Mini 1175: Iowa Mafia (Game Over!)

Twistedspoon · Post Post #25 (isolation #0) » Tue May 24, 2011 11:59 pm

Hey guys. Nice to see you, to see you nice.[/forsyth]

Final Destination wrote:Also, just FYI - this account is a hydra.

of who?

same question to the other hydra

as for hiplop, EVERY game I've played with him he's been scum D:
and this is our third game together. hmm. Let's hope he's kicked the habit

Peaf wrote:
Peaf's the name, finding scum's the game. Let's kick some ass, fellow townmembers!

...
you're trying to make it really obvious here that you're town

I think that's scummy already

VOTE: Peaf
legit wagon. Join everyone

Twistedspoon · Post Post #27 (isolation #1) » Wed May 25, 2011 12:33 am

?

RVS wagons are a great way to apply pressure and get the game going

also, we have a great reason for this one.

Peaf basically said
"Hiya. I'm town with a town role PM. I don't like scum. Scum are bad. I am town. Let's kill scum. Go town'
except not quite like that

great RVS wagon at the very least

Twistedspoon · Post Post #30 (isolation #2) » Wed May 25, 2011 2:03 am

^peaf vote looks better

Twistedspoon · Post Post #47 (isolation #3) » Wed May 25, 2011 9:49 am

Final Destination wrote:
HMM HMMMMMM HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, well don't you just wish you knew?

hydra protocol is you have to reveal the heads if asked I believe

am I wrong in assuming one half is altmasterGM though?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #49 (isolation #4) » Wed May 25, 2011 9:54 am

have you played a newbie game before peaf?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #50 (isolation #5) » Wed May 25, 2011 9:55 am

that's not meant to be an insult or anything, I'm just wondering since we I don't usually see so many jump into the mini normal queue

Twistedspoon · Post Post #53 (isolation #6) » Wed May 25, 2011 10:02 am

I know

still, I want to know if he has any past experience. That would have been a better question

Twistedspoon · Post Post #54 (isolation #7) » Wed May 25, 2011 10:02 am

Final destination is AGM and Fate I believe after doing some research, or at least those were the players in a past game

Twistedspoon · Post Post #71 (isolation #8) » Wed May 25, 2011 11:30 pm

bgg1996 wrote:
Forget Peaf, there almost isn't any content at all in kondi2424's posts.

forget a player who's been scummy for a player who hasn't turned up?

why are you so against this RVS wagon on him? Premature Peaf defending noted.

anyways

@Hiplop: what's the scummiest thing you've seen so far?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #78 (isolation #9) » Thu May 26, 2011 5:40 am

monk wrote: I get a nice town read from you because you are applying pressure.

so we follow the assumption here that scum don't apply pressure?
And even If we do I've seen players like earworm 'apply pressure' too

this seems a bad excuse for a townread

Twistedspoon · Post Post #84 (isolation #10) » Thu May 26, 2011 9:07 am

^nice catch

peaf seems to have given the more towbie of resonses to my first post asking for a wagon. I shall move on to better prospects

bgg1996 wrote:
Forget Peaf, there almost isn't any content at all in kondi2424's posts.

he had no posts

but the fact that you suspect him before he even posts and so early in the game is alarming. dare I say distancing? A rare form before they even post :/

VOTE: bgg

Twistedspoon · Post Post #86 (isolation #11) » Thu May 26, 2011 9:32 am

I can't actually

well I can in real life, but when people type I have no idea what tone they're using. Sarcasm cannot be detected without tone imo

Twistedspoon · Post Post #129 (isolation #12) » Fri May 27, 2011 4:57 am

Akira wrote:
VOTE: Peaf
Avatar please.

you should have something better to vote for

120 posts and the scummiest thing you have is no avatar?

VOTE: Akira

@FD: has it been only fate posting so far or do you both post?

eh. Acharist and I can have our own council

Twistedspoon · Post Post #132 (isolation #13) » Fri May 27, 2011 5:04 am

Final Destination wrote:
And scum will be kept off guard not knowing which way is up or what angle they can approach us from.

small question, but how does scum knowing who you are help them to keep you off guard?

anyways, regarding the finer points of your council, I assume that you're going to force all members to vote for the same person or else face exclusion/wagoning/penalty. That way you can control scum should they be in the council, no?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #161 (isolation #14) » Fri May 27, 2011 10:35 am

Peaf is probtown. I should have realised earlier. Hydra frustration I had when I was town in my first game with hydras. Town get paranoid and easily when they think scum could have an advantage

FD's probtown too. The voting switches look more town than scum actually
Greymarbe I'd classify as town too because I can agree with some of the reads but that leaves everyone else as null in general.

Akira wrote:
I need to look into a few things right now.

like what?

before I go I'd like to say that I DO NOT intend to give hiplop a free pass based on his confirmation (town?)tell. I have the least developed read on him so far etc

Twistedspoon · Post Post #163 (isolation #15) » Fri May 27, 2011 11:00 am

agreed

anything else you have?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #168 (isolation #16) » Fri May 27, 2011 11:55 am

If peaf doesn't want an avvy we can't force him. Let the avatar argument rest now

I'm not sure if it's me and It's late here, but did anyone else get a feeling of IIoA from the above post?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #183 (isolation #17) » Sat May 28, 2011 1:36 am

monk wrote:
twistedspoon - bussing peaf to a high degree if peaf is scum then twistedspoon may be his scumbuddy

Twistedspoon wrote:Peaf is probtown. I should have realised earlier. Hydra frustration I had when I was town in my first game with hydras. Town get paranoid and easily when they think scum could have an advantage

not sure what you class as bussing mate but I'm one of the more pro-peaf players here

Twistedspoon · Post Post #185 (isolation #18) » Sat May 28, 2011 1:45 am

you mean right at the start in RVS. whatever

a harsher player than I would jump at this point and call you scum for not reading the thread properly or something.

As it stands I'm still cool with Akira vote. Looks like he's riding the easiest wagon on you now too.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #187 (isolation #19) » Sat May 28, 2011 1:57 am

backpeddaling and baseless conjecture?

