Mini 1157 - Witch-Hunt Nightless - Game Over

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Vote: Dramonic

for love <3

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Oh shit. I really hope this is not mountainous too... all vanilla games are so droll.

Unvote. Vote: Caboose

wagon time kids

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I also read the 8:4 nightless in the queue.

confirm

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yes

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It was listed on the front fucking page.

inb4anotheroutofgameargument

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PS HE ALSO TOLD US THAT IT'D BE 8:4 NIGHTLESS WHEN YOU WERE AT MY GODDAMN APARTMENT PLAYING EGYPTIAN RATSCREW WITH HIM AND DRAM
DO NOT START THIS SHIT KISE

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what

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THE GODDAMN FRONT PAGE OF THE QUEUE
I SWEAR TO GOD KISE I WILL FUCK YOUR MOTHER IF YOU PULL THIS SHIT AGAIN

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edit

FUCK YOUR FATHER

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What a plethora of information!

Kise is town, I totally didn't catch the townslip. He did the same thing in [redacted - ongoing game] so I'm going to call it genuine here as well.

TOWN:

Me, Kise

One of Parama and Scumhunter is mafia. Or witch. Or whatever. My gut is leaning towards Parama but Scumhunter's reasoning on Parama is shitty. Scumhunter gets points for calling out Kise as supertown though so yeah.

Unvote; Vote: Parama

Vote is going here for now. Everyone else needs to post moar.

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Also my randomizer gave me these four as scum:

Nachomamma8
Scumhunter s
brundibar
Caboose

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I'm trying to wrap my head around this, so I'll do it IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER

Kise suggests we lynch Parama.
Parama votes Kise.
Scumhunter votes Parama (presumably for voting Kise).
Parama reactively votes Scumhunter.

So, at this point, Parama has committed two OMGUS votes without reasoning.

Scumhunter reactively votes Parama.
Parama gives his abridged summary of Scumhunter so far in the game.
Parama says that Scumhunter is not giving reasons for his vote, which is directly hypocritical.
Parama shifts gears for the RANDOM.ORG MAFIATEAM GENERATOR experiment.
Scumhunter explains where he is getting his scum and town reads from, but doesn't elaborate much further.

Scumhunter looked bad with his reactionary vote on Parama, but Parama's hypocrisy, followed by OMG CHANGE THE TOPIC looks terrible.

PAGE THREE DINGDINGDINGDINGDING

Kise explains where Scumhunter's read came from.
Parama posts a wall basically ad homming Scumhunter with a bunch of space-wasting shit.
Kise explains how a dramonic/Caboose/Scumhunter/DemonHybrid mafia team would play out.
Scumhunter further clarifies that Kise committed a town-tell, and Parama didn't really scumslip but his vote on Kise was bad.
Kise humors Parama's ad ohm post for some stupid fucking reason.

If Scumhunter is scum, then Kise is one of his buddies. However, Parama's flailing looks fluffy and half-assed.

NOTE: Trouble popping in to capsrage about not getting "the jokes" (lolwut?) but not commenting on anything is noted.


My vote stays where it is, because Parama looks terrible for the following reasons:
1) OMGUS votes twice in consecutive posts.
2) Justifies vote on Scumhunter using hypocritical logic.
3) Resorts to vaguely ad-hoministic attacks on Scumhunter.

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1. But it's a shitty reason for a vote, and doing it twice to people who are voting you is terrible.

2. You didn't give reasons. You voted OMGUS-like... then (wrongly, IMO) "summarized" his posts, which is not a case, nor a real reason... then you were all BAWWWW SCUMHUNTER ISN'T GIVING ME REASONS FOR HIS VOTE *sniff*

3. His town-tell was obvious to Kise, apparently. I didn't pick up on it, but it's completely genuine, and he's done more earnest hunting than you have.

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For the record, Scumhunter's brundibar vote.

Nothing is scummier.

