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8. mb53
7. WeaponsofMassConstruction *
11. DarthYoshi
4. q21
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1. KingTwelveSixteen
2. silavor
6. Saint
9. Zdenek
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3. implosion
10. ICEninja
12. neko2086 *
13. Nameless
Zdenek: Thoughts on King12?
King12: Thoughts on Saint?
Sila: Thoughts on DarthYoshi?
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1. They're prods.DarthYoshi wrote:Again with the full scumscales being posted...
Welcome, Empking. What do the asterisks on your scumscale denote? And, what about Nameless' play makes him the scummiest to you so far? And, why post the scumscale?
2. Gut
3. a) To remind myself b) to inform everyone elsePlus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Hello attacking your attacker.Nameless wrote:
Hello active lurking.Empking wrote:All my reads are due to gut. And the only one I'm overly confident in is Nameless (who is no doubt about it bona fide scum) and q21.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. Because I've just replaced in.DarthYoshi wrote:Empking--why is it important to inform everyone of all your reads, as opposed to, say, just your scumreads? And, why gut when you have over 250 posts of material to analyze? And, why are your definitive reads definitive to you?
2. In depth analysis is just a way to feel confident in your fallacy filled reads.
3. Because they're ridiculously obvious.
FOS: King- Ignoring my question, jumping on the Empking wagon rather than scumhunting, "Empking should have noticed the like 10 posts of people saying not to post the list of scum stuff and then not done what he did." which is just so filled with scumminess I'm not sure where to begin.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Neko: I findf that you can't get much from a first read through of the thread. You can get as bit (Like q21 is town and Nameless is scum) but not so much that I'd take too much care over what you get from that first read. Like now King is certainly scum.
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Zeroethly, neil's rep;lsacing out when taking into account meta reflects very poorly on him.
Firstly, he goes through his first two posts of the game without putting on a vote. This is a deliberately anti-town action and oner I would not expect from town.
Well gee this is a transparent ploy isn't it. Now who makes transparent ploys?Pfft, I read through the whole thing without looking at the last page and my biggest suspect was Neil
Thats just kinda lame.
Then he goes for a lurker vote. Gee he sure is scumhunting.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Bluh.
Forgot to point out my suspicions of mr. fingerprint avatar for his actions this game. (_over9000)
Namely, he hasn't done any.
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Stop your scum hunting right away!Neil does not exist. He is a figment of your imagination.
I am Neil. Neil is me. We are one.
Seriously I don't know what Neils problem was, (he was super wierd looking in his posts) but he is not here anymore. I am.
Reading his posts, he's still attacking that lurker rather thasn doing any scumhunting. Yay!
Wow being a hypocrite (He accuses 9000 of parotting) and either buddying up or supporting his scum buddy. (The post suggests the first, the fact thaty Nameless is scum suggests the latter.). Theres like 3 different scum tells there.@nameless: Wow, nice one. Theres like 3 different contradictions there.
And he goes back to his lurker WAGON as soon as he's worried Implosion won't be lynched.
This is him pretending to scuhunting. Do you know who pretendfeds to scumhunt? That's right! Scum.Empking should have noticed the like 10 posts of people saying not to post the list of scum stuff and then not done what he did. He also shoulda explained his vote more.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Ooh, Darth Yoshi hasn't heard of it. My mistake then.DarthYoshi wrote:
Why is this deliberately anti-town? I haven't heard of replacing in and not voting as a scumtell.Empking:Firstly, he goes through his first two posts of the game without putting on a vote. This is a deliberately anti-town action and oner I would not expect from town.
It slows the game down and reduces momentum. You should (almost) always (outside of lynch or lose) have your vote on someone. Itys a scumtell because there's an anti-town motivation but not a town motivation.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Why is this post scummy?KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
There you go with the not explaining your votes thing again. And not responding to my posts.Empking wrote:Unvote
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1. IIoA
2. Refusing to put him out there.
3. No analysis
4. Trying to throw mud at a player for things that are a null tell at worst.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. That's not analysis.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
1. My analysis is that you should actually explain why you are doing things, instead of just moving your votes around wily-nilly with no justification.Empking wrote:
Why is this post scummy?KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
There you go with the not explaining your votes thing again. And not responding to my posts.Empking wrote:Unvote
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1. IIoA
2. Refusing to put him out there.
3. No analysis
4. Trying to throw mud at a player for things that are a null tell at worst.
2. I have no idea what that means.
3. This point is the same as point 1.
4. Not explaining your votes and refusal to answer questions about it even when called on it are null tells?
2. "Refusing to put himself out there" then.
3. "Not thinking about the game in depth" then.
4. No its clearly a town tell, that's what the "at worst" is there for.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Wow, we're of complete opposite opinions.Are your town reads Nameless and King per chance?InflatablePie wrote:EBWOP: only going off info up to the aforementioned point in the thread, ICE/mongoose/q21 are most likely scum. More later.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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What do you call an action with no scum motivation but with a town motivation? I call it a town tell.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
Apparently this post did not contain the full measure of my disbelieve in this statement. Here is a new post that should hopefully clear things up.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
What.Empking wrote:4. No its clearly a town tell, that's what the "at worst" is there for.
what.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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The town motive is to lure scum out of their comfort zone it also helps trap players who are more interested in theory than hunting scum. (i.e you). he scum motivations you give are really awful. 1. It doesn't stiffle debate 2. Arguments are rarely scummy.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. Wrong. I'm finding scum. People who are not you and I are talking about other things.
