Mini #73: Prosaic Mafia (The End)

[Yoko Kurama]

Hey im in for Gashlycrumb, I'll post something of GREAT importance later on tonight.

[Yoko Kurama]

Well after reviewing the game so far it is hard for me to believe you killed two fellow townsfolk when Phoebus is obvious scum!!! Darkblade didn't follow up on his assumptions, if anyone in this game is scum it's Phoebus, here's what I got....

Phoebus

I'm a one shot vig. You want me to substantiate my claim? Decide upon a target and give me tonight. If I fail, lynch me.

Why would you be so willing to kill a townie at night? If you ARE a one shot Vigilante you would save your shot for someone you truly suspected. When asked to role claim you should have just said one-shot vigilante don't kill a powerful town role. You didn't do that. Why? Maybe because your lying!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh but then you said this...

Phoebus

I hadn't said anything cuz I thought we'd decided that I'm not to kill anyone tonight. I do agree ofcourse killing random people will harm us but using my kill is the only way I can prove my role.

You’re obviously afraid of being found out.

Phoebus

As far as voting to please people is concerned, well if one needs to stay alive, one needs to please atleast someone does one not?

A pro-town does not vote to please they vote to take out the mafia. No one should just vote to kill because they were told to. Making friends is one thing for a townie, but if mafia can make friends with townies they don't have to worry about dying.
I am pro-town, but if I were a one shot vig I would not let others (which some of them HAVE to be MAFIA) tell me whom to kill. Simple fact is you wouldn't either if you were a vig.
Hey I want you to kill someone to prove your role! Kill Phoebus!

VOTE PHOEBUS

[Yoko Kurama]

It is obvious Phoebus IS NOT VIG!!!!!!! If I'm wrong then go ahead and lynch me but after reading what I've read she's being a clever mafia (not voting for lynched) but was to gungho on her role claim.

Phoebus whats your input?????????????????????????????
You seemed to have posted alot until you made your role claim then you backed off the posts.

I don't want Phoebus to see the end of today

[Yoko Kurama]

Your absolutly right massive. But my vote still stays....

[Yoko Kurama]

I've thought it over and I'm hoping this is the right thing to do. I am the cop. Phoebus- Mafia That was my last night choice. Gashly chose big ben and massive the first two nights both showed up pro town. The only thing about that is massive could still have a godfather position. Doc I may need some help!!!

[Yoko Kurama]

Oh ya I had a question what was with Breakdown the outsider??????

[Yoko Kurama]

I made the choice thats why it was delayed by the mod. I had previously read the whole game up to that point and found that phoebus had to many holes in her story. Thats why I chose her and thats why she is now a confirmed mafia.

[Yoko Kurama]

bigben-pro town

massive-pro town

phoebus-mafia

[Yoko Kurama]

My bad forgot to mention this it said I am pro-town and but most importantly completly Sane.
Oh as to the REAL cop finding me out hmm... I don't really feal like investigating myself sorry, request denied.
I know this is an important desicion for all of you to make but I want to try and stress the fact to everyone that I am a sane cop if I were insane I think I would tell you all that.
Simple fact is Phoebus is Mafia!!!! Either vote a confirmed mafia Phoebus or go for you suspision primoris. I can always check someone tomorrow night and the fact that I already caught one and they aren't dead is starting to tick me off.

[Yoko Kurama]

You are not the only one upset about gashly's strategy (If you can even call it one). Though he said he believed bens claim he still watched him die. The fact is though gashly posted 3 or 4 times and then left the game, why because I doubt he really cared.
Phoebus said I wasn't sane so I backed myself up because I had not previously stated about my sanity and I figured I should.

[Yoko Kurama]

Well one more and Phoebus is gone. Haven't figured out whom to investigate tonight, being that I actually live to see daylight, so you guys got any ideas or suspicions, I've narrowed mine down to about 3 people. Then again narrowed is probably not the right word to use when its 3 out of 5.

[Yoko Kurama]

Yoko, if you've found an innocent you should probably keep the name to yourself, unless that person is in danger of being lynched. Confirmed innocents are favourite targets for the mafia.

I shall keep quiet but for my own reasons.

