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Despite what you may think,Xine wrote:(double post!)
why thank you, but really it's not the size of the finger that matters so much... wouldn't you agree?Ant_to_the_max wrote:
That is a mighty big finger to be pointing this early don't you think?Xine wrote:UNVOTE:
this game is gonna be easy, obv scum=bgg1996, GreyICE, DeathRowKitty
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It's page 2,[Redacted] wrote:Your first post was a completely random vote that ignored everything happening in the thread and your next one is yet another waste of space avoiding commenting on anything happening in the game. Place a real vote, give a read, contribute in some way or die.nothing meaningful has happened in the thread.-
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GreyICE wrote:
I've read this like three times, and each time it becomes a tad more bizarre. What did you think you were saying when you posted this?Neruz wrote:
You realise that one of the three scum you 'caught' wasGreyICE wrote:Given that scum has been caught in the first two pages of RVS before, yeah. Every single thing that happens is meaningful.yourself?GreyICE wrote:Hai guyz,scumz is da guy who voted No Lynch, da guy on LA, and da guy who hasn't confirmed and iz probs flakin. BB in 12 to see if which is the easiest target.GreyICE wrote:Vote: No Lynch
I thought i might have missed something, but that was the same post in which you voted Xine, soo...-
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I find it incredibly amusing that you accuse me of making throw away remarks since that vote, when you quote one of those throw away remarks and take it seriously.
I voted Xine because i didn't like his early sweeping declaration, as you would have noticed if you'd read and quoted the entire post instead of only the part that you felt like reading. I havn't said much of content so far because there hasn't been much to say. Hiraki and Nathanael appear to be having a little slap fight, bgg pulled an early claim that is either painfully newbie town or very clever scum. Llmarble makes a good point about the early L-2 Vote, but i'm getting more of a town vibe from bgg.
Xine, on the other hand, has gone intomassivelurk mode, posting only twice in the last two pages and providing no content at all in any of her posts. Her last post, in fact, consisted of asking other players their experience. She has consistantly failed to respond at all to all the people voting her and appears to just be hiding and fervently hoping that if she ignores it hard enough, it will all go away.
Based on that and what i'm seeing from the rest of the players so far, i see no reason to move my vote. In most cases any questions or pokes i would have done, someone else got there before me, which is just par for being in Australia and thus out of synch with the rest of the western world timezone-wise.
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I have more content than you Xine, in fact i think that's the first post from you that has any content or relevance to the game so far.
You're thinking about it wrong. I don't give a wooden nickle if you're afraid to die or not, iXine wrote:1) I'm not afraid to diedocare if you're afraid that the town will do somethin suboptimal. Lynching a town player isbad, it is to be avoided, because the town does not win by lynching the town.
Are you playing to win Xine? Because if you are, you're playing for a scum win.-
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I'm getting a pretty strong town vibe from bgg. I don't really see any indication that what we see on the surface (a somewhat confused newbie) isn't what is actually there.
Barring him suddenly coming up with an elaborate ruse or plan or revealing deep and complex reasoning behind his actions, i'd say he's safe to dismiss as 'probably town' for now. We have plenty of free lynches yet if someone decides that he just must be an incredibly cunning scum running an elaborate scam.-
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Lots of vote-hoppy, a couple of pertinent questions and a bit of nonsense.
I'm not getting a particulary strong scum vibe off the measly 6 posts he has made, the vote hoppy could indicate someone amusing themselves with the RVS, or it could indicate a scum looking for a wagon that sticks. The lurking could indicate a townie somewhat out of his depth or a scum hoping to avoid notice now that the Xine wagon has been located.
Reasonable chance of being scum, probably worth poking a bit, although Hiraki's attempts so far have met with consummate failure.-
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I've always personally been of the opinion that PGS should claim at 1 lynch before lylo. Although that risks town PR's getting killed by the PGS, that can partially confirm said PGS and there's always the chance that scum will hit him.GreyICE wrote:The only things you should claim early is miller (always) and sometimes Paranoid Gun Owner (I guess, wouldn't mind some opinions on that one).
