Mini 1221: Vegas Mafia (Over!)

[Timeater]

conform

HEY EMPKING

HEY

HEY YOU

ARE YOU GOOD AT MAFIA?

[Timeater]

Gonna have to disagree with DH about his point in 17#. Not defending or attacking, just disagreeing. (OMG Timeater overly cautious and nervous scum!)

@Empking

Who is the second best player here?

@nintendo

How much information is needed to end the RVS?

[Timeater]

Requesting meta citation on DH's playstyle if anyone has played with him before.

[Timeater]

Vote: DemonHybrid

Demon, a question for you. Why did you take it upon yourself to answer my request in #26 then proceed to not really say anything?

1. You say you dont have a meta but contradict yourself by saying you play quietly as scum.
2. "Go review my games" is not an adequate response to my post in #26 by any standard. So why even say it.

Post #28 has left me somewhat baffled.

@everyone but demon

Demon's initial reaction to ryuu could be considered townie response, considering his level of passion. But said passion only came after he was bullied into justifications. Demon assumes town is a certain way only and anything that deviates from what he conceives of what town should be is suspect. It doesn't seem like he's willing to account for the fact that ryuu might be a noob, or that simply that there is not alot of weight attached to the attack on him. There are countless variables he seems unwilling to account for. It seems fishy. His past few posts have been a little off. "Hikari and Emp are town" - "Link are you so sharp/experienced". Seems like a nice little detour for the pressure on him.

[Timeater]

I don't have a consistent meta, go back and read. I said "Half of the time, I play quietly as scum", and "Occasionally, I'll be bored as town". That's hardly a consistent meta.

And I'm not going to do your homework for you. My list of games are a click away, and I don't know what to give you specifically.

So there is a difference between meta in general and

consistent

meta. OK.

Never asked you to. I never asked for anything in specific.

Also, Timeater, me calling Link and Empking are relevant to the game and are not meant to be a detour. As well, my interaction with Link happened between the posts of #44 and #51, with the only interaction of another player being Empking correcting himself. So, what exactly was I trying to distract everyone from?

Did I not address that paragraph to "@everyone but Demon"

[Timeater]

I'm pretty much playing in the exact same way I am playing in your mortal kombat game.

#65 and #66 are really bad and full of fail. Post saying why is coming tomorrow.

[Timeater]

"I'm not attacking nor defending"

"Can I get some meta?"

-3 votes later-

"FUCKING KILL HIM"

I was going to unvote you but after this.

Uhh how about no. You're fine at L-3

In response to #66 and #65.

I never stated specifically why I was voting for you, Demon. http://youtu.be/eZdYoGUkqn0

That paragraph, addressed to everyone but you - was just my thoughts on the situation. I wanted to see if you could resist quoting it, if you could resist addressing it. You couldnt. I now know more about you as a player.

You put me in a false dichotomy with the fact that you asked for meta, and then when I tried to give it to you, you shot it down, saying that I was "inconsistent", but yet, you still found something scummy in it, even though I voluntarily gave you the information you needed.

Entirely incorrect false and untrue. I asked for a meta citation, and have gotten it so far from various other posts and sources. "Look it up yourself" and "Sometimes I'm quiet as scum" is not a meta citation. Please dont try to act like it is. False dichotomy my ass.

This was all said and done after a full page of you sitting back and not commenting. You are the one that's spouting the dissonance. Your position on the wagon is scummy, your reasoning is scummy, the way you set up the meta argument is scummy, and the way you attacked my short side conversation and the fact that I gave two reads, which is a perfectly normal thing to do in this game, is scummy.

1. A FULL PAGE OF NOT COMMENTING HUH. 2. I am attacking you because I want to see you flail. You are flailing. Hard. 3. I never gave my "position on the wagon". I never gave my reasoning. Which by the way is this - to keep pressuring you. Any scumreads I had on you at the time of my vote were somewhat inconsequential. After your blatant misrepping/floundering/desperation I'd like to see you lynched. Unlike Link I am not going to give you a pass, especially after the quote at the top of this post. 4. I set up nothing. I merely asked for a meta citation on your playstyle. You are attempting to create this elaborate construction of a "meta argument" where there is none. The only architect is you. You got super aggressive early game, you are going to draw the inquisitional eye. Get over it, sister.

@Maruchan, Zdenek, and The Tick:

What are your thoughts on Link? What are your reads on him?

