Mini 1140 - Mafia Mishmash...Game Over!!

[andrew94]

hmm i just woke up.
anyways, firstly

vote magnetic

that guy claimed mafia roleblocker etc. Pl etc.
1. What's your time-zone nz
2. Have you played with anyone in here before, if so what was their play-style like? (Remember you can't mention ongoing games) yes magnetic(crap), ckd?
3. Do you prefer being town or mafia generally? mafia
4. How often are you likely to post? when im on/ no homework
5. Do you generally like leading or following? leading if im sure/gut

about the guy who had a table of 0-100 score, i find that more than useless to the other players as it creates wifom etc.

several things about me: i hate walls. the best i can do is to skim them. so try make your posts into two or more posts.

[andrew94]

i have to go a tourney now, but i would like to note that yuri speaks like a man...

[andrew94]

i just got back to school and he got hammered?

i find this post off btw:

UNVOTE: Magnetic I do want day one to last a little longer. It's been like two days. And it's the weekend. Andrew has posted twice. I do want to lynch magnetic. Just not yet.

this post feels off cos it seems to be town credit seeking.(although i myself was about to defend magnetic due o the way he trolled in my game, but tclawren doesnt know that?)

also, the walls about pressure is not helping- all it is is distraction and making someone look like they are doing something.

[andrew94]

hmm?
whats mafia null.

1) in a 12/13 player game, 3?
2) i have no idea
3) what conversation> the trolling?

[andrew94]

my two cents: stabs are sk (always?) , im surprised tclawren didnt hammer , and i find surprise disturbing and subgenius pro town.

firstly, subgenius'es opinion on bgg, i find it to be correct.

then, about surprise, he was the one to hammer, and then the next day immedtaily votes for the next best suspect- yuri,. to me scums do this so people forget what happened the previous days/

vote surprise

[andrew94]

@surprise, im saying that you are attacking the most' suspicious' person- yura, in order to deflect attention.
then you draw attention to my 5 lowly posts, which again- deflecting attention. maybe you would deem to look at my other games and see how many posts i have in them.
my vote is justified

@vollkan, agree about the iso, dont agree about gut (gut is good bro).

@max, what unvoting incident

@ckd, im pretty sure u had about 10000 games under your belt, then you would know that vigs dont use knifes??

fos ckd

[andrew94]

hey surprise, look at how many posts magnetic has, is he much better than me?
if so, /wrist

im not saying i have more than 4 posts rofl, i did only have 4 posts in day 1, however, youre deflecting ur suspicious nature. i, on the othe hand, did not deflect my own 4 posts, so stop strawmanning pls

@ckd, i might have misread

[andrew94]

huh? basically, you referred to nothing about day1(hoping for ppl to forget) and instantly get someone that looks sus (yura)

[andrew94]

erm bro. i come on once or twice a day. then do my stuff, sleep etc. (and this is the weekends)

is 'one day' lurking? notice that its my sleeping time when the 2 pages roll in

[andrew94]

Well, what would you like me to refer to about day 1? It was dominated by someone whose sole purpose was to mislead and confuse us. If there's something from D1 you'd like me to answer for, go ahead and ask. But so far, you're not making a solid accusation, just "Ignoring day1, this is scummy", not "You did this this and this on D1, this is scummy". one of those two statements is scumhunting. one is a crappy attempt at a pointless case. You be the judge.

tl;dr if you think I'm ignoring something, tell me what it is.

again, you are pointing to my lack of posts to suggest that i am lurking and to discredit my case. do you even know what lurking is? its not 'posting low amounts', its 'cant post a lot'. then, the only confusion about magnetic was the fact that he said 'weak doctor protect fails if attaack by more than 1 person', to me: that was what THE NORMAL DOC does anyway. and also at the end where he listed everyone as likely town.
and thus u hammered and you were WRONG. BUT U CONTINUED TO START THE DAY WITH A LEAD (PROB FAIL COS UR SCUM)

[andrew94]

????
on which paricular things

[andrew94]

@ surprise, you my friend, had no case against me.
so far as i saw, your case started when i made a case on you. you said that i had 4 posts (a deflection). and wheres the actual case against me? yea 4 posts and no comment about magnetic day 1. HOW ABOUT SEE IF I POSTED AT ALL BRO (know what mcc dota tourney means? i said vla in my other game).

post 319 is a correct transalation of what i said.
bgg1996 is oppourtunistic in attempting to lynch me. where have i said i refuse to post my opinions.
then surprise just says 'yea he doesnt wann apoint out his opinions'.