But you don't want him to wait until lylo because someone might target him the night before and then the town loses the game.
I'm not to hot on the Xine wagon anymore, Nathanael just confirmed his vote on Xine for her realising that bgg did do something rather scummy.
On the other hand, bgg is looking less and less newb town and more and more newb scum with every post. He does claim that he will come up with 'proof' that he is not scum after today, which sounds a hell of a lot like a PR softclaim, but i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what this 'proof' is tomorrow. We can always lynch him day 2.
And on the gripping hand, Surprise_Carcinogen, My Milked Eek and Ant_to_the_max have all dived into lurker mode. Ant hasn't posted since the 13th.
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Yeah, i know, but this:Llamarble wrote:Neruz thinking "Is bgg softclaiming??" when bgg has already hardclaimed seems very odd to me as well.
Sounds a hell of a lot like a PR softclaim. I don't see how a townie can come up with proof of innocence in a single night.bgg1996 wrote:I should come up with proof I'm not scum after today.-
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It's day 1, you're not trying to make him fold, you're trying to make him crinkle a bit around the edges. You poke him a little bit, find a crack or inconsistancy, poke a little harder, find some more cracks. If you find enough cracks and make a convincing case, you might get a few people to join you.DeathRowKitty wrote:
But one vote won't make scum crumble and fold.Neruz wrote:You clearly have Nath covered my man; no reason to tunnel on anyone is there :3
You don't apply pressure with the vote; the vote is to get his attention, you apply pressure with questions.
If it makes you feel any better, once i finish poking these lurkers i'll come back and join you with Nath, although marble is making a very convincing case against bgg. While i'm personally leaning more towards bgg town, i can see a possible reason to free lynch him just to get him off the table, since his situation is getting a little wifommy.-
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I've never seen scum fold on Day 1 from anything less than a heated wagon on their face.
The purpose of the questions is to find cracks in the person's responses, scummy things you can point at and build a nice shiny case to convince people like me that you're right.
I'll be glad to vote Nath, if you can convince me he's scum.-
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A day cop seems kind of unlikely in a Mini Normal, but then again a claimed day cop with a result on scum applies the same 'about to get lynched' pressure that a powerful bandwagon does, so my point stands.GreyICE wrote:I've watched scum fold day 1 from the suggestion that there might be a day cop. Panic can set in quite quickly.
I'm not sure how to respond to this, as far as i can tell you've basically just said that there is no point looking for concurrant inconsistancies and errors in a person's play.GreyICE wrote:And cases are frequently bullshit. You're as likely to catch scum from one post as you are from a big shiny case.
DRK isn't buddying me, I'm conceding that the points he is making are valid and we're having some entertaining banter. Is there something wrong with having fun while playing a game?Nathanael wrote:
well, you keep buddying up to him like you knew for sure he is town.DeathRowKitty wrote:I don't recall ever calling Neruz town (and you linked the wrong thing anyway)
faillink. I wanted to link this post.
If i was buddying DRK, i'd be agreeing with what he said and following his lead, which i am not. Every time two people agree on some points is not buddying.
Ant! Nice to see you, i'll keep the whole Monday\Thursday thing in mind. I would reccomend you at least try and post once every 24 hours, even if the post is "I'm really busy right now so i won't be able to post something useful until tomorrow." At the very least that ensures that we know youarethere, just not able to respond right now.
I also see Surprise_Carcinogen is back, but My Milked Eek remains AWOL.
Pokity poke My Milked Eek, it's posting time.
Given all that, i shall UNVOTE: Ant_to_the_max and VOTE: Nathanael for reasons that i shall now explain.
There is actually one perfectly good reason to not lynch bgg right now and that is this post;Surprise_Carcinogen wrote:Why exactly would it be a very bad thing for the town to lynch him now? I've heard plenty of reasons why my own reasoning was wrong, which I will grudgingly admit to, but I haven't heard much on the side of benefits to the town to leave him alive.
He has claimed that he will have proof that he is not scum after today. Therefore we should hold off lynching him today even if it is only to see what his proof is tomorrow. If he is unable to provide proof that he is not scum tomorrow then we will have a direct contradiction from him, which is a powerful scum tell.bgg1996 wrote:I should come up with proof I'm not scum after today.