@Empking, Link, and nintendoaddict:

What are your thoughts on Twistedspoon? More specifically this post: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3346599

[Timeater]

btw not impressed by the vt claim (obviously)

[Timeater]

@link

Just meant your unvote

That post of TS' tells me bnothing.

[Timeater]

Well I guess if you want to call not wanting a Day 1 lynch in under 24 hours a pass, then sure...

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But thats me.

@Timeater: well what do you think of this Twistedspoon fellow?

He cant triforce so theres that. Oh, and to answer your question (because I'm ISOing you again atm). I wanted to see if Emp would name names - especially after his bold declaration. He didn't. My initial post was trying to be an RVSender, but DH ended up doing that.

I'm not gonna go out and say you're obvtown, but you're close to it. I keep thinking if you're scum you're p. good. I just didn't like post #95.

[Timeater]

tbh it just seems like im playing on a different level than you

[Timeater]

unvote

[Timeater]

My read on him changed. This isn't necessarily due to anything he posted, more of an inner realization on my part.

Gonna have to disagree with a few parts of your summation Tick. Also, you never answered my question. Despite his roleplaying in #117 that post feels pretty spectatory-ish, predatory, and noncommittal.

Vote: The Tick

[Timeater]

no.

[Timeater]

why not?

I dont want to be a dick. Trying to be less emotional/berserker in my games and more of a zenmaster.

Ohmmmmmmmm

[Timeater]

I think he's a bad player.

[Timeater]

And thats probably the nicest way I can put it.

[Timeater]

Demon I didn't want to be a dick. BLAME SPOON. In any game, and I'm going to generalize here, there is always wide margin of skill. Lets say Albert has been playing chess for ten years. Little Bobbie comes along, a novice of only two years, and absolutely crushes Albert 9 times out of 10. Bobbie is just better at chess than Albert. Albert plays and plays, then plays some more - but he will never be as good as Bobbie. I'm not some super great mafia player. I'm pretty terrible. I've already roughly made threeish mistakes I wish I could take back. My assessment of you is nothing personal. Just blow it off. Its just one man's opinion.

Why just those 3 specifically? There are more players in the game than them.

No particular reason. I like to call out random people earlygame.

how do you differentiate between what you think is bad scum and bad town?

Gut.

pokerface

Its hard though. Usually the "bad" comes first - the alignment is secondary. Motivations, mostly. Like in DH's case most of his motivations are good.

[Timeater]

Fine, keep crying about it you baby.

Replace out.

Thanks.

[Timeater]

FUKKA YOUUU TOOO

[Timeater]

There you go again

[Timeater]

Didn't you replace out?

OH WOW I REFERENCED AN ONGOING GAME MAKING NO CLAIMS TO MY ALIGNMENT OR ANYTHING - ONLY MY PLAYSTYLE. Normally I'm extremely bombastic and polarizing. But as I said, I'm trying to be more ZEN.

BUT APPARENTLY THAT ISNT WORKING OUT BECAUSE TERRIBLE HURPDERPS CANT TAKE BEING CALLED BADTOWN WITHOUT THEIR EGO SHATTERING INTO A MILLION PIECES

[Timeater]

I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I

THERE YOU GO AGAIN

[Timeater]

I apologize to everyone for that spat.

Gonna take a break for a day or two.

[Timeater]

I unvoted ender

[Timeater]

cool some action, btw zde and dh prob have a linked alivnment - writingb this oon a wii lol

[Timeater]

im vka morobn zde continues misrep watch it big post later

[Timeater]

requesting votecountb ender

ALL I GOT IS A WII ATM

JESU LOOJK AT LAST PAGE

[Timeater]

lol nice backpeddle

iso zdenek, see a pattern?

i do

[Timeater]

emp needs to stop active lurking
requst prod on mysterio/don + whoever else isnt posting

[Timeater]

vig: Maruchan

Are you a Day Vig? Did you really just Vig a townie like that!? Is that even a thing? I've heard about it in another game, but I don't really know if it exists.

According to this it is within the bounds of a normal game to allow Day-Vigs. Whether or not there IS one however we will have to wait and see.

Zdenek, congrats on killing a vanilla townie. You are pro.