[andrew94]

Alright, that's it

unvote. Vote: Andrew94

I gave you a good, long list of things you could give some opinion or another about

, and then you come in here and strawman(correct usage. Answer a different, but superficially similar question to the one asked) your way into self-righteousness. And I always keep an eye on lurkers, they just happen to get my attention when they start flimsy, pointless cases, against me or not. And you haven't SAID you refuse to post your opinions. You just HAVE failed to post your opinions.

WHERE THE HELL IS IT.
all i can find is 'whats everyones opinion on andrew'

DIAF

[andrew94]

Alright, since you are stupid on TOP of being scum...

mafia edit:

on which particular things

Try...absolutely everything that has gone on this game so far that you've ignored. From the RQS thing early on that you haven't said a thing about, on to the magnetic thing which you almost entirely ignored, or maybe any of the debates so far that you've said nothing about. Your 'case' against me is the most content we've gotten from you all game, and I'll be damned if it's of any quality at all.

Here. Right here. I gave you a list of possible things you might have had opinions about, but which you said nothing to. You have done nothing but occasionally take a pot shot at me. Even with Bgg coming under heavy fire, you have been suspiciously quiet. You could give us on opinion on that, for example! What do you think about Bgg's various accusations? What do you think about CKD's lurking, or Regfan being all shepherd-ie. SAY SOMETHING THAT MATTERS.

right: i have to go now, but ill do it when i get back.
so things to note: i was at mcc tourney when magnetic was getting owned and erm i said bgg was oppourtunistic.

[andrew94]

Try...absolutely everything that has gone on this game so far that you've ignored. From the RQS thing early on that you haven't said a thing about, on to the magnetic thing which you almost entirely ignored, or maybe any of the debates so far that you've said nothing about. Your 'case' against me is the most content we've gotten from you all game, and I'll be damned if it's of any quality at all

THIS WAS NEXT QUOTE

Even with Bgg coming under heavy fire, you have been suspiciously quiet. You could give us on opinion on that, for example! What do you think about Bgg's various accusations? What do you think about CKD's lurking, or Regfan being all shepherd-ie. SAY SOMETHING THAT MATTERS.

repeating:so things to note: i was at mcc tourney when magnetic was getting owned and erm i said bgg was oppourtunistic.
other things to note: i have school, i come home, i do hw, i read mafiascum, i say something, i sleep, etc. happy??

alright: rqs stuff: too late for that
magnetic: i was at mcc tourney, then school as i said above.
my case against you: i find it meritable??? for example, as maxous has stated, you actually only started on me after i accused you. i didnt occasionally take a pot shot at you? in fact, i think i attacked you first.
i already said bgg was being opportunistic
ckd lurking: null on that

@volkan, lurking doesnt mean not reading, it means not posting on purpose. ffs.
@ maxous, to your question, i wouldnt hammer as i even said i was gonna defend him due to him being a troll in my modded game
and i find that your fence sitting --> saying andrew94> surprise. then saying surprise still = leaning town read.
what the hell am i then? super town read?

subgenius: conversation to yura looks like coaching

unfos ckd fos maxous fos subgenius

[andrew94]

also, please look at my sig

[andrew94]

i did give opoinions on almost every player apart from volakn himself(who is a bully)

the rest i havent seen much of

[andrew94]

Another small problem I have is that

you are, apparently, fos-ing maxous

...for thinking you're town...And you're fos-ing Sub for a reason that, on the surface looks nice, but in practice is stretching at best. Currently thinking an Andrew/Yura team, or possibly one of the two is SK. Given their dialogue, I'm thinking that Reg and CKD are likely both town, but I haven't had more then one or two games with an SK before(And one of the setups was REALLY weird) so I'm not exactly sure how they read.

hmm? are you saying if everyone calls me town then i cant fos or vote ANYONE since they all think im to win? that seems like an epic way to say 'i like it that your contributing now' then 'but ur contribution is bad, this is why etc'.

[andrew94]

@volkan post 383.


@maxous, that wasnt all that was to my case, read the rest
@subgenius why is traunt 2 A and yura 2B, why is yura not 3???
also, how are those no content posts designed to look town like.

[andrew94]

soz for triple post, but i thought the most susopicious post was surprises's deflecting to me by saying i lurk



p.s. volkan,, respond to the definition of lurk pls

[andrew94]

@ surprise, dude that wasnt to you, someone asked me which post was the most suspicious, and i said yours.
also, why do you repeatedly refer to my lurking,. i am posting exactly the same times as before (once to twice a day) and suddently im not lurking? lol/


@volkan, acitve lurking is reading and not posting. im reading AND posting

@everyone, more after homework

also, bgg feudin slipped

fos bgg

[andrew94]

i have a chemistry practical so v/la for 21 hours

[andrew94]

ermm i just noticed. if you look at ckd, earlier, he calls me dumbass (or something) for my comment of his '1000 games under belt'. later on, he quotes my comment AGAIN and makes a different response. infact, as i look at his post, it seems hes just opening 2 windows, one typing, and the other one quoting and responding to absolutely everything. this reads scum.

also, as i have said, yuri seems to be a guy..