2. Unless made public then they can only be bad for the town if the player thinking them is town. That's obviously not scummy.
1. Its unusual
How does it lure scum out of their comfort zone?
2. They can't prepare.
This is just typical scum lying.Also, knowing the reason other players are voting for people tends to be kind of important for figuring out if they are scum or town.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. As the only player (other that ICE(?)) on the right track I kinda am.
2. Changing the goal posts much. Hmmm, who would do that? Oh, yeah, scum.
1a. Yes the newbie game teaching poor play.
2b. Town don't need to prepare.
3. I don't need to debunk the point. Its clearly false. Oh wait unless your saying that scum are honest about their reasons you're changing the goal posts yet again.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Nice AtE. By gosh you're heavy on the rhetoric.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:I suppose I shouldactuallyat leaststartto explain why I dislike that statement so much.
It is for the attitude that it implies.
The attitude that you are right, and everyone else is wrong. That you don't have to think critically of any of your beliefs or discuss any conflicting beliefs because "I'm right."
I despise that attitude. It has caused so much strife and discord. It shuts down any significant communication with the person who holds that attitude. You cannot argue, convince, or reason with somebody holding that type of attitude. The worst part is that most people with that attitude won't change even if shown wrong, the only way to remove it is a major, major wakeup call from reality saying that "No, you are wrong." Like life-shattering events type things here. Even then some people like thatstillwon't change, and will stay stuck in their self-delusion forever.
That is why I dislike that point so much.
Question; Why are you having this argument?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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So you're not hunting scum. You're just gtrying to distract the town?KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
Which argument? The ridiculous one that not explaining anything is pure townie or the one about attitudes that refuse any reasonable discussion?Empking wrote:Question; Why are you having this argument?
If its the second one it is because I absolutely despise that attitude.
Well, who does that? Scum.
(This is my lsast post toweards you. I am still on the Nameless wagon, remember.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Yes.Emp 249: did you see people's reactions to mb/my scumscales before posting this?
Look King is clearly not town. He's purposely active lurking, engaging in rhetoric to get the town to like him, lurker voting, wagon hopping (in a riduclously scummy fashion. Like stupidly so.) and all in all not even pretending to scumhunt. You might think those are poor reasons but that's because you're not very good at this game.Emp 273: serious question here, serious answer please - are you intentionally making your justifications for voting/fosing/everything/etcetera bad?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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How so? I argued with you to cement my read.Also, If arguing with you is active lurking then you are doing it as well
But I guess thast post was just OMGUS, nun huh you did it too and "I know you are but what am I".
Seriously, you're just ridiculous with saying I refused to answer that question. Implosion wanted to know something. He now knows it.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. People change opinons quickly all the time. That's not a scum tell.Setael wrote:For all I know, Ice is the only one who has read any of my posts.
@ Nameless, you say you're "noticing me". How about an opinion about my posts? Any merit? If not, why? I get why you thought q21 was scummy, but I think what he actually was is lazy. He didn't answer questions, didn't do much. He thought if arguments were bad he could just ignore them. Lazy and stupid. Not much I can do about that, and I'm not suspicious of anyone's scum read on him for it. I am, however, suspicious that you're trying to coast through with just that. I don't think what you've pointed out on him is enough to be so confident my slot is scum, especially without saying a word about anything I've posted.
Did anyone even look at the timing of Ice's posts that I pointed out? No one else thinks it's scummy to go from finding someone mildly scummy for really weak reasons and then ready to lynch so quickly? (And then later lie about it and say you changed your opinion "over time" based on the arguments everyone was coming up with?)
2. People have faulty memories. Also not a scum tell.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Are people using that "there's beren an awful lot of content to be using gut" just to annoy me. Gut and "proper" analysis are just two different ways of analysing posts. In my experience gut is the more accurate method (for myself.)Setael wrote:Empking, when you replaced in, you named Ice as scum. Your response to my posts (and previous entire lack thereof) do not indicate in the least that you actually think he's scum. What did you find scummy about him in your initial read? Do you have anything else to say about all the things I found scummy?
Ima ISO your slot.
So Mongoose did almost nothing. No scum hunting, no analysis, no stating suspicions. He actively flew under the radar until he was replaced out. The only times he did say anything about other players, he qualified the statements in a way that looks like he was avoiding actually saying anything he would have to explain. (i.e. “q21 summed up what i thought perfectly so no real content here” and “I dont like how neil likes how many people jumped on him though, however it sounds like something I would say so I will let it be.”)
Empking’s entry into the game was interesting. He posted a full breakdown without giving any reasons whatsoever (and then when asked for reasons on Nameless he merely says “gut”. There’s been an awfully lot of content to simply be going with gut imo.) He put neko, Ice and Nameless on his scum list which was refreshing since no one else had poked at any of them much. If Empking is scum, my original read of the game was pretty off. He lists q21 as certain town, which I actually find bizarre since q21’s play was fairly lazy and unhelpful. It's interesting when someone declares your slot as obviously town. I find myself wanting to agree with his analysis because I know he's right about my slot, but if he's scum he knows everyone's alignment anyway so meh.
