Let's get started! Hmmm...after reading over the first few posts, there is no one better to vote than....
I know, right, not very surprising?
I think it was IGMEOU = I got my eye on u. Having trouble entering the conversation twisted? How do you feel about the interactions between ender/erathos? me/farside? rhinox/oso?Twistedspoon wrote:EGMEOU?Rhinox wrote:Fair enough explanation, oso. But EGMEOU still.
I still think its an RVS vote. Sometimes people comment on what a previous person said in their OMGUS. Like, if I were to vote Rhinox and say "we're gonna beat you!" He might come back and say "we're? Well that tells me you are on a different team". It wouldn't matter. We would both be bantering. If it were a serious vote it would be a pretty pathetic reason.Oso wrote:....
and think on it. Or comment. Or don't. But any input would be welcome. What got me the most about it was it doesn't seem to be an RVS vote but it is the first 'real' post of the game so by definition, it can't be anything other than a joke/RVS vote. But it's not a joke or RVS vote. Look at the way it's worded.
The post itself is a contradiction.
You can see my wiki to see that I literally don't count those games. It's like saying I smoked pot but didn't inhale. I didn't "get" it. I mean I got the idea of mafia but was unprepared for being "townie" or "scummy". And I replaced pretty quickly. I am embarrassed by the game, both by my play, and my attitude. It is something I would rather forget.Me=Weird wrote:TS's early posts seemed like town trying to get the game moving, so I have a town read on him.
Experience is somewhere around 25 games.
@Juls 32, does a game not count if you've changed a lot since then? I play way different than my early games, but I would still count them.
Oso-TS seems town on town right now, and I can say that in another game he said the same thing about pre-empting questions. Though he was scum then…
I can see EA scum, and I don't see anyone better right now, so
Vote: Erratus Apathos
I still think it is a good point he brought up. As town, I think you are more likely to do less analysis of what YOU are saying and MORE analysis of what someone else is saying. At the time I switched my vote, it was on Rhinox as a RV. I felt at that point its better to take my vote off someone who has a good point and put it on someone who did something that looked suspicious. Does it make Oso 100% scum? No, but its the best place to put my vote at this time. And I still feel it is. Look, I have played with Rhinox at least 2 times officially and even more in Marathon games. He has been scum and town. He is probably the one I have the best "feel" for.farside wrote:Rhinox post 38 I do this all the time no matter my alignment. How often do you see scum do this? What about players that are town?
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juls post 48 Not a fan of following.
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Next up. I don't like Jul's following of Rhinox in post 48.
How have I not been contributing? I have been one of the primary ones.Me=Weird wrote:Farside: Why single out TS? Javert, Klazam, Saurus and to a lesser extent Juls haven't really said much either.
So you are saying this wasn't JUST an Random Vote?errastus wrote:I'm saying "fair enough" because his post showed that my interpretation of his pregame comment was wrong.
It's not a lazy question. You mention nothing of ender but you vote him. It's a legitimate question. So your problem with ender is that you disagree with his read on Prosaurus? What about that makes him scummy? Do you think everyone who disagrees with you is scum?Javert wrote:Try reading ender241's last post. What a lazy question.
Me=Weird Example 1 wrote:With his new post though, he says "Fair enough" to what's obviously a joke like it's completely serious. And then "What "definition" forces my vote to be a joke or RVS vote?"Seems to denythat he was serious,yet later he saysit was attempting to move the game forward. Next heseems pretty eager to vote klazam, for something that a lot of people say(mostly random).It could be scum hoppingoff their buddy at first opportunity.
Me=Weird Example 2 wrote:I can definitely see ender scum, I know others have said this, but I'm re-stating it anyway.
It's the way he is presenting his cases thats off to me. When he attacks someone he presents it to the town instead of attacking the person outright and asking them questions. Am I completely off my rocker or does anyone else see what I see?Me=Weird Example 3 wrote:Post 91,says saurus is tryingto get out of situations where he'd be voted, when it was just no reads.
Post 113-114,doesn't think javert's a day vig, and is just using it to say whatever he wants. He stated that he's going to kill today, so it's easily confirmable, so scum wouldn't want to claim it.
117 "He can't kill all of us"sounds a lot more like scum talking to his teamthan about town.
125 doesn't really answer the questions.
130,he want's javert to waituntil we have almost confirmed scum, a prime opportunity to kill him. "I'll find out what he is tonight." Wait, what's this? You're going to kill him?
A scum gambit or town gambit? Why would we do that would little pressure on him at all? I didn't assume gambit but I rarely, if ever, gambit myself.Rhinox wrote:I noticed Javert claimed day vig. Probably a gambit. I'm not too concerned about it if its not, as it seems like his shot would not end the day or change the number to lynch causing an inadvertant hammer.
