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Post Post #245 (isolation #0) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:37 am

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/confirm

Let's start this off with a bang, VOTE: Panacea She thinks to much like me, I'm afraid if she is on the opposite alignment of me, She has better chances of winning because she is good at dissecting any of my arguments.

;) <3 you Pan!

lol, now to the actual game at hand, I don't believe my roleslot has posted since the game started, so Hi everybody! this is my second game on this website, although I have done countless chat mafias prior.

I pretty much agree with the most of the cases presented against bob, and agree with a possible musicninja as a partner, but I am wary of sticking him at L-1 so far from deadline.

I would rather ask the town if they have any specific questions for me pertaining to the game so far I could answer? Talking directly with you guys in a group format, whether the content is meaningful or not will help me get on my feet in the game and feel more comfortable I think. So fire away! Once I feel a bit more comfortable here, I would be gladly to stick down my vote however.

Oh also, ignore the whole Panacea thing from earlier in the post, I'm just givin her a hard time from my last game I replaced into. She kinda had me biting my nails for nine hours straight yesterday evening. UNVOTE:
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Post Post #248 (isolation #1) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:22 am

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Hey send me the role-PM of LTP, I'll pick whichever one I like better. ;)

lol jks! :D
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Post Post #254 (isolation #2) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:34 am

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@scumhunter, my last game when I replaced in and gave a strem of thought narrative on what I thought through the part of the game I wasn't here for I immediately got scumdar'd by half the game for it. I didn't want that to happen again so I figured if I just answered any questions asked of me it would be a better way to ease myself into an already rujnning game

To answer your question at first I didn't see why anyone was making suxh a big deal of the whole situation. To me it seemed like the whole thing was just blowing out of proportion faster than seemed possible. When the one person (can't remember names right this second and don't have the processpr speed to go back and ch eck quickly, on my cell at state fair) who was all "I think it could be seen as town" with no explanation after being asked page after page kept defending him I thought the two of them could be scumteam or he had some role where his life was dependant on the life of whiskers. Either way I was wary of the two. Then when he finally told us his reasoning it made sense and I began to go back to thinking the whole thing was just blown out of proportion.

As to why thoughts on whislers alignment I'm leaning more towards town. The person that accused him of scum for flip lfopping his votes on an "opportunistic hammer"? No. She switched her vote back to her main suspect after ir being on her secondary suspect. She wanted musicninja lynched and only voted bob when she felt no possible chance for a nusicninja lynch. When musicninja becomes a viable option again, shed rather lynch her number one suspect than her number 2.


I hope any of this makes sense and isn't too misspelt. I'm on my cell at statefair.


As to your auestion whiskers, if its mylo with 1 scum I would nl. If it is mylo with mulyiple scum I would lynch. When I get home I will elaborate on this, but for now t at answers your question
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Post Post #255 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:16 am

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M'kay. if it is mylo with 1 scum, I would nl, because it gives you more information. Who dies in the night A: lessens your chance of misslynch, B: gives you information to use to find out who might be scum if you can correctly interpret the night kill, C: raises the chance of hitting scum (now a 33% instead of 25% from town PoV, and a 50% rather than a 30% from individual PoV)

if it is mylo with multiple scum, I would lynch because I hate being at lylo day after day after day. Plus night kills have a double-edged sword, now the scum can talk at night about who they want to kill, the least scummy looking scum can say "Hey this is why I think the night kill happened" and then push for a vote on their partner, then the next day when there is 1 scum left he is harder to find. did that helpful townie yesterday bus his partner, or is he really a helpful townie? Much more confusing and brain-wrecking. I'd rather through a lynch and say fuck the consequences.
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Post Post #256 (isolation #4) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:23 am

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Robo's rules make no mention to the post-game

Robo: Can we link the QT so as to show the scum's night-discussion?
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Post Post #257 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:24 am

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wow /facedesk

SORRY GUYS I CLICKED ON THE WRONG TAB> those were meant to be posted in my game I just endgamed... -.-


http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17911

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Post Post #259 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:31 am

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I'm a failure at life, just ignore me and I will go away now. :P
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Post Post #263 (isolation #7) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:51 am

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just a few quick questions for my own interests, I want to see the replies. they may be odd but just go with it please. :P

Substrike, can you explain in a DETAILED (longer than 1 sentence, sentences longer than 5 words) post for me why exactly you are voting Packbat, if you are honestly hopeful for a lynch on her or are just voting her without hoping for a lynch, if the second option, why don't you want her lynched if you're voting her? (if that made sense)

Panacea, are you the same alignment as me?

Whiskers, if we lynched you, would you still think its bob and music?
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Post Post #265 (isolation #8) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:16 pm

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/facedesk. I meant Panacea.

past game. I got all of the people I was POINTING the questions at names correct! :P
(note to self: maybe not good idea to play with players you have played other games with, names may get mixed up)
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Post Post #266 (isolation #9) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:17 pm

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Also Whiskers, did my summary of what I thought your votes meant sound about accurate, or am I way off?
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Post Post #270 (isolation #10) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:29 pm

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Panacea wrote:
MARUCHAN!!!!
Long time no see! And lol, a billion apologies for that. Poor Maruchan was my scumbuddy, who put a townie at L-1 as I was signing off, and got to wait with bated breath for nine hours until I got off work last night and noticed my vote was needed to win the game. ^^* I hope you're town; we're good on the same team. :D

lol no biggy. I was just hoping you didn't hate me for accidentally mentioning your name and bringing you down with me when you ended up disappearing for 9 hours right as I voted. :P

panacea wrote:
Maruchan wrote:Panacea, are you the same alignment as me?
Are you town? I already notice a difference in your posting style, so I'll offer a hesitant "I think so." What do you think of my vote on your slot?

A: I think I may have confused you with my little joke I placed at the end of yesterday. I am not LTP. LTP is still MIA in terms of the game, waiting for a replacement. I am a player who (I believe) never confirmed? (if I remember correctly)
B: Any change in my posting style is purely due to experience and not based on my alignment in any way shape or form, thanks though for giving me the implied compliment of "you're no longer posting as scummy-like"! Greatly appreciated! :D Don't take this as me saying I am not town btw, I am town, I just want don't want to be presumed town under false pretenses. Thats like my whole ribbing I gave Stuntman about how "that is what scum do. not town". Playing under false pretenses is a form of lying by exclusion, and lying is a mafia tactic, therefore I would prefer to not use it, even if it does benefit me.
C: Good you answered my question perfectly! If you had said yes or no, I would have taken that as a slightly-scumtell, as only scum would know for sure which alignment I was. ;)

Oh also, I want to see what this does. VOTE: bob. -waits patiently-
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Post Post #272 (isolation #11) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:55 pm

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oh damn. Gah. I am not sure if I should take your "lets be honest" ploy at face value, or if I should assume you saw me use the same general "statement" then quickly threw up a reply, and added in the PREEDIT to make it look like you came up with it on your own as an attempt to AtE me.


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If your time stamp had honestly been like 2-3 minutes earlier I would have taken it at full face value without a question, for now, I'm not sure.

Whether or not it is a AtE on me, kudos for being honest and not taking an easy scapegoat credit when it isn't true. even if it is an AtE and you're scum, that is throwing away an easy out as scum, trekking for the harder path.

I was hoping I could ask EVERYONE that question, but then the results wouldn't be accurate for more than the first 1-2 people, as the scum would just copy earlier answers that seemed to sound right, or if the first player (like you) realized it was a trick question, the whole thing would have been a waste and I would have only gotten a read on the first player from it. So I settled with asking the one player I wanted to be on the same alignment with, so it would be most helpful to me, Panacea. Purely due to familiarity you could say. :)
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Post Post #274 (isolation #12) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:19 pm

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monk I know thats my point. earlier I felt it was to early to put someone at L1. I didn't want the day to en without anyone having ANY interaction from me. Now I feel a bit more confident in putting him at L1 because I want to see what this causes in the other players.
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Post Post #277 (isolation #13) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:03 pm

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dang I forgot that Monk had un-voted. that made my vote on him now a completely empty pointless move. -.- oh well.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #14) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:28 pm

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ugh I hate cop claims. fml.

VOTE: musicninja

if he is scum, and there really IS a cop out there, DO NOT CC HIM!!!!!
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Post Post #283 (isolation #15) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:09 pm

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Friend I agree. Also I want us to get at least one report from bob, fake cop or real, before we lynch him. which is why I switched my vote. I didn't switch it because i believe him or dis-believe him, but moreso just because I'd like to get at least one piece of information off him before we kill him.
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Post Post #285 (isolation #16) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:47 pm

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yeah that was what I was saying. :P
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Post Post #287 (isolation #17) » Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:52 pm

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Musicninja is now at L-2. just FYI everyone
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Post Post #298 (isolation #18) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:21 am

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Tovarish wrote:
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If nothing else Whiskers, your last few posts have been good, honest, and pro-Town. What is worrying me is Maruchan's posit that your value to the Town is apparently linked to your typing speed, and that if you had simply gotten your post in faster he should believe you. For all we know, you could have actually been going to the bathroom, or putting a nice real bottle of wine in front of you. In any case, the only deadline we should be adhering to, and basing anything off of, is the moderator's lynch deadline, and I am more than willing to very closely scrutinize the next person who will assign Town-ness based on such things.

Maruchan- Not to be rude, but I don't care what you did in other games enough to look it up. If you could clarify point B in post #270, I would feel much obliged. It may also do a lot to help dispel the suspicions I have regarding a player who thought he was putting a non-claimed player at L-1.

my point B refers to this post http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3316868. thats the "Ribbing I gave Stuntman"

Basically I ISOed him then line-by-line everything he said I tacked a reason why it was scummy onto it (half of them are BS and to be ignored, I was trying to get town sheep). Many of my points though were valid, mainly: If Scum Would Do It, YOU SHOULD NOT! my Point B in this game is me telling her that. I am glad she thinks I am more town due to posting styles, but I don't want to mislead her, as thats what scum would do. I am town, but my posting style is changed due to experience, not due to alignment. Thats basically all the point meant.

also at your comment of what I have worrying you, I am not basing whether or not she is town or scum on the time she posted, but I am basing whether or not she posted the "I wish i could take credit for it but I won't" as an AtE to me from the above mentioned point or whether she really meant it.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #19) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:27 am

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Whiskers wrote:Like, Hurray, *hug* you said I was town and gave good reasons for it!

...I want a hug...

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Post Post #305 (isolation #20) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:52 pm

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^^^

throwing up a bunch of random quotes, I don't quite see the connection.
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Post Post #309 (isolation #21) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:00 pm

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as per you're third, your "impersonation" in quotes of what Whiskers said is inaccurate. its more like "Hey you're a smart person and I don't like smart people because smart people are to good at NOT looking scummy. I hope you aren't scum because if you are, I would have a hard time noticing it"
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Post Post #317 (isolation #22) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:38 pm

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Why is it that like every pretty female between the ages of 15 and 25 own an iPhone?

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Post Post #322 (isolation #23) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:01 am

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even more reason to lynch music. inactivity. :P
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substrike, inactivity is not greater sin that scummieness, but inactivity+scummieness combines is a greater sin that scummieness alone.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #25) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:49 pm

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Whiskers so am I, I am curious to see his case on you also, other than the whole early-game "you better be joking" thing which is so long-gone and so unimportant if thats the only reason then wow.
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Post Post #347 (isolation #26) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:07 pm

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I say we lynch musicninja today ,then deal with tomorrow when its tomorrow.
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Post Post #351 (isolation #27) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:13 pm

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mfw scumhunter is scum?

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Post Post #357 (isolation #28) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:09 pm

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lol ok substrike. :) I love how, rather than answering the question of WHY someone is scummy, he avoids the question and points more fingers.

and mfw is my face when.


and I don't want the day to end, I just want music lynched. I think he is scum, and he is inactive so it becomes even more beneficial to lynch him.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #29) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:12 pm

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Oh. I thought we were closer to deadline sorry.

Thats why I made the "lets lynch him and worry about tomorrow tomorrow" statement. I just did a 25-page catch-up read on my other game I replaced into and they were like 24 hours from deadline so I guess I just confused the deadline of that game with this deadline. My bad.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #30) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:00 pm

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Maruchan wrote:lol ok substrike. :) I love how, rather than answering the question of WHY someone is scummy, he avoids the question and points more fingers.

and mfw is my face when.


and I don't want the day to end, I just want music lynched. I think he is scum, and he is inactive so it becomes even more beneficial to lynch him.


I already posted the posts I found scummy about whiskers. Your buddying with whiskers plus your rush to end the day makes you officially scummier than Whiskers.

UNVOTE: Whiskers
VOTE: Maruchan

if this is enough in your book to make someone scummy, I officially deem you Flippy-Floppy!
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Post Post #364 (isolation #31) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:07 pm

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Substrike22 wrote:I already posted the posts I found scummy about whiskers

also, no you have not. We asked you in posts 341 and 342. Every post made by you since then has been about ME. you have not yet answered me or whiskers' question.

What do you find scummy about bob?
OSHI IM ASKIGN A QUESTION IN BOBS DEFENSE!! LOOKS LIKE I BUDDIED HIM!!!! ME AND BOB ARE SCUMTEAM!!!

What do you find scummy about friend?
OSHI I ASKED A QUESTION IN FRIEND'S DEFENSE!!!!!!! LOOKS LIKE I BUDDIED HIM!!!! ME AND FRIEND ARE SCUMTEAM!!!!


seriously though, point out this buddying you're referring to other than me agreeing that I want to know what you find scummy.

you telling me (another town player) what you find scummy, BENEFITS TOWN! because if it really IS scummy, guess what. you just convinced another town player that he is scum! and if you TRULY believe he is scum, YOU JUST HELPED TOWN!!


so fersrs, me asking you why you find Whiskers scummy is a PRO TOWN question. so quit being so wishy-washy.

@scumhunter, the comment I made about you being scum I meant to make it about substrike, I got you two mixed up. my bad, sorry.

also, lrn2buddy.
wiki wrote:Buddying up is a tactic, usually used by members of the Mafia, to try to make yourself look less threatening. Typically the Mafia member will try to be friendly in some way, either outright or, more often, subtly. If the Mafia member is ever lynched at some point, and other players have noticed the buddying, it tends to throw suspicion on the person the Mafia was being friendly towards, thereby causing confusion even after the Mafioso's death.