If an Ice wagon can't happen before deadline, I'd prefer an empking lynch over the other options.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Gut to question one and three. (OK, q21 was clearly playing to the town win con. I'll ISO Iece later.)
Not a scumtell.ICEninja was the first one to ping the scumdar. In his first post, he casts suspicion on WMC for what seemed pretty obviously a joke when I read it (I'll get into the later claim that it was a trap... later) and then once it earns him two votes, he backpeddles saying he only thought it was strange and he didn’t say it was scummy. This feels false since his post certainly intended to cast suspicion. Who cares if you SAID it was scummy? It was certainly implied. He also says “I'm glad others are noting that this is suspicious” which is clearly manipulation (and the result he wanted, obviously).
Weak until one of them flips.
Post 57 reads like scum distancing. Neko saying Ice is going to get on his nerves and that he’s making mountains out of molehills - distancing without attacking at all. Then Ice declares that Neko’s response to the “weak jab” reads as town.
Since always.Ice then posts calling out mongoose for voting weapons without giving reason and then gives implosion a free pass for posting a scum list with no reasoning. Instead he focuses on asking why nameless was listed as scummy. If he were really scum hunting (rather than scum pretending to do so) I think he'd also have called out Implosion here. He also says he agrees with what neko is saying so he doesn't find him scummy. Since when is someone not scum because they agree with you? This free pass is very suspicious.
The "There's a scum motive so its a scum tell" fallacy. The easiest explaination is that he's town who is being honest.So then ice says “I think Saint is mildly scummy due to his predecessor and partially because of his all over the place posting.” This follows Zedenek having added a vote to Saint. This is subtle wagon pushing and keeping yourself open to hammer a townie. Also, what is scummy about posting several posts the way he did, and how is it “all over the place”? Has this always bothered you, or are you just making friends with KTS? Or just looking for a reason to hammer a townie? Ironically, ice then posts again (so all over the place and scummy!) to add a little umph to his future Saint vote. Does this bring him up from mildly scummy, ice? You can probably vote him soon without looking too suspicious right? Check.]Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Ah, the "Its only scummy if someone else does it" argument. A classic.Empking wrote:
How so? I argued with you to cement my read.Also, If arguing with you is active lurking then you are doing it as well
But I guess thast post was just OMGUS, nun huh you did it too and "I know you are but what am I".
Seriously, you're just ridiculous with saying I refused to answer that question. Implosion wanted to know something. He now knows it.
That was a single accusation in a post that contained at least six accusations. Misrep.
You didn't answer the question, you used it to attack me. If you were actually answering the question you would have just said "yes" and left it at that.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Why am I scummier than Implosion? (After all I'm clearly not scum with Implosion as evident by the wagon. If Implosion was still the scummiest it clearly wouldn't be logical to vote me.)
Also, since you hate gut so much, I presume you've done some indepth analysis.
Why is that scummy?There was very little I liked about Empking’s entrance into the game, and he continues to not be very forthright: his #369 responses to Set’s questions still rely entirely on “gut” when we’re 15 pages in.
(Actually howe isn't forthright. My read on Nameless is gut. I say that its gut.)
Actually, bugger this.His case on KTS in #357—active lurking, lurker voting, vote hopping, all sounds like stuff he is doing as well, while pretending to scumhunt on KTS. I can’t imagine both playslots are scum, just because I can’t see scumbuddies interacting with each other like this, but at this point, I have to think one or the other is.
How am I asctive lurking?
How am I lurker voting (Seriously, WTF)?
Now give us some in depth analysis of how you know that I'm only "pretending" to scum hunt?
Seriously you complain about me using icky gut voting and then you talk about "feels". BS. Complete BS.And part of the reason this feels
That's just nonsense.We’re 4-5 days from the deadline (for me in my time zone, it is basically four days, since the deadline is in the middle of the night), and, like other players have said, a no-lynch isn’t an option, so I agree that we need to come together on a wagonPlus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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In order to make this readable I'll only tyalk about his most recent posts.
"Z but also not Z" - Dol I need to explain it.I'm not sure how to respond to Saint's posts. The thing is, I actually agree with most of his reads and content. But after looking closer, I don't like the way he's presented them.
Hello active lurking.
This postsd are consecutive on his ISO. Yeah.Nameless wrote:Got nothing exciting to add today that hasn't already been said, so ...
*headdesk*silavor wrote:I'm replacing out.
We all know how this is scummy.Nameless wrote:Saint, I swear to God I would lynch you right now if you had a wagon. If you don't see how your catchup was scummy then you have apparently not read pretty much everything anyone has had to say about you since you replaced in.
This is scum trying to mislead.Nameless wrote:THIS IS THE TOWN:
implosion wrote:@Saint: A few things. First, why is neko SK? Isn't that a huge leap of logic and/or speculation? Second, why do you find my list and/or anything else scummy? I'm not sure if that's iioa, but it's something like that... giving reads and not explaining them. Also, mb "explained _over9000" in his ISO 4. It didn't "sell" me, it's just that _over9000's scumminess had already been explained in a previous post.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Whats with the sudden jokeyness? Perhaps it is you who is the serial killer! Since you seem so convinced there is one and once you mention your read for the SK your posting style changes to be much more jokey.DarthYoshi wrote:I do share in the other players’ questions of your read on serial killer neko—Implosion’s note that it is a huge jump in logic, and KTS’s as to why you are so convinced that there is an SK in the setup.