Anyways, this'll be my last post before I head out to PT so I'll be back in like 4 hours.

kina null to me

[Timeater]

i went vls cuz i was raging, wifom only ofc, but there u go. vladivostok off! real meat in a few hours

[Timeater]

tunnel more bra

im coming for you

[Timeater]

claim: vt

I'll be straight up. I've been scummy as fuck this game. I've said a lot of dumb shit. About Demon - because of the way he construed his arguments, the way he put together his cases - I felt they lacked any sort of empiricism, utterly rooted in passion, and ultimately holding up a sort of "I'm right-your-wrong-no-matter-what" style of logic. He was playing like a medieval inquisitor who wants his witch burned no matter the cost, no matter if he's wrong or right. Evidence of this could be gleaned from one of his first posts, where he says "Town acts like X all the time, Scum acts like Y all the time". I dont normally have split-second changes of heart, but since I did, and I rolled with it - I faced the consequences. My unvoting of demon was strange and should have been questioned. I am not 100% he isn't scum. I'd say I'm 51%.

I dont like the way Zdenek has chainsawed for Demon. He's pretty much done it all game. I feel that either Demon is town and Zdenek is scum

OR

they are both scum. Zdenek was too quick to agree to my post about him being linked with Demon. He held on to it and used it greedily. The way he hopped from me to link then back to me again with the reasoning of a turnip. Trying to mollify Demon with an apology is apparently "the story of blathering scum". His vig was transparent as fuck. If wanted to gambit to get more information, it should NOT have been on Maruchan. I was his number #1 suspect, remember? He tried to justify it with "oh Timeater isn't RESPONDING HE MUST BE SCUM" - what a retarded line of reasoning. Another example of him ammunition-gathering instead of posting with real consequence.

Vote: Zdenek

A LIST!

1. Zdenek- scum
2. Mysterio - null
3. don_johnson - scummy
4. Hellhound1 - null
6. Hikari Link - town
7. hahonryuu - obvtown
8. nintendoaddict1 - scummy
9. Empking - null
10. Twistedspoon - obvtown
11. The Tick - scum
12. Maruchan - town
13. Ankamius - town...

[Timeater]

I wasn't saying I got something against vt claims, just that one in particular (because of the meta, he said didn't have time for TS, and just quoted me in his crybaby style. + Next post the misrep). I gotta be honest, I was REALLY tempted to say something like TRACKER or fakeclaim cop just to stick it to this game. But I knew that if I did that I'd only be lynchbait down the line. I WISH I had a PR this game.

[Timeater]

Its just a list. It should not influence you. The reason I post lists is to let other players know where

I

stand. Not where

they

should.

[Timeater]

@ryuu

The current site meta is that its completely acceptable. 1. It was unnecessary. 2. He faked-vigged the wrong guy. Which should be pointing people to the fact that the act in itself was a scummy one. I am not against gambits when done properly. The thing is though this was a scummy gambit. So I dont like it. :p

I dont think you can travel that far into "what-if" territory. That conversation is best left for MD.

[Timeater]

Yes, the quitting part made me think even more that DH was acting scummy. I've seen townDH under fire before, and I don't recall him ever getting so mad as to quit. That makes me doubt he was townDH here.

Dont you think you should have said that ages ago? Aftering ISOing you, you dont seem to get off DH until his replacement comes around. Do you still think he's scum?

The thing about Don is he's acting really lazy, and he shouldn't be. Its not like the game is 60 pages.

Vote: DJ

[Timeater]

and before I go to bed, I think zdenkek is town (or at least he was) because I don't think scum would want the attention or suspicion drawn to them that a fake vig-ing would cause. It could backfire badly and scum have nothing to gain from it, unlike a reaction-testing townie
I think zdnek is town as a result

Well as it turned out it didn't really draw much attention at all. It sets him up, builds trust because of the current site meta which is 'gambits are kewl!'. I dont think all scum play like lurky lord-gurgi-esq scarecrows.

Zdenek: I aint a vig btw
Everyone: mehhhhhhhh

[Timeater]

Zdenek is nowhere near a plausible lynch at the moment, Emp.

UNVOTE

[Timeater]

Why then?

[Timeater]

Meta'd you.

Goddamn this is how you always post isn't it. An apt avatar choice.

[Timeater]

[Timeater]

Unvote, Vote: Tim

Why.

[Timeater]

Unvote, Vote: Tim

Why.

Because I want you lynched.

Why.

[Timeater]

Unvote, Vote: Tim

Why.