[andrew94]

as in 2 internet explorers, and doing this:


i.e.

1st internet:

post:
xxxxxxx
quote: a 'sds' this is so...

2nd internet
a says:sds
b says: sddsi
c says: sds

etc

[andrew94]

because then, he doesnt read what happened, just generally commenting. i notice that when you read the whole thing, you will notice that people have already addressed the points.

thus: wall of fluff

[andrew94]

ckd commenting on everything that has happened, even those he commented before ALREADY , and even those others have commented on, just shows he is what sub said: avoiding attention

not answering town reads

[andrew94]

pfft, you missed my point.

he said X earlier

he said X again (in a sort of different way) in his'catchup post'

[andrew94]

im not listening to a thing you are saying, and it seems to me you are discreting making me stop 'looking into this' by a hidden threat of 'weird' = 'if you talk more about it = i vote'

rofl

[andrew94]

im not listening to a thing you are saying, and it seems to me you are discreting making me stop 'looking into this' by a hidden threat of 'weird' = 'if you talk more about it = i vote'

rofl

Can someone ELSE explain to him what's wrong with this whole mess of a post, then?

erm no because i think my case is good, and your threatening me with 'weird'.
it may be that you think i am scum, thus u are refuxing everything i am saying, but you are scum so..

[andrew94]

Andew, can you link me to 2-3 games where you've been mafia please.

to answer your previous question: repeating of his own points is just 'over the top'. if you get my meaning

to find my scum games, press my name, press topics, find scum games...

[andrew94]

@regfan, i am wondering why you are picking games that are far apart (im sure i have some scum games in betwen those). are you selectively picking?

also, someone has also said this in {redacted} game. it didnt go well.

@subgenius, im pretty sure surprise is scum and that post was so he/i wont go muttering about each other.also what are you trying to say when you said i am concerned about surprise putting a vote on me, when the vote is already on me.

[andrew94]

i dont understand

[andrew94]

did traunt write that sentence??

alright, and bgg's case is just fail

[andrew94]

i dont understand colluqial language, what is 'oh wow, is he ever wrong'.
what i am saying is that bgg's case is full of wifom and fail>

[andrew94]

Some of what I've noticed upon re-reading Andrew:

Post #315. He states what was 'confusing' about Magnetic was that he claimed weak doc with normal doc explanation. However he came back and said he was going to defend Magnetic after he was hammered. Why would he state he was going to defend Magnetic when he was 'confused' as to why their claim doesn't add up to their claim description?

Post #387. Blatant lie, at that point all he had stated a read on was Subgenius, S_C and Ckd. His read on Subgenius went from pro-town to FoS on him without any reasoning as well.

Well, what would you like me to refer to about day 1? It was dominated by someone whose sole purpose was to mislead and confuse us. If there's something from D1 you'd like me to answer for, go ahead and ask. But so far, you're not making a solid accusation, just "Ignoring day1, this is scummy", not "You did this this and this on D1, this is scummy". one of those two statements is scumhunting. one is a crappy attempt at a pointless case. You be the judge.

tl;dr if you think I'm ignoring something, tell me what it is.

again, you are pointing to my lack of posts to suggest that i am lurking and to discredit my case. do you even know what lurking is? its not 'posting low amounts', its 'cant post a lot'. then, the only confusion about magnetic was the fact that he said 'weak doctor protect fails if attaack by more than 1 person', to me: that was what THE NORMAL DOC does anyway. and also at the end where he listed everyone as likely town.

and thus u hammered and you were WRONG. BUT U CONTINUED TO START THE DAY WITH A LEAD (PROB FAIL COS UR SCUM)

this was the post. surprise said that day 1 was dominating by someone who confused the heck out of everyone. i said the only confusion was he claimed weak doctor and described what a normal doctor does. i clearly also said that i wanted to def magnetic because he trolled in my other game too.
to your second point, well yea, i just had those reads.
and your next point, cant i change my view on subgenius? lol

[andrew94]

ermm i just noticed. if you look at ckd, earlier, he calls me dumbass (or something) for my comment of his '1000 games under belt'. later on, he quotes my comment AGAIN and makes a different response. infact, as i look at his post, it seems hes just opening 2 windows, one typing, and the other one quoting and responding to absolutely everything. this reads scum.

also, as i have said, yuri seems to be a guy..

really?...your comment WAS NOT ABOUT "1000 games under my belt.

yes it fcking was. i said '1000 games under my belt' as a shortcut to that post. which includes the vigs and crap (which was a misunderstanding) (what happened was i thought u said the stab was a vig(which was my bad), thus i said 'arent u 1000 games played, you should know better', to which you replied 'wrong, dumbass etc' i then admitted i was wrong. THEN on your huge post later on, you commented on that again. this just shows that you have no idea that you already commented on this earlier?

as in 2 internet explorers, and doing this:


i.e.