The irony is that I don't even think scum would be flying all over the place trying to find tells as desperately as you.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #192 (isolation #20) » Sat May 28, 2011 10:58 am

Archaist wrote:
Akira wrote:You know, I think the best thing to do about this council is wait for D2 and then start it. We need town players on it, not experienced players, IMO. We need to form a council which hopefully everyone will agree to. But that's quite impossible today.
Makes sense. Since townies outnumber scum, voting on a council after some more information is available will make it more likely to be scum free.

there are advantages to a scum being in a council. It's probably best that there is actually a scum in a council

The main advantage is that the council control the scum as his vote is forced to be that of the council's. That way he can't do whaever he likes with his vote and bus or other scum tactics

Twistedspoon · Post Post #199 (isolation #21) » Sun May 29, 2011 11:45 am

monk is very confusing. He's all over the place

I have no idea at all..
town for now though. despite what my head tells me my gut says town.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #203 (isolation #22) » Sun May 29, 2011 9:51 pm

hiplop wrote:i think monk is town tbh, i wouldnt be surprised if TS is scum. Hes been acting like he did in a previous game where he was scum

I could say the exact same for you sir

so how has my play been similar?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #221 (isolation #23) » Mon May 30, 2011 6:14 am

/agrees with emppking

but seriously, I'm scummy because I'm boring?
An unremarkable ISo is poor grounds for a lynch

anything you find scummy other than unremakableness?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #223 (isolation #24) » Mon May 30, 2011 6:24 am

sure, I'm not saying it shouldn't be seen as a weak scumtell (which it is at beast) but on it's own is a poor grounds for a lynch

which distancing might this be?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #225 (isolation #25) » Mon May 30, 2011 6:45 am

Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:sure, I'm not saying it shouldn't be seen as a weak scumtell (which it is at beast) but on it's own is a poor grounds for a lynch

Why are you talking about being lynched?

so you have no intention of your vote counting towards a lynch?

Also, are you familiar with my town meta by any chance, empking?

hiplop wrote:
Just the way you've been posting semes similar just a guess

you're grasping at straws to ride my wagon here

explain why my posting is similar. Real answer time

Twistedspoon · Post Post #227 (isolation #26) » Mon May 30, 2011 7:06 am

I had a problem with hiplop's post. Also there was little I could continue with down this line anyways. You find me scummy. great. Now I was trying to question Hiplop who I find suspicious

Besides, I thought I flipped town in that ongoing open game?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #229 (isolation #27) » Mon May 30, 2011 7:48 am

why exactly does this look like a bus?

sure the exchanges are short but that's because Hiplop hasn't provided anything. This'd be over if Hiplop only answered my question properly the first time

I'm suspecting him. It's not a bus. I don't even know his alignment and neither should you.

Also, If it was a bus, wouldn't I be voting hiplop by any chance to make my bus obvious?
This bussing theory makes no sense

Twistedspoon · Post Post #231 (isolation #28) » Mon May 30, 2011 7:55 am

If i keep questioning hiplop that doesn't greatly distance does it?
I know my questioning is genuine and have no idea where this theory has come from
'It looks like a bus'

Look at any of Hiplop's past games where he was scum. srsly. Every time someone suspects him it looks as poorly as a bus because he gives such short brief answers

Twistedspoon · Post Post #233 (isolation #29) » Mon May 30, 2011 8:55 am

I shall concede that point actually

Turns out Hiplop does have some fair reasoning after all. I'll give him the credit because it makes sense, But I must stress the point that I'm not scum this game

Twistedspoon · Post Post #235 (isolation #30) » Mon May 30, 2011 10:03 am

I shouldn't expect you to

Twistedspoon · Post Post #241 (isolation #31) » Tue May 31, 2011 2:42 am

Zachrulez wrote:
hiplop wrote:Really, the only scum i see is BGG. Not enough activty to see reactions and stuff

What is this? I don't even...

Unvote: Vote: Hiplop

OBV BUS

but seriously, everyone's having a problem with hiplop, what makes mine a bus?
If you tried to question him it would look like a bus too :p

Twistedspoon · Post Post #245 (isolation #32) » Tue May 31, 2011 3:05 am

VOTE: hiplop

no clue who his buddy would be though.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #255 (isolation #33) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:13 am

bgg1996 wrote:

Twistedspoon wrote:VOTE: hiplop

no clue who his buddy would be though.

I assume you mean buddies?
The only case in which buddy would be correct would be if you knew for certain that there were exactly two scum.

so why aren't you voting me then if you think I've scumslipped?

VOTE: bgg

Twistedspoon · Post Post #256 (isolation #34) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:14 am

I'm a supersaint vengeful Jester

come at me bro

This is obviously a joke before you flame me

Twistedspoon · Post Post #268 (isolation #35) » Tue May 31, 2011 9:29 pm

yessir

bgg1996 wrote:
Empking wrote:
bgg1996 wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:
so why aren't you voting me then if you think I've scumslipped?

VOTE: bgg

You really have to be desperate if you're voting me because I pointed out a grammatical error.

What was the point of that post then?

It was interesting, and I wanted to see his reaction.

I don't buy that

Twistedspoon · Post Post #277 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:56 am

Monk claimed?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #281 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:04 am

Archaist is town bro

bgg is a nicer wagon

Twistedspoon · Post Post #310 (isolation #38) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:09 am

this archaist wagon

come from no-where and has to be (at least partially) scum driven

hiplop wrote:UNVOTE: ts
VOTE: Archaist

Town has no motivation whatsoever to sheep this badly and without reasons

explain now comradé

Twistedspoon · Post Post #315 (isolation #39) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:07 am

Final Destination wrote:
TS wrote:Town has no motivation whatsoever to sheep this badly and without reasons

explain now comradé

Sure they do, if they're sheeping obvtown.

he was wagoning to avoid attention

and badly.

Hiplop has done this in the last 2 games I have played with him as scum

I see nothing wrong with anarchist.

I prefer a Hiplop, bgg or Akira lynch

Twistedspoon · Post Post #324 (isolation #40) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:56 am

how about short nonsensical posts and town leader buddying for starters?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #328 (isolation #41) » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:28 am

archaist?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #341 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:09 am

Akira seems less scummy to me now actually. That last post seems to mirror my town reads (although hiplop shouldn't be a town read to me but somehow is)

Bgg is the way to go

Twistedspoon · Post Post #343 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:26 am

I'll miss the 'peafjournals'

Twistedspoon · Post Post #347 (isolation #44) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:39 am

Final Destination wrote:Lurking scum is lurking.

hiplop wrote:yeah, i definitely think we're dealing with a lurk-scum.

I definitely think we're dealing with a sheep-scum

but srsly, I'd be very comfortable with a bgg flip right now. I'm willing to comprimise

In all seriousness, where did empking vanish to?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #353 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:18 am

my read on hiplop is very volatile and keeps changing

one part of me thinks he's scum sheeping and posting hollow one-liners

the other part of me just thinks he's sheepy sheepy town

and I keep switching reads

I think we'd all be glad when eventually hiplop does flip. I've played with hipscum twice before and he'd probably change his tactic if he was scum here again
I don't know

Twistedspoon · Post Post #375 (isolation #46) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:58 pm

yeah I had a feeling archaist was town however just to please the critics

did you breadcrumb mason with monk, Arachaist?