Because I want you lynched.

Why.

Because you have a better than average chance of being scum plus you claimed VT. Plus you're mean!

I'm not mean, I'm bipolar!

Reading you is so hard, I hate you. I would agree, that yes - I need to be lynched or vigged. Just not today. Zdenek/The Tick are the best lynch choices and will provide the town with the most information.

[Timeater]

scum not gonna let go of me

was thinking about emp, he's screwing up my reads. so is link's ghosting

tick is still scummy so i'll throw my vote back to him.

vote: tick

dj is town
emp+link=at least one scum 100%

[Timeater]

on wii again. regfan godtier town. @ts dj for his post after my unvote. but i dont like the buddy accusation. need to meta him. @something linjk said: lynchbait is bad for the town, dont like the implicaftion, doest jive. emp is innately scummy because of the lack of info but am now seeing a more intentionally stubgorn & predatory nature to his posts after iso. reg i dont see the TS thing, can you link to scum game of his? zdenek still bringing weaksauce to the table imo. ticks recent posts smell like frustrated scum; need more data

nintendo what do you think about emp

[Timeater]

tick got a theorhetical question for you

if you were an sk this game, what would your gameplan be? answer honestly plz

[Timeater]

btw edwop: dj's post before my unvota

[Timeater]

im getting spooked reading this mini, TS is so good for a younger player (if his bio is true)

[Timeater]

how would you go about pushing for said lynch?

[Timeater]

i find overclarification to be scummy

[Timeater]

but emps content levels are always low, gimme a read nintendo

[Timeater]

also something that recently came to mind <maybe im thinking about it too much>, what if they are both scum and they planned on doing that so maru could "claim" and have us all believe he's town because he claimed town under pressure of death, thus we auto assume town <to an extent at least>...but problem being that, for me at least, it worked and I don't wanna lynch maru. but that's nothing but an after thought atm with so little to go on..

long story short its good that at least I'm not the only one questioning the Vig. on some level at least. same with empkings lack of doing...anything. openly at least. good to know my brain isn't completely useless in a game of mafia.

Impossible. He may have planned to do it as scum or town for whatever reason, I don't really care, but collaboration between the two of us is impossible.

There was no N0, scum-talk phase of this game. The thread opened at 5:20, we all received role PMs between 5:20 and 5:45, and at 5:45 he opened confirmation, in-thread. There would have been no time for the scum to plan anything together pre-game, no matter who you suspect the scum-team of being.

Quicktopic could have been open prior to PMs, he could have sent scum PMs first, and discussion might have been open during in-thread confirmation since it was the confirmation phase. If what you say is true, I count about 37 minutes that could have contained discussion.

Lets not play outguess the mod m'kay? The quicktopic COULD have been made before the game totally correct. But guess what, scum get the quicktopic link, in their role PMs. Role PMs (for me at least, maybe yours is different. Since you say you think the QT was already opened when game started, maybe you got a role PM an hour before the game started so you could see the QT?) were sent out AFTER the game started. IE: even if QT was made before game started, scum didn't know about it till after game started.

The Day officially started at 5:57. I got my role PM at about 5:30 ish. So yes, scum could have talked for 27 minutes. Which I find is TOTALLY long enough for them to come up with an elaborate day-vig the scum-partner scheme, WHEN THEY COULDN'T EVEN GUARANTEE THE SCUM PARTNER WAS GOING TO LOOK SCUMMY.

I mean lets start being realistic guys? Stop being paranoid (Link), and be realistic.

i think this is a really important sequence of posts and should be talked about more

[Timeater]

never saw the dh claim huh?

riiiiiiiiight...

[Timeater]

Guys. After ISOing Tick I'm 100% Link is scum. He might try to claim some vla bullshit too.

Vote: Link

Before we all hop on nintendo because it feels like scumbus, I think we might need to BACK IT UP A NOTCH. The last three people who voted Tick are all guilty of being scummy - but lets not to be TOO QUICK to be led on this one.

I want this to be a

really

long day.

TS: Nightkill analysis?

do we want a vig claim(if that's the case)?

I'll answer that in a few pages.

[Timeater]

Reg was undoubtedly one of our best players. Empking also SAID he was one of our best players (but lol). Maru's reasoning on the SK/Vig motivations of killing Emp are sound, but almost too knowing and "thought out". These kills feel Gurgi-esq. The "I dont give a fuuuuck I just kill the strongest players" style of mafia killing.

