 50 man scum team and rolled from there. Not singling you out, but there is no fucking way IS or the longing is really helping much right now. I read it as a mostly town CF though (but people should answer questions... Hmmmmm)

[GreyICE]

Okay, blah. I like this game and want to give it the time it deserves, but I feel like there's quite a few people who haven't even joined the party. Where's Pergol? What's the person who my vote is sitting on doing? ConfidAnon is what now? I mean seriously, we could have 1 scum playing ball with us out here and two hiding in the lurkers to see which way the winds are blowing. Hell, this could be an all-town bash.

Come on people, not forming wagons until I see who is joining us. Call that anti-town if you will, but I've found that scum behavior on wagons is not readable if scum AREN'T POSTING.

[GreyICE]

Come on people, not forming wagons until I see who is joining us. Call that anti-town if you will, but I've found that scum behavior on wagons is not readable if scum AREN'T POSTING.

How can you extol the virtues of reading scum behaviour on wagons when you refuse to form one?

If you're asking me what is best wagon, easily EMP by a mile. He's acting quite odd with the "I nailed the entire scumteam" jazz. Sure. The lurkers are still scummy.

I think wagoning a lurked gets us more though. Both the 1 shots are scummy.

[GreyICE]

It might be my bias but this looks like coaching to me. Any thoughts?

What, in all you have seen of me, gives you the idea that Shado would be coaching me? He wants me to act predictably and in a way he can read, I'll give you that.

I'm not voting for you, by the way, because you do not read 'scum' at the moment, you read 'null, with a side of crackers.' I don't vote for people who I really don't think are scum. You're the only person to do a real investigation into me, you're the only person trying to form a wagon, I might not LIKE how you're doing it, but you don't read scum and I don't vote people that I wouldn't be happy to see lynched. Your wagon is the best wagon, but I think they're all kinda fail, and want to see one go through on a better target. I'm no fan of the failwagon.

Substrike reads town to me. Shado... I'm trying to overcome enormous bias here, since I'm in

[REDACTED - ONGOING GAME]

and his behavior there was... Right now, I'd say townish, for Shado.

So scum hunting is a dick measuring contest and lurker voting is pro town, have I got it right Grey?

So lurkers are pro town, is that about right el simo?

Nope lurking is a null tell.

LURKING IS NOT A NULL TELL.

Think about it. On average, Mafia is around 25% of the town. That means 1 in 4 posters are scum. Now go through past completed games, and find how many lurkers were scum. You'll find it's much, much more like 1 in 2. On day 1, for successful mafia, it's a lot, lot higher. Check out the mini normals, watch scum start contributing on days 3, on days 4, even on days 2. Watch the ones who post a ton on day 1 get fingered and die.

Why? Lurking gives you a host of benefits as scum. There's no time for scumslips. If you don't post anything, no one will find anything scummy that you posted. You don't have to commit to a wagon until you're sure it's going well, if people don't like your behavior you can slide by, and if the town is full of arguing personalities, you get overlooked. And in the early game, you have no control.

Late game, you've killed people. You've had pages to know how people think. Those who you are worried about are very likely dead. You can get more, and more, and more prolific.

LURKING, ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLY GAME, IS A SCUMTELL.

No, it's not a certain one. Not by any stretch. But 25% of early game lurkers are scum, the way a null tell statistic woud say? Not hardly. I'd say more like 1 in 3 or 1 in 2.

[GreyICE]

This means I have the second biggest, just how the ladies like it.

NON-GAME RELATED VOTE. Consider it a change in my "random vote". You are not in my list of suspects. If you have a doubt about why i am voting you, then I am sorry, you are lost for society.

vote EL SIMIO

Hmm, I'd consider joining the wagon on 'people with no taste or sense.'

But there'd be so many targets to choose from.

Oh, for the day when I pull serial killer... It shall be a grand one.

[GreyICE]

Because you're scum buddies.

TL: If you deliberately ignore the thread in order to avoid answering uncomfortable questions then: Yes. That would be a point out of your favour.

