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charter wrote:Thoughts from reading the game.
The Kool is scum. Every post he makes strengthens my scumread on him. I can take any of his posts, point at how he is just posting for the sake of it, and not to hunt scum. Many of his posts are scummy as well.
LordChronos is so town my head hurts.
Elfin does not impress, and while he seems to be very new, I'm not reading him as scum.
SleepyKrew is probably Kool's scumbuddy. cloudocean is likely the third scum.
Everyone else is floating around in the middle somewhere.
Espeonage, in 103 you list three people as scum, why did you vote Elfin over the other two?
Unvote, vote The Kool
There is no way anyone can still be clinging to an Elfin vote and think it's a good idea. Those voting him need to post a very compelling case, or move on. I'll be posting a case on The Kool shortly (though Espeonage highlighted the main point, how The Kool has no interest in posting anything relevant).
I agree with this, but I'm thinking thatVote:SleepyKrewis the better play. Overaggressive and pounding on Elfen, who is obviously town and confused, just makes him seem like he is trying to grab an easy lynch here.
I also like LordChronos as scum over cloudocean, but I wouldn't be opposed to either.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Elfen wrote:P.S. What should i do?
1. Should I stay on here and ignore the test tomorrow??
2.Study for biology(test Friday) study for Spanish(tomorrow) oor study all the countries for tomorrow
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Elfen wrote: also why where you late to the game?? O.o
Panzerjager wrote:10 pages already?Wasn't aware the game had started.
Elfen wrote:
@ Pan, why do you think SK is scum?? Could you put your reasoning to why he may or may not be?? just curious
I feel he blew little things out of proportion, as well as deliberately going after you because he thought you would be an easy lynch. He got about as far as he could before people started to resist you wagon and then direnctly attacked one of your main defenders. If he truly believed you were scum, he should have kept at stringing you up, and once you flipped scum, then go after Kalofer on the premise he is your scum buddy.. SK is trying to attack him for defended you on that premise without you being scum.
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LordChronos wrote:
Why do you think I'm scum exactly? Also, what do you think of Kalofer?
I personally feel you have been sheeping on Sleepy, and I don't think you're vote on Kalofer is very geniune at all, seems manufactured.
I think Kalofer has a poor way of articulating is opinions but his opinions seems sound and town.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I don't agree with that assessment, you more called him out for using Random.org. Skinny was the first to call him out on a "contradiction"
I think Kalofer was kinda joking with post 220, you challenged him to change his vote, he did so fully intending to ruffle your feathers and see what you'd do. Instead of realizing this as intentional, you're using this as an artificial way to jump on the bandwagon, one that (possibly coincidentally) Skinny Krew started.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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On Kalofer and Kool: Their arguement feels like distancing to me. I would also like to admit to Chronos I read the situation wrong, and that improves my read of Chronos and definently makes me think a lot less highly of Kalofer.
Vote:Kool
P.S For some reason I prefer calling SleepyKrew, SkinnyKrew.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I think they two scummiest people here are Kal and Sleepy to be honest with you. Elfen is confirmed town. I think Kool is confirmed scum but at this point I think we can save him for the second lynch if we catch his buddy.
Sleepy seems to be defending Kool(could be his buddy), while Kal is obviously distancing. Not sure which side i want to pick in the end, but I do want a claimVote:KaloferSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Vote:QuinnsterThat's a cardinal sin in my book. Between blatant rolefishing and being over defensive of another player(buddying), I really think you're today's lynch and if you flip scum, we'd be certain kool is town(because why would scum rolefish a scum buddy).
I highly recommend this because it gives us a ton more information then a Kool or Kalofer does at this point.
@Supreme, I've been playing this game for a long time and I feel fairly confident in my ability to accurately read players as new as Elfen and Kool, mostly because they are being rather obvious. If Quinnster pops scum, I would have to eat my words on Kool, but I'm absolutely positive Elfen is town and I'm not sure there's much that could change my opinion(to the point if Quinn rolefished Elfen I would be calling for his lynch even more fervantly). I do agree with you that I shouldn't speak in absolutes during a game of mafia.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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SleepyKrew wrote:@Kalofer
Accepting and admitting is defensive, you say? Defensiveness is scummy, you say? Well, I'm not out to change your opinions, just to get scum (like you) killed! If we don't do it today, then I'll do it tonight!
Whoa, This is either a vig breadcrumb or a mafia slip up. Maybe an SK?