If you are accusing me and Whiskers of buddying, you are accusing one of us of being town. SO either we're buddying, or we're both scum. One or the other. Not both.

which is it?
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Post Post #365 (isolation #32) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:11 pm

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@Scumhunter, if there IS a real cop CC, don't claim today. Claim tomorrow. Why? If I live through the night, I will explain tomorrow.
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Post Post #370 (isolation #33) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:23 pm

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Also, you calling me "wishy-washy" on whiskers is fucking hysterical considering I've been on that wagon 95% of Day 1.


Who are you voting for right now?

I rest my case.

Also I'm surprised people are letting Maruchan off the hook for the rushing the deadline. To me that is the single greatest scumtell we've had so far in this game and then he just casually passes it off as "oh well i thought the deadline was closer." Yeah. And then the L-1 mislynch with 2 scum already on the wagon makes that last person look realllllly suspicious, doesn't it? But it was an accident guys, no worries.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3328325
I just replaced in, and was mixing deadlines up. sorry that after reading 700 posts my brain is a little bit mixed up. We can't all have mega-brains like you.

And I definitely didn't spend 2-3 posts prior to you two grilling me on what I found scummy about Whiskers explaining what I found scummy about Whiskers, in an easy to follow 3 point guide. One point I conceeded, the other two of which still remain valid in my mind.

Hey I can makes poitns on you too without providing any links ro reference said points.
1. He flat-out told us he was scum.
2. He told us the names of all his partners.
3. He Selvoted.

okay, I admit, he didn't selfvote, but points one and two still stand!!!!


Me and whiskers were asking you to SHOW us where the scummieness happened, not summarize it in a bullet point without any form of links to or quoting of the original content. THAT, you never did.

PEdit: [substrike impersonation] "I think panacea whiskers and maruchan are scum. -someone asks me to explain why I think panacea is scum- Oh I think Maruchan and Whiskers are scum, i just said panaceas name cus it sounded right. I really only have scum-reads on Maruchan and Whiskers, but since Maruchan is being nice to Panacea even though she has town tells she must be scum!" [/impersonation]
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Post Post #374 (isolation #34) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:30 pm

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you're still beating around the bush. That last post of yours, you were basically asked to show why you thought Panacea is scummy. instead of showing why she is scummy, you say she isn't as scummy as everyone else.

When me and whiskers asked you to show WHERE she was scummy, you never did.

Does anyone else notice a pattern of beating around the bush?

PEdit: LOLOLOL so now I am scummy for buddying (still going off of an inaccurate definition of buddying of course) someone completely separate from the person you found the most scummy.


wait did you mix Panacea and Whiskers up? As in you confused two separate things and interpreted them as one? OH MAI GOD! DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS SOUNDS LIKE?!?!? This sounds like me mixing up deadlines. Thats what this sounds like.

PEdit: I wil quote the post, after you answer me and Whiskers' posts asking YOU to SHOW her scummieness.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #35) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:31 pm

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Oh and my buddying is being nice to a girl I just got finished winning a game together with for 2 posts when I get into a game?

So I'm like, not allowed to make friends on MafiaScum?

Well that sucks.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #36) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:33 pm

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Pushing for an inactivity lynch over a scum lynch.


No. I was pushing for a scum lynch. Thet scum just also happened to be inactive.

If I saw someone scummier, I would push for their lynch, which honestly I do see someone scummier now, but in order for me to push for their lynch, you're going to accuse me of OMGUSing. I don't feel like feeding the trolls.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #37) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:52 pm

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Like I said, I found someone I would much rather lynch today. :)

and no. I'm not OMGUSing. At first, I thought you were just dense about the whole whiskers getting mad about your fake vig hit.

I honestly could care less what you think of me because I think your scum and therefore your opinion of me is completely fabricated to assist you in winning the game.

So long as I don't get lynched today, you can do whatever you want to me. lynch me tomorrow for all I care. I just want to see bob's report tomorrow before I die. After that, you can lynch me all you want.
also as per your finally quoted posts.

SO you're basing your entire scum feeling on Whiskers, who you have been pushing for SINCE BEFORE THE GAME STARTED, based on two posts she made, WITHIN THE PAST THREE DAYS?!?!?

uhm no. Post what had your vote on her early on in the game, and any other scum reads you have. if you can't then why have you been gunning for her so hard for so long?

As per your points listed, 1. Idgaf if you're town or scum, you don't want to die. Dying as scum means you're probably more likely to lose. Dying as town means you're out of the game and no longer get to enjoy the experience. If someone ISN'T scared shitless when they're getting lynched, I'd be worried. That means they are up to something, and they WANT to die. It usually means their partner is bussing them, or they have some role whose action takes place upon their death. So you do have a point. She did have a rather high sense of self-preservation. I find that a null read. if she hadn't had a high sense of preservation, I would have found it scummy. Also you're whole pr/scum theory. How do you know she isn't PR? Is there some rule that says there is one town-aligned player that isn't Vanilla Townie? I must have missed the memo, as I have played many games with multiple PRs.

Your second point, she already cleared up with saying that she was quoting her attitude from a previous game. I believe this is the one you said you conceded on? And you're whole "not trade cop for scum d1" is complete personal opinion. If I was in a game, where there was guaranteed no more than 1 cop, no bastard modding, and no fake role PMs were given, and two people claimed cop seriously Day 1, I would be gunning for lynching one of them. If you hit the mafia, you can have a doctor on the real cop, or if you hit the real cop, any interactions the fake one made the day before with other players can be carefully scrutinized to find their partners. Personal preference of play style does not a scum-tell make.

Point 3, I already clarified this.
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Post Post #380 (isolation #38) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:56 pm

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also, before you use me being willing to die tomorrow as a scum-point, remember that you're the one that said townies shouldn't be afraid to die.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #39) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:53 pm

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Ah sorry you're right. That would have been this post where you told us you were scum.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #40) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:43 am

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lol M'kay, lynch me guys, I honestly don't care. If you want to sheep substrike like no other.
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Post Post #400 (isolation #41) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:53 am

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Tovarish wrote:Maruchan- You're at a whopping L-5 and you're already refusing to defend yourself? I'm willing to see the town oblige you.

according to my main attacker, I thought town are supposed to be willing to die?

Isn't that his biggest case against Whiskers? That Whiskers defended herself?

so let me get this straight.

Defending yourself when attacked is scummy
Refusing to defend oneself when attacked is scummy.

How can I possibly react to an attack without being scummy in that scenario?
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Post Post #402 (isolation #42) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:02 am

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Whiskers wrote:
Tovarish wrote:You also think he is dumb. Cool, but unrelated?

On an un-related note I'm actually not dumb. I skipped 6th grade, and I just last month got a perfect score on my Navy ASVAB and am going in as a Nuclear Engineer thanks to my perfect score.

In other words: Not Dumb.

Panacea wrote:Oh dear... Maruchan, that was our scum defense in 1122, when we got Vader mislynched and we actually were like 24 hours from deadline. :?

Oh it was? In that case do you really think I would be stupid enough as scum to use the exact same strategy I used as scum-partners with someone else in the game who is town? (inb4 this gets called a WIFOM like every other statement I made in that game that wasn't a WIFOM)

Panacea wrote:@Whiskers and Maruchan (separately): If you are town, you need to seriously consider that the other is scum. There is definitely buddying going on here. Reading over your posts, you're both too entwined. If you're not scumbuddies, one of you is town. I suppose it's possible that you're both town, but I've never seen that. This is the scum-tactic that has screwed me in town roles every single time: scum wins by manipulating you and gaining allies. Telling you you're town to them, defending you from suspicion, are effective ways to do that.

I am keeping this in mind dw. Like I have said now, I just want to worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Why? I will tell you tomorrow.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #43) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:05 am

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also on an off-note: Playing 3 games at once in order to spend more time playing doesn't work very well when 2 of those three are both in night-phases. On a plus note, this game has picked up its tempo in the past 24 hours so that now I am at least mildly entertained! :D
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Post Post #421 (isolation #44) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:17 pm

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monk wrote:
Noramp wrote:Maruchan is perhaps being anti town and annoying but I'm not sure that he's scum. He's coming off as frustrated new town to me. The whole fight seemed to be between town.
UNVOTE: I'll take Music off of L-1 seeing as it isn't really helping anything as we wait for a replacement.

However, monk's last post comes off as feigning frustration which only scum would have to do.


No it's frustration at what I think he's done which is softclaim some form of PR without actually pointing out which post he did it in got a bit tangled :?
Maruchan, for future reference you shouldn't do that, well I don't like people doing that when there's no reason to.

I don't think I did do that? O.o

For the info: if anyone here thinks I am counterclaim a PR, I am not claiming any role whatsoever. Even if you guys lynch me, I won't claim. Why? I simply don't feel like it. I won't make allusions to being a PR or beign a VT.

Tomorrow however, I will be happy to tell everyone my role 100%, if I live that long.
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Post Post #422 (isolation #45) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:19 pm

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Friend wrote:Maruchan v. Substrike comes off as REALLY town on town.

But the folks egging them on from the sidelines are scummy as hell (looking at you, Tovarish/monk).

Anyways, guys, here are the 5 people that we are possibly going to lynch today, in my order of preference:

MUSICNINJA
PANACEA
TOVARISH
LTP MAFIA
MONK


There's GOT to be 2 scum in that group, maybe 3 if bobsnox is telling the truth. But shit, guys, come on.

Who the fuck do you want to lynch today, and don't say anyone not on that list.

Not Panacea, although I agree with your comment that me and substrike is more likely town on town than him being scum.

I still agree with a musicninja lynch, but if you care to point out by way of wall-of-text why one of them is uber-scummy, I might concede with lynching the scummiest.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #46) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:44 pm

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Friend wrote:
MusicNinja wrote:So far, Whiskers seems the most scummy to me. However, I do NOT like the bandwaggon that is starting to form on him. It's way too early in the day to lynch somebody. We need to give him a good chance to defend himself. Hasty votes lead to loses. We also need to decide what we should do IF we lynch Whiskers and he flips town. Who is the next suspect? What if he flips scum? Who do we think his parters are? As scummy as he seems, we should not hammer whiskers yet. There is still much work to be done today as far as scum hunting.


Telling the town what to do without doing shit about it himself.

"Hey guys, here's the pro-town thing to do! Now go do it!"

MusicNinja wrote:Almost positive you're mafia now.


With no vote. Knew it was going to be a mislynch?

MusicNinja wrote:
Remember, when you're town, you're doing real investigating and making real cases
, but when you're scum, you have to manufacture votes from thin air. Seems like that's what you just did, unless you can make an ACTUAL case against me, other than the fact that I suspected you, so you automatically don't like me.


Yet again.

I'm too lazy to quote the rest of his ISO but there's a huge pattern of "We need evidence to lynch! No votes!" and then NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT HIMSELF.

@Whiskers: You're not on it cause you're town.

About LTP, his one post gives me hella scum vibes and he's lurking which is generally a shitty thing to do as town. Notice he's down there on the list, though.

I'll get back to you on Tova.

I didn't need the list on music, I'm already all for a music lynch! :P
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Early in the game I was trying to not make the mistake of my last replace-in by coming in full power and permanently painting a scum target on my forehead. :P
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Post Post #438 (isolation #48) » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:49 pm

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Friend, I only fight when I'm asked. keep that in mind. I haven't been the tip of the sword leading any of these epic battles. :P
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I know, I was just clarifying that I didn't start it. :P
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Post Post #453 (isolation #50) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:12 am

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Panacea wrote:Also, I don't think it's a great idea to give us your scum list, then tell us to pick only someone from that list. On the bright side, if you flip scum, that list will probably ne revealing. Ever the optimist. :P

Don't be so sure. Remember, as scum buddies I was on your scum list through 99% of Newbie 1122, and you were on mine for awhile. Scum lists given by scum aren't usually very helpful imho. Too easily faked or WIFOMed.

bobsnox wrote:I know who I'm investigating tonight if I live/don't get roleblocked, etc.

In my experience, it is NEVER a good idea to tell the town who you are using your night action on, the night before you use it. I'm not sure if MafiaScum has a mafia role equivalent of a Framer (makes an innocent party look guilty), but if it does, and there just so happens to be a Framer i nthis game? Well now Whiskers is gettin framed tonight.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #51) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:16 am

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odd. My internet likes to auto re-boot like once or twice during the early morning(/late night if you want to call it that) hours also. it always pisses me off.
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Post Post #457 (isolation #52) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:39 am

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Just as a side note, that puts him at L-2.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #53) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:45 am

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And are you going to answer the question she asked you in that post, or do you plan on ignoring them (as per usual), and just responding to his comments about your editing?
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Post Post #460 (isolation #54) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:46 am

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I see the question was directed at noramp, and I am just an idiot.

ignore me. :P
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Post Post #462 (isolation #55) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:30 am

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lol, liek I said, I am just an idiot and should be ignored. The down-sided of not having editable posts.
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Post Post #464 (isolation #56) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:42 am

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ehhh, you can? O.o
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Post Post #472 (isolation #57) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:25 am

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Substrike22 wrote:
Friend wrote:Nobody can edit their posts, and if you somehow can it's a modkillable offense.


I did, (still had mod privs from a previous game) on one post earlier, to fix a typo. Didn't think it would be a big deal, but I noticed they put in a "post edited by" feature, so I figured I'd explain what I did.

If the mod wishes to take issue with it he may discuss it with me, otherwise I'm done talking about it. I'm not planning on editing any other posts given the amount of problems fixing a capital "T" my phone left on the top of the post has caused.

So, back to scumhunting. Why are there
5
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Right, Thats what I have always assumed editing was from, the mod abilities in other games. Because most rulesets have editing as a modkillable offense, so I figured no players got the ability to edit unless you were modding in the same subforum, in which case you still couldn't. Then with Whiskers' comment I felt like I was getting left out or something. :P
Substrike22 wrote:In other words: yes he's scummy but why are we wasting our time on an L-1 Wagon unless we intend to lynch him at this point? He's not here to defend himself.