I was avoiding the thread because I wanted to see how the wagon on me formed. Who pushed it, who fence sat, who voted while FOSing others, who defended me, who lurked, etc. It was my intention to post again when I was at L-2 and had some really good data.

I'm not sure where that wagon went...

[GreyICE]

On scumtells. There's certain ones and noncertain ones. In a newbie game, when the doctor dies, and someone says "The cop should breadcrumb his results" they're scum and should die. Then there's less certain ones - trainhopping, general lack of care who lives or dies, forced logic, seeming foreknowledge of flip results, etc.

Lurking is in the second category. It's not any scummier than opportunistic trainhopping (I've seen posters hop from train to train just because they're being really indecisive) but it doesn't make me happy, happy at all.

Anyway crazy, I think we're in agreement.

[GreyICE]

I feel so fine with where my vote is sitting right now, you have no idea.

[GreyICE]

GreyIce: stop being silly. I logged in on Tuesday and I logged in just now. That's not called "lurking," that's called "having a life." I suspect you might have one of those yourself, since you've also been accused of "avoiding" the thread. Nice try though.

No. He really was avoiding the thread. How is that up for debate (or used as anumition against me rfor that matter) any more.

Does it look anything like he skimmed the thread really quickly to get me off his back?

Why yes. Yes it does. Yes oh yes it does.

[GreyICE]

Actually I didn't skim the thread really quickly, I skimmed it moderately quickly.

BUT THANKZ 4 REACHING.

Um, okay

<-Vote not moving

[GreyICE]

Fourthly, EMP's play on p.6 continues to press me as scum. People who revert to calling lurkers scum this early in the game are usually scum who are attempting to pin suspicion on the people who aren't here to defend themselves. It happens in almost every game I've played. Someone calls one of the lurkers scum and throws a vote their way, usually putting them into a position where they cannot defend themselves without looking scummy. While I agree that lurking is, eventually, a scum tell, I believe that early in the game it is a null tell. I believe that the true scum tell here are the people that are focusing their attention on the passive lurkers as opposed to the active players. Don't have time to list them off right now but I'll be back later with a list of them. Guarantee at least one scum is on the list.

Oh no, early game bandwagons have lurkers on them.

Want me to start popping through the archives and finding you examples of scum that lurked most of day 1?

Hell, I'll grab the first two:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&t=15589

Nexus: Hmm, missing days at a time. Turbo lurk
Zdenek: Yep, one liners and turbo lurk
Netopolis/Chalie: Turbolurk

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&t=15645
Carrotcake: LUUUUURRRRRKKKKK
Jase: Oh my god, an actual day 1 contributor. Well, in terms of content post #s. Yep, totally does finger lurkers, they're easy targets. BECAUSE THEY'RE OFTEN SCUM.
Llamarble: Like... prolific! Nice going!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 51&start=0
Jmurph3: Really prolific! Uh... day 2. Like 4-5 posts on day 1. LUUUURRRRRKKKKK
Cogito: 7 posts day 1. LUUUUUUURRRRKKKKKKK
Third scum replaced so often I'm going to ignore the slot.


So, first three days, good day 1 strategies? LUUUUURRRRKKKKKKKK

[GreyICE]

By the way, Grey, I played in the game with CES and Jmurph so I'm well aware of what happened that game. Just because something happens a given # of times doesn't mean it's a reliable tell. There are other games where scum go super-active to avoid being accused of lurking, making proverbial mountains out of other people's molehills. That's what EMP is guilty of right now.

I am aware that scum don't always stay under the radar. But the thing is, it takes lots and lots and lots of skill to make 30 posts day 1, run up wagons, make cases, clear buddies... all while not giving away that every case you're making is hypocritical, because every case you're making is biased by the knowledge of how the flip will turn out. It's like being in a discussion with a reading group about who the killer in an

Agatha Cristie

novel is... when you already read the back of the book and know how it turns out. Then doing it book, after book, after book.

Oh and to make it more complex, your sole goal is to make the group agree that the most likely killer in each book is someone other than the real killer.