Thus i shall vote Nathanael. I'm not quite sure he's the best lynch for today, but he's shaping up to be a pretty good one and is definitely better than bgg.
Nathanael's voting pattern concerns me. His first three votes are clearly RVS and should be treated as such, but his fourth vote for Xine came in after RVS was mostly over and wasblatantlynothing more than hopping on a wagon. I'm also disliking his interactions with Hiraki and later DRK; he doesn't appear to actually be responding to questions posed to him so much as trying to deflect them away and his logic in a couple of answers (such as the reason why he feels voting No Lynch in RVS is scummy) is questionable at best.
He also seems far too attached to Xine being scum. No-one so far has given off anything that can definitively be said is a solid scumtell so far, there is little reason why town would be attached so strongly to one player. This is doubly suspicious because he only started voting Xine for the wagon, yet is now attempting to justify that vote. Vote first, justification later is a very typical scum move as it means that if no-one notices your vote, you don't have to justify it!
The deflections are really concerning me, every time i look at Nathanael's ISO i notice more places where instead of answering a quoted question, he deflected it with a question of his own.
Nathanael:A question for you. Why,exactly, do you believe Xine to be scum? What are your reasons? What posts do you feel show scumtells from Xine and why? Please be specific.-
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Exactly, how could you possibly have hard evidence? So why would you say that youshouldhave something youcannothave?
I was willing to wait until tomorrow to see this evidence of your non-scumminess, but now that you yourself have admitted that no such evidence or proof will exist, at least not from you, i no longer see a reason to wait.-
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In a related note, it has been my personal experience that the people who do this are typically scum. Admittedly my pool of evidence is not really large enough to draw a proper conclusion, but it is a point i feel should be made.GreyICE wrote:
I like to stick people outside their comfort zone on day 1. It makes for interesting reactions. RVS is way too predictable nowadays.Xine wrote:
ok, I checked, you seem to be a good enough player and fun to be in a game with, but if you were trying to make some kind of point, I missed it.GreyICE wrote:If someone does a thread check, they'll find me in several ongoing games, one in the mini theme forum, two in the mini normal forum that are ongoing.
Tell me about that again, Xine?
what do you mean, tell you about that again? scroll back up and re-read my post.
on SC, she seems rather eager to follow other people's leads, and sheep votes
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No, people who push other players really hard on day 1 in an attempt to make them uncomfortable are,GreyICE wrote:People who play aggressively are typically scum... okay. I'm... unsure as to what to say to that.
My experience is scum usually lurk and are cautious.in my experience, scum. Typically i suspect this is because they are trying to make a town player slip up and give them some leverage.
There is no 'typical' scum play, you see all kinds, but i have very rarely witnessed a highly aggressive player on d1 being town. This may well be because of a skewed sample space, i'm not sure. I just thought it was something to think about.-
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Hm, actually i'd forgotten about that first game with Nacho. Oh well, call it knee-jerk paranoia to an ongoing game then.GreyICE wrote:
I'm pointing out the observation was totally ridiculous.Neruz wrote:So tell me GreyICE; how would 'my experience' contain a game i was not in?
And, since I'm bored and tired of this nonsense, you were in these two games, yes?
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=11658
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You'd call Nacho's play defensive in the first one?
Now compare it to the second, and compare the number of passive-aggressive attacks and fence sits he pulls in the second.
What are you even basing this meta on? If you say Parkie and Andrew, I'm just going to laugh.
I think you're really overreacting to this GreyICE; i just thought it was something to bring up, that i have often (although apparantly less often than i thought) seen early hyperaggression from scum. I wasn't attacking you or insinuating that you were scum, but your reaction to me seems way out of magnitude which leads me to think i might need to re-evaluate you.-
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Um. What? I'm trying to lynch bgg for blatant anti-town behaviour.Xine wrote:Neruz is defiantly putting himself on the line to defend bgg. this indicates to me that they are not scum together. GreyIce is very defensive, almost jumpy? I reiterate my willingness to hammer, should the vote swing that way.