@Maru: Do you believe a scummer would kill someone D1 who lists them as one of their top scumspects?

Reading through The Tick's ISO didn't uncover anything at a quick skim. I'll look through a few things later and note what I find.

Really? You got nothing from his ISO? Who do you think is scum today and why.

[Timeater]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17461

(inb4 idiots like me linking to it :p)

I'm just saying thats what it FEELS like. Thats my initial read.

Any questions about Link, Maru?

[Timeater]

Did you just edit your post?

Must have missed the second half.

The Link thing is complicated, I'll post about that tomorrow.

HELLHOUND POST SOMETHING DUDE.

[Timeater]

actually nintendo TS was the second vote on tick, I was the first

on wii atm more posts incoming

[Timeater]

I'm here, trying to formulate whats brewing in my mind into coherency. The Link thing is not an easy sell.

[Timeater]

Your aggressiveness is good.

What was this promise and where was it made?

[Timeater]

Every lynch is a sell.

This is coming from a businessman.

[Timeater]

lol you are seriously dumb

[Timeater]

lol. I orchestrated the Tick wagon. I called him scum after his FIRST FUCKING POST. I was CONSTANTLY ON HIM. If you really think I would bus my partner like that D1 under the pretense that I felt I had to because of the VT claim, - lol.

You call it a bus pattern because of what Maruchan posted earlier. Which is pattently UNTRUE btw. Only morons would push their scumpartners so hard D1 then never got off their shit when push comes to shove. If anything, the most prominent PATTERN is that of the late-bussing scum, not this strange fantasy you seem to be pushing.

Still putting together my thoughts on why I think Link is scum.

@TS - Nintendo, Ank, and DJ now to some extent, but its weak.

[Timeater]

lol. I orchestrated the Tick wagon. I called him scum after his FIRST FUCKING POST. I was CONSTANTLY ON HIM. If you really think I would bus my partner like that D1 under the pretense that I felt I had to because of the VT claim, - lol.

You call it a bus pattern because of what Maruchan posted earlier. Which is pattently UNTRUE btw. Only morons would push their scumpartners so hard D1 then never got off their shit when push comes to shove. If anything, the most prominent PATTERN is that of the late-bussing scum, not this strange fantasy you seem to be pushing.

Still putting together my thoughts on why I think Link is scum.

@TS - Nintendo, Ank, and DJ now to some extent, but its weak.

Uhm, dats what I said? I said either the first votes or last votes on the wagon, and called the last votes on yesterdays wagon the scum. So, you're agreeing with me... while calling me wrong?

Why? How else better to get town cred than to be on the Day one wagon into scumville? And of the people on the wagon, the votes most likely to be scum-bussing are those at the beginning or those towards the end.

and tim responds with a "i'm getting pressured, better put my vote on scum" vote. this is classic.

I'm not quite sure I get you are saying but this is what I was drawing the connection to when addressing DJ. I disagree that initial votes on scum D1 are scummy. D2+ I can see where that bit of VCA would be fine, but D1 its just sillybad. Most D1 scumbusses are born out of desperation, not some devilish trollfactor.

@TS: To put it shortly before I write a few paragraphs about it (unlike reg I cannot just spew them out willynilly), most of my read on Link is gut (therefore more easily dismissed), but other parts of it factor into understanding the Tick based on how he reacted to several of my questions.

And my read on Ank is a combination of me not liking his late vote on Tick + his general lack of content towards the end of the day. Plus him saying he didn't get ANYTHING from Tick's ISO.

[Timeater]

dj confirmed dumb

@ryuu

Nothing is certain in mafia. My read on Tick was mostly gut and that was 100%. My gut is good. Dealing with other people: not so much good. When I say 100% its mostly bravado, an attempt to draw either of them out to attack me or question me why. My read on Emp was obviously wrong. And that read generally was a result me me not being able to come to grips with his playstyle.

Link isn't the type of player to make blatant mistakes as scum. He's too good. He's too slippery. Slippery I think is the best way to describe him. Unlike TS, who is obvtown to the umpth degree, Link has this faintly calculated air about him that makes him hard to pin down and hard to label. This quality forged my initial suspicions of him. When I was going back and looking at the way Tick was playing, I wanted to try to understand Tick - as a player. That is how my play is evolving. I look at how a player IS. I take in all their little eccentricities as data then use that data to look for fakeness. And fakeness isn't always a scumtell - sometimes I've been fake as town. Knowing how skilled a player is helpful for looking for this.