2 confirmed towns we have now

lurking empking wagon ahoy

Twistedspoon · Post Post #381 (isolation #47) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:52 pm

Akira wrote:Isn't it a pretty good idea for scum to fakeclaim mason with their scumbuddy and be safe for the rest of the game?

no that's an awful idea because

1) they become obvious scum when not NK'd
2) should one partber die the other is obvscum
3) if there are any real masons then it becomes obvious they're fake

Twistedspoon · Post Post #382 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:53 pm

Greymarble wrote:OH MAN I FOUND ONE
VOTE: MIKEMIKE

he wasn't even on the archaist wagon was he?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #385 (isolation #49) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:59 am

just because they're confirmed town it doesn't mean they're right though?

but w/e

Twistedspoon · Post Post #389 (isolation #50) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:07 am

VOTE: Empking
probably the worst wagon hopper on the anarchist wagon

and what's with the lurking?

Empking wrote:

Town

Archaist - 114 or something like that.
bgg1996
Akira - This read is dependent on Monk being scum. (If monk is town he goes back to null.)
Peaf

Empking wrote:
Vote: Achaist
- I'll probably move this if Grey moves the Hydra's vote but I don't see anything town from him and I'm happy to sheep you three.

is also a contraciction I'd expect from opportunistic scum

as well as empking, earworm and hiplop come off of the anarchist wagon looking a lot worse off.

I'd bet that at least one of {empking, hiplop, bgg, earworm} is mafioso

Twistedspoon · Post Post #391 (isolation #51) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:09 am

Zachrulez wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:just because they're confirmed town it doesn't mean they're right though?

but w/e

I'm not sure why you felt the need to say that because I never claimed that it does make them right. I do think that letting them pick the lynch is a good move at this point regardless.

so they could be confirmed town but still VIs

is that still a good move, to give them control over the whole town?

but whatever, I'm going to be voting for who i think is scum. That's how I play

Twistedspoon · Post Post #393 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:20 am

hiplop's obvscum

sadly he's obvscum when he plays as town too

that being said I have no objection whatsoever to his lynch

Twistedspoon · Post Post #395 (isolation #53) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:24 am

yeah I am

I wouldn't want 2 players to have control over the whole town. It's the most anti-town idea I've heard since I actually read a vezok post

and they're confirmed town who I had a town read on before they even claimed so I really don't see why I would question that

Twistedspoon · Post Post #397 (isolation #54) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:35 am

It's different

the council weren't trying to control the town. What happened in the council stayed in the council. I'm fine with a 3 player voting pact if they keep it that way

What you were suggesting was we give 2 players who you were happy to lynch right until they claimed and give them control over our precious votes.

nothankyoverymuch

Twistedspoon · Post Post #401 (isolation #55) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:42 am

Zachrulez wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:It's different

the council weren't trying to control the town. What happened in the council stayed in the council. I'm fine with a 3 player voting pact if they keep it that way

... the entire point of that is for them to
control
the lynch.

no council controls council members

iwhich were like 3 people

if they were controlling the whole town there would be no need in a council

Zachrulez wrote:

Twistedspoon wrote:What you were suggesting was we give 2 players who you were happy to lynch right until they claimed and give them control over our precious votes.

Yeah I am. Why does it matter that we ran them up?

you voted them because you found them either anti-town or scummy

I would not be a fan of a player who was found anti-town or scummy to be town leader over my vote

or did you vote them and not find them anti-town?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #403 (isolation #56) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:02 am

what power?

they're confirmed and that's great

we can have opinions of confirmed town and that's awesome too

I'm saying that it's daft to give them leadership though when they've clearly acted in ways which have been harmful to the town and that's why you voted them

Twistedspoon · Post Post #405 (isolation #57) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:33 am

they're both bad ideas personally

I never followed FD/GM

And yeah, lynch candidates could find scum, but I like our chances much more using the whole town

Twistedspoon · Post Post #407 (isolation #58) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:59 am

I've already said

at least 1 of {hiplop, empking, earworm}

Twistedspoon · Post Post #409 (isolation #59) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:09 am

well I have town reads on you two.

I still have no idea how that archaist wagon started though and there has to be at least 1 scum on it

Twistedspoon · Post Post #410 (isolation #60) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:17 am

actually

VOTE: earworm

I find his entrance onto the wagon scummier

earworm wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Archaist

doesn't bother to mention it's L-1

or even why he's voting

in fact in his whole ISO he doesn't even give an opinion on the player he l-1s

Twistedspoon · Post Post #412 (isolation #61) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:23 am

yeah

he was even the one who though scum would be on the anarchist wagon

that would be a bold move for scum considering he was on the wagon

Twistedspoon · Post Post #414 (isolation #62) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:40 am

your stance on me is fair enough

this post sticks out in the earworm ISo too

earworm wrote:soooooooooo we have waited long enough. If someone doesn't move over to Akira in 24 hours I'm putting Archaist at L-1.

tries to justify a bad vote before he even makes it.

and He doesn't even give a reason for his vote on Archaist anywhere in his ISO. *shakes head*

Twistedspoon · Post Post #416 (isolation #63) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:03 am

never playing one of your links full volume in my livin' room again

Twistedspoon · Post Post #418 (isolation #64) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:09 am

earworm wrote:Nothing was going to happen until one of the two people ended up at l-1.

well what were you expecting to happen?

archaist to claim scum?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #421 (isolation #65) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:11 am

^you caught up yet?

as for the earworm questioning I seem to have hit a dead end. I'm not entirely satisfied with his vagueness at how he didn't like anarchist's responses to his wagon though. Perhaps you could say how his 'defensiveness' you found to be scummy

Twistedspoon · Post Post #434 (isolation #66) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:58 am

Final Destination wrote:
And since we're dying tonight, he has to die today while we're still alive to catch him.

why do you think you're dying tonight?

over masons too?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #437 (isolation #67) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:04 am

hey FD, what d you think of earworm?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #440 (isolation #68) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:11 am

what do you think of earworm's entrance onto the anarchist wagon then?

also do you think the anarchist wagon made any players look scummier?

also your towntell on hiplop doesn't apply to him. srsly, he's been exactly the same in the past to games i've played with him as scum

Twistedspoon · Post Post #444 (isolation #69) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:13 am

go for it bro

Twistedspoon · Post Post #446 (isolation #70) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:17 am

this is the part where we realise FD is really just fate

Twistedspoon · Post Post #454 (isolation #71) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:33 am

FD is town
Zach is town
Mike is probtown

Hiplop I can roll with. I'll trust you with earworm today even though I'm still uncomfortable with his wagoning

VOTE: Hiplop

Twistedspoon · Post Post #462 (isolation #72) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:49 am

Zachrulez wrote:
I'm willing to move to a hiplop wagon, but not before bob weighs in. (Or Monk and Archaist for that matter.)

or akira

I'm very interested in why his vote is sat there doing nothing like a lemon

Twistedspoon · Post Post #467 (isolation #73) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:58 am

Zachrulez wrote:
I'm putting FD on ignore before this gets really ugly.

dude, is there seriously an ignore function on this forum?