The instant he made this post:
He lost all newb-town credit he had. That is not a newb-town post, that is a newb-scum post.bgg1996 wrote:Have fun at my funeral.
I'll let you know now, though, I will be laughing in my grave after the guy that you lynched because he claimed to be VT...
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A lot can be learned from night kills, but it can also be very touch and go sometimes too. Usually 'smart' scum go for safe or obvious kills, but sometimes that can actually put them at a disadvantage, which can potentially lead to getting a lot of information out of very little.Ant_to_the_max wrote:Maybe it is just me, but does the town really (usually) learn anything from nightkills? Usually it is just "oh...there goes our <insert power role>" or "oh...there goes the most pro town person"
A nightkill also eliminates a potential suspect so long as there are no confirmed townies on the table (and at this stage there arent).
Um, for a start i've already refuted that post, for an end there are no contradictions there. Redacted is accusing me of distancing myself, not contradicting myself.Ant_to_the_max wrote:[Redacted]'s post here is really good though. Enough contradictions there for me to feel better seeing him go
FoS: Ant_to_the_maxfor a nonsense vote.-
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Two primary reasons: First you contradicted yourself by claiming that you would have proof of your innocence tomorrow, which you cannot provide due to your townie claim. Second for the aforementioned threats.
The rest of your play could also arguably be pointed to, but could swing either was as newb scum or town; it's the two main points that lead me to believe the scum side.-
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You don't. You think you can get a wagon going on me and lynch me.Nathanael wrote:a) why do you think I think you are scum? Yes, this is a serious question I'd like you to answer.
I'm not actually sure, i just did a quick ISO and all it revealed is that you havn't been posting much at all, it's been too long since i made that post. I suspect i was talking about the thing with you and Hiraki, as you basically spent most of your early interaction with him dodging his posts.Nathanael wrote:b) I'd still like you to provide with the links to those questions I didn't answer you claim in post 160.
A free lynch is any day where lynching a town player does not lose the game for the town. Hence 'free'.Nathanael wrote:c) define "free lynch".
I didn't know. I knew that he had claimed townie, but i left the possibility open to that being a fakeclaim to mask a power role. He claimed that he would have proof of his innocence the following day, and as there were other scummy players around i felt there was no reason to lynch him until he provided this proof. He later confirmed his townie claim and stated that because of that, he could not have proof of innocent, which removed my reason to not lynch him.Nathanael wrote:d) was there ever a moment you thought it could be a reasonable possibility that bgg had in fact the claimed "proof of innocence"?
So to answer your question, i didn't know. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
You're a retard, i've already gone over this. If you cannot be bothered to read people's posts then don't fucking play mafia.[Redacted] wrote:Neruz on why people being aggressive D1 are scum:Neruz wrote:No, people who push other players really hard on day 1 in an attempt to make them uncomfortable are,in my experience, scum. Typically i suspect this is because they are trying to make a town player slip up and give them some leverage.
If this was real life Mafia i would actually punch you for being pants-on-head retarded right now.[Redacted] wrote:Neruz on why he left the BGG and Nath wagons as they picked up speed even though he had been expressing suspcion of them.
Hurray for cognitive dissonance!Neruz wrote:Lurkers are a pet peeve of mine. It seems like every game i decide to -not- poke the lurkers somewhat frequently, they turn out to be scum coasting to victory.
cognitive dissonance
–noun Psychology .
anxiety that results from simultaneously holding contradictory or otherwise incompatible attitudes, beliefs, or the like, as when one likes a person but disapproves strongly of one of his or her habits.
A:Nothing you quoted in those posts is contradictory or incompatible.
B:So you've learned how to read minds now have you?
[Redacted] re-hashing old arguments and tacking on fancy words to make them suddenly look legit noted. Hello scumtell.