Scumhunter, why did you throw an RVS vote after RVS was dead and gone, and so randomly?

And the reason you' avoiding to comment on the Parama-Kise-Reck-Scumhunter situation is because?

Because Scumhunter's crappy vote solidified to me that he's scum, and therefore, the whole argument is noise.

Why are you trying to distract us from his crappy vote?

tunneltunneltunneltunnel

also
"lol the only thing that is relevant is my read on this person, i will make no attempt to gain any further info on anyone else to help extrapolate this read"

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Parama + DemonHybrid + lurker + lurker

or, in some rare case

Scumhunter + Kise + lurker + lurker

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Reck's playing like in Deadmines, he can go next.

OH LOOK A META CASE, HOW CONVENIENT
so what exactly is my scummeta and what exact is my townmeta
please
elaborate
im soooo intrigued

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Reck
Kise
Scumhunter
A 4th person who tries to defend his brundibar vote/distracts the argument from his brundibar vote

Calling it, page 3.

relevant

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Kise explains where Scumhunter's read came from.
Parama posts a wall basically ad homming Scumhunter with a bunch of space-wasting shit.
Kise explains how a dramonic/Caboose/Scumhunter/DemonHybrid mafia team would play out.
Scumhunter further clarifies that Kise committed a town-tell, and Parama didn't really scumslip but his vote on Kise was bad.
Kise humors Parama's ad ohm post for some stupid fucking reason.

If Scumhunter is scum, then Kise is one of his buddies. However, Parama's flailing looks fluffy and half-assed.

FUCKING READ WHAT I SAID LAST PAGE THEN GET BACK TO ME

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Reck
Kise
Scumhunter
A 4th person who tries to defend his brundibar vote/distracts the argument from his brundibar vote

Calling it, page 3.

what brundibar vote

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Parama, if you want to call me a liar for that, I suppose I'd have to admit to being a liar by semantics. Yes, I'm a liar. A town-sided liar who uses lies to state disapproval of your actions.

unvote, Brundibar

Because I feel like it.

OKAY WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
Scumhunter you explain now or so help me god

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WHAT PISSES ME OFF NOW IS THAT IT MEANS AT LEAST ONE OF PARAMA AND SCUMHUNTER IS JUST BEING HERPADERP TOWN BECAUSE NO WAY WOULD SCUM FUCKING PLAN THAT SHIT IN THE QT

that would be the most complex, confusing bus ever

brb going to liquor store
RECKY'S GETTIN DRUNK

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So, how's about we lynch Scumhunter now and connect the dots?

I'm tempted to agree with this mentality. Given the setup, where we have FOUR mislynches, fast lynches early on can tell us a lot.

But yeah, nothing important seems to have occurred. Be back soon for more attempted analysis.

STARTING TO LIKE SCUMHUNTER'S VOTE

Eh I'm not sure if we should lynch cuz information and yeah

what
the
fuck
Trouble is now at +2 scum points

Caboose is obvtown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUoOcDGMgT4

I want to policy lynch you on this shit alone.

He scum with you Reck? Dude I'm can be honest with me, I won't lynch you. I'll save you as the last lynch like you're a final boss or something.

Take him back. I don't want him.

I swear I think he's just the typical newb mislynch.. I think at least 1 mislynch can be afforded before wwe go back to DH, Parama.

YOU ARE VOTING SOMEONE YOU THINK IS A MISLYNCH?
YOU ARE FUCKING LUCKY THAT OBVTOWNTELL GOT DROPPED EARLIER I SWEAR TO GOD

unvote

btw because what is this

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Actually nah

Vote: Trouble

His posts so far are as follows:
1) RANDOM VOTE
2) BAWWWWWWW I DON'T GET THE JOKES (contentless post)
3) WATCH ME EASY BANDWAGON WITHOUT A REASON WHEEEEE

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Anyways, I'm pretty sure the way to go is get 4 townreads and just powerlynch everybody else.