Link exhibits a very skilled style - some players have even complimented him about it. But that skilled air doesn't seem to jive with legit scumhunting or legit towniness. Its feels fake to me for several reasons (not going to post a walls as I fell walls are anti-town)

next post!

[Timeater]

oh and about that quote wall: I simple forgot. I think I was focusing on Tick at the time. I will talk about that in a sec.

[Timeater]

Sorry DJ I apologize, I shouldn't do that.

[Timeater]

When I asked Tick what he felt about Link, he says two things: That he has a good head on his shoulders and his feelings are null. He is reluctant to give me a read either way; which I take as some evidence of Tick being a little torn on what to do. Tick wasn't the most experienced scum, and often I got the vibe from him that he should just avoid sticky situations without comitting, like how he did in most of his posts.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3347546

When Link attacked me for my rage-out escapades (which was pretty predatory but ultimately understandable - again, Link is a slippery fellow) Tick butts into the conversation, trying to be useful but ultimately saying nothing of consequence (in my opinion). He defends me and says a real goon would have kept tunneling, consequences be damned. The fact that he felt the need to quote link and DEFEND ME says to me he was possibly breadcrumbing if his buddy died. Its a bit of a stretch but its what I'm feeling on that post.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3349863

When Zdenek attacks Link, Tick defends him because I was on Zdenek. He probably felt I was most likely to die, so he could set up Zdenek for tomorrow. Normally scum dont defend each other, but again Tick wasn't the most advanced scum around.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3356076

As I said - I dont like the people who joined the wagon late. Link was one of them.

About my "quote wall implication post" - That post generated a good bit of speculation and wifom. The thing I did not like about it was Link's tiny little role, and I was hoping someone else would pick up on it. He is more than willing to speculate on the goings on of scum:

Quicktopic could have been open prior to PMs, he could have sent scum PMs first, and discussion might have been open during in-thread confirmation since it was the confirmation phase. If what you say is true, I count about 37 minutes that could have contained discussion.

That sort of paranoia, while entirely subtle and slippery (which is Link's MO) is scummy.

I

urge

you guys to lynch Link and kill him before the game progresses much further, because he's just going to get harder and harder to kill.

[Timeater]

I've been assuming Maru is just naturally scummy but this latest volley is begging me for a reread...

[Timeater]

I know this sounds dumb but can you guys just trust me about the Link thing.

Indulge me?

[Timeater]

deal.

[Timeater]

MY SARCASM DETECTOR WAS NOT WORKING

I DONT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST LINKMEISTER PERSONALLY. IM SURE HE'S A GREAT GUY. TOO BAD HE'S SCUM THIS GAME, THOUGH.

[Timeater]

HIKARI READING THE THREAD

NOT POSTING

SCUM NOT POSTING BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE TO, BETTER TO LURK IN THIS SITUATION AND HE KNOWS IT

LYNCH THIS SUCKER

[Timeater]

ORL MARU

[Timeater]

HELLHOUND? GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT WEAK SHIT

HIKARI READING THE THREAD

NOT POSTING

SCUM NOT POSTING BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE TO, BETTER TO LURK IN THIS SITUATION AND HE KNOWS IT

LYNCH THIS SUCKER

1. Don't call me Hikari, bro. 2. Reading on my phone. Thanks to your bullshit, I'm actually gonna have to post tonight instead of taking a break.

Hey,

BRO

Whats it like to be tunneled by a real-life psychic? YOU SCARED? ID BE.

IM LIKE MEWTWO BUT BETTER

LYNCH HIKARI ALREADY

[Timeater]

my gut is infallible

[Timeater]

lolol @ anyone remotely think im scum

Rune Factory: Frontier for the Wii?

Vote: hellhound

good work TS, barnacling

[Timeater]

ps prod zdenek

[Timeater]

LOL I really want to play that game. I also want to try little king's story.

I am still sure but obviously I've alienated myself on the matter so I'm letting it go for the moment.

[Timeater]

I really dont like Zde's lurking today.

[Timeater]

You dare warn me?

I'm not contriving anything, I could easily go into why your post against mine case is weak, but I'm not going to at the moment. Your attempts at character assassination will not work. I'll just punch you in your virtual nose when push comes to shove. Lovingly of course.