anyways, I'm seeing this zach reaction as a frustrated town one.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #472 (isolation #74) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:44 am

Zachrulez wrote:
Fate's playstyle breeds defensive reactions. The problem with him is that he thinks they all come from scum.

this is quite true actually

Twistedspoon · Post Post #473 (isolation #75) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:46 am

WHY ARE YOU LURKING EMPKING?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #475 (isolation #76) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:49 am

well i'm on the same wagon and I'm still adding

Twistedspoon · Post Post #476 (isolation #77) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:49 am

opinion of the FD/zach thing?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #478 (isolation #78) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:54 am

okay

I'm cool with you again now

Twistedspoon · Post Post #491 (isolation #79) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:52 am

mikemike778 wrote:
If anyone sounds like they are bussing its FD and Zach.

not really

threatening to replace out is not a viable scum tactic; even with FD :/

Twistedspoon · Post Post #519 (isolation #80) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:36 pm

hiplop and empking are annoying me

none of what they say makes sense

I could unvote anytime from this wagon and vote Akira. But i'm not. So don't say this is forced

Twistedspoon · Post Post #521 (isolation #81) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:38 am

how exactly was I forced onto this wagon?

Twistedspoon wrote:
Hiplop has done this in the last 2 games I have played with him as scum

I see nothing wrong with anarchist.

I prefer a Hiplop, bgg or Akira lynch

Twistedspoon wrote:hiplop's obvscum

sadly he's obvscum when he plays as town too

that being said I have no objection whatsoever to his lynch

Twistedspoon wrote:
also your towntell on hiplop doesn't apply to him. srsly, he's been exactly the same in the past to games i've played with him as scum

Twistedspoon wrote:
Hiplop I can roll with. I'll trust you with earworm today even though I'm still uncomfortable with his wagoning

How was I forced onto this wagon? You're making no sense

Twistedspoon · Post Post #522 (isolation #82) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:39 am

oh, and you should probably claim now hiplop

Twistedspoon · Post Post #523 (isolation #83) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:40 am

hiplop wrote:Please, if you do lynch me, keep TS and Mikemike as suspects?

If hiplop's actually around I'd like him to justify his suspicion of me

Twistedspoon · Post Post #525 (isolation #84) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:51 am

I was always willing to vote one of my suspects

and Hiplop has always been a suspect although his place in my suspect list has varied at times

Twistedspoon · Post Post #534 (isolation #85) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:17 am

^ I asked you to explain your suspicions of myself

Twistedspoon · Post Post #535 (isolation #86) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:17 am

we're not ending the day until hiplop justifies his baseless conjecture on mike and myself

Twistedspoon · Post Post #541 (isolation #87) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:52 am

Zachrulez wrote:
Will note Spoon could have unvoted, but chose not to do so.

i didn't see the point

if anyone hammered when I had asked them not to they'd be obvscum

also, empking would be on my case like 'see I told you the wagoning was forced' had I unvoted hiplop

Twistedspoon · Post Post #544 (isolation #88) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:58 am

^I find hiplop scummy

that is why I'm on the wagon

Twistedspoon · Post Post #545 (isolation #89) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:59 am

having said that Archaist hasn't posted since his claim

I'm not wanting this day to end until he gives a fancy post since he's probably going to die tonight if not monk
UNVOTE:

Twistedspoon · Post Post #549 (isolation #90) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:10 am

hiplop wrote:what about me is scummy, TS?

how about joining the archaist wagon for absolutely no reason for starters?
Riding a myslynch it appeared to me

anyways, FD, what has caused this U-turn on hiplop?
I'll admit his claim and follow up seems unlike the hiplop scum I know and more like frustrated townie

Twistedspoon · Post Post #551 (isolation #91) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:12 am

archaebob wrote:If he's town, he's vanilla and he's useless. Win win.

..

we still don't want his lynch no matter how useless he is if he's town

expected Townflips can rarely be justified. This is not the case

Twistedspoon · Post Post #552 (isolation #92) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:14 am

archaebob wrote:
@ Final Destination -

Saving the day once again I see! Masterful build of suspense there, waiting for the last possible second to unvote. Now that we're saved, tell us: how long have you known hiplop was in fact town?

Final Destination wrote:
Ear is town.
Twisted is town.

Hiplop+Zach are scum.
Mike is the third.

Unvote:
Vote: Hiplop

hehheEHEHAEHHAHEHHA

clearly not very long
but the hiplop reaction is surprisingly unlike scumlop when he gets lynched

Twistedspoon · Post Post #554 (isolation #93) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:17 am

dude did you just hammer?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #555 (isolation #94) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:17 am

you didn't did you?

I just said hiplop's reactions were v.townie

Twistedspoon · Post Post #556 (isolation #95) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:18 am

I SAID TO WAIT FOR ANARCHIST!!!

Twistedspoon · Post Post #557 (isolation #96) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:18 am

no we can't hear from the confirmed townie who you wanted to follow so much

GAH

Twistedspoon · Post Post #560 (isolation #97) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:20 am

I was referiing to anarchist

Twistedspoon · Post Post #561 (isolation #98) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:20 am

we haven't heard of him since his claim

anyways, my mistake

Hiplop may be on L-1

no hammers

Twistedspoon · Post Post #563 (isolation #99) » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:21 am

I swear, the fate playstyle is starting to rub off on me

ugh

Twistedspoon · Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:22 am

Twistedspoon wrote:
anyways, my mistake

Twistedspoon · Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:22 am

but hiplop is still probtown now

Twistedspoon · Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:40 am

^can I point out that in the last 2 games i was with hiplop scum he did the Exact opposite to what he did now

he just flopped and gave up when he was scum. twice

Twistedspoon · Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:41 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

his last game as scum in ISO

just died without a fight as scum

Twistedspoon · Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:43 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

exactly the same in the hiplop ISO from this game too

Gentelmen this is town hiplop

scum hiplop does
1) gives up
2) gives no directions for after his lynch (in this game he is by saying suspect myself and mike which is daft but at least it shows he's town)

Twistedspoon · Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:47 am

yeah, because the post-claim reactions show he was town

before the claim his play was similar

Twistedspoon · Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:49 am

I see what zach says now about how FD finds changing reads scummy

so I'm scummy for changing my read on hiplop?

well you just backpeddaled your read on me compadré
what does that make you then?

Final Destination wrote:It is not part of his natural thought process.