[sarcasm] Oh didn't you get the memo? We're just wagoning on him till he claims then we planned to hop off. [/sarcasm]

We're all voting him, because we intend to lynch him. So if you want to hammer hammer, but the point of ALL our votes, is we want him lynched
(thats what votes are for right? I could be wrong... Maybe we're electing a Mayor of Townies or something. O.o)
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(thats what votes are for right? I could be wrong... Maybe we're electing a Mayor of Townies or something. O.o)


That seems so much less violent, let's do it. I vote for myself.

I second this motion and this vote
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i un-second that vote and instead change my vote to Panacae. She now has two votes for Mayor of Townies.

How many votes does it take to get elected?
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we;; She's a third of the way there then! (I think)
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So lets say we spend another 2-3 days getting a replacement, then we have like a week till deadline, you think in 1 week someone can go from being scummy to turning around and being townie enough to not get lynched? Unless you have a set of "Substrike's Five Miracle Questions To Cure Scummieness" I don't see this happening.
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He hellhound nice to know I now have an audience! :D -slowly building a fanbase I hope-
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Post Post #485 (isolation #63) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:18 pm

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Whiskers wrote:
Maruchan wrote:So lets say we spend another 2-3 days getting a replacement, then we have like a week till deadline, you think in 1 week someone can go from being scummy to turning around and being townie enough to not get lynched? Unless you have a set of "Substrike's Five Miracle Questions To Cure Scummieness" I don't see this happening.

It's happened before. It's totally possible to go from everypony on one wagon and thinking one player is scum to lynching a formerly radar-bottomed coasting player. One week is a lot of time, that's why every day is THREE weeks long, so that confused newbies can let their ideas and stuff stew.

Interesting that you want to push a lynch. I'd like to have the day over too, but activity has suddenly picked up. If it can KEEP up until a replacement, then I am so down for it.

You make a lot of jokes and stuff, have you done any scumhunting? Though I don't think Iever defended you, I know you did defend me. I'm not sure of your alignment.
Vote: Maruchan
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Now convince me to change it back.

I feel like I have repeated this a lot lately. -.- When someone I see is town is accused of scum, and the accusation isn't REFERENCED to their proof of scum (quoted), then yes I will "defend them" in asking the accuser to prove their accusations rather than just sheepish the accusations. Its like the point I made with substrike. I can say he claimed scum and he told us his partners name all I want, but none of you should BELIEVE me unless I provide proof that he has done so. You should ALL go to his defense and say "Where does he say that?".

Its not that I am trying to rush a lynch, I truly think musicninja is scummy. I think scummy people deserve to be lynched. IE: I think we should lynch this spot. So yes I will be advocating a lynch for him. Thats what I do when I see someone scummy. I advocate to get them lynched. THe reason I don't want to wait for a replacement? I HONESTLY BELIEVE that that slot is scummy, therefore I don't see a possible way for that slot to remove its scummieness. Anyone who thinks a replacement can fix the scummieness, must not believe the slot is scum, in which case why would you want them lynched? And if the spot IS scummy then a replacement coming in for a week won't change that, and it would suck for the replacement to repalce into a game, re-read 485 posts, then immediately get lynched out due to his predecessor's play.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #64) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:13 pm

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uhm yeah... I have it in my wiki as 08 also... O.o
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Post Post #493 (isolation #65) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:32 pm

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bobsnox wrote:
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bobsnox wrote:I know who I'm investigating tonight if I live/don't get roleblocked, etc.

In my experience, it is NEVER a good idea to tell the town who you are using your night action on, the night before you use it. I'm not sure if MafiaScum has a mafia role equivalent of a Framer (makes an innocent party look guilty), but if it does, and there just so happens to be a Framer i nthis game? Well now Whiskers is gettin framed tonight.

Well aware, which is why I didn't use any names.

I don't understand your Whiskers statement though...

Panacea - you asked if I thought I might be quickhammered. I figured there was a good chance.

im kind of busy to go back and check but if I remember correctly you said that right after someone else had made some comment that made it look like they were the butt of your investigation. TO me at the time I remember thinking it seamed obvious who you were going to inv.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #66) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:26 am

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iamausername wrote:
Maruchan


From Post #274: "I didn't want the day to en without anyone having ANY interaction from me." This is a bit of an odd reason to be concerned about the day ending too soon. Maru, why were you specifically concerned about people not interacting with
you
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Wouldn't expect to see Post #279 from scum though, unless bob was his partner. Which I doubt, for above reasons. Townbob means scum know he is speaking the truth, so they'd know no counterclaims would be forthcoming.

From Post #379: "I honestly could care less what you think of me because I think your scum and therefore your opinion of me is completely fabricated to assist you in winning the game."
From Post #422: "I agree with your comment that me and substrike is more likely town on town than him being scum."

What changed your mind, Maru?

Sleep and realizing that we were both kind of hot headed during that whole thing. :P
@your first question, posting/interacting with me thats what I meant. I wanted you guys to have an opinion of me before the day ended, I didn't want the day to end with 1.5 posts from me and a miss-lynch.
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Post Post #500 (isolation #67) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:28 am

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Bub Bidderskins wrote:
iamausername wrote:
Bub Bidderskins


Obvscum, should be lynched right away. Posts are nothing but a bunch of IIoA. Also seems to believe that Friend is a doublevoter, which is interesting.


Oops, that was my bad. What threw me off was that Friend did not
unvote.
In the future, please unvote so I can avoid such mistakes. That goes for everybody.

Also, I'd like to remind everyone of this:


The Rules wrote:1) Votes must be bolded, on a separate line, and in the form of
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From now on, if your vote is not on a seperate line, I will not count it.

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if I wasn't already in the game, I'd offer my services! :P
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Post Post #502 (isolation #68) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:01 am

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Oh hey look I might be out of three of my games in the same week!
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I like hiplop. See if he can come in
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Correction, I said I want to see what his report tomorrow is, not that all suspicion is gone. Js
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Post Post #513 (isolation #71) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:44 am

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Bub Bidderskins wrote:
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@ Mod, how long before you start replacing the two people who haven't confirmed? 96 hours?


I'll go ahead and start the day now. Both crappy and cloudocean have received prods, and will be replaced if they have not posted in 48 hours. I would have done this yesterday, but it just so happened to be my birthday (thanks for the B-day wishes Panacea, by the way).


Day Start!



Vote count 1.0


(13) Not Voting: Panacea, LTP Mafia, crappy, Scumhunter, bobsnox, Substrike22, Noramp, monk, Tovarish, Friend, iamausername, Whiskers, cloudocean

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Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/cus ... 00&p0=1060

1 week till deadline
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Whiskers wrote:
I'm bored.
Usachan, can you make a vote and write up a case on somepony?

Is this applying to me?
Panacea wrote:Except for the lynch-an-inactive-player-because-of-deadline thing and potential tells regarding Whiskers, Maruchan is definitely still posting in a townie manner to me. That is to say his posting style does not fit the bill of that of my former scumbuddy.

Can we still be buddiez wiffout da scum part?
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My thoughts are this: My vote is still on musics. And my vote will stay on Music until someone scummier is found (not likely), music is lynched, or the day ends.
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Post Post #534 (isolation #74) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:31 pm

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What're you up to Friend?
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Sounds fun
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Hikari Link wrote:Caught up. Expect a post from me within two hours, tops. If you anyone was debating going to bed or not, you might want to consider staying up.

I REALLY hate your guts.

I was just refreshing all my 6 pages to check for new posts before I went to bed.

Ah well, I'll watch one more episode of Charmed I guess.
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Oh I love walls. if you do this well, you will become my new best friend. You might like my wall on the second- or third-to-last page in Newbie 1122.
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Post Post #541 (isolation #78) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:44 pm

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interesting tidbit for anyone who is interested:

apparently http://mafiascum.net has slightly larger test than http://www.mafiascum.net.

at least in my browser. Odd
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Post Post #542 (isolation #79) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:57 pm

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Link, do you think your wall will be done within another hour or so? I'd like to be in bed by 4 so I can keep my schedule of waking up at 10 every day.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #80) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:10 pm

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No need to rush it, I would rather wait till morning to see it in its full glory than rush you through it.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #81) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:34 pm

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can't wait. :)

Spoiler it by person.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #82) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:13 pm

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I just completely pulled out all of the stuffing in a small-pillow to the point where I was buried in it, then returned it all back into said pillow while watching S08E05 of Charmed.


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Post Post #551 (isolation #83) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:32 pm

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Just a few comments
First Off: I am forever in love with this dude and am glad he replaced in for LTP. I don't think we could have asked for a better replacement. I totally see why he was nominated for a scummie off of his first game.
Second off to clear some things up:
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: You kind of try to get in well with Panacea and Whiskers the entire time, but as I read you, I sort of just got a town feel. Despite this feeling, it seems like you've done little more than defend Whiskers, soft-claim, and push for a MusicNinja lynch, despite your post count. As a result, your only about null, leaning town for me. Seems like scum would have supported a Whiskers lynch, considering how easy it would have been.

In regard to the soft-claim, I really don't see why you are deciding not just claim in this situation. What about tomorrow makes it so that you have to wait until then to claim? It's looking kind of suspicious to me. But if nothing else, I think it's still reason enough not to lynch you today.

In regards to me not being active enough, that is me trying to test waters. My first game on-site I replaced in and within 2-3 posts I was immediately everyone's Prime Suspect as scum. Because I trying being to actively gung-ho right into it. I decided to try a different approach this game and kinds of go with the flow a little at first.

Hikari Link wrote:
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: From the one game I've played with him, I definitely think he should be more active than this, but he was the Doc then, so he could have been more into it as a result. What I find particularly interesting is that he is in no other games right now, yet is not posting here, even though he's been online just the other day to celebrate the town vctory in the game we were in together. I feel that either he is a bored Vanilla or overwhelmed scum. But given his posts, I'm somehow inclined towards the former. I could totally see him saying the stuff he said town. I mean, the guy did soft-claim Doctor in our last game at the mere mention of the role, so I kind of see him as down for some questionable shit. At the same time, I don't want to rule out the scum possibility though. He's pretty null for me right now and I'd rather wait for his replacement to decide for sure one way or the other.

I think he flaked out of 3-4 games in a row. I believe when I was looking through for games I might want to replace into, I remember seeing his name being replaced multiple times. I think after finishing the one game you apparently played with him. he became kind of disillusioned to the game.
Hikari Link wrote:
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: Well you certainly do use your vote sparingly, don't you? I can't help but think it's a bit suspicious that your only two votes have been on people that have next to no chance to being lynched. At the same time, this is a plus from you, since scum usually try for a mislynch. You've had considerable opportunity to jump on MusicNinja, yet you haven't. This pleases me. Particulary this one.

Still, I could definitely stand to see more of you. You question a lot of people's moves in a good way, but lack of activity and lack of general pressure certainly aren't helping. Having a vote on someone isn't a great deal of pressure isn't a great way to put pressure on people when wagons are forming all around. I'd think your vote would be better-used placed on one of your suspects. I doubt very much we'll see any sort of quickhammering this early on, since it can be kind of suspicious in general and I imagine most wagons won't get higher than L-2 until we can come to a better consensus anyway.

I hope this doesn't cause another shitstorm at me for defending people but I am going to defend her lack of activity.

If you read through, you may have noticed me and Panacea were scumbudies in my first game? It ended roughly the day I replaced into this game, so halfway through the day of this game. About 2-3 days before this Panacea had mentioned in our QT thread (of said DIFFERENT game, js) that she recently got the Win7 Antivirus Virus on her computer and was having trouble getting it fixed, so for the last day of D2 in this game, through all of the 3-day night phase, and for the 2-3 days after the Night Phase, she was inactive, which was a 360 degree turn around from earlier in the game where she was active.

She didn't mention the specifics to you guys here, but I do believe she said something along the lines of having computer problems. I just wanted to clear up that for the span of about a week, she was using nothing but her iPhone (have you ever tried to play multiple-games form a phone? it sucks, I know.). Albeit this doesn't clear her for any other reason you mentioned or any inactivity since or before the virus, but yeah. Just wanted to let you all know the delio here.

Hikari Link wrote:
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: This motherfucker right here seems pretty legit. From his first real post, I was pretty much on board with everything he said. I get the feeling that he thinks very similarly to me. One of my favorite things from him was easily this post, because not long before it, I was thinking "Why the fuck do I think that Substrike is town? He doesn't really do shit, he's just kind of there." His scumhunting seems really solid, which is extremely fitting, give his name.

QFT

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Whiskers and Panacea re both female, I believe the rest of us are male.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #84) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:47 pm

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Substrike either doesn't read the fine print or fills the need to be overtly antagonistic.
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Post Post #555 (isolation #85) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:53 pm

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EBWOP feels* I KNEW that sounded off when I typed it!
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Post Post #558 (isolation #86) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:56 pm

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He dislikes being called Hikari. Link, HL or Hikari Link are preferred, and he likes Link the best
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Post Post #559 (isolation #87) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:58 pm

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(any post in the past ten minutes has had nothing to do with the game content itself, and should not be taken as such, I was commenting on the use of his name, not o nthe validity of the Whiskers Read.)
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Post Post #561 (isolation #88) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:13 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Hikari Link wrote:
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:First off, are you a fucking dude or a chick?

Whiskers and Panacea re both female, I believe the rest of us are male.
Are you sure of this?

How many guys do you know that watch My Little Pony and call themselves female?
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Post Post #563 (isolation #89) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:21 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Hikari Link wrote:
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:First off, are you a fucking dude or a chick?

Whiskers and Panacea re both female, I believe the rest of us are male.
Are you sure of this?

How many guys do you know that watch My Little Pony and call themselves female?

I'd wager more guys than girls watch My Little Pony, myself included. But that's why I asked if you were sure. If she has indeed referred to herself as a female, I won't argue the point.

(there is a spot under your avatar that says Gender: [insert option A or option B here])
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Post Post #565 (isolation #90) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:29 pm

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uh....
Ah...

I could've sworn that said female a week ago........


Whiskers are you a chick or a dude? O.o
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Post Post #573 (isolation #91) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:31 am

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I figured I was usachan. :P

I would make a case, but my case would be on MusicNinja. and I think that THAT boat has been played enough already. I don't think I can squeeze anything out of his few posts that haven't already been said.