This is kinda how I want to attack this, too. I have Kise + Caboose as obvtown.

Unvote; Vote: Scumhunter

Can't remember if I did this last night while drunk or not.

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WHEEE THIS GAME IS STALLING ALREADY ON PAGE 6

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Reck you be bullshitting. Your towncred is shot for the rest of the game. I like how Scumhunter thinks (and in conjunction with Caboose's opinion) that at least 4 strong townreads will be enough. I have SH and Caboose town. My scumreads are STILL Parama, DH and Reck. DH and Parama noticeably ignored each other while I gave both heat. If you're not connected/scumbuddies, then why not comment on whether this person is being shady or not? Completely avoiding means you don't want attachment when they flip scum and also don't want to put more gasoline on them as Kise and the townies burn that witch booty.

Not too drunk but pardon me.

Why am I bullshitting?

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aaarrrrgghhhh....
VOTE: Caboose
i feel sick

WHAT IS THIS SHIT

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And who am I avoiding?

And please, me? Sensible?

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Mod, please prod dramonic

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I thought that was iLLLEEEGGAALLLL

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So, I was browsing the mafiawiki tonight, and I'm now disheartened. Because 8:4 nightless was one of the setups I came across, and when I realized this was not only 8:4, but also nightless, I got disheartened. It's likely this is plain vanilla.

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No, I mean, I still thought we had the potential to have PRs in this setup... but then I realized "hmm, hey, this wiki article is 8:4, like that setup we're playing"... then "hmm, hey, this is nightless, just like that setup we're playing"... then I saw it was pure vanilla and I was like 'awwww' because that's... kinda boring.

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Uh-oh.

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Guys I really don't want to read all this le sigh

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How so?

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How so?

Scumhunter I actually want a response to this.

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It is a pile of shit because we are no closer to finding the scum than when teh day started

Not satisfactory.

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I've decided I'm just going to tunnel on Scumhunter D1 then wait for a flip to go back and reread and try to draw new information on D2.

Yup.

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@Reckoner, your last post makes it clear that you are taking no responsibility for my lynch. Paraphrased: "I don't want to actually scumhunt today. I will let Scumhunter be lynched since its popular opinion and let someone else take the fall when he flips town." Who else do you fos besides me? A day 1 lynch counts the same as a lylo lynch, so please don't be as casual with voting off a townie.

Nope.
You're scum.
Like, really really really really glaringly obvious scum.

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I can see the good of you saying that, Parama. At least one of the first four in that list are town. Let's see if anyone mentions the good of your post before I do...... Reck, have you come up with a solid 4 townreads to keep alive?......I'm getting suspicious of how I'm alone in willingness to lynch Trouble. Today must not be bus day after all, eh, SH?

You're my only townread right now besides myself of course.
I haven't really been paying attention.
Just join me on the Scumhunter wagon yah?

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I can see the good of you saying that, Parama. At least one of the first four in that list are town. Let's see if anyone mentions the good of your post before I do...... Reck, have you come up with a solid 4 townreads to keep alive?......I'm getting suspicious of how I'm alone in willingness to lynch Trouble. Today must not be bus day after all, eh, SH?

We can mislynch Scumhunter if you want to, but I'd prefer to hit a worse player like brundibar.

We can mislynch Scumhunter

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Unvote; Vote: Trouble

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That is the most fucking obvious scumslip if I've ever seen one.

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IF EVERYONE'S NEXT POSTS ARE NOT A VOTE FOR TROUBLE I WILL CONSIDER YOU SCUM

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he.
said.
mislynch.

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*checks thread*
*no hammer yet*
*goes back to Warcraft III*

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Well... Trouble deserved that one.

Vote: Scumhunter

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What is the case that you saw?

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"Hypocrisy" and "joke of an ISO" being "terribly subtle" isn't a case, nor is it a reason, nor is it valid.

Stop half-assing this.