FsOS-ALL OF YOU

[Yoko Kurama]

Darkblade I got you at 6 posts for a full 8 pages

Mu that is one loooooooooong flu

[Yoko Kurama]

Darkblade I got you at 6 posts for a full 8 pages

Man that is one loooooooooong flu

[Yoko Kurama]

My bad

[Yoko Kurama]

I got nothing good I am left to find the mafia in the day. Chances are the COP will die tonight unless theres some other wierd plans for the mafia.

[Yoko Kurama]

Here’s where I give it everything I’ve got after reading through the whole game numerous times!!! Dates are of why I would be for or against them check it out. Being I’m the only one that fellow townies can really rely upon hopefully this is good enough to be worth something (even if it’s just a little something).

They are in the same order that Norinel has them posted at the beginning.

Darkblade-

Always

wanted Phoebus dead. On the other hand he's way too queit. Could go either way guessing townie.

Talitha- First of all she has lots of experience. She is a worthy adversary especially as mafia. Tehgood seemed completely innocent to me and being that she has all of that experience I would have assumed she would have thought the same thing. But no she was always against him and was the main factor in getting him killed. My guess is she's the mafia.

Flying Dutchman- Not much good on him. Stayed on bigben and did not claim that his role was a little iffy until l8ter called upon. Date of suspision Wed Dec 03 2003 7:02pm. Date he saved himself Dec 4 2003 7:00am. Could be mafia.

Yoko Kurama-Well I think this is Me!!!

Primoris-Stated both mafia voted for Phoebus though we are not sure that there are 2 mafia he could have just done this to get people off his back. But since he is new I figure he is not clever enough for that strategy and doubt his mafianess. Also Investigated- Pro town

Stewie-Tue Dec 02 2003 3:57pm was the 1st to take his vote off Bigben and claim that he had a similar role and that he understood a newbies confusion. Look like a townie to me.

My guesses and purely guesses I would like to hear from the rest of you. Tear this thread apart I would like for you to do it because I don't want to vote for a townie. Talitha and Flying Dutchman are my two suspects.

I figure this Talitha unless the mafia are idiots they will kill the cop tonight. I cannot be protected so divulging this information is only to the good of the town, which from my suspicions I doubt you are.

FOS-Talitha

I would like you to role-claim

[Yoko Kurama]

Ok this is one of two posts but the more important one I assume. Talitha you said tehgood seemed really scummy to you. Well heres how I see it.

Vote: Massive, because is says "Mafia Scum" under his name...

Tehgoods first post nothing big about it.

Well... blah. Unvote Massive - it was random.

I didn't see any real arguments against either Phoebus OR Primoris, but Phoebus got pretty.. defensive. FOS Phoebus.

Bigbenwd is just seeming very lynch happy, and using CrapLogic galore -
OMGUS Vote bigbenwd

bigben was using crap logic vote well deserved. Looks like he's pointing his finger at phoebus a now known mafia.

Well then - Unvote bigbenderfwad

My role PM was structured similarly - so I belive him.

However, Flying Dutchman is looking very suspicious. If 4 people got the same type of vague roles, then why wouldn't Dutchman?

tentative Vote Dutchman

tehgood

Looks like he's pointing at dutch here

Well first off it's nice to see credit given where credit is due... Try for a triple-post next time massive, I dare ya

Of the main lynch contenders I'm tending towards voting for Pheobus... not because of the role claim, I find it somewhat believable, more because of the early defensiveness, and now he seems to be trying to vote to please others. Because he's already claimed though I'm not going to vote right now because some more info before we lynch would be good.

I'll vote:tehgood for now, for jumping on the back of the "i've got the same sort of role as you" brigade.

Why wouldn't he have if he were town? This is no good reason to vote him. When I look at it from a mafia perspective it is a good way to start on the way of getting a townie lynched. You do point out phoebus here which is to your advantage but I would do the same being as phoebus was not doing so well for the mafia. She was obvious in way more ways then one.


I will review the rest of the posts up until tehgoods lynching and make another post about them.

Talitha do know this I am not sure if you are mafia, and I am only doing this to state my opinion and I thought that I might have swayed myself to belive you, though so far it is looking like this is just another excuse of yours.
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[Yoko Kurama]

Here's the rest till tehgoods lynching lets see how scummy he makes himself. Pretty long with little that matters honestly, make you own opinions

Breakdown is the second vote for tehgood only went off of Talitha's statement about saying he had a vague role too. Also says he will put his vote on phoebus if nothing scummy comes out of tehgood.