Also I think the lack of a replacement from musicninja's spot has SOMETHING to do with the fact that A: its so much catch-up to read, and B: even if they do read it and replace in musicninja is the prime scum suspect of many players, so it is disillusioning to join a game just to be lynched, causing prospective joinees to not want to replace him.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #92) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:32 am

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EBWOP:

@ Pan, QFT means Qooted For Truth. ;) I keep the commonly used terms page open 24/7 just for when I see terms I don't recognize.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #93) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:51 pm

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Panacea wrote:
Whiskers wrote:It's the scummiest, but give him the week and I bet he'll win you over, or that you're scum.

Considering that every player who "wins me over," including Maruchan in our last game has the fascinatingly consistent proclivity for flipping scum, I'll let you know. :lol:

Why would Friend be NK'd, in your opinion? He has at least faced a modicum of suspicion.

I actually won you over to thinking I could have been a townie (if you hadn't known I was scum)? Cool. I didn't realize that. :P
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Post Post #594 (isolation #94) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:50 pm

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no problem Link, we all have wacky sleep schedules. :P
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Post Post #597 (isolation #95) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:07 pm

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Maruchan wrote:no problem Link, we all have wacky sleep schedules. :P

None is wacky as yours. :P

of course not. I am unique after all.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #96) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:11 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:What I find particularly interesting is that he is in no other games right now, yet is not posting here, even though he's been online just the other day to celebrate the town vctory in the game we were in together.
But Maruchan says later that he's flaked. So he's posting here on MS, just not any games?
He has made just the one post that I linked. Look here. So unless he has been replacing into a lot of games via PM and only ever bothered to post in this one thread (which seems fairly unlikely), then Maruchan is either mistaken or lying. And considering how easy it is to check the information, I'd wager the former.

Thats the point. That is the ONLY posy he has made in over a week, and before it the only posts he has made since this game STARTED, are in this game
[qupte="Hikari Link"]
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Hikari Link wrote:And since you are (apparently) a PR, I can imagine why you'd want to not get yourself lynched.
That's the second time you've mentioned this, when we were lucky enough that no one appeared to mention it when it actually happened. I don't feel that this is good town play.

That's not completely true. His soft-claim was mentioned several times. And I can assure you, any scum worth his salt out there likely picked up on it the first time, if not the next few times it was slapped in our faces. He hasn't exactly been subtle about it. Better we get it out in the open so that he can be better protected tonight if he is essential.[/quote]
I honestly still have no idea what you guys are talking about

Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:I would make a case, but my case would be on MusicNinja. and I think that THAT boat has been played enough already. I don't think I can squeeze anything out of his few posts that haven't already been said.

Do you have nobody else you can make a case against? If not, look at those that I or another have made cases against. ISO them and check the evidence. See if our claims hold up. Don't be afraid to double-check another person's work. You never know when you might be dealing with scum or if someone is mistaken on an issue.

There are other people that have cases that can be made against them. But I want musicninja lynched today.



Hikari Link wrote:In reality, I just really wish you guys hadn't believed in me so hard, not that I hold it against you, because I have to claim cop right now. I was really hoping I could hold off on it for a while, but I'm just too damn good at coming off town and while there is next to no chance of me being lynched today, I can't take the chance that I will get killed during the night. The truth is I basically jumped out of my seat the moment bobsnox claimed cop. While I admit that there could be two Cops, I'm very much willing to bet otherwise.

I really wanted to save my claim until tomorrow to see if we got a fake read from bobsnox so that we'd have another confirmed townie, but there are just too many factors that could make that gambit useless. I could die during the night and you might immediately call for his blood, or worse, you could keep him alive on the off-chance that he is a Cop. You guys could call bullshit tomorrow under the belief that I should have claimed today. He could claim he got roleblocked, making my wait useless. There could be a Framer and he could be a real fucking Cop. Or any number of other things.

It's far less risky to claim now and hope I can garner some sort of protection from a Doc or Jailkeeper or someone. Even if I get roleblocked, I can assure you I'm still extremely useful to have around alive. Not to toot my own horn, but I am rather good at scumhunting, considering all of my experience until now has come as a vanilla townie. That plus I'm gambling that even if we don't have a Doctor/Jailkeeper/etc, the Mafia won't target me for fear of one. And in the worst case scenario that they do, it's still a Cop for scum trade, which I'll fucking take any day of the week.
UNVOTE: Substrike22, VOTE: bobsnox

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I thought I said if there is a cop out there, to not CC bob. Also, I love the way this is done. "Hey everyone I know you all love me and trust me but you really shouldn't!!!! Oh by the way since you all adore me I'm the Cop. Lets kill bob."

Too opportunistic for my likings. Yes I like Link, yes I think that his wall was amazing and am glad he did it rather than just to lurk. No I don't think this makes him obvtown. It makes him a good player. Good player =/= obvtown.
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Post Post #605 (isolation #97) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:13 pm

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damn i miss spelled quote.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #98) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:21 pm

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... saying I would be willing to claim tomorrow is softclaiming?

good to know for future reference.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #99) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:24 pm

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Oh and, as I said earlier, I won't make any confirmations either way on what my role is. WHy?

if I AM a (insert role you want to believe I am here) I don't want to confirm it, because I am then in danger.
if I am NOT a (insert role you want to believe I am here) I don't want to deny it because while it is still a possibility the scum have to decide tonight whether or not I am worth their attention in either rolecoping, roleblocking, or killing. Which would save a REAL (insert role you want to believe I am here) from being rolecopped, roleblocked, or killed.

So on that note I will commence promptly ignoring any hypothesizing on the topic of my role PM.
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Post Post #610 (isolation #100) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:39 pm

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Whiskers wrote:So, that was a softclaim for VT?

No, I understand WHY. Just, making the softclaim in the first place makes us (me) curious. Besides, you said you'd reveal it tomorrow, assuming you're still alive.

When I said I would I meant like along the liens if its required/asked and I feel the situation warrants it. I won't just go at the beginning of the day "I'm a -censored-"


And I didn't realize I was softclaiming sorry. The first time that is. I totally see how my last post could be taken as a VT softclaim, but like I said. I'm not going to discuss my role in case of either scenario.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #101) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:02 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:What does that have to do with you claiming he flaked in other games?

Looks like I was wrong sorry. I could have SWORN I saw his name in 2 other games when I was looking for games to replace into.

Hikari Link wrote:Hardly. What I said was "Way to fucking paint a target on my back for the night kill guys." Who are scum going to target? bobsnox? No. He's probably scum and even if he isn't, any existing Doc would likely target him. Maruchan? Possible, but I have some reasons I'd rather not put out there just in case they are true. Hikari Link? *dingdingdngfuckingding* We have a winner. Not a claimed PR and very little suspicion on him? He's an excellent fucking target. The only other targets I can see are iamusername and Scumhunter.

Good point. Sorry, I didn't look at it that way. You can ask Panacea for confirmation, but when I do night kills I usually don't kill people based on how townie they are. I usually do kills that incriminate someone else, or that are unlikely to have any chance of having a doctor or jailkeeper on them.

Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:Yes I like Link, yes I think that his wall was amazing and am glad he did it rather than just to lurk. No I don't think this makes him obvtown. It makes him a good player. Good player =/= obvtown.
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Agreed. But it's certainly not a chance worth taking that the scum take it that way. You know what's bad? The fucking cop getting night-killed Night 1.[/quote]
Wanna know whats worse? Mis-Lynching the Cop D1 before they have a chance to claim (giggles at Panacea) (I'm srs loling irl right now at this).
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Post Post #616 (isolation #102) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:19 pm

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He's right. any cops in this game will be sane.
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Post Post #630 (isolation #103) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:08 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Hikari Link wrote:Hardly. What I said was "Way to fucking paint a target on my back for the night kill guys." Who are scum going to target? bobsnox? No. He's probably scum and even if he isn't, any existing Doc would likely target him. Maruchan? Possible, but I have some reasons I'd rather not put out there just in case they are true. Hikari Link? *dingdingdngfuckingding* We have a winner. Not a claimed PR and very little suspicion on him? He's an excellent fucking target. The only other targets I can see are iamusername and Scumhunter.

Good point. Sorry, I didn't look at it that way. You can ask Panacea for confirmation, but when I do night kills I usually don't kill people based on how townie they are. I usually do kills that incriminate someone else, or that are unlikely to have any chance of having a doctor or jailkeeper on them.

As far as I'm concerned, only bad town fall for the former because only bad Mafia make kills that incriminate themselves. It's too WIFOM to consider that kind of kill as a tell either way, so best to just look at the content of a player's actions. And the unclaimed, I would have fallen in the latter half too an extent. But it's far better to keep alive people that other people are suspicious of rather than killing one at random. When there are multiple relatively unsuspected people and a claimed Cop, scum have very good chances of hitting any one of those and it is generally worth the gamble to try for one of them and then push for a mislynch during the day. At least, that's my take on optimal scum play.

Yeah I also like to keep the "obvtown" alive sometiems because then some players will begin going "If we all are so sure he is town, why hasn't he died yet". And I have plenty of experience of Experienced Players falling for the "He died because he suspected sometime who was scum" WIFOM trap. (See: Al Town Players, Game 1122)
Hikari Link wrote:
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Hikari Link wrote:Agreed. But it's certainly not a chance worth taking that the scum take it that way. You know what's bad? The fucking cop getting night-killed Night 1.

Wanna know whats worse? Mis-Lynching the Cop D1 before they have a chance to claim (giggles at Panacea) (I'm srs loling irl right now at this).
Yes, that is worse. But that isn't the case here. I assume this is a reference to your last game, no?

-nods and points at 1122 also-
Hikari Link wrote:Really? That's certainly good to know.

Yup really. :)
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Post Post #676 (isolation #104) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:56 pm

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Bub Bidderskins wrote:

"Where's Scumhunter?"

The town erupts into chaos. People run ever which way screaming at the top of their lungs. Chaos reigns as the pews are turned on end and the stain-glass windows are shattered. Then, a calm voice penetrates the madness.

"I was just in the bathroom!"

Everyone stops in their tracks, and all eyes slowly gaze over towards Scumhunter.

oops[/i]

Nobody died Night One

Are we able to take this flavor to mean Scumhunter was targeted for ANY kill (whether town-sided or scum-sided), and wasn't killed, or did you chose a random name? rlly imprtnt qeston!

Whiskers wrote:So, I'm totally happy with a substrike22 lynch, (in the first few hours of Day 2. Sppedlynching is cruise control for cool!) but why is he scum?

So you're totally OK with lynching some guy for being scum. But wait, why is he scum again?

-.-
Scumhunter wrote:http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3328390

^My feelings on substrike. Not much has happened to change that sentiment.
Linked Post wrote:Null/Probably a scum in here: iamausername/Maruchan
First Post After Daybreak by Substrike22 wrote:In other news I just realized that iamausername is obv town. Not really sure what took me so long to realize it.

Should I be worried here?

Whiskers wrote:No really, wouldn't it be cool if we lynched in the first few hours?

Whiskers, you've jumped the train tracks on your alignment overnight it seems.
Panacea wrote:Sorry, guys, but V/LA from now until either tomorrow night or Thursday morning. I'm moving into my apartment halfway across the state all tomorrow, and packing and unpacking might interfere. I'll try to post if I can. :)

See you soon!
Whiskers wrote:However, we have fallen deeply into love with Link and the Mafia knows that.

This reminds me!
@Link
Report?
xvart wrote:Hello everyone. Happy hunting. I still got a couple of pages from D1 to read but I should have everything posted by early tomorrow

VOTE: MusicNinja's Replacement

Convince me that your predecessor sucked at playing and that his sucky playing is not conducive of YOUR role. Until you do, You can have some added pressure from me.
(in other words: SQUIRM SCUM SQUIRM!!!!)
Substrike22 wrote:Whiskers is striking me more and more as a town member who I just managed to make hate me, and thus she seems hell bent on lynching me. Which is fine and understandable but I wish she'd reconsider. I think if there's scum just jumping on the wagon at this point it's one of the other two. I stand by my initial statement that Maruchan is probably scum but even then I'm not really sure anymore.

1. This could be partner bussing partner. I'm not to sure as to his OR Whisker's alignment at this point (TBCH, I don't remember a WHOLE LOT from this game. I have joined 3 games since the night phase began, learned of the epic joys of Dwarf Fortress, got the shit beet out of me in a Newbie Game, and found out I am playing 3 games with Link. SO I have to differentiate my tells between the three games. Great.)
2. I am glad I am no longer "obvscum" in your mind, and am now just leaning scum. If you wouldn't mind, what changed your mind. I love the less scummy spiel from you, but that could be AtE, so I am wary.
Substrike22 wrote:I'll just claim VT and Resident VI at this point and go from there. I no longer have any real conviction on who is scum in this game.

No offense, I don't 100% believe the first claim. but I believe the second claim 110%. Why? You claiming VT if you ARE VT, just told scum you stay alive at all costs. you are a major scum suspect of many, and you are confirmed non-pr. This is very pro-scum. If You are a VT, you just put every non-VT townie in THAT MUCH more danger.
Friend wrote:Looking forward to xvart's catchup post. MusicNinja was scummy as hell and I'm not willing to let that slide until xvart talks.

Anyways, Substrike's last post feels like a post I would make as frustrated town.

QFT.


ANYWAYS, @ everyone who was moping about my "I won't claim today but if you ask me to, tomorrow I will", would you like me to? I don't plan on claiming just for shits and giggles. but if you all still want me to, I am not opposed. And if I do claim I might bring some interesting news to the table.

Fixed.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #105) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:57 pm

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@Mod, can you add the ] to the end of the panacea quote for me?


Certainly.
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Post Post #680 (isolation #106) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:29 pm

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iamausername wrote:the fact that Link has a result would obviously suggest that scum don't have a roleblocker, which means they almost certainly have some other means of combating a cop, most likely either a Godfather or a Framer

Where did he say he had a result? O.o Did I miss it?
&Don't rule out that the mafia aren't the BRIGHTEST and tried to kill him rather than silence him, and so expected him to die, therefore not wasting the roleblock on him.

Don't ever rule out a possibility.

iamausername wrote:The fact that Link is alive to share this with us probably means either doc protection, or, better yet, town blocker blocking the scum kill.