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is dram scum, Reck?

Entirely possible. Not getting strong dramtown reads here.

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So Scumhunter throws down some AtE and suddenly everyone is hopping off his wagon?

Bullshit.

PREDIT: tldr

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HAVE YOU

MET

ME?

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Not once have I called you a faggot (a term specifically offensive to me), or insinuated you were dumb or incapable of playing this game. I just think you're really obvious scum.

YA HERD

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CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME A VALID REASON WHY WE'RE OFF OF SCUMHUNTER?

And don't you dare fucking say AtE.

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Kise, do you think bussing is possible in this setup?

Furthermore, I'm telling dram to stop half-assing it since that's his

modus operandi

. But in this game, we can't afford for anyone to half-ass it, and if he doesn't pick it up I will be voting him.

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Because, your whole statement with "but I see scummy people on his wagon" basically implies that you don't think bussing would happen, therefore when scum is lynched, scum isn't going to be on their wagon.

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You know that elephant in the room called New York 126? Yeah, I'd expect you and dram to switch your style up to throw me off this time. If bussing takes place, it'd be your recent "might lynch dram" comment, now that I think about it. If there's another newcomer mislynched, I'm tunneling the shit out of you.

Stick to something, here.
You can't say, "But you and dram didn't bus in 126, so you're bussing here", "You and dram didn't bus in 126, so you might pull the same thing here", and "You and dram didn't bus in 126, so you might switch it up and semi-bus here".

You're literally lining up a lynch on me no matter which stance you take. That's a no-no. If you weren't obvtown due to the start of the game, my vote would be on you right now.

But it's not, so let's get Scumhunter.

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ITT conspiracy theories

Who are my partners busy lining up mislynches on brund?

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No.

If you're saying that those three players are town, then the ONLY three possible buddies for me are DH, Reck, dram, and brund. So don't say "possibly". There is no "possibly".

And let me get this straight: you link dram & brund together as scum, when dram hopped OFF of Scumhunter and onto brundibar?

Dude, get your story straight.

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PS, now, no matter what comment I make about dramonic, Kise can misconstrue that as me being buddied with him.

I read dram as town: "They're buddying just like they did in NY126!"
I read dram as scum: "They're bussing to throw me off!"
I read dram as null: "He isn't taking a stance on dram, trying to throw me off!"

Well played good sir.

I need to go check something regarding my townread on you.

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Oh, hurm. So it seems.

Also, forgot this was 4:8 again, as I was going off of the incorrect claim that we had 8 alive, not 11.

God dammit.

Okay, so do you think split is town?

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K who?

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brundibar seems to be acting like he's been too busy to pay attention to the game, but he's obviously been paying close enough attention to notice that Scumhunter has the biggest wagon.

Wait, I'm sorry Kise, THIS is the case that "sold" you!?

Looking at a votecount takes seconds; analyzing the entire game can take hours. How the FUCK is this a legitimate case?

You have to be kidding me.

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Uh huh....

MOD: Can you confirm the 8:4 setup?

Okay, I just realized something - Kise could very well be using his "lol idk the setup" thing just like I did in NY126, although I was actually LEGITIMATE there. However, my "not knowing the setup" somehow "confirmed" me as town, and I ended up winning the game for my scumteam. This no longer clears Kise, in my book, since he could be trying to emulate the same conditions here.

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That's too much WIFOM rolled into one sentence.

scumKise backing himself into a corner like that seems illogical; but at the same time, the game JUST ended, so it's fresh on everyone's minds. He had nothing to lose in bringing it up anyway. Me, him, and dramonic were all in it.

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split is a newbie alright.

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Or it's scum being lazy and hiding behind that. How you're finding a way to justify brund's laziness as obvious town, I have no idea. I'm amazed.

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Im drunk lemme look at this tmrw

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I have no clue what I was on about in 326.

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^^ This guy needs more votes.