How is this distancing myself? Seriously? This is me making a personal observation, a personal observation[Redacted] wrote:Neruz yet agian discussing theory rather then the game and still making sure that he distances himself from every statment he makes.Neruz wrote:There is no 'typical' scum play, you see all kinds, but i have very rarely witnessed a highly aggressive player on d1 being town. This may well be because of a skewed sample space, i'm not sure. I just thought it was something to think about.Neruz wrote:In a related note, it has been my personal experience that the people who do this are typically scum. Admittedly my pool of evidence is not really large enough to draw a proper conclusion, but it is a point i feel should be made.Did you fucking miss the part where i said,that i myself admit is probably not accurate or reliable., that my pool of evidence was not large enough to draw a proper conclusion.right fucking there in the post you quoted
No, you only get that if you're scum looking for an easy lynch.[Redacted] wrote:I'm aggressive towards Neruz we get musings about how aggresive D1 players are usually scum.
In future i will remember that i am not ever allowed to forget things or become predjudiced against them. I will be an emotionless robot who never makes mistakes. Beep beep boop you're a fucking retard beep.[Redacted] wrote:GreyICE catches Neruz lying during his musing about how people being aggressive D1 are scummy and how does Neruz respond?
Neruz wrote:Hm, actually i'd forgotten about that first game with Nacho. Oh well, call it knee-jerk paranoia to an ongoing game then.
I think you're really overreacting to this GreyICE; i just thought it was something to bring up, that i have often (although apparantly less often than i thought) seen early hyperaggression from scum.I wasn't attacking you or insinuating that you were scum, but your reaction to me seems way out of magnitude which leads me to think i might need to re-evaluate you.
[quote="[Redacted]I still disagree with a BGG lynch atm and will be making a post about DRK on Monday and then a general summary post about everyone hopefully Monday evening but it might be Tuesday morning before I can get it done.[/quote]
So wait, you had enough time to write all that about me, but not enough time to write something about DRK? Wow, i see you have a really convincing pile of bullshit here.
If bgg wasn't being even more retarded than you, i would be voting you right now.HoS: [Redacted]for obvious and blatant bullshittery.-
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No, i don't. Hiraki has already pointed out how stupid you're being, if you like i can do the same; you're stupid, your 'question' is stupid. I have answered why i voted you and why i believe you to be scum already, in fact i'm fairly sure i've answered that stupid question twice now.bgg1996 wrote:In other words, yes I am stupid, but you still have to answer my stupid questions.
Mafia typically hide behind stupid questions because they have to make up their scumhunting. Mafia cannot actually scumhunt because they are the scum, therefore they have tobgg1996 wrote:Also, if questions are stupid, that probably only means that the person asking them is stupid. Stupid people aren't any more likely to be mafia than smart ones, and while it may make it more likely that they are scum, it is not a good idea to suspect somebody based purely on how"f*cking retarded"they are being.createscumtells, which typically comes across as stupid and\or retarded questions, often re-hashing points that were already made and carefully laundering quotes so as to make their fabricated case look convincing.
I'm sick of your bullshit and i'm sick of [Redacted]'s bullshit. You clearly have no clue what the hell you're doing; to call you a newbie is an insult to newbies everywhere. Why you're playing this game and not learning how to play mafia properly in the newbie games i don't even know, but i suspect it may be because you are actually braindead and\or fucking with us. I don't know which and i don't care.
At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.
GreyICE, you might want to make your bandwagoning slightly less blatant. I know my explosion makes me look like an easy lynch right now, but it's going to look real shitty for you when i flip town, because that vote right there is so opportunistic it hurts.
I would scream at you for that bullshit about thinking aggression on day 1 is a scumtell, but it's clear at this point you've already decided what i said for me, and i'm all screamed out, so i'll just make it short and sweet.