1st internet:

post:
xxxxxxx
quote: a 'sds' this is so...

2nd internet
a says:sds
b says: sddsi
c says: sds

etc

are you saying I am scummy, because I type as I read???....WTF?...explain?

err no. the above post was me explaining to surprise (or someone else) what i meant by the windows thing. my original case was that you were commenting on stuff you already commented before.

ckd commenting on everything that has happened, even those he commented before ALREADY , and even those others have commented on, just shows he is what sub said: avoiding attention

not answering town reads

I have no clue what the fuck you are saying here. I have no clue what “avoiding attention” or things I commented on twice mean....please provide quotes....Hey, if you think I am scum, why havent you voted me?

dude i clearly said you are commenting on things that you have already commented before. this means that you just wanna say stuff, even if you or others have already said so.

pfft, you missed my point.

he said X earlier

he said X again (in a sort of different way) in his'catchup post'

lets say I did whatever you are saying I did here.

why is that scummy?

see above

[andrew94]

stuff i missed bfore:

@subgenius, my bad if im wrong, but didnt u call me more town than surprise before?, so im scum by poe now?
@ckd, why i didnt vote you?? i was voting surprise and im pretty sure i fos'ed you
@volkan just an aside, when you referred to yura as 'he' than 'she', do you have any additional info?
@surprise i looked at your iso and i see a lot of stuff you saying to bgg like 'ur scummy but i see it as town flumbly' etc so im prob inclined to believe you.

unvote vote ckd

[andrew94]

v/la 2 days/

where is the entirety of your case on me ckd? it seems ur just pissed i got you

@volkan, prob

[andrew94]

o really?
then imagine yourself without your 'case' on me and look at ckd's 'case' on me.
what do you see.

[andrew94]

it appears that haylen hasnt fully read the game as there was some errors when she was referring to me (such as the lurking for instance)

[andrew94]

alright. so bgg your saying im the Sk, and you made random points (1 2 3 4 etc) basically your reasoning is that tclawren died by a stab that i must be a sk? right?


@volkan, i have to say, your argument with haylen, which took up half your post, looks like a 'fake wall', if you get what i mean.
what do you have to say about bgg and surprise.

[andrew94]

@bgg, well surprise soft claimed and it concluded you in the 'innocent' list, so ill wait till he claims.

what cant you make heads or tails of? i was attacking surrprise, surprise then attacked me for lurking, (which is deflecting) (And i am not lurking)
and so it goes

[andrew94]

Side note, everybody look at Andrew's ISO. Five posts, 2 votes, no substance(I'm tempted to say 4 posts, since one is just him accusing yura of being a man). And aside from that, I dislike his refusal to read 'walls' since it pretty well excludes him from any real argument or well-made case, since they are all going to pretty well come in wall form. There is simply too little to go on for me to have an idea if he's scum yet or not, but what there is definitely points to anti-town behavior, at best, and scum at worst.

this was the post

[andrew94]

read pages 10 11 and 12.

that argument has been going on for a long time since page 10, u missed page 10 11 perhaps

[andrew94]

@bgg look at these
geez
post 237 i accused surprise
post 244 surprise defends himself
post 245-246 surprise says i have low posts (AND THAT IS WHERE I SAID WAS THE DEFELCTING)
post254 i say he is deflecting
and so on

No, he didn't because you made an answer that was entirely incorrect for the post you quoted, which means one of two things. Either you misquoted, or you were making up whatever you thought might work. Now, since you have already stated that you did not, in fact, misquote, then there can only really be one logical conclusion.

nice 'trying to trap me into a corner' but bgg just misunderstood.