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Ha. C'mon people. OPEN YOUR EYES. What kind of townie doesn't even try to convince the person voting them that they are town?

A townie who is being voted by scum. And was voting for scum way before that scum was voting for him.

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Parama, help me lynch Scumhunter and you'll get a vote from me on dram.
srs.
Dram hasn't really given me much reason to think he's town in this game.

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Mkay.

Vote: dramonic

I swear to god if you back out of this.

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I don't understand how me and brundibar were the only two votes on Scumhunter. I've repeatedly asked for a reason why Scumhunter is suddenly town and nobody has said a damn thing.

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I'm willing to make deals here.
If I lynch brund, Kise votes SH with me tomorrow.
If I lynch dram, Parama votes SH with me tomorrow.

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I see

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You're sorta terrible.

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UNVOTE: Caboose
VOTE: splitfarvle

This is an unexplained vote from D1, and pycyununn has been lurking.

split is a newbie alright.

Yes I am, do you have a reason for stating the obvious or are you just trying to hand-wave away what I'm saying?

I would still like an answer to this.

Next week is finals and my last one is on Thursday. I'm going to check in when I can.

V/LA until May 5th

I'm stating the obvious.

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Not gonna argue with scum, kthx.

Unvote; Vote: Scumhunter

TUNNELVISION IS GO

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He ask you to replace in, too?

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rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreread

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Slaxx, the two people I want to lynch right now are xReckoner and Nachomamma. If I do end up getting lynched those two should be suspects 1a and 1b. If I were a betting man, I would bet a substantial amount of money that at least one of them is mafia.

oh hi omgus

Kise is still very obv town.

oh hi buddying

While Parama's behavior is similar to xReckoner's and Nachomamma's really I have a gut town read on him.

oh hi arbitrary town read despite admitted similarity to me and nacho

quote equals post 387
oh hi calling one a tomatoe and one a tomato

Mogri is town because that first read post was super authentic yup

Brundibar was awful and was only perceived town because I thought SH was scum. #393 reads as complete bullshit to me and is something I'd do if I was scum. Your reads seem hollow.

WAGON HOPS ARE GO

Eh. I haven't played with xReckoner before. I'd say that for most players it would make them less likely to be mafia. From what I have noticed so far this game though, xReckoner is an aggressive player in other situations as well (i.e. voting me), so I take the way the Trouble lynch went as a nulltell. Until xReckoner shows a willingness to engage me I am not going to even consider changing my vote. I still very much think he is mafia and that he just assumed I would be an easy lynch target.

setting up the wagonhop off of me due to not being able to get it going


ffffff why isnt cumhunter lynched yet

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Kise needs less...something.

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I SEE SCUM'S SHIT FOR WHAT IT IS WHEN I DRINK

CALL ME DRUNKEN MOTHERFUCKING MASTER

Nay
Caffwagon proved I am the drunken master

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They are still unwilling to consider that I may be town.

This. Isn't. A. Valid. Point.

When you think someone is scummy, you push for their lynch. Stop using AtE and accept your lynch like a man.

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We'll only be lynching scum if you fucking vote SH.

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Oh my god. Now Kise's theory is that me and SH are bussing.

Drink more tomorrow, I'm interested to hear your next theory flop.

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Kise is literally trying to line up a mislynch on me and Nachomamma8, then bus his own buddy.

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How is he not?

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lol.

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What comment.

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Compared to what other comment.

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DRAMONIC
GET ON SCUMHUNTER NOW
HE'S OUR ONLY VIABLE LYNCH

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Uhhh so Parama lied about the whole deadline thing.

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Vote: Mogri

K.

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Great, ignored again. Vote stays. Thanks for making me go through a pointless quote exercise.

I'm not seeing how those two posts are similar.

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I'm gonna have to request replacement.

I just can't follow the game, and I have no more interest in it, and I haven't been giving it 100%. Sorry to do this to ya, Ethan.