I’m also curious about your read on Mongoose—you say in #224 that he lurks as scum, but you also say in your very next post that you played with Mongoose and this wasn’t his scum play—but Mongoose has spent a lot of time lurking or just not being around (including, I would consider, the present moment, with him having checked in some time ago, but w/ still no content). This looks odd.mb53 wrote:Wow, buddy much?
Again... Buddy much? And on a post I thought was complete crap too. Nice.Nameless wrote:I'm not sure how to respond to Saint's posts. The thing is, I actually agree with most of his reads and content. But after looking closer, I don't like the way he's presented them. A couple of times he pads his posts out with meaningless promises or his belief in the town. The way he buddies up with people who agree with him is obviously excessive, and makes me wonder if he's not just borrowing ideas from and appealing to the more active players in order to appear town himself. I rather suspect the hostile reaction to my vote of neil (+ what DarthYoshi said in #238 re. his Mongoose read) is only for the sake of defending his own replacee's inactivity - which shouldn't be necessary if Saint plays well. And no, I don't know where the heck his neko = SK read came from either.ICEninja wrote:Saint, what causes you to believe that he is more likely to be an SK than scum with the information we have?
I see where Nameless is coming from with his analysis of Saint's tone, and will pay close attention to any further buddying that he does.neko2086 wrote:The rest of his posts thus far--I do not at all like how easily he claims mongoose and zdenek to be town. Call me scum for being "nervous" if you want, but blindly following others means you likely know something we don't.
Saint's newest post- how exactly is that a slip? I meant "what"-- over made a completely pointless request for q21 to explain his typo, and I couldn't (and still can't) imagine what he could possibly have been going after.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Seems a bit to eager to accuse anyone of anything. He also seems to just...ignore any scummyness his predeccesor had. Like, not ignore the suspicions, just flat out trying to explain away the stuff as if it was nothing at all, even when nobody is calling him specifically out on it.
Oh, just rereading and Saint asks Neko what his (saint's) read on Neko is about. How could anyone know whats up with someone elses read like that? Unless they can read minds or something...Zdenek wrote:Reeks of having too much information and of buddying.
An SK read, before there are multiple kills? This seems like a scummy attempt to distract the town from scum hunting or to seem pro-active and townie by looking for all sorts of anti-town characters.neko2086 wrote:Saint-- I really don't see anything suspicious with mb's asking why such and such makes him scummy. This is a completely legitimate question to ask. Possibly the most important one--people need to back up their claims of what is scummy. Also, I hate to be the fluff police (I really don't mind it when it's marginal), but does 264 merit its own post? That whole sequence of posts really doesn't amount to much. In general, the cases you are trying to build are attempting to be novel but are based on really inconsequential details (or no details at all), as though you're trying to appear to be helpful.ICEninja wrote:This is terrible. You just essentially said "I feel like you are all just pushing the scummiest looking player", and had an undertone that it is scummy to do so.ICEninja wrote:This doesn't even make sense. He is voting you because you "know" he's scum with implosion?Nameless wrote:If you don't see how your catchup was scummy then you have apparently not read pretty much everything anyone has had to say about you since you replaced in.
THIS IS SAINT:DarthYoshi wrote:Your play is getting more attention, and I can definitely see why. I'm prepared for some impulsive posting from you based on my previous experience with you, but posts like these are bad, bad, bad.
Saints wrote:Why are there still votes on me?
Weak argumenty isAww, look at the cute little scumbuddies, aren't they adorable? (BTW, don't think I'm not noticing you either, Setael.)weakscummy.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Why would scum do that?That you are paying way more attention to KTS despite your vote being elsewhere also makes your case on him look less than sincere.
It wouldn't surprise me if I've been in more games that all of those combined (even Setael). We do not need to wagon this early.It isn’t nonsense. If we’re going to allow for L-1 rituals like claiming, blah blah blah, then we need a wagon in the next couple of days to have time for that. I’m not the only player noting that we need to come to a consensus soon (Ice in #348, Setael in #361, Pie in #363). I decided that if I'm going to say I suspect you as much as I do, I should be willing to vote for you.
Yers. Its called optimum town play.Letting people know your scumreads, sure, but all your reads?
Seriously. You're moaning on one hand about me providing all my reads and on the other about providing no reads. (And of course there aren't slips. Slips are a newbie tell.)because there is nothing for us to analyze—no reads, no slips, no nothing.
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This is just stupid.Emp has provided one post, 357, with what I feel are reasons to legitimately vote someone. And I'm pretty sure a fair amount of those are made-up. Emp, can you provide specific cases where the people you are accusing have done the things you are accusing them of? It isn't acceptable to say "Hey guys, x is scum because of y, now all of you should find evidence to support what I said."[/quote
Provide me with a quote for how I haven't provided quotes for what's happening.
I don't believe this for two seconds. You were basically trolling him; there is no other way to put it. Even assuming you believe your game theory, you know fully well that the majority of players don't. Attempting to argue it in the middle of an ongoing game - where you have already been accused of not providing specific analysis - is never going to increase your townie standing. And when you start acting sarcastically towards the first player to disagree with you ... It's clear you were choosing to get a rise out of King.King admitted that he wasn't trying to scumhunt.