Well... yea.

Reading over my posts.. (or lack thereoff ) meh...

Maily because I havn't really seen anyone act superscummy other than bigbenwd... but his claim has been "verified" by other people, and I was just saying my PM matched up with his, slightly.

However, he DOES act majorly scummy - more so than anyone else. I guess it is a better lead than anything I have read so far.

Unvote Flying Dutchman

Vote bigbenwd

tehgood

Now this quote leads him to look a little scummy. If he had gotten the vague role pm and bigben said it before anyone then why wouldn't he believe him? On the other hand bigben was jumping around all over the place changing his votes and posting jibberish could have still looked a little scummy in my opinion.

Stewie is the next to go on tehgood because of his backing up bigben then voting for him again.

To explain myself:

I havn't been paying a whole lot of attention to this game, and when I say bigbenwd's claim of a vague role PM, I just said, "yea, I agree".. so it wouldn't appear I was lurking.

Actually READING his posts...

He just seems uber scummy, more so than anyone else. And even if he IS innocent, at least we lynched someone who spews CrapLogic, rather than someone who doesn't confuse us (and by us I mean me )

tehgood

Now he doesn't claim his case very well but this still makes him not seem that scummy being that bigben was very confusing changing his votes all the time and Craplogic was a definate. When he said all he meant was to not seem lurking it could go either way on one hand if he were mafia he would try not to lurk but he wouldn't use the term lurking. If he was a townie and didn't want people to believe he was lurking since he had very minimal posts he might have said exactly what he did say.

The object of the game isn't to kill all the confusing people, and judging by his couple hundred other posts outside this thread bigben doesn't seem to really be acting out of the ordinary. If he is scum, hats off to him, cuz there isn't anything in his behavior that makes me want to lynch him, not yet anyways.

I was planning on switching my vote back to Phoebus once you spoke up, but with the way you've been acting in your last couple posts really makes me wonder if you're not the better choice. There's nothing damning against you, no, but I'm just getting a bad vibe off of you. confirm vote: tehgood

The main part of this post is that breakdown believes there is still not much to go on even though he is voting tehgood. This is the same way I feel, tehgood could go either way right now but not enough yet to lynch him.

I'm still on tehgood.... first he mentions how bigben's roleclaim sounds like his role, then he turns around and says that bigben is scummy.
Yes it's probably a self-preservation move, but it all just sounds a bit fishy to me.

You have every right to be on tehgood right now but still shouldn't want him to be lynched until you hear more.

I said that bigbenwd's role PM being vague was similar to mine - I never mentioned anything about my role being similar to his...

@breakdown - my last couple posts have been defending myself against rabid claims of me being buddy buddy with bigben

still, he seems the most supicious right now - neither Phoebus nor Primoris seem scummy.

Massive, however - he is looking a bit off, just his last 2 posts.

F.O.S Massive

confirm vote bigbenwd

Massive looked very scummy to me too. When I began this game my two main mafia suspects were Phoebus and Massive. He was defending himself really doesn't seem to ME that he deserves a vote.1

AHH!

BIGBEN!

First: use proper punctuation, etc (I'm a hypocrite).

Second: You look like scum. Scum Scum Scum Scum.

confirm vote bigbenwd

Tehgood starts going after bigben too much way too much. After finding out bigben was innocent I could see how people might jump on tehgood for comments as that one but he still seems more ignorant then scummy to me.

Hmmm... what is it.. 12 hours until deadline?
I'm not going to change my vote, but it looks like bigben is going to be the one lynched.

A small piece of mafia advice for bigben: If you are pro-town and you believe tehgood could be anti-town, smart play would be to put your vote on tehgood... no-one would hold it against you and it might give you a fighting chance...
If you are anti-town please ignore this advice

I don't like this post of Talitha's don't ask me why it just gets on my nerves. Maybe because she wants tehgood killed so bad without enough information to really go on. The way I see things is talitha is a very good mafia player and why she would want to kill him so bad is beyond me.

Gah. I'm not anti-town.

Yea.. please don't lynch me, I actually wanna play this game

But I don't suppose there is anything that could PROVE that I am pro/anti town... just assumptions based on that I agreed that my role PM was vague.

tehgood

LET ME LIVE!

Pathetic but definatly townie material.