[andrew94]

also i find surprise's mumbling of lynching the sk = peeling back 1 death = good etc

how about if there is a sk and we fail to lynch it = cross kills?

think about it
10 ppl now
9 ppl lynch, if sk lynched

8ppl at next day (5:3 ratio MYLO)(assuming 3 scum)


so yea i just decided i didnt believe you surprise, claim plz and i have conclusions depending on what u claim

[andrew94]

hmm? my post disappered
typing it again..


did you not see my 'crosskills' part before commenting? lol i have alrady made a case agianst surprise, i dont need to downgrade surprise by saying he 'mumbles', do you know what mumble means? im pretty sure it means speaking retardedly.and thus i said that that point is wrong, not a 'discredit' dumbass.
also, did you even read 244? are you saying that is a good defence? in the next post surprise basically just pointed out my lurking, which i explained on day 1 'going to tourney' to DEFLECT MY CASE.
i forgot what was next in my train of thought......

anyway, im pretty sure i said pretty crap stuff, so how come i only got +10 so far? lol

[andrew94]

Andrew

He posted fluff in his Iso post 1 when there was a whole ton of stuff he could have commented on. Which is scummy.

In his last few posts, Andrew has told me that he hasn't lurked. I suggest he goes at looks back at day one where there is a contradiction to that in that he only posts 3 posts, none of which contain proper content.

DID U NOT SEE DOTA TOUREY? HELLO

He votes for Carcin on Day Two, without providing a case on her and the only explanation being that he finds he disturbing.

@surprise, im saying that you are attacking the most' suspicious' person- yura, in order to deflect attention.

If he finds yura the most suspicious then he should be voting for her. His suspicions are not in proportion with his votes.

... I WAS SAYING YURA is kinda like a townie that hammered, like that, that looks suspicious, and surprise went after 'easy' targtet

do you even know what lurking is? its not 'posting low amounts', its 'cant post a lot'. then, the only confusion about magnetic was the fact that he said 'weak doctor protect fails if attaack by more than 1 person', to me: that was what THE NORMAL DOC does anyway. and also at the end where he listed everyone as likely town.
and thus u hammered and you were WRONG. BUT U CONTINUED TO START THE DAY WITH A LEAD (PROB FAIL COS UR SCUM)

Pretty much all of this is fail logic.

pfft

bgg1996 is oppourtunistic in attempting to lynch me. where have i said i refuse to post my opinions.

Fail logic again. Why would you not post your opinions? Wouldn't he try to lynch someone who refused to give their opinions on people and play the game? And I do see it as Andrew not giving his opinions, by the way.

HOW DID I NOT POST MY OPINIONS LOL

As soon as people put pressure on him, he gets desparate and tells them to 'DIAF'. which is deflection in itself. 'If you think im scum, then you can DIAF :<'

lol i only said diaf once in this game (i think) rofl. and im pretty sure my diaf was alone not in a 'if u think im scum then u can diaf sentence'

i did give opoinions on almost every player apart from volakn himself(who is a bully)

Hypocrit. I can't see a list of opinions either.

lady im pretty sure i said later that i gave opinions on ppl who said stuff or wherebouts

that seems like an epic way to say 'i like it that your contributing now' then 'but ur contribution is bad, this is why etc'.

And it's not OK to say that? Well here you go. I like that you're contributing, but you're not contributing in a town way.

Andrew has a false sense of what Active Lurking is.

no i dont

because then, he doesnt read what happened, just generally commenting. i notice that when you read the whole thing, you will notice that people have already addressed the points.

thus: wall of fluff

Um no. If everyone in every game started doing what you are suggesting CKD stop doing, then nobody would get anywhere in a game. If he doesn't post at all, then I'm assuming you will call him scum for lurking. Thus it's a catch 22 situation.

are you serious? holy ****. how about i start from page 1 and start quoting out everything and commenting on that, and even say stuff i have already said and even said stuff i have already said and even said stuff i have already said, does that = contribution?

He makes all of these points but he doesn't explain what those points are. Like this, for example:

alright, and bgg's case is just fail

By not saying why it is fail, he's not giving Bgg the chance to defend himself which is scummy and could be distancing.

check out bgg's case.

it appears that haylen hasnt fully read the game as there was some errors when she was referring to me (such as the lurking for instance)

No there wasn't, you made 2 posts on day one.

DOTA TOURNEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Conclusion: Either scummy, or a really really bad player. I'm willing to vote for him today, since people seem more interested in voting for him that bgg, then:

andrew dictionary suggests that that = survival

Vote Andrew

[andrew94]

@voklan, w/e

the above bolded bits are mine, ( i screwed up the end bit )

looking at ppl who voted me
bgg; thinks im sk
ckd: omgus
haylen: survival

[andrew94]

i am a vt. haylen's claim seems bs

unvote vote crymeariver

survival etc

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gg

i read the game after i died but i just didnt have enough time after haylen got lynched
i also disagree with the roleblock ruling