Some people can navigate those discussions with ease. Most will trip on their foreknowledge. The safest way to win is... not to play.

Of course percentages mean nothing in individual cases. 75% of lurkers could be scum and if we got a little lucky, we'd have not a single lurker flip scum.

But also, the scum who lurk? Are the scum who are least comfortable that they can navigate the discussion successfully. And they'll trip themselves.

Wanna play the game with me,

Saporo

? See how natural your reads are? See if you can disguise the fact that you know the outcome of every flip? Or see if I'll catch that? See if I'll miss it, and other, better scumhunters will catch it? Come on. That's not fear eating away at you, is it?

[GreyICE]

Vote: Grey

- Caimed scum then redacted it. Not a random vote.

Direct contradiction to point 4 above where you claim it was a part of RVS. You're a liar. Anyone for Lynch All Liars?

Sub, is that a "lie?" It's a contradiction, yes, but contradictions aren't necessarily lies. I may vote for a politician, say he's the best choice for office. Six months later I may say that his opponent was a better choice that election. Did I lie the first time? The second time? Or are the two opinions merely contradictory? It is no character flaw to be swayed by evidence and reason.

EMP:

1) What have I done to change your mind?

2) If I have done nothing, which arguments were convincing enough that you changed your mind?

3) How do I currently read?

[GreyICE]

Grey, you misunderstand. You're still scum its just that when I made my original post my original post it was merely slightly better than random. I call that part of the RVS, myself.

True randomness is a phenomena that barely exists in this universe. For something to be truly random, it must meet criteria above and beyond those things that we call chance. Random.org uses the later digits readings of noise in the atmosphere picked up by radio. Switzerland has a laboratory that picks up radioactive decay of molecules to achieve true randomness. And even those can't be proven to be truly random. What we call "random" merely means we are not properly inquiring into the reasons.

EMP:

1) What have I done to change your mind on me?

2) If I have done nothing, which arguments were convincing enough that you changed your mind?

3) How do I currently read, and why am I not your vote if I am scum?

[GreyICE]

Expected, Crazy? I expected to be on L-2 with a wagon formed and waiting for me with pointed questions. Would have been interesting, I get soooo much information out of wagons. I'll tip my hand at this point, that was my goal. It's hard to do, because you want to do something that's insane, but not specifically scum (you get much less information out of wagons that are formed because the victim has just been mimicking total scum).

I have no idea why anyone would defend me rather than wait for me to defend myself, my actions can at best be described as 'eccentric.' Which, well... they were

[GreyICE]

Also, well, Pergol. I'm just going to leave it at that, the forum has a search for user's posts feature, and I wanted a response out of him.

[GreyICE]

Oh, and not getting too specific, because I know there's history, but if you do the same thing here as elsewhere, we are having serious, serious words.

[GreyICE]

@Mod: Please confirm status of Pergol situation. If he's responding to prods, wonderful, that's all I need.

[GreyICE]

Town on town? How the hell are you getting that read?

Null on loud, that I'll buy...

[GreyICE]

Crazy is either both very good scum (the large posts of reading people) and rather awful scum (the angering IS and the like) OR he's town. Oh yeah somebody needs to vote Shado.

With two different lurkers and pergolwtf and the general tone of posters you want him at L-1? And you didn't announce this, begging for the ninja hammer?

Unvote

Vote: EMP

This is... The scummiest thing I've seen this game.

[GreyICE]

You are scummy because you just asked people to keep voting him in a game with three total blanks and a ton of activity. KEEP voting, as if he's at L-4 or L-3...

No. That makes sense that it's scummy. You respond by attacking me back? Nice. Can you explain your actions?

[GreyICE]

And I don't give a shit ever who says I'm scum. Anyone can check my meta to see that. I call trying to cause a ninja quicklynch scummy. Because it is. Will read more EMP ISO and meta when I get real computer back.

[GreyICE]

Crazy, given your meta, I'm going to assume you're the village fucking idiot, and ignore all the shit you spout at all times, ever, in every game we ever play together.