I was wondering if I was the only person who thought the second was a possibility. Everyone else so far has been praising a doc save, when I was curious WHICH happened. Only problem is, if BOTH, the scenario I mentioned about Link's result AND the town-blocker are true, you just told (not-quite-smart) Mafia that it is possible that they only need to chose a new person to attack Link tonight.
Let me phrase that better:

If the mafia have a roleblocker and expected to kill Link, therefore not roleblocking him, this means they might not be the brightest.
If the save was a TOWN roleblocker and not a doc, and nobody mentioned the first possibility, and scum WEREN'T the brightest, they may not have realized this.
If both A and B above are true, you just helped the mafia by telling them that in order to kill Link, all they might have to do is change who is the killer tonight.
iamausername wrote:Though I need to do some rereading in light of bob's flip.

I should probably do the same, that is smart advice. I'll get to that in a bit.
Whiskers wrote:Anyway, if you want to read some VI play, Meet THIS gamehttp://www.myth-weavers.com/showthread.php?t=141374 it'll either make you laugh or give you a headache.

That Website wrote:Active Members: 5,328

I might have to join there later for the mafia games.
Whiskers wrote:Also, Maruchan, I would LOVE to have you claim, but lets wait for a dramatic reveal (ie, when activity lulls).

Oh I think it will be quite dramatic, whether there is a lull or not.
Whiskers wrote:Man, I will spend ALL of my time in "special games" if I can.

I LIKE NEW INVENTIVE ROLES, WHERE ARE THESE "Special Games" OF WHICH YOU SPEAK?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Post Post #682 (isolation #107) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:41 pm

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@Friend that is rather ironic. XD
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Post Post #685 (isolation #108) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:31 pm

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iamausername wrote:
Maruchan wrote:Where did he say he had a result? O.o Did I miss it?


Hikari Link wrote:Monk is clean.

Oh, I didn't see that. Thanks.

Whiskers wrote:Maruchan, If both A & B are true, then they definitely will need to choose new player to perform the nightkill, since the Town roleblocker would come out and claim and we would lynch the scum she blocked.

Yes thats my point. I was saying they might not have readied there COULD be a town-roleblocker, and therefore tried to use the same mafia to get the n2 kill.

@Musicninja's replacement, I would really like to see some content from you.
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Post Post #688 (isolation #109) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:53 pm

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Yes thats my point. I was saying they might not have readied there COULD be a town-roleblocker, and therefore tried to use the same mafia to get the n2 kill.
No. If there IS a town roleblocker, then they could not choose the same scum to do the NK, even if they wanted to. That Scum would be dead. Dead scum cannot do Nightkills.

If there is NOT a roleblocker, then we don't give a shit if they use the same one each night, do we?

Scum will be dead if said possible roleblocker claims. He/She could be an idiot and not claim, if of course there is one. Causing said blocked scum to be alive with mafia realizing they shouldn't use the same person.
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Post Post #689 (isolation #110) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:54 pm

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Bub: Are you the kind of Mod who would throw in a "Gondolier"-flavoured role?


Wait, do they even have Gondolas in Sicily?

I'm just looking for a yes or no, and I understand that it may or may not have nothing to do with this particular game.

What do you mean by gondolier flavored role?
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Post Post #691 (isolation #111) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:45 pm

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Very intuitive! However, you're right. I don't think Sicily has Gondolas.

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Post Post #692 (isolation #112) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:45 pm

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(Hi Friend & Panacea. -wave-)
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Post Post #696 (isolation #113) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:38 am

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Substrike22 wrote:@ Maruchan, what does my claiming VT have anything to do with hurting town? I haven't claimed PR except for that minor spiel at the beginning and if people are finding me scummy, might as well throw the VT claim out there? Also what changed my mind was I was tunneling the shit out of Whiskers yesterday and when we got into it I decided I didn't (and based on your above post, really still don't, cause I think you're kind of a dick) like you. Me not liking you doesn't make you obv. scum. However I stand by my claims that you came in and tried to find friends really fast, which I tend to see out of scum. It is what it is. As I said most of my reads from yesterday went to shit when Bobs flipped scum so now I'm kind of floating up shit creak right now without any paddles. So... yeah.

Because claiming VT tells scum that you are in fact NOT a PR, so now they won't target you. That makes it more dangerous for our real PRs.
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Post Post #698 (isolation #114) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:23 am

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Whiskers, I know it isn't terribad, but it something that is slightly bad, which is why I said "I don't know if I believe your VT claim, but definitely the VI one"
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Post Post #701 (isolation #115) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:24 am

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Scumhunter before you "look in-depth at me", wait for a rather important post I plan to make. When do I plan to make this said post? As soon as I see something from the MusicNinja Replacement.


@MusicNinja's Replacement:
Hi, I know you recently replaced in and are probably busy re-reading, but a few questions:
1. Why are you not scum?
2. If you aren't scum why did your predecessor play so scumily?
3. Who would you say is scum?

After you answer these, and I see you POST, I will claim my role, and ask you one more question. But first I want to know you're here and paying attention before I do this all willy nilly, because I want nobody else to say anything between the time I claim and ask you the question, and the time you answer it.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #116) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:25 am

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Whiskers wrote:hiplop: I don't fully believe Substrike22's VI claim, either. I'll read up on some of his past games maybe. Also, one bad move or one mistake does not make a player a VI, like you suggest/imply.

No, but he was claiming VI, so I was willing to agree with him, when in claiming VI he shows off a rather VI move.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #117) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:29 am

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-cough- There is no Hiplop in this game. hehe.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #118) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:16 am

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This is by far the game I am most interested in, and it was moving fairly quickly pre-night, but now it seems to have tapered off. :(

Speaking of which,
@Mod: Did Tovarish pick up his Day 2 PM yet? he didn't post for 50 hours before the night started. & Has Monk picked it up yet?
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Post Post #707 (isolation #119) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:26 am

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Oh I love the walls, and all I was hoping to get out of those questions was an indication that you were alive. If I were to ask you a question shortly after your next post, would yo ube able to answer it before the night is over?
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Post Post #709 (isolation #120) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:47 pm

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Ahh, welcome Monk. Nice to see your ugly mug back here again. And congrats on being the godfather/confirmed townie!
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Post Post #712 (isolation #121) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:35 pm

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Whiskers it'll be useful today. I just need xvart here in-thread in order to claim.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #122) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:49 pm

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Link, you'll see once xvart gets in here. Patience is a virtue my friend.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #123) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:01 pm

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I'm PRETTY sure I've got this.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #124) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:08 pm

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M'Kay, if he says he will be back in 30 minutes, and I can count on him readign the thread and replyign to it then I think I will shoot.

I just ask that NOBODY but him talk until he answers. Yes I realize I am not God, and am therefore not your boss, But I am asking that you don't. Please. ♥

@Xvart. I am a Town 1-shot tracker, and I chose you last night. Care to tell me why you weren't at home?
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Post Post #720 (isolation #125) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:10 pm

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(At this point I will end up refreshing the thread every 30 seconds due to anticipation, so I am going to go watch 1 40 minute episode of Charmed and hope he has replied by then.)
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Post Post #722 (isolation #126) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:50 pm

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Yes, but I won't reveal who until he answers, which should be soon
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Post Post #725 (isolation #127) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:07 pm

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So then he claims vig/scum?

In which case, I am sorry for deceiving you all folks, but please go read the first letters of my ISO posts #52-57, or game posts 457-472 for my real role.

I am a town jailer, and I jailed xvart, IE: jailed the scum preventing a kill last night.

(I asked the mod during the night phase, after I placed the breadcrumb, and he says this is a perfectly acceptable form of breadcrumbing)

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Post Post #726 (isolation #128) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:09 pm

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(I was planning on jailing bobsnox then asking him for his report then outting myself as the jailer, but you all ruined that by lynching the scum first! >:( )
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Post Post #730 (isolation #129) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:21 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:Hmm, fucked up my unvote tag... This should go without saying, but don't get him higher than L-2 until we've all discussed it and deermined our top 2 scum reads. From there, we can have Maruchan randomly choose one of the two to jail tonight and try to stop a kill. By the way, in case there is a Doc, he should probably decide between Maruchan and I which is the better to have around, since one of us is likely to die tonight.

What this awesome dude said.

And I take it you approve of my claim?
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Post Post #732 (isolation #130) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:23 pm

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In case anyone is curious why I didn't just claim to have jailed him off the bat, I don't want him to have a scapegoat of "I'm a blue the kill must have been doc saved".

I wanted him to THINK I knew he visited someone last night, then admit to HAVING visited someone (by way of saying he was a doc or saying he was scum, either or. I honestly thought he'd claim doc), before I told him he actually visited nobody.
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Post Post #735 (isolation #131) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:27 pm

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W S C H W S T T A H P

I am going to attempt another form of bread-crumbing I saw someone else do in another game I recently read part of.

Ignore those letters, they will be explained at a later date.
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Post Post #739 (isolation #132) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:41 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:Maruchan, in terms of importance to the town, between you and I, who would you say is more important?

if we can confirm who we think the town-budies are I think we need to tell the doc to go randomly at us, and you investigate one and I roleblock one, if we hit the same one great, if not great. Either we'll double confirm a guilty, single confirm a guilty, or nothing useful happens.

If we DON'T decide who the obv scum are, I think you are much more important than I am.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #133) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:41 pm

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Whiskers wrote:Maruchan, it's important to jail townies, right? That way, if you Jailkeep a townie and ther is a nightkill, you've got a confirmed townie (assuming 3 scum).

Okay. let me put it this way. If
I
were Maruchan, I'd jailkeep a player who I thought WAS town, but not a powerrole. If I were Hikari Link, I'd Cop Tovarish. If I were a doc, I'd protect Hikari Link.

No. If 2 scum left, I could be jailing useless-scum while useful-scum kills.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #134) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:42 pm

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Post Post #750 (isolation #135) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:56 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:It seems almost too convenient that things should happen this way.

You mean, it seams almost too convenient that I would jail the person I spend all of day one saying I want lynched because I think he is scum, and end up finding scum? I don't see convenience in this just saying. I see a logical process that leads to scum.

however once I actually read your plan, I am sure I will be okay with it, even though it will probably waste a night for town.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #136) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:58 pm

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Noramp wrote:UNVOTE: just in case
VOTE: Xvart feel kinda bad for xvart :/

I TOLD you we should of lynched MusicNinja rather than wait for a replacement, just so they can come in for five minutes.
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Post Post #753 (isolation #137) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:01 pm

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Whiskers wrote:Okaaaay... then, how do wefigure out what is most likely-- how can we figure out how many scum there are? ;____;

Considering a Mini should have a fairly standard setup (it IS "Normal," after all), what do we go by? 1/4? 1/3? Is it too early to speculate scumteams (with 2 out of possibly four caught)?

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What if YOU are scum? You have us all pretty much convinced, but so does Maruchan.

How about the Doc protects Maruchan, Maruchan Jailkeeps you, then YOU investigate somepony else. That way, if YOU get killed, we know Maruchan is scum, if MARUCHAN gets killed, we know there is no Doc, and if there is no kill, then everypony did their jobs.

Also, how about a Maruchan/Hikari Link scumteam? You two are the most greatest posters, both power roles, both outting scum on your first shots and both apparently brilliant. And now bussing.

So you're saying that:
1. There is no cop in this setup
2. If there IS a cop, this cop was an idiot and did not CC when there were two claimed cops.
3. Hikari Link bussed his cop-claiming mafia bud by claiming cop, with no planning whatsoever (as he replaced in)
4. Hikari Link is going to plan a DOUBLE bus, effectively screwing all chances of the mafia winning
5. Hikari Link will risk the question of "How are you still alive?" 6 days from now, when the doctor dies 3 days from now (since scum will survive, with or without doctor protection)
6. All of this was thought up by someone who replaced-in, so therefore had no way to plan to bus bob, and had to way to plan my breadcrumbing of jailer?


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Post Post #757 (isolation #138) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:10 pm

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xvart wrote:Well shit. That was not what I expected to happen. It is true, I didn't go anywhere last night but I don't have an ability to use, either. Needless to say I didn't see how the game was balanced with a cop, doctor (or protective variant), plus a one shot tracker; so I tried to fish out a reaction from him since I didn't believe the claim for a second. I do have to wonder though about someone so willing to claim a role and apparently fluent in breadcrumbing to desire to reveal results when he could have easily breadcrumbed results and still lived to be of benefit to the town.

I still need to process this some more but one of two things is now apparent:
  1. Maruchan is either fake claiming scum who no killed last night to make his claim believable while still not being tied to the claim when I flip town; or,
  2. I was the NK target last night.

I am not actually fluent in bread-crumbing. I was browsing the site. clicking links in people's signature, as i do when I get bored, whe nI stumbled across [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3029436]THIS[/utl] topic (I've linked you to a specific post, but the lin kwas to the topic in general)

I then read the replies, and saw Vi mention HIS guide, so I clicked the link in his signature, which takes me to his wiki guide. Near the bottom of his wiki guide, he mentioned this exact form of bread-crumbing I used, and I started using it with my next post.

As for my second breadcrumb this is what it stood for: "When Someone Claims He Was Scum Target They Are His Partner"
Why? You were the top scum suspect of almost EVERY player here. Why would the scum target their best mis-lynch?
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Post Post #758 (isolation #139) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:12 pm

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Whiskers wrote:Sorry, [EBWOP]:
Except for 6, where your breadcrumbing had nothing to do with
him
. Regardless of your alignments, you still could have done that.

Yeah, okay. Real cop WOULD have Cced at that point.

yes but he couldn't have replied it

as for your post asking for my vote count analysis, when I came back 5 minutes later to start it, yo uall had taking a energy pill towards activity, so I have been busy replying to posts rather than counting
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Post Post #761 (isolation #140) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:16 pm

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Whiskers wrote:Holy fuck, son. I apparently need to read that guide all the way through. I got a little ways in and got bored, but if it makes you play like this.
Holy fuck.

:) I usually try to out-think myself. usually this leads to bad-results. I think in the case of this game it led to good results however. ^_^
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Post Post #763 (isolation #141) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:22 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:It's possible, that one of these things happened, yes. Or another thing you haven't listed.

No, what worries me is the willingness with which xvart went along with it. And how conveniently you just happened to get the right guy. If he's scum, why would they send him out when he's a pretty high read for many? If he were town, why would scum target him? Either way it doesn't add up to well. But if you were Godfather, I'd never find out and you'd have little reason not to plan this whole charade out, considering how likely MusicNinja was to get discovered anyway. And by bussing him, you'd get major town cred.