I goty King to admit to not trying to scumhunt or to put ity into other words I got King to admit to being scum. What have you done today?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Post 25-37 are all talking to me. Why is he talking to me?
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Which argument? The ridiculous one that not explaining anything is pure townie or the one about attitudes that refuse any reasonable discussion?Empking wrote:Question; Why are you having this argument?
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"I will ignore the quote where I admitted it. I didn't really think that one through."KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
Lies, I said no such thing.Empking wrote:...
King admitted that he wasn't trying to scumhunt.
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Really, I could have sworn it was:P.S. When I was arguing the big ridiculous case I was trying to figure out if you were merely playing teribbly or scum. That counts as scumhunting.
King did not misremember that. He's lying to trick the town.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
Which argument? The ridiculous one that not explaining anything is pure townie or the one about attitudes that refuse any reasonable discussion?Empking wrote:Question; Why are you having this argument?
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Yeah my theory was correct. Neko is the third scum.
1. He's on the scum-leading position on the Saint wagon.
But more importantly,
2. Neko is a good player. He is not playing like a good player because he can just watcvh this town self-destruct.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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1. Why don't you believe me?InflatablePie wrote:Yeah, I don't believe you. Nor do I see King lying about anything. It's also really funny how you're saying King is "100% scum", but you're not even voting him. Darth already pointed this out, though.
PEdit: lol
2. When asked why he was having an argument he said (in no uncertain terms) that it was not to scumhunt but because he didn't like the attitude I had. When called upon it he made up some cockamany excuse. Why don't you consider that a lie?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Ok, I honestly have no idea what you're even talking about anymore.
Same post. Rhetoric rather than scumhunting.Ok, THATS what you are talking about.
When Darth Yoshi compromises that's A-OK. When I do that's unambigious evidence of my being scum. Why the contradiction? Oh, yes. Because you're scum.Still you push the case on Nameless. Not me. Not the apparently 100% scummy person.
Or to put it into less passionate terms. "I was active lurking because I'm scum."As previously stated, I only brought that thing up as a possible thing you could be talking about because I wasn't sure what you were talking about. The attitude thing had two posts about it and the second was immediatly after the first and did nothing but clarify why I hated that reasoning so much.
The reasoning being that you are right because you just are. The whole thing was me saying that that attitude and the actions and "reasoning" that result from it shove any and all debate straight into the ground and that you had better not be using those actions and reasoning to try and justify yourself, because no, that is not how it works. AT ALL. EVER. You have to give actual reasons other than "because its true" if you want people to believe you. Or be able to debate with you. Or say that you are right. Or really do anything at all.
To be more specific and helpful and whatnot I shall spell it out: the reason I made that big seperate thing calling the attitude terrible and useless is because I DESPISE that attitude. Otherwise I would have just made a single little point like: "Thats not how it works" or "Try giving a real explanation instead of just saying that you're right" or something like that. The reason I made the huge thing that could make that qualify as a seperate argument is because I so severly dislike everything there is about that attitude. Everything.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Mod:DarthYoshi wrote:
We’re 4-5 days from the deadline (for me in my time zone, it is basically four days, since the deadline is in the middle of the night), and, like other players have said, a no-lynch isn’t an option, so I agree that we need to come together on a wagon. In that spirit…Unvote. Vote: Empking.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Its an illustration about how you're clearly not honestly scumhunting but picking and choosing in order to get a townie lynched without coming out of it as too scummy.Whats this thing about Darth Yoshi? Whats he got to do with this?
1. Who are they?instead of attacking either of the other two people who you (apparently) have actual reasoning to vote for.
2. I've made a case on why Nameless is scum. Oh wait, that doesn't fit with your argument, no wonder you're ignoring it.
Are you making stuff up or are you ignorant about what the word "slip" means (in the context of Mafiascum)? Honest question.Sounds an awful lot like these two posts should be mutually exclusive.
Why should they? Can you give a scum reason for claiming mason?You still have not said whether or not your mason partner is going to confirm you.
I've provided cases on two players and provided conclusing evidence for you beiong scum. (Unfortunately it requires at least a couple of brain cells in order to see it.)How about: "I refuse to actually argue anything instead of being overly general and giving accusations that don't contribute to the debate at all because I'm scum."Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Why isn't your vote on Implosion?And, why would a town PR claim on D1 without any prompting when they are at L-2?[/quote
Because that is the optimum play in this sitiuation (Deadline is coming up). Now, why would scum claim mason?
Also, why haven't you examined my Nameless case (or my King case).
1. It allows people to see when I change my reads.
What about the full scumscale makes it optimum town play? Especially when based on gut?
2. Either stop going "Oooh, icky gut" or replace out and join another newbie game. I've provided far more actual analysis than you have.
OK. What of those do you think is the case in this game.Any number of reasons--distancing, bussing, plausible deniability--distracting the town by highlighting an "easy lynch" without actually having your vote on the player, etc.
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1. All my points were explained and none were refuted.This is rather an exaggeration. You explicitly said you were only commenting on my recent posts rather than making a full case, and you didn't explain / justify any of your points even before I refuted them.
2. Either quote where I said I wasn't making a full case or quote a resprcted sourse that says that cases must talk about every post their target has ever made.
You want me to out my buddy?Because your claim is meaningless if otherwise, if not scummy in itself since you should be able to back it up.