[GreyICE]

Your nonsense is a null tell. It follows no rhyme, reason, path, or sanity. I will not attempt to follow its twistings, nor meander down the WIFOM of what any particular twist or turn means.

[GreyICE]

Just taking a break due to shit in other games, be back sunday-ish.

[GreyICE]

I'm here. Other than CQ is anybody willing to vote Shado?

I'd honestly rather vote for scum. See how my vote remains on you?

[GreyICE]

Tres true, scum.

[GreyICE]

I do understand why you don't want a prolonged discussion of your scumminess and want to go back to your town wagon.

But I don't. You're scum.

[GreyICE]

You still want two more votes on an L-2 wagon On a fairly likely towni. Scummy

[GreyICE]

Pretty sure we'll be lynching town here, folks. Not at all comfortable with Shado's posts, but this has happened before, and frankly he's too goddamn incompetent to fake his incompetent behavior that got him killed last time so he can point and say "look, I always act like this as town and get lynched for it."

I'm sure IS or EMP will call me out for this, but frankly, whatever. Were I a gambling man, I would bet he flips town.

Would you bet your lynch on him flipping scum, EMP?

[GreyICE]

Pretty sure we'll be lynching town here, folks. Not at all comfortable with Shado's posts, but this has happened before, and frankly he's too goddamn incompetent to fake his incompetent behavior that got him killed last time so he can point and say "look, I always act like this as town and get lynched for it."

I'm sure IS or EMP will call me out for this, but frankly, whatever. Were I a gambling man, I would bet he flips town.

Would you bet your lynch on him flipping scum, EMP?

No because then my expectation would be 1/100 My Lynches.

Yeah, it is kinda hard to take that bet when you know he's going to flip town, isn't it?

I'd vote for you, but... wait. I am already!

[GreyICE]

Same question at GreyICE, too, now that he's joined the WIFOM argument wagon.

I think it's simple. I think EMPKing has been pretty obv scum all game. He wants a quicklynch so he can get to the night time and start killing the few people in the town who worry him, then coast to victory while CrazyQuestions alienates half the town into lynching her, IS keeps adding inches to his dick rather than playing the game (I swear, half his shit is about how fucking cool he is), and the lurkscum lurk their way to lurkery.

Shado, not happy that you think that one side or the other is scum - this could be town on town violence (even though it's not because EMPKing is scum, and CQ is town, so bah on your dumb list Substrike). But, that fits with what I've seen of you and other players, so it doesn't worry me.

Substrike, want some wine? Why would I, as scum, come in and defend a scumbuddy who is at L-1 and whose play has done nothing to suggest that he won't get lynched at some time in the future anyway? Wouldn't I do better to take the town points by coming in, making an argument of sorts out of his posts, and dropping the hammer? There's a reason they call it a bus.

You can make the argument that I'm scum and coming in to earn the town points on someone who I know will flip town. It's not a terrible argument, if you want me to be scum - but you have to unvote Shado at that point. Because he's town.

Or you can make an argument that I'm town who doesn't feel like lynching town today when there's obvscum being obvious.

Pedit: Crazy, there's no fucking way we're playing a 9:4 unless the town has more superpowers than the lovechild of Jesus and Wonder Woman. I guess it could be 9:2:2 but less setup speculation and more focus on EMPscum.

[GreyICE]

SW: What do members of the town gain by accepting that bet?

Oh yeah, I'd like to mention that I don't buy the SW is incompetent argument. That doesn't explain why SW leapt to Grey's defence (which is reciprocated by Grey), the fact that SW will make claims that are the height of inanity but only if Grey says it first and all the rest of the very compelling associative tells.

And I don't buy the argument that you're town. Because you're scum.

[GreyICE]

SW: What do members of the town gain by accepting that bet?

Oh yeah, I'd like to mention that I don't buy the SW is incompetent argument. That doesn't explain why SW leapt to Grey's defence (which is reciprocated by Grey), the fact that SW will make claims that are the height of inanity but only if Grey says it first and all the rest of the very compelling associative tells.