Unvote, Vote: Twistedspoon.

so If i'm town (which I am) I'm a brain damaged player?
thanks

your case holds no water and changing reads is inherantly town if anything

Twistedspoon · Post Post #609 (isolation #107) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:00 am

I was waiting for that

classic empking

does that game that just finished show how my play has been similar to this game?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #613 (isolation #108) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:21 am

archaebob wrote:
If Empking was scum, I don't think we would have any way of knowing. Read his iso and note how little alignment revealing content he has posted. People need to pick targets and give reads on specific posts, I have a hunch at least one of the scum is lurking and getting a free pass. I won't be happy with any lynch until everyone has staked out a position.

this is why peaf was town

told you guys

Twistedspoon · Post Post #616 (isolation #109) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:22 am

yeah I'll do all this

give me a min, my other game finished night phase

Twistedspoon · Post Post #617 (isolation #110) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:35 am

archaebob wrote:@ Twistedspoon -

Could you do me a favor and give me a short paragraph of your reads on each of the players I mentioned? At least 2-3 sentences for each. It'll help me decide whether or not I buy the case on you. Don't try and give me what I want to hear, just be completely and utterly honest in your hunches, no varnish or filtering. If you are town, it is in your interest to do this.

archaebob wrote:I'm not thrilled with the activity of bgg, earworm, Greymarble, mikemike, or Empking.

these players?

bgg is my favourite lynch today (sorry empking)
His Iso was full of fencesitting and 'finding scumtells' but never voting with them. His play has been inconsistent

earworm is surprisingly null. Probably town if I had to classify him now though. not sure about the hiplop wagon but apart from that he makes sense most of the time

mikemike I'm leaning strongly town on. I'm not seeing the case on him and I remember him finding some good catches. Also, the fact that hiplop's saying I'm scum with him only farthers my town read since I hardly expect hiplop to be correct at this stage (and know he isn't on me).
I don't remember him being as opportunistic as say, Akira amongst others

which reminds me

VOTE: Akira

soooo opportunistic on my wagon. We'll see how he plays. If he does a post like this and t's consistent then I might unvote

Marble? He started off great. I'm leaning town on him but I've been real dissapointed by his activity recently. He said monk was town at the start which I see as a townie thing (where did monk go?)

Empking. ugh. He only ever turns up to vote me and doesn't seem to provide as much depth, content or reads on others as i'd like. If he was scum I'd have no clue who his buddy would be since he seems so distant from everone though. I'd like his reads on others and his summary on the case on me apart from how hiplop and I are a scum-match made in heaven

Twistedspoon · Post Post #619 (isolation #111) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:42 am

okay this is AGM

we might be able to talk sense now

my hiplop rethink was fast and looked odd. sure

but I know scumlop having played with him twice

that claim and hiplop rage. That was not scumlop.
If you don't believe me iso him in the games I provided

Twistedspoon · Post Post #624 (isolation #112) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:44 am

archaebob wrote:
If bgg is your favorite lynch, then vote him and quote him. Analyze passages for author's intent. You know, like English class. Can you demonstrate to me the inconsistency in his play?

I might do when he turns up. I see no point in doing it now because he isn't here to respond to any pressure

archaebob wrote:
He's
surprisingly
null? What does that mean? Did you have an expectation at some previous time that he
wouldn't
be null?

And if he's null, why would you classify him as probably town? That means he isn't null at all.

Also, what is your criticism exactly of Earworm's role on the hiplop wagon?

And finally, do you consider "making sense" to be a town tell? What does that mean to you?

1) surprisingly null because I'd expect my read on him to be more developed 25 pages in
2) because i think it's more likely he's not scum than scum
3) his entrance on the hiplop wagon was bad in that a) he didn't give a reason b) he tried to justify his vote before even casting it
4) making sense because townies (usually) think naturally unlike scum who have to force themselves to think town

archaebob wrote:
Could you help me remember what some of these good catches are?

Here's one i liked a lot. seems very town

mikemike778 wrote:
earworm wrote:
The point of RVs is to apply pressure and see how people react to it. Your first two votes (the Greymarble one especially) were wastes. They applied zero pressure on the person that you voted because of the extreme haste in which you changed your vote.

Agreed 100% which make me wonder why your first post was ...

earworm wrote:VOTE: hiplop

rv

Why feel the need to point out this was a random vote ? Hardly going to help your vote apply pressure is it ?

there was also one about bgg saying he found a scumslip and but not voting for it but I can't remember if it was myself or mike who found that slip. I could take a look later i guess

archaebob wrote:

twistedspoon wrote:VOTE: Akira

soooo opportunistic on my wagon. We'll see how he plays.
If he does a post like this and t's consistent then I might unvote

What do you mean by that last sentence? And why are you feeding him what he has to do in order to earn an unvote from you?

to give him pointers if he's confused town. If he's scum I can't see him doing what I expect of him (I haven't told him exactly what he needs to do to get my unvote) but if he's town then he should be able to

I've played with akirascum before. we lynched him D1. I'm having trouble remembering it though and drawing comparisons

archaebob wrote:
Please respond to all my questions
in depth
, you're really helping me understand your play this game.

happy camper now?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #627 (isolation #113) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:54 am

I found it amusing how AGM said 'we' when he wasn't in hydra. made me chuckle at a schizo joke

AlmasterGM wrote:If you wanted to read hiplop's meta, you could have and would have done it after he claimed. You thought up the meta reason after the fact in order to justify getting off the wagon.

?

I got off of the wagon because of the meta reason. why is that less likely that this scum theory

Hiplop claimed. Hiplop became inconsistent with scumlop. I unvoted

what's the problem

Mr. Occam's shaving implement comes to mind

Twistedspoon · Post Post #630 (isolation #114) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:42 am

archaebob wrote:
How do you feel about Twistedspoon? Provide a quote to support your position.

what do you think of this Twistedspoon fellow?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #636 (isolation #115) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:52 am

archaebob wrote:
So, at the moment, I still prefer an akira lynch, but I will hammer you at deadline.

you sound like my parents

"good night son. We'll lynch you in the morning"

Twistedspoon · Post Post #638 (isolation #116) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:39 am

class bbcode only comes up when a mafioso logs in

were you not aware?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #642 (isolation #117) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:52 am

talk about your mikemike vote

I've given my opinion on why I like his play

Twistedspoon · Post Post #644 (isolation #118) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:19 am

archaebob wrote:
Here's my question to you Twisted. If he was scum, how would you know? I understand that you like some of the things he's noticed, but none of those are things that would be any harder for him to notice as scum.

He simply needs to post and make himself useful, and I don't intend to let him get away with not doing that.

scum until proven town or town until proven scum?

I operate on town until proven scum

people have been scummier than him ergo. I do not classify him as scum

although some of his actions could have been done by scum there is nothing inherently scummy i see and see no reason to have him any lower than null at worst

Twistedspoon · Post Post #646 (isolation #119) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:52 am

I never said my town read on marble weakened, I'm just dissapointed by his lack of activity

Twistedspoon · Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:03 am

hmm

I shall say that when I hydra'd I really couldn't be bothered logging in and out for each post

marbe and mike are both probtown in my book

Twistedspoon · Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:24 am

Zachrulez wrote:I'm not sure why you would be reading him strongly town or objecting to the idea of pressuring him to be more active.

make no mistake, I like activity

Twistedspoon · Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:32 am

Akira wrote:I love how Twisted calls me the opportunistic on his wagon, when there's Empking who didn't even give a god damn reason.
I'll keep it in mind the next time I vote.