Avoid how many lynches?And to avoid being lynched with a roleclaim that can't be disproved during the night, obv.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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ANSWER MY QUESTION
That's not a refution. That's you saying a bunch of random words without anyway to see if they bear any relationship tyo what I wrote. You're playing in a deliberately anti-town fashion with those "refutions".Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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This is the biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard. Also not how KingTwelve rushed as fast as his littler fingers can carry him in order to defend Nameless irrelevantly.Nameless wrote:Empking, I was assuming your last questions were rhetorical,
Oh yeah, Setael, stop being an idiot. k thx. I'm not going to claim my partner. That's justy ridiculously anti-town.
If I'm telling the truth and claim my partner: We both die in successive nights. (Actually since you're a bunch of scum following sheep its more likely that I'll be lynched andthenmy partner killed.
If I'm telling the truth and don't claim my partner; Once I'm dead you'll have a confirmed town player which is essential to counter the overwhelming stupidity present in at least half the town.
Advantage: No reveal.
If I'm lying and you allow me to not claim my partner; I get lynched once its clear I have no partner. But while I live you can see my post for links eith my scumbuddies.
If I'm lying and you force me to claim my partner: I get lynched. Woo.
Advantage: No reveal.
Now when we couple that with the fact that no sane Mafiaso we'll claim a claim that will eventually get the lynched...Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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See told you Neko was smart.If Emp is indeed mason, btw, it would indeed be really stupid for the partner to be outed. I don't like the suggestions otherwise at all.
I pegged a lot of people as scum in my first post but I'd call them town at this point. You on the other hand seem to be playing as I'd expect scum to play. (Honestly, I actually had two theories. 1. You were scum. 2. The third person on Saint's wagon was scum. I wasn't sure which (and then I checked the thread and learnt they were the same player.)you pegged me as scum based on gut as soon as you replaced, and now you are fabricating a story around it to make that read make sense, it seems to me
I'm not goading him on. I was trying to get him offbalanced so he'd make a mistake. He made that mistake and at this point as good as claimed scum. That was worth my time.But it's clear your read has already been cemented, so why goad him on?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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This is a load of scum tosh.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
Wrong, there is another reason. The goon knows he's gonna die anyway and claims in a desperate attempt to get a/several townies lynched before he goes. If he thinks he's gonna be lynched anyway theres no downside for the scumteam and it gives him a chance 'cause a/several mislynch'es. Though the several would probably only happen if the town was acting kinda stupid.Empking wrote:Your mafia goon claims for two reasons (to out a power role or to get to end game). Which one I'm I doing?
If we leave the goon for later then we 1. Have the best scumhunters still alive. 2. Have the more accurate players (for this individual game) still alive. That means we're more likely to get a lynch on another scum if we leave the goon for later.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Nice strawman. If I'm scum then I'm a dead man walking. If I'm town then I'm a massive boon (If just for my night kill drawing). In that (very specific case) we should wait.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
...Are you recommending we don't lynch the first mafia goon we find?Empking wrote:
This is a load of scum tosh.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
Wrong, there is another reason. The goon knows he's gonna die anyway and claims in a desperate attempt to get a/several townies lynched before he goes. If he thinks he's gonna be lynched anyway theres no downside for the scumteam and it gives him a chance 'cause a/several mislynch'es. Though the several would probably only happen if the town was acting kinda stupid.Empking wrote:Your mafia goon claims for two reasons (to out a power role or to get to end game). Which one I'm I doing?
If we leave the goon for later then we 1. Have the best scumhunters still alive. 2. Have the more accurate players (for this individual game) still alive. That means we're more likely to get a lynch on another scum if we leave the goon for later.
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Yes but what do they get out of it?I think Nameless covered that one--because there is no overt night action to confirm the role, so it is an easier fakeclaim.
Plausible deniability for what? Voting a player even though it didn't lead to his lynch or claim?If I had to guess, plausible deniability, since you keep pointing out your vote is on Nameless despite a "100% scum read" on KTS.
My vote isn't on KTS gbecause we near deadline. That "newbie game" line wasn't trying to mock you, if you think using gut is a scum tell then you're not ready for proper games.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Empking wrote:In order to make this readable I'll only tyalk about his most recent posts.
"Z but also not Z" - Dol I need to explain it.I'm not sure how to respond to Saint's posts. The thing is, I actually agree with most of his reads and content. But after looking closer, I don't like the way he's presented them.
Hello active lurking.
This postsd are consecutive on his ISO. Yeah.Nameless wrote:Got nothing exciting to add today that hasn't already been said, so ...
*headdesk*silavor wrote:I'm replacing out.
We all know how this is scummy.Nameless wrote:Saint, I swear to God I would lynch you right now if you had a wagon. If you don't see how your catchup was scummy then you have apparently not read pretty much everything anyone has had to say about you since you replaced in.
This is scum trying to mislead.Nameless wrote:THIS IS THE TOWN:
implosion wrote:@Saint: A few things. First, why is neko SK? Isn't that a huge leap of logic and/or speculation? Second, why do you find my list and/or anything else scummy? I'm not sure if that's iioa, but it's something like that... giving reads and not explaining them. Also, mb "explained _over9000" in his ISO 4. It didn't "sell" me, it's just that _over9000's scumminess had already been explained in a previous post.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Whats with the sudden jokeyness? Perhaps it is you who is the serial killer! Since you seem so convinced there is one and once you mention your read for the SK your posting style changes to be much more jokey.DarthYoshi wrote:I do share in the other players’ questions of your read on serial killer neko—Implosion’s note that it is a huge jump in logic, and KTS’s as to why you are so convinced that there is an SK in the setup.