And I don't buy the argument that you're town. Because you're scum.

Still monotone but I'll bite. What argument that I'm town?

I have no idea. I've read your ISO. I've read your posts. You do contribute a lot, that's more town than scum usually, but what you contributed... jesus. There isn't a bit of it that makes a lick of sense. I don't see any argument that you're town.

Post #180 for instance doesn't even come close to making sense in this or any other universe. You're chip-on-the-sholdering anyone who gets near you.

But lets say I humor you. Lets say you're town. Why are you pushing the Shado bus so hard when you're not certain he'll flip scum? Just... why? What is the point of pushing this wagon to the level you have, and then backing off at the last second? Aren't you sure it will yield results? Or did you push around for a few vulnerable targets, and then decide to lynch them in whatever order?

I mean is this even sensible? You'll push this bus to his death, but aren't certain he'll flip scum?

[GreyICE]

And I don't buy the argument that you're town.

What argument that I'm town?

I have no idea

Oh please, you've made several posts insisting you were town, and I STILL don't buy that there's any argument. You don't want to respond to what I'm saying? Ooh, go do a post #180 and criticize my grammar mistakes. Scum.

[GreyICE]

CQ. most closed normal games on here have 3 scum. Ask anyone here, or go look up three or four games on the mini normal list and you'll see. I've never actually played in a mini normal that didn't have three scum.

Secondly, regarding the fence sitting, I'm not choosing a side yet because I'm analyzing relationships, Shadow. You're not really in a position here to make demands of me choosing sides at this point, because now you're starting to act just as scummy as Emp. For that reason, I feel confident in this hammer. Regarding the Sorrow thing I'm debating either switching my vote to Emp or hammer Shadow, based on the discussion I'm currently having with Shadow. That's why the vote didn't move in that post. The "Lurker?" also can apply to him though, if you're looking for consistency.

GreyICE that is indeed some delicious wine in post 333.

Shadow you're not really in a position to demand me to take a side. Your play, if you are town, has been far below optimal, at best. Your last second vote on Emp looks like an unjustified, kind of randomly excused way to attempt a last-minute counter wagon. While this is a null-tell, the manner in which you did it is extremely suspect. In fact, if Emp was not such a scum read to me (entirely independent of your "wifom" point above), I would hammer you for that post outright. I indeed may.

It's self preservation because you're attempting to pull a rabbit out of a hat and then accuse that rabbit of being mafia just because the rabbit didn't want to bet on whether or not you could make it disappear again. Then you're trying to work that into a much bigger deal then it should be. I do think Grey has a point, however, that Emp might've been hedging his bet by saying he wasn't sure. However, I can honestly say that I express my own doubts when I am town and asked to "predict" something. At the end of the day there's really only one way to find out, unless you're scum. Under your logical reasoning, it is just as scummy for someone to predict that someone is town, or someone is scum, because if they're correct, then tomorrow you'll be saying "Oh, look, he got it right, he had information we didn't, lynch him, lynch him!"

And for whomever asked me for my read on El Simo, it's not a scum read so that's all you need to know at this point. Simo is also hard to read at the moment because most of his posts involve his moving. Something is off about him, from my previous game with him, but I'm not calling that a scum-tell

at this time

. Not going to give people shopping lists on whom I think is town.

UNVOTE: MS
VOTE: ShadoWolf

p-edit: Ninja'd by the above 6 posts.

Well, you just dropped the fucking hammer, so looks like we get to see whose right. I guess I can't complain too much, he's been fucking worthless, but I still think you just lynched town. Good goddamn job. Egg on my face if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

[GreyICE]

I can lynch you though, because you're fucking scum.

So, EMP, it's hammer time. We're just waiting for the flip. I'm still defending my scumbuddy here in your book, right?

Wanna take my bet on how the flip will turn out now?