Also, what does that breadcrumb even mean?

Whiskers, this is where that me out thinking myself leads to bad-results I just mentioned.

Anyways, Link brings up some really good points. However, all of his points revolve around the "my bussing him".

Which is a viable strategy, but still means he is scum. In which case we do Whisker's plan. I jail you, you investigate a random, and the doctor (if any) is on me. If I die, no doctor. If you die, I am scum (yes, this option sucks for you Link, but this is a fair trade-off for the town. 3 scum for 1 cop). If neither of us die, then I am confirmed, and you're still likely-town.
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Post Post #766 (isolation #142) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:23 pm

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oh, I forgot to answer your question about the breadcrumb. Which one, and elaborate he question better?
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Post Post #768 (isolation #143) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:23 pm

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Friend wrote:Awesome. We nailed xvart.

Why isn't he dead yet?

Friend for plausible scum-partner?

He isn't dead yet because we need to plan what we are doing tonight before we kill him.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #144) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:25 pm

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Bub Bidderskins wrote:
Vote count 2.1


(4) Xvart: Maruchan, Friend, Hiraki Link, Noramp [L-3]


(1) Tovarish: iamausername [L-6]

(1) monk: Whiskers [L-6]

(6) Not voting: Panacea, xvart, Scumhunter, Substrike22, monk, Tovarish

With
12
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Day Two Deadline

I believe whiskers unvoted and revoted xvart


If so, UNVOTE:

I don't want him to hammer himself to keep the town from planning.
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Post Post #771 (isolation #145) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:28 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Hikari Link wrote:It's possible, that one of these things happened, yes. Or another thing you haven't listed.

No, what worries me is the willingness with which xvart went along with it. And how conveniently you just happened to get the right guy. If he's scum, why would they send him out when he's a pretty high read for many? If he were town, why would scum target him? Either way it doesn't add up to well. But if you were Godfather, I'd never find out and you'd have little reason not to plan this whole charade out, considering how likely MusicNinja was to get discovered anyway. And by bussing him, you'd get major town cred.

Also, what does that breadcrumb even mean?

Whiskers, this is where that me out thinking myself leads to bad-results I just mentioned.

Anyways, Link brings up some really good points. However, all of his points revolve around the "my bussing him".

Which is a viable strategy, but still means he is scum. In which case we do Whisker's plan. I jail you, you investigate a random, and the doctor (if any) is on me. If I die, no doctor. If you die, I am scum (yes, this option sucks for you Link, but this is a fair trade-off for the town. 3 scum for 1 cop). If neither of us die, then I am confirmed, and you're still likely-town.

Wait, explain the part where the logical step is that we use Whiskers plan because you are bussing xvart?

Everything that has been proposed so far is that one of the following is true A: I'm legit, B: I am bussing, C: xvart is town who was idiot and actually claimed to be trying to kill me when he thinks I caught him, then backtracks when he finds out it was a lie.

I think C is highly unlikely because, A: Why would he do that? B: his predecessor was scummy as hell (hence the night action) C: his biggest defense is that he was scum-target? (lolno)

In which case Whisker's strategy is the best plan, because we then lynch scum, and we guarantee that I am not bussing my partner, or we do a tradeoff, scum for jailer.
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Or we lose a cop, and find out I am scum, and we get rid of THREE scum.
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Post Post #780 (isolation #147) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:28 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
I'm trying to find the part where it's preferable that I die rather than you. My way, if you are scum, we get three scum and we keep our Cop and if you are town, we keep our cop. On the other hand, with your plan, If you are town, you most likely die unless there is a Doc, which I find unlikely if you are Jailkeeper, though if he exists admittedly we keep both PRs. If you are scum, however, we lose our cop because I die for sure. So to chart this out:

Link Plan

scumMaruchan: Keep cop, gain a report (possibility of Godfather lynch)
townMaruchan: Lose JK, no report

Whiskers Plan

scumMaruchan: Lose cop, no JK, no report
townMaruchan: Lose JK, no report (possibility keep both)

Link Plan

scumMaruchan-townLink(withDoc): Keep cop, gain a report
scumMaruchan-townLink(withoutDoc):Lose cop, lynch maruchan scum, gain a report
scumMaruchan-scumLink(withDoc): lol town is fucked up the ass
scumMaruchan-scumLink(withoutDoc): lol town is even more fucked up the ass
townMaruchan-townLink(withDoc): Kep cop, keep JK, no report.
townMaruchan-townLink(withoutDoc): Lose JK, no report
townMaruchan-scumLink(withDoc): no report, LIKELY no kill, same situation as today with 1 less scum
townMaruchan-scumLink(withoutDoc): likely no kill, same situation as today with 1 less scum

Whiskers Plan

scumMaruchan-townLink(withDoc): Lose Cop, lynch maruchan scum
scumMaruchan-townLink(withoutDoc): Lose cop, lynch maruchan scum
scumMaruchan-scumLink(withDoc): lol town is fucked up the ass
scumMaruchan-scumLink(withoutDoc): lol town is even more fucked up the ass
townMaruchan-townLink(withDoc): nobody/random dies, confirmed clear (me), keep cop
townMaruchan-townLink(withoutDoc): JK dead, or random dead, IF JK ALIVE: confirmed clear, no report
townMaruchan-scumLink(withDoc): no report, LIKELY no kill, same situation as today with 1 less scum
townMaruchan-scumLink(withoutDoc): likely no kill, same situation as today with 1 less scum


Meh I guess you're right they are relatively similar. The only difference is Whiskers plan gives us AN option of 1 cleared (banking on you and me both being town, which I think is the most likely scenario), and possible dead cop. Your plan gives us NO clears, and has no risk of losing cop.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #148) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:35 pm

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xvart wrote:I meant you were fluent in breadcrumbing because you had apparently been doing it this game and were so eager to point it out. That brings up another good question as to why you were so eager to claim today when you have an unlimited shot town power role. Why did you only want to catch one scum yesterday with your plotting to get bobsnox? You would have outted yourself and could have pushed his lynch another way unless you weren't afraid of dying at all.

There are two types of mafia players. A: Those who dislike a 1-for-1 town for mafia trade, and B: those who like a 1-for-1 town for mafia trade.
Since there are more town than mafia, if we keep trading of 1 for 1, town wins, therefore, I like B.

xvart wrote:Actually I have a great answer for you because of a game I just finished recently. I replaced into this game (as scum) and killed a lurker/flaker because I felt I could handle the people in the game and didn't want to risk a competent player coming in and unbalancing a group I felt I could manage as the remaining scum. I haven't looked into my predecessors meta but I'm guessing, due to the fact I've never seen his name, this was probably one of his first few games and the handful of posts he made isn't really indicative of alignment.

I am perfectly fine with doing the research of 100 or so games to show you that it is 99X more likely that the scum will kill a non0mislynch candidate than a mislynch candidate. I really will. If you don't believe me go read my other games, I just did a 45 game research to prove my point. And your point on musicninja, yes this is the first few of his games, but that doesn't mean scummy isn't scummy.

xvart wrote:Speaking of which, if I had such a high likelihood of being lynched why didn't you just try and force my lynch without claiming? Doesn't seem like it would have been so hard to do based on what you were saying. Wouldn't it have been better to try and get me lynched first without claiming (something you seem to think wouldn't have been so hard) and if that failed then claim if you felt I was actually scum?

I answered this already. I am of the opinion it is better to do 1for1 tradeoffs. I don't think I would have had an easy time lynching you today without my claim, as everyone was jumping a substrike BW rather quickly.

xvart wrote:VOTE: Maruchan

Yes lets OMGUS some more.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #149) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:35 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:Okay, I got it. We let the Doc decide which one of us is more important. He only targets one of the two of us, that way, the Mafia don't know which, so out of fear of the Doc, they may not target either of us if we are both town. Or, they could fail in trying. Or one of us could die. But that's likely to happen anyway.

no thats stupid. we need to decide what we're doing in advance.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #150) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:36 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
xvart wrote:I was trying to fish out a reaction from him. Since I didn't believe the one shot tracker claim and wanted to see what he was going to say that a vig targeted him.

This doesn't add up. If you were town, you'd obviously know that his claim was a lie. Why fish for anything when he's already deceived us by claiming you did something that you didn't?

we've already answered this. Either I'm town and he's scum, or I'm scum and I'm bussing him
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Post Post #786 (isolation #151) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:51 pm

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So you have no problem with the fact that rather than try to defend himself as such, he OMGUSed on me as soon as town started discussing the possibility of my or Link's scum?
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Post Post #787 (isolation #152) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:53 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Hikari Link wrote:
I'm trying to find the part where it's preferable that I die rather than you. My way, if you are scum, we get three scum and we keep our Cop and if you are town, we keep our cop. On the other hand, with your plan, If you are town, you most likely die unless there is a Doc, which I find unlikely if you are Jailkeeper, though if he exists admittedly we keep both PRs. If you are scum, however, we lose our cop because I die for sure. So to chart this out:

Link Plan

scumMaruchan: Keep cop, gain a report (possibility of Godfather lynch)
townMaruchan: Lose JK, no report

Whiskers Plan

scumMaruchan: Lose cop, no JK, no report
townMaruchan: Lose JK, no report (possibility keep both)

Link Plan

scumMaruchan-townLink(withDoc): Keep cop, gain a report
scumMaruchan-townLink(withoutDoc):Lose cop, lynch maruchan scum, gain a report
scumMaruchan-scumLink(withDoc): lol town is fucked up the ass
scumMaruchan-scumLink(withoutDoc): lol town is even more fucked up the ass
townMaruchan-townLink(withDoc): Kep cop, keep JK, no report.
townMaruchan-townLink(withoutDoc): Lose JK, no report
townMaruchan-scumLink(withDoc): no report, LIKELY no kill, same situation as today with 1 less scum
townMaruchan-scumLink(withoutDoc): likely no kill, same situation as today with 1 less scum

Whiskers Plan

scumMaruchan-townLink(withDoc): Lose Cop, lynch maruchan scum
scumMaruchan-townLink(withoutDoc): Lose cop, lynch maruchan scum
scumMaruchan-scumLink(withDoc): lol town is fucked up the ass
scumMaruchan-scumLink(withoutDoc): lol town is even more fucked up the ass
townMaruchan-townLink(withDoc): nobody/random dies, confirmed clear (me), keep cop
townMaruchan-townLink(withoutDoc): JK dead, or random dead, IF JK ALIVE: confirmed clear, no report
townMaruchan-scumLink(withDoc): no report, LIKELY no kill, same situation as today with 1 less scum
townMaruchan-scumLink(withoutDoc): likely no kill, same situation as today with 1 less scum


Meh I guess you're right they are relatively similar. The only difference is Whiskers plan gives us AN option of 1 cleared (banking on you and me both being town, which I think is the most likely scenario), and possible dead cop. Your plan gives us NO clears, and has no risk of losing cop.

I'm fairly certain that by the logic that I might not be Cop, it's literally impossible to clear you as long as you live, so the point about clears is moot.

Thats why I said the only way I am cleared is if we are both town. In YOUR mind you know you're a cop( unless you're scum in which case I'm willing to throw in the tall now), so if you get no report, and you don't die, and we use Whiskers method, in YOUR mind you know I am clear 100%
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Post Post #788 (isolation #153) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:53 pm

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Post Post #789 (isolation #154) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:55 pm

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We're also going off of the assumption here that if either of us is scum, we would try to kill the other one. Which, as we're both smart mofos, we wouldn't. If I was scum, I would hope we had a Mafia Roleblocker, in which case I would have him roleblock you, and kill a random so you think you got jailed by me.
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Post Post #791 (isolation #155) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:06 pm

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[quote="monk"Maru, I think it's likely that the scum targeted musicninja because that kill would give us no information and were banking on a doctor[/quote]then why not go after you or whiskers or noramp or tovarish or friend or iamausername,

The three most likely people to have doctor protection last night were Me, Link, and Panacea. Rather than killing one of the scummiest players in the game, why not kill one of the middle-grounds.

Oh and Monk fell into my breadcrumb trap, after I already revealed the trap. good going Monk.

Monk&xvart for remaining scum. (with possible 1 more). If monk had said "I think there is a doc and Maruchan is scum, and xvart is just being caught in Maruchan's cross-fire", I wouldn't have lumped him with scum. But the fact that monk both believes xvart is town, and believes my claim, comes off as uber fishy.
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Post Post #792 (isolation #156) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:06 pm

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fucked up the quote tags again. -.-
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Post Post #793 (isolation #157) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:07 pm

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or even if monk had said there was a doctor save and this setup has doc/JK/cop, and my JK is irrelevant, I would have believed him more.
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Post Post #796 (isolation #158) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:24 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:Pretty sure I said monk is town, so unless you are saying he's Godfather. I'm really close to just calling for a Maruchan lynch today, but that could end badly if he's just town fucking up. I think at this point, we should probably go with the xvart lynch and have the Doc and Maruchan on me tonight.

I honestly completely forgot about your claim. In which case he could be, but he is now less-scummy.
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Post Post #797 (isolation #159) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:37 pm

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xvart wrote:
Maruchan, 783 wrote:we've already answered this. Either I'm town and he's scum, or I'm scum and I'm bussing him
OR you're scum and I'm town and you still have the out tomorrow post flip "well shit, he must have been the NK target."

No matter what you flip, I will never say you were the night-kill target, no matter what.

xvart wrote:
Maruchan, 789 wrote:If I was scum, I would hope we had a Mafia Roleblocker, in which case I would have him roleblock you, and kill a random so you think you got jailed by me.
Or maybe a Mafia Roleblocker fake claiming town Jailkeeper...

revert to Hikari's point being that I would have blocked him last night. I completely forgot about that (like i said when he told me monk was inno)

xvart wrote:For crying out loud it wasn't OMGUS as much as you wish it was. My vote is clearly based on your claim being bogus, your justification for claiming when you basically said it wasn't necessary to do so, and now I'm tacking on the need to direct night kills to specific people. Which makes it interesting that you did claim when a flash wagon didn't form on me but rather Substrike. When you flip scum you can bet your hat I'm going to be looking at Substrike since your unnecessary claim derailed his wagon while in the same post talk about the possibility of Substrike bussing Whiskers. Vote townie, FoS scum partner maybe?