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My explosion has nothing to do with the votes and everything to do with running out of patience for the stupid bullshit pouring out of of bgg and Redacted.Xine wrote:You would like me to change my play style to suit your opinions? No, I'm me, I play like I play.
you seem very emotional, especially when you are being scrutinized. bgg got pretty emotional at L-2, and now Neruz is getting emotional under scrutiny as well, then, you vote Neruz for...being emotional. Am I alone in finding this interesting?-
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Go take a look at Mini 1107. I run out of patience with stupidity extremely quickly.GreyICE wrote:Now as to my Neruz vote, it's not because he's acting emotional. If he was the sort of player (Fate, whoever) who liked to fly into rages and stuff, yeah, that would be fairly typical. Okay, Fate has more style, but you know what I'm saying. Neruz, this entire game, has been eminently rational... until he's attacked. Then he starts screaming at his attacker and calling him names? Insulting his intelligence and belittling the case?-
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For fucks sake, for the last fucking time i wasn't saying that aggresive play is anti-town, i was saying that my personal experience has been thatpeople who push other people outside their comfort zoneshave tended to be scum, i said this because i believe that in general, pushing people outside their comfort zone generates just as many false positives as real positives, as people who are outside their comfort zoneare uncomfortable.
When i think i've found scum, i latch on and push as hard as i can, i don't just float around pushing people to see how they react, which is just plain opportunism at it's finest.
Youare the one who decided that i was panning all aggressive play everywhere under all circumstances as anti-town, rather than making an observation that a specific kind of aggressive play has, in my personal experience, often come from scum players trying to make cracks in town players (by making them uncomfortable) which can then be blown up into fake scumtells to get them lynched.
I need to go listen to some waterfalls before i strangle something.-
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Putting me outta my comfort zone is easy, just be bgg.
What the hell is this bullshit? Do you not see the counter-wagonGreyICE wrote:Okay, I still hate the bgg wagon. It just has gone too long without a counterwagon or counter push from anyone.sitting on me right now,the one that you yourself joined a dozen posts ago?-
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I am not kidding, i believe that reading your posts may actually be causing me permanent brain damage.bgg1996 wrote:
I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.Neruz wrote:At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.
If you honestly don't know whythreatening the townis anti-town, then i don't know what to say, because i don't speak idiot.
No.bgg1996 wrote:Are you even going to answer these questions?
Also no.bgg1996 wrote:Did you even read this post!?!
I am afraid i blacked out half-way through reading the line that started with "The reason is because", i suspect this may be because you once again said something retarded about my claiming all aggressive play everywhere under all circumstances regardless of rhyme or reason was a scumtell and everyone who is ever even slightly aggressive in any way shape or form should be lynched immediately with no further questions asked, but as i have no memory of the incident i cannot be certain.
If my suspicion is correct, please apply a belt sander to your face with judicious force until all the stupidity, misplaced condescension and blood is removed from your system.-
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bgg1996 wrote:If you are not going to answer my questionsNeruz wrote:[
No.bgg1996 wrote:Are you even going to answer these questions?bgg1996 wrote:even read my postsNeruz wrote:
I am not kidding, i believe that reading your posts may actually be causing me permanent brain damage.bgg1996 wrote:
I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.Neruz wrote:At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.ಠ_ಠ-
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Xine wrote:I don't know about that, Neruz has declared willingness to lynch someone he believes to be town to remove an annoying player. I thought the plan was to lynch scum, wasn't that your plan, Neruz? I've seen enough to have reached a decision
VOTE: Neruz
WHERE DID I SAY THAT? POINT ME TO THE LOCATION WHERE I STATED THAT I BELIEVE BGG TO BE TOWN!
You know what. Fuck bgg, this wagon isn't going anywhere because apparantly only a handful of people think thatthreatening the townisn't a scumtell.
That post, right there, from Xine, is nothing short of pure distilled scumhop. The fact that she had tomake upsomething i said in order to justify voting me and the fact that what she did make up was so transparently bullshit leaves no room whatsoever for town motivation.
UNVOTE: Bgg
VOTE: Xine
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Yes, i know. Notice the part in that quote where i said i believed you to be tow-bgg1996 wrote:
This is what she was referring to.Neruz wrote:At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.
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You might have a point, but Xine goes on to say this:
Which implies that i am currently going against that plan and voting someone i believe to be town just to remove an annoying player.Xine wrote:I thought the plan was to lynch scum, wasn't that your plan, Neruz?
Which i am not.
What you're seeing here bgg is calledimplication, it's an extremely common and powerful scum tool and if you are town then you appear to have fallen right for it.