I’m also curious about your read on Mongoose—you say in #224 that he lurks as scum, but you also say in your very next post that you played with Mongoose and this wasn’t his scum play—but Mongoose has spent a lot of time lurking or just not being around (including, I would consider, the present moment, with him having checked in some time ago, but w/ still no content). This looks odd.mb53 wrote:Wow, buddy much?
Again... Buddy much? And on a post I thought was complete crap too. Nice.Nameless wrote:I'm not sure how to respond to Saint's posts. The thing is, I actually agree with most of his reads and content. But after looking closer, I don't like the way he's presented them. A couple of times he pads his posts out with meaningless promises or his belief in the town. The way he buddies up with people who agree with him is obviously excessive, and makes me wonder if he's not just borrowing ideas from and appealing to the more active players in order to appear town himself. I rather suspect the hostile reaction to my vote of neil (+ what DarthYoshi said in #238 re. his Mongoose read) is only for the sake of defending his own replacee's inactivity - which shouldn't be necessary if Saint plays well. And no, I don't know where the heck his neko = SK read came from either.ICEninja wrote:Saint, what causes you to believe that he is more likely to be an SK than scum with the information we have?
I see where Nameless is coming from with his analysis of Saint's tone, and will pay close attention to any further buddying that he does.neko2086 wrote:The rest of his posts thus far--I do not at all like how easily he claims mongoose and zdenek to be town. Call me scum for being "nervous" if you want, but blindly following others means you likely know something we don't.
Saint's newest post- how exactly is that a slip? I meant "what"-- over made a completely pointless request for q21 to explain his typo, and I couldn't (and still can't) imagine what he could possibly have been going after.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Seems a bit to eager to accuse anyone of anything. He also seems to just...ignore any scummyness his predeccesor had. Like, not ignore the suspicions, just flat out trying to explain away the stuff as if it was nothing at all, even when nobody is calling him specifically out on it.
Oh, just rereading and Saint asks Neko what his (saint's) read on Neko is about. How could anyone know whats up with someone elses read like that? Unless they can read minds or something...Zdenek wrote:Reeks of having too much information and of buddying.
An SK read, before there are multiple kills? This seems like a scummy attempt to distract the town from scum hunting or to seem pro-active and townie by looking for all sorts of anti-town characters.neko2086 wrote:Saint-- I really don't see anything suspicious with mb's asking why such and such makes him scummy. This is a completely legitimate question to ask. Possibly the most important one--people need to back up their claims of what is scummy. Also, I hate to be the fluff police (I really don't mind it when it's marginal), but does 264 merit its own post? That whole sequence of posts really doesn't amount to much. In general, the cases you are trying to build are attempting to be novel but are based on really inconsequential details (or no details at all), as though you're trying to appear to be helpful.ICEninja wrote:This is terrible. You just essentially said "I feel like you are all just pushing the scummiest looking player", and had an undertone that it is scummy to do so.ICEninja wrote:This doesn't even make sense. He is voting you because you "know" he's scum with implosion?Nameless wrote:If you don't see how your catchup was scummy then you have apparently not read pretty much everything anyone has had to say about you since you replaced in.
THIS IS SAINT:DarthYoshi wrote:Your play is getting more attention, and I can definitely see why. I'm prepared for some impulsive posting from you based on my previous experience with you, but posts like these are bad, bad, bad.
Saints wrote:Why are there still votes on me?
Weak argumenty isAww, look at the cute little scumbuddies, aren't they adorable? (BTW, don't think I'm not noticing you either, Setael.)weakscummy.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Has anybody notyiced that King's last post can be boiled down to "I'm posting lots of words to pretend not to be scum." Let's pick three arbritary posts.
Post 21: Pie says he wants Empking lynched. Emp's post is responding to Setael's post, nothing really scummy here that I see.Post 23: Set says Emp should say more stuff and asks the questions: Why did you think Ice was scummy at the start? What do you think of my case on Ice? What about his defense? Why do you think q21 is town?
ThesePost 15: I say it does stifle debate and give an example, then point out that faulty arguments could get town killed and should be considered scummy. (since scum wants town killed.) I ask how it takes scum out of their comfort zone and mention that knowing the reasoning behind votes is important for determening their alignment.
1. They're not about my posts! He needs to ignore my posts in his PBPA of me!!! That's how much he can't pretend I'm scum.
2. IIOA
(You might be like "What about the rest of the post?" Those three quote revealed, without controversity, that he's just after trying to look good.)
And let's see a typical argument:
Do I need to explain why thing is LOL scum grasping?and because people who arn't me and him are talking about other things, which is false, the last 5 posts are only ours,
Also, why is King making this case?
1. He's town and thinks I'm scum? Can't be. Its a given that if I'm scum I'll be lynched tommorrow. So he's just wasting his time.
2. He's scum and either wants me to claim my partner or get lynched? Yeah, this makes sense.
3. He's scum and wants to look like he's contributing? Also logical.
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So the reason you are making these posts is 2 and 3? Good to know.