Wasn't OMGUS? One of you're biggest defenses here, in fact your only defense by monk's post, is that you were the scum kill target. That means I am still town-jailkeeper. Therefore, yes voting me is OMGUS, as I guarantee no doctor would have been on you last night. As for my saying I only claimed due to your not being waggoned, go read D1 please. I told everyone, multiple times, I would claim today, already breadcrumb claimed as jailer, and called sbustrike scum myself for about 3 pages.

xvart wrote:Finally, if you really were a town JKer you wouldn't even be considering a town setup that had a town doctor because it would be so horribly town favored; yet you are participating in the conversation and talking about doctor protections for people last night and what might happen if a doctor chooses wrong tonight.

Don't even pretend you know what I would or wouldn't be considering, I have no fucking clue how to make a setup. I don't know what is considered balanced and what isn't. I suck at that shit. So don't even try and say "I know there isn't a doctor", why? Because you aren't psychic, and I am not a mod, nor have I ever created a setup, so you have no proof to back that claim, where as I DO have proof to back mine, if you'd like me to link it.

xvart, Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:23 am wrote:Incoming still. I've been a little distracted but I'll get what I have done posted before I go to bed and then the rest will come tomorrow.

xvart, Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:05 pm wrote:Or, if you want to wait until I've posted it will be a couple hours yet.

xvart, Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:44 pm wrote:Hey, sorry about the delay. I had a scheduled half hour meeting first thing this morning that turned into a four hour meeting so I'm only about halfway done typing everything up. As soon as my wife leaves for work I'm finishing it up

xvart, Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:54 pm wrote:Hello everyone. Happy hunting. I still got a couple of pages from D1 to read but I should have everything posted by early tomorrow.


All I've seen so far is promises, when is it actually coming?
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Post Post #798 (isolation #160) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:38 pm

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@Link sorry for calling you hikari
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Post Post #800 (isolation #161) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:01 pm

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Wow Link, seriously? Lynch me first then him? Yes lets lynch the Possible-Jailkeeper/scum instead of the possible-VT/scum. That TOTALLY makes sense guys! Especially since neither of our deaths will tell you anything if it flips town. If you lynch me and I flip town he could still flip town due to there being a doc, or mafia NKed. If we lynch him and he flips town, I could still flip town due to there being a doc, or mafia NKed.

Or if we're both town, we lynch one the mafia kills the other, just so today was wasted.

HOWEVER, if we lynch him first, then he flips town, and you get roleblocked tonight, by your logic of if I was scum I would have roleblocked you last night, you know I am town, and therefore only have to lose ONE townie, to learn both of our rules, instead of two.

Link, you're very smart and a good player. You suggesting lynching me first just SERIOUSLY threw you in the scumlight for me. IGMEOY
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Post Post #801 (isolation #162) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:03 pm

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VCA:
Color Code:
Panacea

Hikari Link

Maruchan

Scumhunter

bobsnox

Substrike22

Noramp

monk

Tovarish

Friend

iamausername

Whiskers

Xvart


Spoiler: overall voting pattern of everyone combined
Day 0


Whiskers
votes
Friend


Day 1


bobsnox
votes
Maruchan

iamausername
votes
bobsnox

iamausername
unvotes

Friend
votes
Whiskers

Substrike22
votes
Whiskers

monk
votes
Panacea

Tovarish
votes
Whiskers

monk
votes
Whiskers

Maruchan
votes
Whiskers

Tovarish
unvotes

Noramp
votes
monk

monk
unvotes

Scumhunter
votes
bobsnox

Scumhunter
votes
Xvart

Scumhunter
votes
bobsnox

Friend
votes
bobsnox

Whiskers
votes
bobsnox

Tovarish
votes
Whiskers

Friend
votes
Xvart

Whiskers
unvotes

bobsnox
votes
Xvart

Whiskers
votes
Xvart

monk
votes
bobsnox

Noramp
votes
bobsnox

Panacea
votes
Hikari Link

Substrike22
votes
Panacea

monk
votes
Friend

Maruchan
votes
bobsnox

Maruchan
votes
Xvart

iamausername
votes
Xvart

Tovarish
unvotes

Scumhunter
votes
Hikari Link

Substrike22
votes
Whiskers

Noramp
votes
Xvart

Substrike22
votes
Maruchan

Scumhunter
votes
Substrike22

monk
votes
Maruchan

Tovarish
votes
Maruchan

Noramp
unvotes

Scumhunter
unvotes

monk
unvotes

bobsnox
votes
Whiskers

Scumhunter
votes
Xvart

iamausername
votes
monk

Panacea
votes
bobsnox

Noramp
votes
Whiskers

Hikari Link
votes
Substrike22

Hikari Link
votes
bobsnox

Noramp
votes
bobsnox

iamausername
votes
bobsnox

Whiskers
votes
bobsnox


Day 2


Hikari Link
votes
Substrike22

Scumhunter
votes
Substrike22

Whiskers
votes
Substrike22

Maruchan
Xvart

iamausername
votes
Tovarish

Friend
votes
Xvart

Scumhunter
unvotes

Hikari Link
votes
Xvart

Whiskers
votes
Xvart

Noramp
votes
Xvart

Whiskers
votes
monk

Whiskers
votes
Xvart

Maruchan
unvotes

Xvart
votes
Maruchan

Noramp
unvotes



Spoiler: xvart
Total votes by
Xvart

One


People
Xvart
never voted for:

Everyone Excluding
Maruchan


People who have never voted for
Xvart
:

Tovarish

monk

Substrike22

Panacea

Spoiler: Whiskers
Total votes by
Whiskers

Eight


People
Whiskers
never voted for:

iamausername

Tovarish

Noramp

Scumhunter

Maruchan

Hikari Link

Panacea


People who have never voted for
Whiskers
:


Xvart

iamausername

Scumhunter

Hikari Link

Panacea

I am going to end here tonight, I'll do the rest in the morning. I can't keep doing this endlessly repetitive task.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #163) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:00 pm

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Maruchan, 797 wrote:No matter what you flip, I will never say you were the night-kill target, no matter what.
Okay then. You better start thinking about what happened to the night kill (scum must have no killed?) for after my flip tomorrow because you will have a lot of explaining to do.

Scum NK, Doctor. I already said this. Next time actually read my posts please.

xvart wrote:
Maruchan, 797 wrote:revert to Hikari's point being that I would have blocked him last night. I completely forgot about that (like i said when he told me monk was inno)
Or, as has been pointed out maybe you guys have a Godfather or maybe you weren't under any suspicion from the cop player slot and decided to risk not being investigated for a night. Maybe you were afraid of a watcher. Maybe a thousand things that are all perfectly reasonable. Just because there is a claimed cop doesn't mean they will die the next night. WIFOM night actions, which is exactly why we should not be directing night kills as much as you are trying to do so.

I am not the one you should address this to. I was telling yo uI was basing the chances of a roleblocker on Link's opinion. If you don't like it, tel link, not me.

xvart wrote:
Maruchan, 797 wrote:Wasn't OMGUS? One of you're biggest defenses here, in fact your only defense by monk's post, is that you were the scum kill target. That means I am still town-jailkeeper. Therefore, yes voting me is OMGUS, as I guarantee no doctor would have been on you last night. As for my saying I only claimed due to your not being waggoned, go read D1 please. I told everyone, multiple times, I would claim today, already breadcrumb claimed as jailer, and called sbustrike scum myself for about 3 pages.
Actually, I did make the defense you attributed to monk, prior to monk saying anything. I can't really defend against your accusation since I didn't go anywhere because I have no action to go anywhere with.

Please explain to me exactly what events happened that you think lead up to the result of a lack of a kill last night. Its important

xvart wrote:
Maruchan, 797 wrote:As for my saying I only claimed due to your not being waggoned, go read D1 please. I told everyone, multiple times, I would claim today, already breadcrumb claimed as jailer, and called sbustrike scum myself for about 3 pages.
You didn't even make an effort to try and get me lynched by other means. And yes, exactly: you were trying to defer the wagon on scum bobsnox to let him live another night so you could then immediately claim.
So you're saying me substrike and xvart are scum. When I replace in, I vote bobsnox(my scumpartner), and push for his lynch until he claims cop. He is then un-cced cop, so I unvote him. You then say substrike (my other scumbuddy) begins a huge 4-page case on me, and I fight back with him, and we go on fighting for 4 pages calling each other scum, until SOMEBODY ELSE says they think its town-on-town. And then I (when ASKED) claim, just to save the guy who was pushing for my lynch?

xvart wrote:My apologies for attempting to be a psychic; but you did just get done talking about how smart of a mofo you were. If you are a town JKer there is no doctor in this setup. If there is, it is horribly town sided with two roles that can prevent a kill (one of which can prevent it from two directions) thereby blocking the scum NK ~1/4 of the time on night 1 and even higher as the game goes on and neither of them are lynched/killed. Plus, you've apparently done a decent amount of reading on the wiki about breadcrumbs and reading a bunch of people's links in the signatures so it isn't too far of a stretch for the "smart mofo" to also be reading about game setups.

It is possible that this setup is horribly town sided. They only have to pass a normalcy check to be allowed in the normal queue. Not a balance check. Also, link me to any wiki page which directly says that in making a setup a doctor should not be put with a jailer. Since you're biggest attack here is that the wiki is where I get most of my information, mind me a wiki page that says it. If you find one, I will self-vote and call myself scum. Or even find me a signature that links to a page that says that.

xvart wrote:Nice condescending undertone.

My specialty. No problemo.

xvart wrote:You still dodged the important point I was making. If I was such a likely lynch today anyway why did you
absolutely have
to claim?
You still dodged this important point, but I'll a little bit since I have to pull teeth here. What would you have done if there was a night kill last night.
Would you still have claimed even though you wouldn't have any information at all?
This is where it really starts to look like you were trying to get bobsnox off the hook yesterday and then you were locked into your claim.[/quote]
I answered. I told you that I never said anywhere you were an easy lynch today. If there was a night kill last night? No I wouldn't have claimed. And I would have not mentioned even the thought of claiming, so that I couldn't be asked for my claim.
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Post Post #806 (isolation #164) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:06 pm

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xvart wrote:
Whiskers Case wrote:This post reads to me as pushing a bogus case and asking to be convinced it is bogus under the guise of pressure. If you are voting scum you shouldn't need to be convinced otherwise. And simply asking to be convinced otherwise is essentially saying that you want to be convinced and don't believe in your vote to begin with.

Thanks for admitting I am a bogus case.

xvart wrote:That's all I've got for now. The rest tomorrow.

Thank you for showing me that you aren't just stalling, that is very nice. However I feel my case is now going to be skewed to what reads you can force to read badly, rather than a neutral case.
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Post Post #807 (isolation #165) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:42 pm

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Link I have seen your name lurking on the bottom of the page for the last hour. anything to say? No rebuttal to my post I last aimed at you?
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Post Post #809 (isolation #166) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:50 pm

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The post at the very top of this page, but its fine if you just want to wait till tomorrow. I was just curious what was up with your name and no posts, when you're usually good about replying. :P. I'm logging off for the night now anyways.
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Post Post #812 (isolation #167) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:40 pm

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Lesson Learned: Lynch All Liars should remain my strategy, and never attempt at gambiting again.
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Post Post #818 (isolation #168) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:40 am

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Bub Bidderskins wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Bub Bidderskins wrote:
Vote count 2.1


(4) Xvart: Maruchan, Friend, Hiraki Link, Noramp [L-3]


(1) Tovarish: iamausername [L-6]

(1) monk: Whiskers [L-6]

(6) Not voting: Panacea, xvart, Scumhunter, Substrike22, monk, Tovarish

With
12
alive it will take
7
to lynch.


Day Two Deadline

I believe whiskers unvoted and revoted xvart


If so, UNVOTE:

I don't want him to hammer himself to keep the town from planning.


I missed her vote because it was not placed on a seperate line. I'm not going to count it now because I made it clear that all votes need to be placed on a seperate line. If I don't see it, I don't count it.


Vote count 2.2


(3) Xvart: Friend, Hiraki Link, iamausername [L-4]


(1) monk: Whiskers [L-6]

(1) Maruchan: xvart [L-6]

(7) Not voting: Panacea, Scumhunter, Substrike22, monk, Tovarish, Maruchan, Noramp

With
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Day Two Deadline

In that case
vote xvart
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Post Post #823 (isolation #169) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:12 pm

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And yet you trusted me all up until I claimed? And even for about ten minutes AFTER my claim, until you let your paranoia set in.
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Post Post #827 (isolation #170) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:46 pm

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And since everyone is telling me there is no chance of a doc if I am town, this leaves me to the conclusion that Musicnija is either scum, or scum target, and I am 999,999.99% more likely to believe the first.
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Post Post #830 (isolation #171) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:49 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:Incorrect. I
appeared
to trust you. I didn't want to let you catch on to my suspicion at first, but I realized there was too much risk overall with my original plan, which now escapes me but I believe involved the Doc on me and me checking you at night. But I realized that would be a waste if you were town or the Godfather.

LOLOLOL "No what I have been sayign all game since I joined in about my reads was all one big fat lie. THey;re al lfalse. I just didn't want unwanted attention"

Seriously?
First you claim my play was scummy, when at first you "pretended" to love it!, then you call it scummy, and call me scum!, THEN YOU SAY YOU'VE BEEN LYING ALL GAME AND FOUND ME SCUMMY ALL ALONG?!?!?


How do people still think you're town? Lynch All Liars.
Hikari wrote:
iamausername wrote:If Maruchan is town, there's no reason to believe we even have a doc.

You make a valid point. So how about Doc and Maruchan on me? That way if Maruchan is lying, I won't die, but if he's legit, it won't matter, since as you point out, it's highly unlikely a Doc exists if he's legit. Any objections?

I object. I am no longer sure you're really a cop. Maybe there was no cop in this setup whatsoever. If you ARE a cop, you just gut superly scummy, superly fast.
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Post Post #831 (isolation #172) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:51 pm

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Scumhunter wrote:I agree with iamausername. I think this is a perfect time for a wifom JK choice. Although personally if xvart flips scum, I'd try and jail whoever I thought the last scum was for the perfect game chance :D

I liek this, and I had honestly thought about WIFOMing being on Hiraki, back when he still trusted me.