Some reads coming tomorrow.

I got tired of saying it to empking

i say it to him in almost every reference to him in my iso

and It's not just me who thinks the wagon entrance was odd anyways

Twistedspoon · Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:32 am

I have no intention of joining a wagon bgg is on

Twistedspoon · Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:33 am

hiplop, if you are town it's thanks to your interactions with me that I'm getting lynched

and you won't be a happy camper when that happens

Twistedspoon · Post Post #682 (isolation #125) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:36 am

Akira wrote:
I'm unsure about bob. His vote on mikemike for lurking can easily be bussing, and some of his "Let's catch scum!" posts sound a bit cheesy to be naturally town. Peaf's town play though balances the read.

this is an awful reason

you say peaf balances the chessyness but it was peaf who went

Peaf wrote:
Peaf's the name, finding scum's the game. Let's kick some ass, fellow townmembers!

and you say peaf balanced out the chessyness?

also, I like how you try to make your town list look big by slapping in the 2 confirmed townies and Obvious McTown Hiplop

Twistedspoon · Post Post #686 (isolation #126) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:22 am

archaebob wrote:
He has done very little to help town besides his Twisted case, so why are you enabling this behavior from him?

and I can tell you now that all he did was point out that my read on hiplop changed

I've already explained why it did so

the case i would no call 'helping town' either knowing what I know

Twistedspoon · Post Post #689 (isolation #127) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:38 am

fine

VOTE: FD

this vote is interchangeable with akira and earworm

my gut tells me earworm is the most likely scum, but like I say that's gut and I can't be bothered Iso'ing him at this hour

Twistedspoon · Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:59 am

bob is not pretending to be useful. He is useful

Twistedspoon · Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:28 am

Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:bob is not pretending to be useful. He is useful

Give me two examples.

my point is that you can't distinguish between pretending to be useful and being useful

examples are that he's proven the weakness of the council and tried outlined all major wagons

@hiplop: so you know the difference between that and defending a townread? Didn't think so

Twistedspoon · Post Post #724 (isolation #130) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:38 am

Final Destination wrote:
The scumteam: Twistedspoon, mike, and bob. Book it.

what my 3 highest townreads (one of which Is confirmed to myself)

I'm not buying it

FD is going to be soooo wrong in the endgame if not already by today's lynch

Twistedspoon · Post Post #730 (isolation #131) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:00 am

do you 2 not hydra anymore?

anyways, the only scummy thing I've done is point out how townie hiplop was after his claim

if I was scum I'd probably have ridden the anarchist wagon since it was going so well.

sigh

I'm reserving rights to say 'I told you so' in the endgame

Twistedspoon · Post Post #733 (isolation #132) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:05 am

Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:
Final Destination wrote:
The scumteam: Twistedspoon, mike, and bob. Book it.

what my 3 highest townreads (one of which Is confirmed to myself)

Hypothetical: If there were three scummy players. These players are linked to one another. Would you agree that one of them should be today's lynch?

yes

but I find none of myself, bob or mike scummy

Twistedspoon · Post Post #734 (isolation #133) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:06 am

now akira

there's someone scummy

VOTE: Akira

you guys like info?
Akira flip is bursting with info

Twistedspoon · Post Post #747 (isolation #134) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:00 am

Akira's scum

just look at how he got onto my wagon

I'd be raging right now but I think even if I were lynched we still have a good chance of success since we have 2 confirmed masons and obvtown hiplop

so yeah, go after Akira when i'm dead

Twistedspoon · Post Post #752 (isolation #135) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:33 am

an akira scumflip confirms me as town

both of those eventualities are achievable today

Twistedspoon · Post Post #758 (isolation #136) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:57 am

yeah I said mike was a top town read

bold aren't I?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #760 (isolation #137) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:03 am

Final Destination wrote:no, you're stupid scum defending his buddy ITT.

because as scum it would be soooo hard to bus mike for credit and I wouldn't be obv scum if I said mike was a top town read of mine unless I was sure he was

Twistedspoon · Post Post #762 (isolation #138) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:07 am

exactly

if I were scum I would be bussing mike for credit instead of sticking out like a sore thumb by saying I have a town read on him

Twistedspoon · Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:25 pm

claim

Twistedspoon · Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:39 pm

Twistedspoon · Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:40 pm

Empking wrote:Firstly, I agree with Akira.

Secondly, I think Akira should only claim if somebody is willing to hammer.

Thirdly, Grey & Monk. One of you should vote TS.

yeah, directing the masons isn't the most pro-town thing I've seen all game

I haven't seen much pro-town from empking at all. Mainly vote parking

Twistedspoon · Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:41 pm

it means I'm not a happy camper

but srsly, the conclusion should be obvious after my flip

Twistedspoon · Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:56 am

what are you talking about?

my point was that empking has voteparked

voteparked =/= good

Twistedspoon · Post Post #789 (isolation #144) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:42 am

^why not?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #790 (isolation #145) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:46 am

eh might as well put some reads up

you can lynch me twice If i'm wrong wrote:

town

hiplop, masons = town
zach = town. Threatening to replace out makes me lose near-all respect for him as a player but it's a frustrated town tell
Bob, Mike = town. VCA after my flip. I'm sure of this
Earworm = scum. Just look at him on the hiplop wagon. That and he makes a perfect scum candidate

I'm 99.95% sure of those reads and would like you to consider them after my flip

Twistedspoon · Post Post #793 (isolation #146) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:15 am

Zachrulez wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:eh might as well put some reads up

you can lynch me twice If i'm wrong wrote:

town

hiplop, masons = town
zach = town. Threatening to replace out makes me lose near-all respect for him as a player but it's a frustrated town tell
Bob, Mike = town. VCA after my flip. I'm sure of this
Earworm = scum. Just look at him on the hiplop wagon. That and he makes a perfect scum candidate

I'm 99.95% sure of those reads and would like you to consider them after my flip

Acting as if you are lynched already?

well why not give reads as though i was?

I'm I do get lynched by earwormscum then at least I've got out my most confident reads

Zachrulez wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:^why not?

Much stronger preference for the bandwagon I'm on.

why

I didn't do anything :p

Twistedspoon · Post Post #796 (isolation #147) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:29 am

@mod: monk prod?

He posted less than two days ago. -bvoigt

Twistedspoon · Post Post #802 (isolation #148) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:41 am

Empking wrote:Surely, Archaist should be prodded first.

Ts: Since you're going to be today's lynch I think a claim is in order.

I'm not going to be today's lynch

and no-one's even going to hammer

Twistedspoon · Post Post #803 (isolation #149) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:42 am

rolefishing noted though

Twistedspoon · Post Post #806 (isolation #150) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:05 am

Zachrulez wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:rolefishing noted though

Really?