Flying dutchman starts the new day off by voting tehgood and saying not much to go on. Well in my opinion if talitha and flying dutchman are working together this is a good idea being that it throws attention off them being a group and they figure that the townies will see the votes and jump right on as they did.

Why the heck would anyone kill Breakdown? That seems arbitrary.

Right now, and I hate to say this, but Talitha seems most suspicious to me. I did a re-read, and when she joined the game, it seemed like she just jumped on a reason, ANY reason to stay away from the bigbenwd bandwagon and move on tehgood. The problem is, I also find tehgood suspicious (and I think I was the one who outlined the whole "my PM too" reason for tehgood's suspiciosity in the first place), so I'm in "one or the other" mode now.

Here massive confirms what I earlier stated you jumped on tehgood for little reason not enough to want to lnch him then he gave crappy posts so you built your little case against him.

Well that's interesting. The two people under the most pressure late yesterday now pointing the finger in my direction.

You're right. I did try to stay away from the bigben bandwagon. Why? Mainly because what he said about his role PM rang true. I know the mod did not want us to use that kind of information so I haven't mentioned it, but it's hard to ignore when it's there in black and white. To me, although he was voting and posting erratically (have you noticed how he posts around the rest of the forum??), he was one of my least suspicious people. and he was an easy target for the mafia because of it.

vote: tehgood

Nice quote but it's about what I would say if I were in your position and mafia.

Because he didn't claim a role untill later..?

I agreed with him about his PM - he didn't say anything about his role.

Lemme find the quote.

Secondly, why is it bad to agree with someone?

tehgood

i suggest you all dont lynch me, it'll be a waste, all i was told though was i'm pro town and i have no powers, other then that, she wouldnt specify, so i dunno even lol

err...

I stand corrected.

Anyway, why is saying I am also a vanilla townie with a vague role PM bad? All I did was agree with him!

Sad thing is - I can't prove I'm pro-town. But you can't prove I'm anti-town.

There's not much else I can say to defend myself.

tehgood

These are the last to quotes in my opinion of any importance. It explains the mistakes tehgood made he was not playing with his head I can now see why the rest of the town voted tehgood. He died from pressure put on him by talitha. He did not seem scummy at all until talitha pressured him for no reason and he got scared. It is a good tactic for a member of the mafia.

Lets see I just wasted abut an hour and 30 min on this so I may as well post it. My order of suspision now goes Flying Dutchman-Talitha-Primoris

[Yoko Kurama]

First of all sorry bout the double posts if norinel could delete the identical ones it would be much appretiated. This computer is a piece of $hit.

To make this post have more meaning I would like to state a more in depth opinion of Stewie. Stewie was the first to take his vote off bigben after the vague role was stated by bigben. If this was a mafia ploy then he has me completely fooled. When more people came out later and stated the vague role It only made Stewies case more belivable.
Here's the point lets say Stewie is mafia. Stewie would have taken a chance about the vague roles. If no one else had gotten them then he would look like mafia. If stewie turns out mafia I figure I won't feel so bad (because to me it would feel like plaing Einstien in a game of chess )

Basically what this means is I trust what Stewie says, and I think the remaining town should consider him confirmed townie.

[Yoko Kurama]

In my opinion primoris in stating 2 mafia are left it made me think you more of a townie. The other hand of it of course is what you thought I was speaking of that you and another person are mafia and in knowing there are two you posted the two voted for phoebus.

[Yoko Kurama]

Ok Flying Dutchman I just saw you post in 3 of the 4 forums. It has been said that you are lying low and now I believe it. Maybe its not smart for you to play 4 games at once.

I think you need some motivation to try to play in this game too.

Vote-Flying Dutchman

[Yoko Kurama]

That makes plenty of sense.... So FD you have nothing of importance to say or comment about on any of the things that have been said against you or about anyone else? So you have no comment to make about what we will do or who we will lynch? Man If everyone thought like you then this web site wouldn't be necessary now would it. I remind you you are playing a game here and like it is usually said you have a responsibility to the rest of the players. There is plenty of stuff to consider at this most KEY point of our game. Your lazyness and excuses don't lead me to believe you are mafia but a mere JACKASS.