[GreyICE]

Shado's been playing like a scum, even if he's town. Especially that behavior when the wagon started piling up, with the last minute push on Emp. That's what tipped the scales for me. That strikes me as a scum scrambling to save himself. When I was writing about that it's what convinced me to drop the hammer, plus the fact that he asked how that was related to self-preservation was just a "facepalm" moment for me.

I've been pushing for EMP to die ever since I realized that he's been trying for exactly this outcome for pages. Lets see how the flip goes. But justifying that he's been 'playing like scum even if he's town' is weak. You just got about +20 Vollkan points from me if he flips town, and I don't say that lightly.

But lets say he flips scum. Outside of me ( ), whose his most likely scumbuddy?

[GreyICE]

EMP, no fucking point in making the case today now that there's a hammer. What are we going to do, have a second lynch? Nooooooo.

[GreyICE]

Oh goodie, lets all fucking huggles the Emp. Yeah, people are calling me scum, better pretend there's a shot of me getting night killed, NKs are soooo scary for townies... wait until my darth vader powers kick in muahahahaha

[GreyICE]

Also, Shado is seriously scum? The fuck?

[GreyICE]

Oh goodie, lets all fucking huggles the Emp. Yeah, people are calling me scum, better pretend there's a shot of me getting night killed, NKs are soooo scary for townies... wait until my darth vader powers kick in muahahahaha

The rhetoric is empty in this one.

You so deserve the rope this game.

[GreyICE]

Oh goodie, lets all fucking huggles the Emp. Yeah, people are calling me scum, better pretend there's a shot of me getting night killed, NKs are soooo scary for townies... wait until my darth vader powers kick in muahahahaha

The rhetoric is empty in this one.

You so deserve the rope this game.

Crazy, I trust your opinion,

is this empty rhetoric?

This may be the most horrifying statement I have ever read in my life.

[GreyICE]

He would also provide ideas for next day.

Ideas for next day: Everyone who insulted me can go fuck themselves with baseball bats.

Last minute distancing from Grey?

Yes, lets last minute distance as town.

Anyone wanna sing the scum song with me? EMP is scum scum, scum scum scum scum...

[GreyICE]

Quick, night kill me and then try and distance yourself from this disaster area you've created!

[GreyICE]

You? Scummy.

[GreyICE]

The scum meltdown from EMP at this point is just incredible. Seriously, incredible.

Also, el simo entered a town wagon late and seemed like it was forcedly? Eh, good point. You don't want to seem too eager on a town wagon.

Nor do you want to tie your own lynch to it, do you EMPscum?

[GreyICE]

Eh, good point. You don't want to seem too eager on a town wagon.

Forget for a moment your view on the townieness of SW. Why would a townie create the confusion he created with his role after the hammer? If you are town, stop your bias for 10 minutes. Save it for day 2.

Shado was making a joke, apparently. Oh well, I'll save it for day 2, you're right, no way we can lynch a second person today. Although it would be REALLY GREAT IF WE CAN LYNCH SOME SCUM TOMORROW GUYS.

[GreyICE]

Hey guys, this is who we left alive when we lynched Shado.

GOOD FUCKING JOB.

I almost do wish I was scum this game, I hate this town.

[GreyICE]

BAH!

Go town!

[GreyICE]

EA's play was pretty good, though.

EA was scummy as fuck, far from anything I'd call good.

That was honestly some of the worst town and scum play I've ever seen. I wish there was a way both sides could have lost.

I KNOW

I honestly did my best to appear a non-threat on day 1. I tunneled town at end of day. I claimed scum post 2. I acted erratic as fuck.

And the town play was so awesome that IS STILL thought I was the biggest threat in the town.

I dunno what the fuck...

[GreyICE]

We should have lynched Saporo day 1.

Said it then, said it now.

Lynching something who is saying ANYTHING over someone saying NOTHING is never a good idea.

[GreyICE]

We should have lynched Saporo day 1.

Said it then, said it now.

Lynching something who is saying ANYTHING over someone saying NOTHING is never a good idea.

I like how you apply I am a thing rather than a person.

I could program a bot to add more to the thread than you.

Fix that and you get upgraded from houseplant.