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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=15176
Its a little different situation, but the similarities are also strong. Just read the first half of page 1.
More or less vote hopping right now until I hit an easy read. So yes and no. Yes in I am playing serious, no in that I have any strong read on him.
Why no vote?-
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AlmasterGM wrote:i think you are both scum, actually. why do you care so much about slaxx?
If we were both scum, he wouldn't have cast me in the negative light with that last "look how bad his reasoning is for voting me" post.
Not this early anyway.
Town: Hindu, LLD
Scum: Diamond, SaM
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SGRaaize wrote:Slaxx wrote:Later in-game? Maybe.
I am honestly not seeing your logic and why this being the beginning of the game matters. Are you implying he would just distance from you and not call you out on the vote if you were partners just because this is the beginning of the game? I do my reverse-distancing all day err day.
I'm saying there was no reason to do it because I was already the center of attention, why would he subtly add fuel to the fire. If it were reverse and he was under the microscope, then throwing flak on me would be the right move. As it stands now, we are under roughly equal pressure so him trying to subtly throw the limelight back on me is stupid for scum to do to a buddy. Which is also why I think he is scum.-
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I said it already Diamond. Basically he cast me in a negative light when I was the only competing bandwagon. It could be town legitimately thinking I am scum, but it feels like scum trying to shove the limelight towards me and off of them.
Nbt, I need more than that. Also, are you on SH? If so who are you there? Have we ever played together there? Too lazy to check.-
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Hinduragi wrote:The townreads gave you away. I do those so much when I'm scum just because they're good free buddy cards. Diamond/Slaxx looks like the best D1 obvious bus ever.
Science and Magic is fucking town from the "I'm an alt. So what?" exchange. What a lolwagon that is. Slaxx is still scum. Even his "I can't be scum with Diamond because of this" feels fake. Let's keep going.
It was SaM, not diamond.-
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You were serious, not saying you weren't. But I proved that point moot with an identical game where I was town. Does it prove I am town? No. But it disproves your point. And you need to do better than "that scum aura". If you're going to be one of those annoying tunneling players be prepared for some serious fucking backlash. I haven't been mislynched in like the last 15 of my town games and I don't expect to start now.-
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It's not that hard.
His initial vote was for me double posting, the first as a vote, the second as a post without a vote.
I show him a game where I doubleposted, the first as a vote, the second post without a vote.
Both were on Page 1 during RVS.
I was town.
It is not a reliable tell for me. Therefore, based on that, I am not scumdue to that point.
There is no other case against me besides his "scum aura" which is more or less "hey, I'm tunneling and seeing what I want to see here". Still don't think he is mafia though. Just dumb tunnel-town.-
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Or it could because I think you are town. I remember you posting a bit outside the game about how terrible you were and you continue to do it here.
Yet you are super active in this thread. Why would a scum who thought they were terrible post continuously in here? Nope.jpg.
Also, the interactions between you and SaM do not look like a bus, and once again, I think SaM is mafia. Along with Diamond, who actually did exactly what Hindu here accused me of but of course he fails to see it.-
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I unvoted Sam because Diamond was doing the typical asking questions thing. This game is playing out ridiculously like the one I linked to its scaring me. There the mafia roleblocker was asking those same empty filler questions. However, A VT doing the same thing flipped in Desert Large normal that just ended. So who knows. I still think empty filler questions are scum tells 7/10 times if not more.
Their is no dissonance in the two quotes Wicked. I say I want reads and vote hop. So when one wagon isn't getting me reads, I changed.-
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AlmasterGM wrote:Slaxx wrote:1. Okay, but when asked, I explained, I think all my reads.
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a. I don't get how the percentage is relevant at all
b. If Hindu was proceeding to lynch you in the same way he lynched me I would read him as town. It should NOT change because he is on me. That is a terrible way to think.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm saying it's counterintuitive and usually not a position people take.
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I'm not your average pair of pants, sir.-
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I thought Mastin's claim was one of the more believable miller claims I have seen.
LLD, you have any non-mastin scum reads?
Also, I think the bulk of that article is how to use your investigations, not how to act during the day. If there really is a way telling cops how to act during the day besides obvious things, then its a self-defeting article because cop would get killed anyway.-
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Mastin, Wicked is scum. He has done nothing but tunnel on the big bandwagon. Seem familiar? A little too familiar? As in a game that just ended? Yup . LLD is his partner.
Third scum is still hiding in the bushes somewhere.
Charter is town because his "anything else to say" gambit lines up with what he later explained he was looking for. He gets even more town points because he wasn't even pressured to reveal why he did it (iirc). He wouldn't have given an easy bandwagon a chance to towntell as scum, and if they were partners I don't think he would have done something like that at all.
Mastin is town because of the miller claim and because LLD's attack on him is more or less shit.
I still reserve my SGR and Hinduragi townreads.