Unfortunately, i blacked out again while trying to finish reading the rest of your post. I suspect similar reasons to the last time.-
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I honestly can't tell with bgg anymore. I'm finding it almost impossible to believe that he isn't an alt account that is just trolling this entire thread as there is a point where i am just no longer able to suspend my disbelief; we went past that point a short while back.
That post by Xine though, that i am familiar with. I've seen that kind of post many times before and it is always an extremely powerful scumtell: Look for the people who make up excuses to hop on the wagon, because there are your scum.
There are no questions in that post you idiot.bgg1996 wrote:If you decide to answer my questions, depending on your answers, I will reweigh the evidence against you, and may decide that you are indeed town, given that there is evidence that you are, or lack of evidence that you aren't in your responses.-
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When did i ever say i give enough of a shit about you to go looking for your damn questions.
If you want me to answer some questions, point to the questions, don't just go HERP DERP I THREATEN YOU WITH ANSWERING QUESTIONS OR I VOTE YOU and expect me to go looking for them. I don't care enough about your shit to do so.-
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Because threatening the town is anti-town.bgg1996 wrote:Why would newb-scum be more likely to make that post than newb-town?
None, i should have just voted you for blatantly lying, but i decided to be nice and give you the benefit of the doubt. I have regretted that decision ever since i made it.bgg1996 wrote:With me claiming VT, what reason could you possibly have for believing that I had proof, regardless of what I actually said?
You've spent almost the entire game asking stupid questions, with the occasional not-so-stupid question thrown in through sheer luck. So you havn't had a chance to re-hash any points, because as far as i can tell you didn't make any until about half a dozen posts ago.bgg1996 wrote:Did I ever re-hash points that were already made?
Nope.bgg1996 wrote:Did I ever launder a quote?
Yep.bgg1996 wrote:Does that make me any more likely to be scum?
Absolutely.bgg1996 wrote:Does that make it okay to lynch me?
Obviously not.bgg1996 wrote:Do you have any other significant reason other than an over-exaggerated poorly-quoted eleven-word sentence?
Consider yourself humoured, enjoy it because i won't be doing it again.-
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Why do i get the feeling that the bgg who posted this:
And the bgg who posted this:bgg1996 wrote:Also, if I'm not mistaken, this will be the first time I've actually played as a vanilla townie. (In my more inexperienced games, all of the roles had an ability)
Good luck using meta on me.
Are two entirely different people?bgg1996 wrote:That's what you get for trying to be nice in a game of mafia.
In mafia you have to think logically. You cannot merely trust people on a whim, excepting some subconscious feeling of general scumminess, you have to weigh the odds and decide rationally which is good and which is bad.
Do you have a disorder that makes you misunderstand people?
bgg1996 wrote:For the last time, there is a big difference between have hard evidence and come up with proof.*COUGH COUGH*
proof
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1., or to produce belief in its truth.evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true
—Synonyms
1.confirmation, demonstration, corroboration, support.. 3. examination, assay. 18. firm, steadfast.See evidence
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I'm notHiraki wrote:Neruz. What do you mean in #355?
Like with the two different people. I'm not getting what you mean.completelysure myself. The first few pages of the game, bgg came across as unbelievably stupid with a light dash of newbie. Now i'm getting a lot less blind idiocy out of his posts and a lot more newbie; maybe i'm just overthinking things, but it really does feel like bgg's swapped out for a different person half-way through the day.
Either that or he's an alt who was fucking with us.
Makes no difference; as a townie youbgg1996 wrote:Sorry,haveandcome up withwas what we were looking for.provide evidence or proof of your alignment. So it is literally meaningless to nitpick on the have or the come up with parts, becausecannotbothare lies.-
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Interestingly, i decided to take a look at Newbie 807, bgg's other game. I'm not getting a whole lot out of it, but i do think it's interesting to note that in that game, as scum, he quickly put someone (CDB) to L-2 during RVS with no explanation for his vote and later backtracked hard on it, providing a whole bunch of reasons when pressured about it.
Obviously this might just be how bgg plays regardless of alignment, but it is probably worth keeping in mind for future days if he survives.-
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