Says the guy who asked Akira to claim a page ago.

he was on L-1

it was different

Twistedspoon · Post Post #807 (isolation #151) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:05 am

i still don't accept the(?) case on me

Twistedspoon · Post Post #809 (isolation #152) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:08 am

I don't want to, but if someone's going to hammer I'll claim

I want to hear from monk too tho'

Twistedspoon · Post Post #810 (isolation #153) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:09 am

anyways, you were still very eager for my claim empking and I don't want that to be forgotten

Twistedspoon · Post Post #811 (isolation #154) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:12 am

if i get lynched today I shall lie awake at night and wonder how I got lynched over the likes of Akira and co.

nobody seems to want to answer that question

Twistedspoon · Post Post #820 (isolation #155) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:42 am

Akira should claim

he's a feasible lynch and my 2nd preffered after earworm

Twistedspoon · Post Post #824 (isolation #156) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:49 am

Empking wrote:
Unvote

Vote: mike

Empking

why are you so fast to change votes?

if you were really serious about me being scum you'd have pushed my lynch and not just ran to Mike when Grey said I was town

VOTE: Empking

I honestly do not understand your play sir

Twistedspoon · Post Post #828 (isolation #157) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:53 am

Zachrulez wrote:If you want to save yourself, it's going to be at Mike's expense.

What say you to that Spoon?

I say that nothnakyou sir, I'd rather have a scumlynch that a player who I do not find particularly scummy

seriously, empking's play makes no sense

he never gives reasons and just unvoted on a whim when he realised my wagon wasn't going anywhere. If he honestly thought I was scum he'd be fighting for that like I am now for him

Twistedspoon · Post Post #836 (isolation #158) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:07 am

Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:
Zachrulez wrote:If you want to save yourself, it's going to be at Mike's expense.

What say you to that Spoon?

I say that nothnakyou sir, I'd rather have a scumlynch that a player who I do not find particularly scummy

seriously, empking's play makes no sense

he never gives reasons and just unvoted on a whim when he realised my wagon wasn't going anywhere. If he honestly thought I was scum he'd be fighting for that like I am now for him

But the sheeping Zach and Hip are a-okay in your book? Why is that?

no, that's why I said your play makes no sense

Twistedspoon · Post Post #837 (isolation #159) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:08 am

Final Destination wrote:Good lord we could AT LEAST have forced him to fakeclaim

FFS

Unvote:
Vote: Mike

well If I'm town (which you must think since you unvoted) why would I fakeclaim?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #838 (isolation #160) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:10 am

Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:
Zachrulez wrote:If you want to save yourself, it's going to be at Mike's expense.

What say you to that Spoon?

I say that nothnakyou sir, I'd rather have a scumlynch that a player who I do not find particularly scummy

seriously, empking's play makes no sense

he never gives reasons and just unvoted on a whim when he realised my wagon wasn't going anywhere. If he honestly thought I was scum he'd be fighting for that like I am now for him

But the sheeping Zach and Hip are a-okay in your book? Why is that?

and dn't try and justify one action by other scummy actions

way to deflect

Twistedspoon · Post Post #840 (isolation #161) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:14 am

hey hiplop, why do you find mikemike scummy?

this question is to hiplop

Twistedspoon · Post Post #842 (isolation #162) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:15 am

Twistedspoon wrote:
Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:
Zachrulez wrote:If you want to save yourself, it's going to be at Mike's expense.

What say you to that Spoon?

I say that nothnakyou sir, I'd rather have a scumlynch that a player who I do not find particularly scummy

seriously, empking's play makes no sense

he never gives reasons and just unvoted on a whim when he realised my wagon wasn't going anywhere. If he honestly thought I was scum he'd be fighting for that like I am now for him

But the sheeping Zach and Hip are a-okay in your book? Why is that?

no, that's why I said your play makes no sense

I did answer your question

Twistedspoon · Post Post #843 (isolation #163) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:15 am

ITT Empking ignores most of my posts

Twistedspoon · Post Post #845 (isolation #164) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:16 am

anyaways, this is hiplop's chance to persuade me

Twistedspoon · Post Post #847 (isolation #165) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:20 am

you did it first by unvoting as soon as grey declared me town.

and zach I have a strong town read on due to his replace out shenanigans

Zach and hiplop find me less scummy that you do I assume anyways (not that you care to say why but w/e)

Twistedspoon · Post Post #852 (isolation #166) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:35 am

Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:you did it first by unvoting as soon as grey declared me town.

Why is doing it first scummier?

because it shows that you only cared for the best wagon, not the scummiest

after you unvoted my wagon became less feasible so people had no choice but to jump off too

Twistedspoon · Post Post #853 (isolation #167) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:37 am

as for hiplop's reasoning, it's weird since i don't remember those things. His reasoning does have some originality and it shows that he has been thinking for himself though. The two conclusions are that I still find Mike town but find hiplop more town from his response

Twistedspoon · Post Post #856 (isolation #168) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:43 am

yeah, I find him more town

he wasn't confirmed so it's always possible to be more town

another example is I find empking more scummy. He isn't confirmed scum but he's more scummy for ignoring my response

Twistedspoon · Post Post #857 (isolation #169) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:44 am

bgg1996 wrote:O.o

opinion on empking

gogogo

Twistedspoon · Post Post #859 (isolation #170) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:45 am

then why unvote so fast compadré?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #861 (isolation #171) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:58 am

you want to know why I think mikemike is town?

the simplest answer I can give is because there are probably 3 scum and he is highly unlikely to be one. His play seems logical and I've shown why I've thought some of his thought processes to be townie. We agree on most reads and some of the players on his wagon really put me off of joining his wagon myself

and that is the abridged version of why I'm not voting mike.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #862 (isolation #172) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:59 am

also, stop swearing and play with more respect, FD

it's getting on my nerves and It makes me finally understand why Zach wanted to replace out and how you scared anarchist away

Twistedspoon · Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:11 am

bgg1996 wrote:1. Greymarble says he will not lynch Twistedspoon, but will lynch Mikemike.
2. In their next post after that, 3 people, Empking, Zachrulez, and Hiplop, in that order, one after another, who were voting Twistedspoon switch to Mikemike, with no explanation.
3. Greymarble switches to Mikemike in his next post.
4. FD, in his next post after 1, switches from TS to Mike.

Did I read that right?

yeah
your verdict?

Twistedspoon · Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:12 am

Empking wrote:
Why? The TS, mike, bob scum team has been thrown around for ages.

which means we'd probably have cracked and been lynched if we/I were scum

eh, I still don't like how you refuse to respond to my suspicions of you empking

Twistedspoon · Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:24 am

if you answered my reasoning I wouldn't have to be forced to start again from square 1

you changed your vote from me very fast and unprovoked, why?

also, If my reasoning is so shoddy then why not point it out?