If wicked is indeed scum, that would make SaM town. So as it stands,
Town: Hinduragi, SGR, Mastin, Charter. (SaM, Diamond)*
Scum: Wicked, LLD, One of (AGM, Gorilla, Pine, nbt)
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Focusing on nothing but the big bandwagon makes you scum. It gives you an excuse to ignore scumbuddies and still look like you are doing something. I'm rather surprised you even asked that question.
Also LLD calling two scum on her wagon is funny. She said there are two scum on it because everyone is sheeping and is is a fast moving wagon, or implied that. The funny thing is, she has done nothing but sheep fast moving wagons all game. Also, in addition to me saying you had a comfy spot on the SaM wagon, other people noted you also had a scummy entrance onto my wagon. Two shitty wagon votes over 8 pages isn't too bad, it is hard to make cases 8 pages in. This is definitely the best thing out there right now as far as scum tells. The only thing that really rivals it in strength is wicked's big-wagon tunneling or charter's fake-hammer towntell.-
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Slaxx - Uses self-meta to try to show he's Town, buddies with everyone that suspects him or shows a hint of suspicion (Me and Hinduragi), he's Mafia
Did you even read the other game? Its not even meta, its posting style. And I brought this up in the other game too. I post as soon as something comes to my mind, its spontaneous. Seriously, all you have to do is read the first two pages of the other game. Its literally the same situation.
Also, I already discussed with AGM how that second part is bullshit. I legitimately have town reads on you two, and even explained them. You yourself said they were logical and I made very valid points, going as far to say I was genuinely scumhunting. What changed?-
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ALSO ALSO I specifically said that it didn't prove I was town, just that I wasn't scum based on that point. Basically Hindu thought he had me on the substance of my posts, but I showed him it was just my style of posting in general.
slaxx 68 wrote:It is not a reliable tell for me. Therefore, based on that, I am not scum due to that point.-
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Lol okay.
So you call me a retard which implies you think I am wrong town. But you called me scum in your previous post. And my point still stands: you just quoted a post and sheeped the wagon, I hardly see any difference between that and what people on your wagon are doing (the people you think are scum).-
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The shit I am pushing isn't stupid at all. It's fairly strong, and for page 8 I think it is fairly convincing.
And you ignored the second part of my post. There is a very small difference between the two cases. Both are bad. Point is your first two votes were just you bandwagoning like a mofo and I don't like it. I think you're scum. Also, you never gave reasons for your other scum reads. You just threw them on two people that were voting you. It just reeks of lazy scum.
P EDIT: That is totally fucking false. Hindu and I both have reasons to be voting you. I will freely admit that Gorilla and SaM do not, and that is there problem. They can explain when they get here. I said your spot on the SaM bandwagon looked too comfy, especially after laying down the fourth vote on me and then shrugging it off during this conversation. Hindu said you have been doing nothing besides bandwagoning, which is very true.-
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LLD-SK is possible but highly unlikely. LLD mafia buying herself two days is more likely, and tbh I don't believe that either. I think she is town.
I am fairly sure one scum exists in between these two:
For Diamond: Empty questions, taking an odd stance on my wagon day 1 (calling me town because of 1 page of meta is...eh), the fact Diamond figured LLD was SK and not mafia is very bad.
For Wicked: Tunneling on big bandwagon day 1, using Pine's absence as an excuse to not do shit-all other than tunnel (yes, he did do that).
Now, here is where it gets kind of cool.
LLD is town unless something drastic happens, and that is a bridge I am not even going to cross until I get to it.
Hindu's early-game aggressiveness still reads as town.
I have already explained why Charter is town.
Mastin is town for his miller claim.
So, that's four town reads I am fairly for sure on.
I have lost my town read on SGR, him saying I was scum after saying I was genuinely scumhunting is meh.
(Mastin, LLD, Charter, Hindu)
Exclude (Diamond, Wicked) and there are still two scum in (Pine, Gorilla, Nbt, SGR, SaM, AGM)
I still have a gut town read on nbt, so I am going to extract him for now.
Spoiler: Wicked Scum
I looked through on Diamond scum and I can't really see him being scum with Charter (the meta discussion) but almost everyone else is fair game, which is one of the reasons I am okay with a Diamond lynch.
But yeah, Wicked scum=Town win if Diamond is town.-
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Its not just the miller claim, its the way he went about it: referencing his how to play cop guide, claiming literally right after he received his PM, etc.
If there is no cop, once again, we can cross that bridge. Plus, Mastin probably isn't scum with diamond. If Diamond flips town then I will look into him more.-
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Its actually a good read. No real RVS, 2 L-1 wagons, its crammed with hints. Feel like I'm on some sort of scavenger hunt. Let me quote it for you >_>
What makes you think that I only read "the first two posts of one other game"? If you bothered to look at the game he linked you'd see the stark similarities between his play that game and his play this game.
Actually, I remember reading it a little stronger. Let me check wagons when I'm not as lazy. This still doesn't look like a scum responding to a scum, but you're right, chart'ers initial post reeks of such.-
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