People's alignments aren't found when they're at to top of the game its found when people are scrambling for IIOA, laughable arguments in order to pad their posts and try and look town.
Oh yeah and for people thinking his post suggests town reading the game in a pro-town mind set. According to King the scummiest thing I've done was contradict myself. So yeah, if that's not scum just looking at the surface rather than thinking for two seconds then I'm not sure what is.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Are you able to provide a town motivation for your recernty posts? Y/N?
(Thinking about the game in depth is completely different ftom in depth analysis.Thinking about the game in depth is "Dath Yoshi is an idiot but probably town" (i.e not taking the game at its surface)In depth analysis is "He didn't vote in his first two posts ego hurting the town ergo an anti-town action ergo he must be scum" So nice misrepresentation. )Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Er wrong. You're claimerd scum therefore dwelving into indepth analysis to you post carries with it no dangers....What? You...you just used an example that you yourself said for in-depth analysis. When you clearly earlier said that it was bad. You countered my argument...and at the same time admitted to a similiar but slightly different contradiction. I don't even know what to say about that.
We both know this is false. Scum claiming mason is a dead man walking.You still might not be lynched, so my giant wall could help kill a scum.
LOL. King's forgotten that he hasn't finished his wall (i.e it isn't all in one place.) Scummy, scummy liar.Having the entire reason for your scuminess down in one place makes it easier to see that you are scum, and explains my entire argument in one place instead of making people have to re-read the entire thread to understand it.
You're right I did forget that.If you do turn out to be town then it helps to show how terrible all your arguments against me have been, so I don't get lynched because of them. And they have been terrible.
4. You're scum who can't argue with the message and as such is attacking the messager. (As we're all aware, town would trust in their innocence rather than going down to usde scum tactics.)
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Its not a way of learning someone's alignment.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
What? If I understand this right then you are saying that in depth analysis is fine, but only if someone has admitted to being scum?Empking wrote:
Er wrong. You're claimerd scum therefore dwelving into indepth analysis to you post carries with it no dangers....What? You...you just used an example that you yourself said for in-depth analysis. When you clearly earlier said that it was bad. You countered my argument...and at the same time admitted to a similiar but slightly different contradiction. I don't even know what to say about that.
Why?Even though I didn't? And that if I HAD you should have just been able to point it out and get town to lynch me?
You're clearly contradicting yourself in your rush to try and not get lynched for lynching a mason.This is scum gloating.
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LOL. King's forgotten that he hasn't finished his wall (i.e it isn't all in one place.) Scummy, scummy liar.Having the entire reason for your scuminess down in one place makes it easier to see that you are scum, and explains my entire argument in one place instead of making people have to re-read the entire thread to understand it.
Calling me a scummy liar because I havn't finished something yet? And even if I do keep it in two places if I finish it it would still be far more convienient than looking back through the whole thread.
Misrep. Attacking the messenger is exactly this. I've explained why you can't not ber scum. But rather than asrgue with that you're instead trying to sully my reputation by trying to pretend I'm overwhelmingly.
Attacking the messanger? You mean Adhominem?Empking wrote:
You're right I did forget that.If you do turn out to be town then it helps to show how terrible all your arguments against me have been, so I don't get lynched because of them. And they have been terrible.
4. You're scum who can't argue with the message and as such is attacking the messager. (As we're all aware, town would trust in their innocence rather than going down to usde scum tactics.)
I wouldn't call a large porportion of the player base having no grasp of theory equivilant to my being scummy.I could have sworn this whole time that I've been giving actual reasons for my posts (You know, those reasons you've been ignoring) and why yours are bad and not ever sucumbing to the temptation of insulting you.
You do realise how bad you are playing, right? You are at L-1 with a mason claim even though it is apparently a terrible idea to kill a claimed mason day 1. Thats how scummy you are being.Empking wrote:It will help your later play to know exactly why people think of you as scum.
On that note I would like to point out that you completly ignored the original reason I gave for posting the wall: "I wanted EVERYTHING scummy you've done to be on the table, not just the more obvious stuff or the things you actually respond to." Its extra relevent 'cause you once again ignored huge portions of my posts.
What's the motive for that? (Therre isn't one, King is just scummy Mc. Scum.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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No. I is not even close to the pro-town thing. A confirmed townie (like me mason partner) is stronger late game rathen than getting killed off night two.
(Oh yeah and LOL at the Two Masons, 1 Doc and a Cop speculation.)
Set: Why would scum claim Mason? (And no. "In order to get lynched Day 2" is not even close to a reasonable reason.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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If its 2:2:9 then that's still broken in favour of the town. If its 4:9 then that's ridiculous. (Also its less the number of power roles as much of the strength and the numbers of confirmed townies.)Setael wrote:Also, why not 2 masons a doc and a cop? If there are 4 scum (1 or 2 teams) there could definitely be 4 town power roles.
I said ""In order to get lynched Day 2" is not even close to a reasonable reason". Try again. (I know that 1. I'll be nightkilled 2. When it comes down to it I can claim my partner. Scum know neither of those reasons.)You claimed to try and stop your wagon. Scum would do that for the same reason town would.
I'm afraid I cannot.Can you show anywhere YOU or mongoose breadcrumbed that wouldn't out your partner?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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