Let's be clear, that was a bit more than a soft claim. It was intended to be caught. It's kinda eating at me to be honest. It was so blatant.Oso wrote:One other point of note. Ender may have made a soft claim here: Right before his NE vote "I'll find out what he is tonight". For my part, I'm still processing that one. Could be awkward wording or an incomplete thought or a soft-claim. I haven't decided which one for myself yet.
No. I would agree if he were active lurking but he is not existing at all. There is no reason to vig him unless he has a replacement that gives us a reason to think he is scummy.EA wrote:as TS seems likes he's trying to stay in the back seat while everyone else fights. I considered voting Klazam too, but there's a better way of dealing with him: Hey Javert, you said you'd vig someone for 4 days without content? Well Klazam has gone the entire game without content, so you know what to do.
Nothing about that claim was by accident. Really. I mean come on. That was a claim that was MEANT to be seen. I was kinda good with you until you said it was an "accident"ender wrote:as i accidently claimed earlier and i thought it would be easier than people having speculations
farside wrote:ender claims one-shot cop. I've been in enough games that I rarely see a game without a cop and no counter claim, unless scum have a cop role which is more rare and usually in non normal games.
farside wrote:There are post that say next to nothing of value (IE: Fluff) Juls wrote:
As for prosaurus playing the newb card. Without discussing his ongoing games, I will just say that it is not a surprise for him to play the newb card, nor do I find it scummy. This is Pro's first non-newbie game. While I don't plan to allow him to get by on that without scum-hunting I'm not going to assume he is auto-scum based on it. It can be intimidating playing with experienced players as a very raw new player.
See post 273Prosaurus wrote:@Juls Why vote Maxous? Any reasons you can tell us?
And it's about time I put my vote somewhere: VOTE: Erratus Apathos
Ender has claimed a PR, so we shouldn't lynch him if we think scumteam is EA Ender and Rhinox.
EA was most suspicious otherwise.
Can you please clarify something for me, ender, are you seriously claiming that your "crumb" was an accident? I implied in a previous post that I think this is ridiculous, but you have not responded, so I guess I need to ask you point blank.ender241 wrote:Can somebody give me a good reason why Twisted is scum? I think he's town to be honest.
I would guess the least likely is TS-Mafia/ender-town. And most probable is either TS-Town/Ender-Town or TS-Town/Ender-Mafia. The latter only because I can't get past ender saying his "crumb" was an accident.farside wrote:Honestly I can't see 2 one shot cops. I've never heard of it. Juls broken down the possibilities, but I wonder do you (Juls) have a view on any one of those possibilities between the two players?
I have seen EA blatantly ask for a Klazham vig and he was voting him at one point. So I don't think he is ignoring him.farside wrote:EA: Why are you ignoring Klaz who is pretty much doing next to nothing when it comes his reasoning? I see you mentioned this with Pro.
I see Pro at least going thru what everyone is saying and replying the the case against him.
Klaz on the other hand I feel. His reason's for voting for Pro was for role fishing but he doesn't say anything about TS who was doing the same thing. I have to wonder when people leave out those who when you look at their post and doesn't comment on them.
Basically what I am getting from this is "my gut said he was town but everyone else thought he was scummy so I bandwagoned". I like my vote.Me=Weird wrote:Juls:
a. Ididn'tthink he was town. I've said already that I felt his scummy actions overweighed the gut town feel. All that happened was the claim changed that.
At the moment, IMaxous wrote:@Juls: Do you not beleive Javert's claim?
I always struggle with cops especially because its such an easy fake claim. You just say you got an innocent or two and you are golden until LYLO in most cases. Then you get into a world of "what-if's" whether its a real cop or not. One-shot cops makes it even worse.Rhinox wrote:ugh, I need to reread and figure out who my suspects are. Someone asked for a top 3, I don't have that right now. I'm not going to just throw names out as suspects without good reasons.
I was REALLY hoping Javert was gambiting, and we'd have an alive, confirmed town ender right now based on his reaction to being fake day-killed. As it stands, unless all of our PRs are now outed and scum have a RB and a GF, I'm suspicious of 2 1-shot cops in addition to a day vig. Think about it, if they aren't forced to claim D1, typical scenario would be they could claim results tomorrow, and they'd be 4 confirmed town. If the day vig is also town, they could take out a guilty result on D2, or the scummiest player without ending the day and progressing to night. That seems like a lot of power and a lot of cleared players potentially by day 2.
Have you ever seen a scum day vig? Has anyone? I would love to see the game if you have. I could see a scum day-vig in themed but not normal.Rhinox wrote: But if both cops and the mason claims are all town, then Javert is looking an awful lot like a scum 1 shot vig to counter all the confirmed innos.
I don't like that you are already making excuses.Twistedsppon wrote:what do you mean prove? say, what if i was roleblocked etc.