Back when he still thought I was town and suggested the whole "doc and maruchan on me".

I figured I'd jail who I thought last scum was, since everyone would think I was on him, then he could get a free report, and I could jail a possible killer.
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Post Post #832 (isolation #173) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:52 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
iamausername wrote:Maruchan should flip a coin to decide whether he targets you or not.

That way scum have to decide between killing you with a 50/50 shot of their kill being blocked or leaving you with a 50/50 shot that your investigation is not blocked.

If they know he's targeting you, they can feel free to kill someone else. If they know he's not, they can feel free to kill you.

If there is a doc, they should absolutely protect you.

The flaw there if he is town is that they can just kill him or leave him alive to be suspected by me. I don't want him as scum in a potential set up with no Doctor to have an excuse where he can stay alive if I die.

Make you a deal. We'll do his idea, and if you die, I will self-cote and lynch myself.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #174) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:17 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:Are you honestly saying that my argument against you holds no water? Cause that's a crock of shit and you know it.

No. I am honestly saying you preferring to lynch a JK/scum over a VT/scum is a crock of shit and you know it.




Hikari Link wrote:No dice. Calling scum on your ass right now. Also, why do you keep suggesting that there are only 3 scum? I would've guessed 4, given the number of players. Scumslip, perchance? Doc and you on me and if I get a report back for tomorrow, you hang, end of discussion. If by some sorcery, you flip town tomorrow after I get a report, we'll lynch me, as it must mean I'm scum, no?

Point to where I said only 3 scum. I said early-on I agreed with someone who said 3 OR 4 scum. And if you DON'T get a report tomorrow? Do I still hang since I could be hiding a roleblocker up my sleeve as scum even though I didn't use it on you last night? And it depends on whose plan we follow. if you get a report and we follow iamausername's plan, it means I just felt confident enough to WIFOM you, or felt a lack of a willingness to protect you. If we follow your plan however, yes. If tomorrow you have a report, I am scum.
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Post Post #835 (isolation #175) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:17 pm

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what the fuck where did that ghost quote tag come from?!?!?!?
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Post Post #843 (isolation #176) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:57 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Scumhunter wrote:I agree with iamausername. I think this is a perfect time for a wifom JK choice. Although personally if xvart flips scum, I'd try and jail whoever I thought the last scum was for the perfect game chance :D

I liek this, and I had honestly thought about WIFOMing being on Hiraki, back when he still trusted me.

Back when he still thought I was town and suggested the whole "doc and maruchan on me".

I figured I'd jail who I thought last scum was
, since everyone would think I was on him, then he could get a free report, and I could jail a possible killer.

Right fucking there in the bold. What else you got?

Read the quote inside your quote.

I was talking to someone, and therefore in said situation, continues with the situation already created FOR me(not by me).

Scuhunter was making a scenario, with only one scum left. I therefore replied, TO SAID SCENARIO, in which there is only one scum left.

If you want to yell at someone for 3 instead of 4, go to scumhunter. not me. kaithnxbaigurl.
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Post Post #845 (isolation #177) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:00 pm

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Whiskers wrote:Hikari Link, you look fucking BAAAD right now to me. You seem to want Maruchan to die no matter what. Lynch him over near-conf-scum? Fine with you. Put him in a position where he will without a doubt be nightkilled? Sure!

Look. HEre we are. Lynch xvart. If townflip, then Doc on Hikari Link, JK on Hikari Link. If flip scum, Doc on Maruchan, JK on Hikari Link.

I like that. That way neither one of us gets to guarantee our plan gets used, it is dependent on the flip. Which is fair.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #178) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:03 pm

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Whiskers wrote:
Bub Bidderskins wrote:
Bobsnox, Mafia Goon, Lynched Day One

Except that bobsnox was a standard Goon, Vanilla Scum.

Still, that doesn't mean that the setup is unbalanced.

PLAYERS: If there are any negative utility roles, like Paranoid Gun Owner or Beloved Princess, you should probably claim so we can work around you. (Any objections to Negative PR claims?)

I'm fine with this. If we are assuming any more good-PRs will town-balance this set-up, then by LINK'S REASONING HERE (that cop+JK is enough PRS), by asking non-important PRs to claim so as to be worked around.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #179) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:03 pm

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Maruchan wrote:
Whiskers wrote:
Bub Bidderskins wrote:
Bobsnox, Mafia Goon, Lynched Day One

Except that bobsnox was a standard Goon, Vanilla Scum.

Still, that doesn't mean that the setup is unbalanced.

PLAYERS: If there are any negative utility roles, like Paranoid Gun Owner or Beloved Princess, you should probably claim so we can work around you. (Any objections to Negative PR claims?)

I'm fine with this. If we are assuming any more good-PRs will town-balance this set-up, then by LINK'S REASONING HERE (that cop+JK is enough PRS), by asking non-important PRs to claim so as to be worked around.

Nevermidn scratch that. last mafia (or two) will vlaim paranoid gun owner to escape an investigation tonight.


I don't agree with it
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Post Post #858 (isolation #180) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:46 pm

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iamausername wrote:
iamausername wrote:P.S. pretty sure Beloved Princess and PGO are both on the Normal blacklist.


thus proving that I don't know everything.

They're highly unlikely, but apparently not impossible.

This is why nobody has ever voted for you yet so far this game. You can admit you're wrong.
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Post Post #859 (isolation #181) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:49 pm

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Whiskers wrote:Mafia Tracker (sees who target visited), Follower (sees action target performed), Roleblocker, Godfather, I think these are all very possible. Framer is also possible, but I don't like it and don't think it would be included-- but that's personal opinion. Aslo, Mafia role-cop comes free with Newbie Meal purchase, why not here?

Also, let's be wary of Millers, as it is as likely there are millers as there are Godfathers.
Macho-variants also possible, but unlikely.

[PreEdit]
iamusername: Both are possible. We have to do the best we can.

However, if MAruchan is a powerrole and scum, we probably have another powerrole, perhaps a doc after all?

iamusername, Maruchan and Hikari Link have too much suspicion on each other. We may as well confirm one. We aren't using the Powers to the best of our ability, but if it will make them both feel more at ease, I say let's go with it. We have at least two out of Some scum. We easily winning. Worst case scenario, we thin the herd a little here. (Actually, worst case scenario JK gets nightkilled and there is no doc.) Best case, a townie gets confirmed. Actually, BEST case, A scum gets confirmed.

That's why you, Hikari Link, need to Cop somepony else. If you don't get roleblocked, (while it's POSSIBLE that Maruchan was roleblocked himself), then you still get a result and we lynch Maruchan. If you get NKed instead, it isn't any worse than if you got NKed and did an investigation on Maruchan. The roleblock will clear Maruchan enough anyway.

If you investigate and
are not roleblocked and do not die
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are not roleblocked but do die
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ARE roleblocked, and do NOT die
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I felt perfectly at ease until Link quit being smart this game
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Post Post #863 (isolation #182) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:53 pm

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The two in VLA (Panacea and friend) went VLA before any of this claiming drama began, they aren't under the radar

Although Friend, if you're VLA how do you reply to posts concerning you being scum so quickly?
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Post Post #871 (isolation #183) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:05 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Whiskers wrote:Maruchan has given his word.

You both agree to my plan where Maruchan blocks you, and the Doc protects one of you based on Xvart's flip.
So let's lynch xvart, and move along.

Link, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?
iamusername, you mentioned about it, but didn't answer the question, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?

I don't think it necessary. As
iamusernane
pointed out, it's just a way for scum to hide.

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Post Post #872 (isolation #184) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:07 pm

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Noramp wrote:If maru Jked Xvart and xvart isnt scum then that means mafia didn't send in any NK which would be really weird but would probably suggest our remaining scum are probably hard lurkers which we don't really have other than Tovarish or we have a doc which seems unlikely at this point. I think we should lynch Xvart today and that can confirm whether or not Maru is really the JK. And personally I believe that a cop is way more important that a JK and therefore if we are lucky enough to have a doc they should target link and leave maru to his own devices sorry maru but with assured cop it is only a matter of time until town wins.

Repeat of 2 pages ago:

Point2post where Link b confurmed
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Whiskers wrote:So, Owlbear, Negative Utility roles: Claim or no?

no
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Post Post #875 (isolation #186) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:27 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Hikari Link wrote:
Whiskers wrote:Maruchan has given his word.

You both agree to my plan where Maruchan blocks you, and the Doc protects one of you based on Xvart's flip.
So let's lynch xvart, and move along.

Link, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?
iamusername, you mentioned about it, but didn't answer the question, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?

I don't think it necessary. As
iamusernane
pointed out, it's just a way for scum to hide.

Maruchan

Quite right. My mistake.

I think you got that British accent you were going for down.

I totally heard this in my mind as like some middle-aged English man in his high-backed armchair with a monacle.
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Post Post #879 (isolation #188) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:11 pm

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I said that before Link agreed on the plan.

With his plan agreed on, I wouldn't care if we do so, for TONIGHT'S PURPOSES. However, we have to look into the future. If we have bad-PR's mass-claim now the scum can hide behind a Paranoid Gun Owner claim, and Link can never inv them.
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Post Post #880 (isolation #189) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:12 pm

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also it gets rid of more possibilities for who the doc (if there is one) is, so easier for scum to target a doc for a kill.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #190) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:28 am

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xvart wrote: It isn't too hard of a stretch to think you would have come across games where this was discussed or even the MD forum where it is discussed. For someone cruising the forum for gambits I assumed you would also have a fundamental understanding of balance. I have neither moderated a game nor designed a setup but even thinking about the setup with a doctor AND a jailkeeper is ridiculous because of what I said before: "with two roles that can prevent a kill (one of which can prevent it from two directions) thereby blocking the scum NK ~1/4 of the time on night 1 and even higher as the game goes on and neither of them are lynched/killed."

Ah, I didn't browse played-games. THe only games I have browsed are when doing things to prove people wrong, such as the time I went through 50 games and found links to all the ones where a Mafia was killed N1, and then ISO'd them, and found out what they claimed before flipping.

I mostly just did Mafia Discussion
xvart wrote:Your specialty didn't come out until you were put under some pressure.

Totally correct. If you read earlier in the game, ISOing me, this is the second game on-site I have ever played. My first one, I tried being myself the second I replaced in, and I immediately pinged most players' scumdars. This game was my first attempt at NOT playing how I normally play, to see if maybe replacing in guns-blazing was a bad strategy. Guess what I learned? it is.
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Maruchan, 805 wrote:I answered. I told you that I never said anywhere you were an easy lynch today. If there was a night kill last night? No I wouldn't have claimed. And I would have not mentioned even the thought of claiming, so that I couldn't be asked for my claim.
Woah, wait just a second. You say you wouldn't have mentioned it D1 if there wasn't a NK last night. How could you predict something that hasn't happened yet to base what you are claiming prior to said event happening unless... wait for it... you are scum.[/quote[
You're putting words in my mouth I never said D1. I said I wouldn't have mentioned it. By that, I meant today. Today is D2, not D1. Nice Try.
xvart wrote:Maruchan is sweating because I've nailed his plan/thought process down pat and if Whiskers is the other scum he is trying to direct all night actions, too; since upon my flip everything will be thrown in upheaval and their plan will have monumentally backfired so they need the town to have as little information as possible.

No, I was sweating from PTing with the Navy. Not cuz you tapped on my ultimate awesome scum plan. (since I'm not scum)
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Post Post #900 (isolation #191) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:35 am

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monk wrote:Who is scum most likely to RB? My money would be on Maru based on his soft claims last day period, so that they can kill Link but this didn't happen either, The other option is that they RB'd Link now that doesn't make sense because he got back an Innocent on me.
However if we add a Doctor into the mix then basically we have them protecting Maruchan or Link and it gives us no information on whether xvart is scum or not!

@Mod: how do you fix conflicting night actions? IE: Town RB vs scum RB, how would that be fixed?
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Post Post #927 (isolation #192) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:35 am

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-.-

Should've seen that coming.

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Post Post #1047 (isolation #193) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:23 pm

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Friend wrote:One mistake I did make was being unavailable for the NK, which xvart had to send it. That kind of hurt us when Maruchan jailed him.

Scum had to play great to win over the PRs, and with my two buddies being not very good (xvart did well with what he had) I didn't really have much chance.

xvart could have sent in a PM saying for you to do the kill.


ThHis game only became uber-town sided with Link claimed cop, I jailed scum, and we successful lynched scum #2.


If it hadn't been for dumbass shit lick Day 1 Day 2, scum had a chance.

Not sure if it was posted already but if so I am sorry, SCUM QT LINK PLOXXXXXX
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #194) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:24 pm

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luck* -.-
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #195) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:25 pm

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Bub Bidderskins wrote:
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GET OWNED
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #196) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:26 pm

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Bub Bidderskins wrote:
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #197) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:37 pm

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Hikari Link wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
Friend wrote:One mistake I did make was being unavailable for the NK, which xvart had to send it. That kind of hurt us when Maruchan jailed him.

Scum had to play great to win over the PRs, and with my two buddies being not very good (xvart did well with what he had) I didn't really have much chance.

xvart could have sent in a PM saying for you to do the kill.


ThHis game only became uber-town sided with Link claimed cop, I jailed scum, and we successful lynched scum #2.


If it hadn't been for dumbass shit lick Day 1 Day 2, scum had a chance.

Not sure if it was posted already but if so I am sorry, SCUM QT LINK PLOXXXXXX

Already posted and xvart couldn't.

I just got to this point in the scum QT. YOu have to admit Bub that was a little harsh on the dude. :(

But oh well I liek it ! It saved my ass and won the game! XD
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #198) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:58 pm

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Xvart, he was hoping town would WIFOM themselves up the ass going "WAIT HE ISNT DEAD HE MUST BE SCUM DERP KILL HIM NOW"
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #199) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:26 pm

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Panacea wrote:Maruchan, I am most proud of townlisting you. :D You're. Tricky one.

I had decided that if scum wasn't Link, it was Whiskers, and I was going to be SO mad that everyone backed off him D1, lol!

Dats mah goal. ;) I am just thankful that you never lost faith in me and that you flipped town.

I've also seen both you and Whiskers reading other games I am in. It gave me warm fuzzies inside. ^_^
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