Twistedspoon · Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:27 am

why didn't you make sure I got lynched

someone has to decide who gets lynched?

why be a sheepy sheep?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #895 (isolation #177) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:57 pm

Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:why didn't you make sure I got lynched

someone has to decide who gets lynched?

why be a sheepy sheep?

Seriously? I'm a sheep? I'm solely responsible for the wagon on mike, actually. (Search your hearts you know it to be true.)

well why give up on me?

why not be starting my wagon too?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #896 (isolation #178) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:59 pm

archaebob wrote:FUCK.

Final Destination, you aren't fucking town at all, are you?

I have no clue anymore

if there's a vig they can have the MVP just by shooting him.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #907 (isolation #179) » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:19 am

Twistedspoon wrote:
Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:why didn't you make sure I got lynched

someone has to decide who gets lynched?

why be a sheepy sheep?

Seriously? I'm a sheep? I'm solely responsible for the wagon on mike, actually. (Search your hearts you know it to be true.)

well why give up on me?

why not be starting my wagon too?

as usual empking doesn't answer my questions

Twistedspoon · Post Post #909 (isolation #180) » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:29 am

1) who's llama? Greymarble? If so, why is his vote so important? Why does the wagon become unfeasible due to one player? Methinks you should have thought harder for my wagon if you really thought I was scum. The way you unvoted looks like you just wanted the easiest wagon
2) so why not take control of it when marble jumped off?

Twistedspoon · Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:43 am

if deadline means I can't lynch empking then I'll be content with earworm or Akira

Twistedspoon · Post Post #951 (isolation #182) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:34 pm

I'm in the same wagon as archaebob here

I must admit I was wrong about 2 things at least
1) mikemike
2) earworm

yeah, I'm pretty confident both scum were off of the mikemike wagon

bvoigt wrote:
Vote Count 1.18

mikemike778 (7)- monk, Empking, Zachrulez, hiplop, Greymarble, Final Destination, earworm
Akira (4)- Archaist, mikemike778, bgg1996, archaebob
Twistedspoon (1)- Akira

Yeah, the scum are akira and bgg

I thought they were town because I thought mike was town, But now it's obvious that they're scum

archaebob is in the same boat as me and I know I'm town. Heck, even marble knew I was town and He's confirmed

VOTE: Akira

Twistedspoon · Post Post #952 (isolation #183) » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:50 pm

bgg1996 wrote:
Among these, Akira threatened to hammer, Archaist is a
CLAIMED
mason, and I know that I'm not scum.
The most suspicious are:
archaebob Peaf
Twistedspoon.

that's a poor reason to excuse Akira

the wagon was going down so any scumbuddy would hammer

I find it odd that you remember this though. Partners?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #954 (isolation #184) » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:28 am

why the change empking?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #956 (isolation #185) » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:30 am

was greymarble townie wrong about me?

anyawys, I was expecting my lynch ever since the flip and at least today there's actually a case for me (the mikemike flip)

I'm fine with my lynch since I see there is actually evidence today, but hear me out tommorow that bgg and akira are the mafioso

but yeah, I believe the claim.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #961 (isolation #186) » Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:19 am

Empking wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:was greymarble townie wrong about me?

Yes.

Also, TS, if you want to save yourself I'd reccomend voting bgg.

yeah

I think he might be slightly more likely than akira. I think both are scum though. 'course, you're still my 3rd most likely

VOTE: bgg

Twistedspoon · Post Post #965 (isolation #187) » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:24 am

hiplop wrote:its TS or Bob. TS is night action speculating to try and clear himself - major scum-tell. While bob, its fairly obvious why...

i missed this

when was I night-action speculating?

hiplop wrote:Also TS was trying hard to protect mikemike

I'll concede this point. I was surprised at his flip. But if I go, don't forget the likes of Akira and bgg were off his wagon too.

Archaist wrote:So you think 2 scum were bussing their partner at the same time?

good point

maybe it's bgg and bob

i don't know, but I'm mighty confident in BGG being scum. Don't forget this

Twistedspoon · Post Post #966 (isolation #188) » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:25 am

Archaist wrote:I'm actually not entirely surprised that masons survived. With doc protecting the scum only have a 50/50 chance of a night kill, making going after someone else more attractive at this early stage.

ah, but the scum did not know there was a doc

Twistedspoon · Post Post #968 (isolation #189) » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:42 am

in none of my past normal games (i've played around 8+) has there been a doc

Twistedspoon · Post Post #982 (isolation #190) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:33 am

bgg1996 wrote:
Twistedspoon wrote:i don't know, but I'm mighty confident in BGG being scum. Don't forget this

May I ask why?

uh for being off of the mike wagon (which you also accuse me of)

also, I've expressed why I found you suspicious yesterday. I don't like repating myself

Twistedspoon · Post Post #983 (isolation #191) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:37 am

bgg1996 wrote:If I assume that at least 1 scum wasn't on the Mikemike wagon, or willing to hammer, then between:

archaebob
Peaf

Twistedspoon

is at least one scum. If archaebob is town, then Twistedspoon must be scum those assumptions.

you shouldn't rule akira out. He said he would hammer. so? I could have said that and never did it. anyways, hammering would hardly be a towntell at that point anyways since the mike lynch was inevitable

Twistedspoon · Post Post #984 (isolation #192) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:37 am

-1 bgg

Twistedspoon · Post Post #989 (isolation #193) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:42 am

tell me when you want me to claim

until then I've got nothing to say except advocate a bgg lynch after my flip

I accepted my lynch after the mike flip.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #991 (isolation #194) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:09 am

Akira wrote:Okay cool. This is going to be a perfect town victory.

the perfect town victory would involve bob having protected correctly.

i'm going to check if I'm truly on L-1 first since i don't trust you at all

Twistedspoon · Post Post #992 (isolation #195) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:12 am

okays

I'm an odd night commuter

that's all there is to it. I can commute but only on odd nights and by commute I mean night actions won't affect me.

that's my role. I have nothing else to say except advotcate the lynches of bgg and akira after my death. Remember that they're the scum after I flip.
I don't see why I'm more scummy for staying off of the mike wagon when they did too. Earworm might be scum too. I'm confident it lies in {Akira, earworm, bgg}

you can lynch me twice if i'm wrong

Twistedspoon · Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:17 pm

doc and commuters don't do the same

for example docs don't protect from investigations

anyways, I'm an odd night commuter. Is there an even-night one to back me up?

whatever. You know what I want after i flip town

Twistedspoon · Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:24 pm

*rage*

bgg and akira were off the mike wagon too.

why am i the one you're lynching?

Twistedspoon · Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:26 pm

?

If i flip town you can lynch bgg, earworm or akira

that's where the scum lie

I thought you believed bob's claim?

Twistedspoon · Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:39 pm

whatever

bgg and akira were off of the wagon too. I suspect them and you should too