@Kal, what deal?
dude, my brain is on scum overload?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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My games are over a year old at least and would require reading that I'm not willing to do, especially at 3 in morning, so I'll kindly ask that you take my word for it, or go through my games yourself.Supreme Overlord wrote:
Panzer, could you give me some links to games where you have correctly identified the alignment of newb players?
Supreme Overlord wrote:
Panzer, why did you go from 'if Quinnster is scum, Kool is town' in #326 to 'the scum team is Quinnster, Kalofer and Kool' in #341?
Also, I'm willing to cut you some slack over letting newbscum linger; it somewhat mirrors my own opinions, I think.
My initial read was Quinn was scum rolefishing a townie. I thought about it more and I believe they either have fake claims or could of established them Night 0, and Quinn was trying to save his buddy by having him claim. Kinda like throwing a fat pitch, trying to get him to hit it out of the park to get us to stop suspecting him, but it was a poor gambit.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I think Charter is the townest person here, so you're not gonna have my support on a charter wagon. At this point, a charter wagon would be anti town, we have three main suspects that stand above and beyond anyone else, and it's not even that close. They all will give substantial info about each other(and others) when they die. Trying to lynch anyone else right now is just flat non-productive. That's why I've entirely laid off you because I feel getting someone that isn't Kal, Kool, or Quinn is just plain wrong.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I'd be willing to bet that Quinnster replaced out because he was caught scum, this happens quite often. Sorry earworm, but your predecessor has screwed you. Earworm can't answer for things that quinnster's done and the replacement has effectively left us in a situation where the correct play is to lynch earworm.
@Elfen, also curious why you copied all of kalofer's reads, and why am I neutral "plain and simple"Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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SleepyKrew wrote:Would you still please read my exchange with him before he went V/LA? Also, what makes him the towniest? It's say hydraguy is the town leader and will be VERY sad/angry if he/they turn(s) out scum. Grammar with a hydra is so difficult
I have read the exchange, and I have played 4-5 games with charter, I can get a feel for him and his read's happen to be very similar to mine and we are on similar lines of thought.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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But it DOES cut off conversation, intentional or not. Earworm already played the "I can't talk about it so lets just not card" and to be honest it's unfair to really ask him to, but that slot doesn't change because we can't ask new questions. Look, we got some answers, the answers were unacceptable and along with his general scummy behavior before that, it's unexcuseable not to lynch earworm.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Panzerjager wrote:I'd be willing to bet that Quinnster replaced out because he was caught scum, this happens quite often.Sorry earworm, but your predecessor has screwed you.Earworm can't answer for things that quinnster's done and the replacement has effectively left us in a situation where the correct play is to lynch earworm.
The italics doesn't make the bold untrue. Earworm is still the play.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I don't see what was so out of line. If he were a PR, he'd have claimed when Kal put him at L-1 instead of pandering to us by talking about Quinn's actions that he said he wouldn't talk about. Also any analysis of his on Quinn's play would assuredly be seen through rose-colored glasses. In my humble opinion a self hammer is a sign of good will. I understand that is controversial but it hardly is something to call for my lynch on. At that cases' best, I'm eccentric, not scum.
Also how does him being town make me scum? The correct play is to lynch him today. Does being wrong mean everyone on the wagon is scum? No. I would look for people who jumped on the wagon in a scummy fashion, not the guy that built it.
As far as I can tell, all the rest of the day has to offer is talk about quinnster's play, which was scummy beyond defense. I'm ready for a lynch unless he has something to claim.
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Espeonage wrote:Unvote, vote: Panzer
Reread what you have read in the last page and make a nice little case on why you aren't scum and if I like I won't try and derail Ear's wagon.
Nobody Special wrote:Oh, Espe unvoted. Well then.
Vote: earworm
L-1. I won't hammer because I'm still reading, but I won't be sad if the hammer is dropped.
Clearly I was correct, and we were just wasting our time. The hammer could have been dropped and NS would have had no opinion on it. The correct play is earworm. It's been earworm. And he should have been hammered a while ago. Also, the burden of evidence is on the accuser espeonage.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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@Kalofer,because I'm looking at 4 days in a row at work and if it's night I won't fall behind. Also, if the lynch is there and we are just going around in circles(and one of the people we are waiting for told us to go ahead) I would rather just make the play. Saves me from falling behind and in my opinion the most meaningful conversation is behind us. In short, I'm just frustrated that we have the correct play and we are waiting for guys to catch up when Night is the best time to do that and have them post in the beginning of day 2 and I'd prefer to be in Night the next 3 days due to extenuating circumstances.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I work outside, I can't read at work. Everyone's situation is different, I'll respect yours if you respect mine.