Thats as nice as I can be without going....nevermind

[Yoko Kurama]

Unvote-Flying Dutchman

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[Yoko Kurama]

Ok I'm pretty sure Talithas Mafia and I may have a decent reason. The other night when no one was killed the mafia probley tryed to kill massive. Assuming that massive was the doctor because doctors tend to protect themselves the mafia went after him instead of me because they figured massive would then protect me. So anyway FD and Primoris are newbies doubt they would have grabbed on to this strategy yet. Now Talitha and Darkblade are not new so it leaves me to believe one of them thought the idea. Darkblade always wanted phoebus dead which leaves me to believe the mafia strategist is Talitha. Plus the tehgood thing too and my gut feeling.

Soooooo.....

Vote-Talitha

[Yoko Kurama]

I will review the whole doctor thing and If you are correct stewie I'll vote FD.

[Yoko Kurama]

So you are experienced but still you don't have anything useful to add to this game?

My point exactly!!!! I am iffy on flying dutchman and still assume talitha, you started tehgoods bandwagon but Im not so sure if your mafia now. I have been bouncing around because I am pretty sure this is my last day in the living, I would like to leave knowing two mafia are dead.

I believe Flying Dutchman might be town because of his laziness but that is nothing to base it on. Well Anyway.......

Unvote-Talitha

Vote- Flying Dutchman

[Yoko Kurama]

unvote-fd

vote-talitha

(not this again)
after reading her flying dutchman suspisions I feel it was day 1 and im not sure enough

[Yoko Kurama]

Ha Ha easy solution! (well maybe) If FD is not backup doc or whatever but a mafia he might have stated that he got a vague role earlier (the whole bigben thingy). Well see if he had said he got a vague role then his nurse thing would be a lie!!! Well why this isn't a sure thing is because I just got off work and want to go to sleep so don't feel like taking the time to check. In the mourning I will.

[Yoko Kurama]

However, Flying Dutchman is looking very suspicious. If 4 people got the same type of vague roles, then why wouldn't Dutchman?

tentative Vote Dutchman

tehgood

Oh yes, i have a vage role too, but that's no reason to say "I knew it wouldnt work" when someone questions your claim............

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's late well this is proof enough for me to have a clear conscious. Unless telling him he was a backup doc/nurse was vague I think there's a pretty good case against him. If he is the nurse my last chance to live. I shall hope I die knowing one mafia is left.....

Unvote-Phoebus

Vote-FD

Oh ya I just couldn't wait till mourning to find out!!!

[Yoko Kurama]

Sigh, well, I would be dead tonight anyway, as no doc can protect ME

Well, go town!

Uh oh that may not be so good SCARY TWILIGHT.

[Yoko Kurama]

Yawn..... checks date..... man its been a long game..... wait its not over yet......

[Yoko Kurama]

Talitha mafia no way Yoko thats crazy talk!!!

[Yoko Kurama]

I investigated you Talitha as you would have assumed and norinel told me you were mafia. I was actually disappointed because when I heard you were mafia for sure I figured the town was screwed. I had hard enough trouble getting phoebus lynched though I thought I should have been able to do it w/o saying I was the cop. Even with saying I was the cop they still took their time lynching him off.

It was so hard watching the game knowing that we would soon lose.

[Yoko Kurama]

However, Flying Dutchman is looking very suspicious. If 4 people got the same type of vague roles, then why wouldn't Dutchman?

tentative Vote Dutchman

tehgood

Oh yes, i have a vage role too, but that's no reason to say "I knew it wouldnt work" when someone questions your claim............

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's late well this is proof enough for me to have a clear conscious. Unless telling him he was a backup doc/nurse was vague I think there's a pretty good case against him. If he is the nurse my last chance to live. I shall hope I die knowing one mafia is left.....

Unvote-Phoebus

Vote-FD

Oh ya I just couldn't wait till mourning to find out!!!

Oops looks like I never unvoted talitha so my vote for FD didn't count and the game is void. See the way I see it no one wins right.....

[Yoko Kurama]

Interesting that YK chose to hold back the result, especially as he didn't with the innocent on massive. He's been acting odd today

This has a few reasons, I would have investigated Talitha the night before but I trusted darkblade more than anyone and when he gave me the suggestion I decide to do it. I wanted talitha to tell me to investigate someone else and then I would have for sure investigated her.

Why I was really acting odd though was because I was just about to say my results were Talitha-Mafia. Then I figured if I was wrong everyone would want to kill me (literally) for not letting them make their own choice and choosing it for them from my assumptions alone.