And the reasoning was at Coolskins not Kalofer.
Anyway, I still feel earworm is the play and I still don't see the point in waiting. And I don't see how that makes me scum. Can anyone give any good reasons for any other lynch beside earworms?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Nobody Special wrote:Panzerjager wrote:Can anyone give any good reasons for any other lynch beside earworms?
Not yet, becauseI haven't finished reading the thread.
Why are you in such a hurry, aside from your own selfish wish to have night RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE so that it fits into your personal schedule? IMO, your schedule outside of mafia is less critical than doing what's best for town.
While I agree that it was Selfish and Tactless, I maintain that it wasn't scummy.
Also, your vote relinquishes your right to say that you haven't caught up
@Sleepy, You can't hammer this far before deadline and say it's againt your will and try to get townie points for him flipping town. You're most definently scum.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Espeonage wrote:Brilliant, we have tomorrow's lynch. Panzer, i don't care if you're town or not (If Earworm is you probably aren't) that was out of order. You ask for a claim instead. And you are only allowed to do that if they are at L-1 and you aren't on the wagon already.
Espeonage wrote:Unvote, vote: Panzer
Reread what you have read in the last page and make a nice little case on why you aren't scum and if I like I won't try and derail Ear's wagon.
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First, it gives scum more information to most effectively plan their night phase, second, it open to abuse. Scum could abuse it by misdirecting power roles.
Also, I don't buy Sleepy as Vig for a second(or his whole "I didn't kill charter post"). Yes, Charter's dead, but if it is even his kill, he could still be SK or Scum. Both instances he could fake claim vig and it would make sense cause he had a scum read on charter. Also, it would make sense for both SleepySK or SleepyScum to kill charter because Charter was the most vocal person against Sleepy.Vote:Sleepybased on the the kill benefitting him and general scumminess from yesterday.
Also, Espeon, are you gonna post a case?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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SleepyKrew wrote:You dropped your argument on me long before D1 ended. Sheeeeeep goes bah.
I dropped it to chase after Quinn, who was far more scummy then you, I didn't drop it cause you weren't scum
Also before day ended, I made it quite clear I would have rather have lynched you for directing powerroles.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Are we all posting reads right now?
Scum:
Kool
Scummy:
CloudOcean
Kalofer
Neutral:
Hiplop
Sleepy
Chronos
Townish:
Espeon
CoolSkins
Town: Elfen and Myself
Also, what ever happened to that Kool wagon, we can all claim D3 or 4 so I'm comfortable with trusting espeon's gut and going back to the Kool Wagon. Let's face it, the guy hasn't gotten any more town, I said D1 he was confirmed scum, and a lot of people(including Charter who is confirmed town) thought Kool was scum
Unvote Vote:Kool
Just looked at his vote history, all his votes have come after 3-4 people were already on the wagon and generally consist of OMGUS or "yeah what he said" Seems to just be trying to fit in with the town and going with whichever lynch will go his way.
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I do not at this moment support a Cloudocean lynch.
Kal, I can get behind.
I'm gonna IC for a minute, sorry if this offends anyone.
@Elfen:It's generally anti-town to hunt third party members, ewhile scum is still alive. SKs generally have to claim vig, then when we have almost rounded up all the scum we have the vig shoot themselves or be lynched. This way the Sk is in a position where they lose no matter what, and town still has a chance to win. By hunting the Sk, you're essentially missing the big picture.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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hiplop wrote:Panzers trying to seperate himself from the wagon. Could be scum? Maybe
Wrong, I'm attempting to derail it because it's probably wrong seeing how fast it picked up and with how little reasoning was behind it.
Sleepy has been acting scummy all game and I agree with Esp's assessment that Sleepy isn't cleared.
Hiplop is getting scummier by the minute. Also I feel he hopped on the wagon the scummiest by far, and once he thought it'd be safe and is now trying to say I'm scummy for realizing scum hopped on.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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4 votes over 25 post is pretty fast.
No, you're scum because you jumped on the wagon without a reason, you jumped on Sleepywagon without a reason, you then unvoted and said you got a result, then said you didn't get a result and you had to think about it(implying you vote without thinking), are trying to throw suspicion on me for derailing a wagon and pointing out that it grew in a really scummy way.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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