The fact that you are building yourself up and saying scum like to keep you around only adds fuel to the burning pyre that is my gut read on you. Covering your bases constantly is not pro-town. TS will probably die tonight (take that bit of wifom, scum) but no matter. I will easily switch modes like a yugioh card. You cannot stop the eater of time, foolish hyrulian.

[Timeater]

lolol @ anyone remotely think im scum

Rune Factory: Frontier for the Wii?

Vote: hellhound

good work TS, barnacling

barnacling? you might have to explain this term to me

It means I am willing to trust your judgment and "follow better poster" so to speak. A great and noble sea turtle will still have barnacles; they are apart of him. I am your barnacle sweety :3

mode switch

I AM NOW 100% SURE LINK IS TOWN

HEY NINTENDO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT

[Timeater]

Maru what do you think of Hellhound and would you be willing to get on with TS and I?

@Link

Genius happened.

[Timeater]

Use your noggin. You're a smart boy. But keep it to yourself, for now.

Wait for Zdenek & Nintendo to post.

[Timeater]

Link knows (or is at least pretty sure) I'm town.

I feel that forcing hellhound to

claim

is the best course of action atm.

[Timeater]

Uhh hopefully when he gets some votes on him, not right now O_o

[Timeater]

DJ how about you be useful for a change instead of wallowing in confirmation bias.

[Timeater]

scum/sk:

zdenek
nintendo
hellhound

town:

everyone else

note: list subject to rapid changes

[Timeater]

i dont like the sliding scale

[Timeater]

Users browsing this forum: baboon, Hikari Link, nintendoaddict1, Timeater

sup nintendo?

[Timeater]

exiting troll mode

Town

Link

TS

Ank

ryuu

chan

dj

hound

zdenek

nintendo

Scum

[Timeater]

Will you vote hound, Nintendo?

[Timeater]

How was I unclear?

[Timeater]

hellhound, the player.

[Timeater]

Hi Zde, looking forward to that post.

Unvote
Vote: nintendoaddict

Got what I needed. He's scum.

[Timeater]

Dude, back in the day my favorite combo was Timeater + Thunder of Ruler. I used to be able to get away with making people skip entire turns, because they wouldn't have a mainphase. But the bigwig reps eventually ruled that out.

mode switch

I AM NOW 100% SURE LINK IS TOWN

HEY NINTENDO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT

... I think I know what you are trying to say about you and Link and secret reasons.

He's still scummy. Look at his Maruchan interaction. I will not be changing my vote again this day.

[Timeater]

isos #47-#55

[Timeater]

Icing on the cake. I never implied that had anything to do with it. Bad point. Weak attack. "Interesting" is a bullshit term used by scum when they dont know what else to say. You poorly hammered your scumbuddy at the end of D1. Time's up, friend.

[Timeater]

I'm experimenting with a new style of play and trying some things I dont really want to talk about, but overall I am pleased with the way I've played this game. Going to be a bit esoteric here, but my reads are constantly updated by the more 'data' I get. My reads are almost purely based on me understanding the player himself. I apologize for the Link escapade if it was confusing. But you have my assurances that my intentions were purely townie. Unlike the Link thing, I am not going to flipflop on this one. Another factor for me hyper-posting is that I dont have anything better to do at the moment.

Nintendo is surely scum. Maruchan, please list your reads on a sliding scale as Link requested.

[Timeater]

But I did do it. The fact that I begrudgingly did it irrelevant. Another weak scummy attempt at attacking me.

"Screw it" before the Tick - hammer. Not "sorry for the quick lynch, not HEHEHEEH HAMMA" - "Damn, I better just hammer this dude before he goes. Screw it"

[Timeater]

Screw it.

[Timeater]

Still not seeing where the vote came from. I thought it was shifty to have a second vote on someone so early. I vote for you. This makes me scum....how exactly?

Because you don't understand how RVS works and you are scum, opportunistically trying to pin me starting an RVS wagon as scummy.

But there's just one thing about what you did... you voted for someone without any logic or reasoning at all(RVS logic or not) and in the RVS that is scummy.

Also, it is way too early to be calling anyone scum. Seriously, we're on page one.

[Timeater]

Nintendo continues to act dumb. He isn't.

[Timeater]

Its scummy as fuck?

[Timeater]

lol.

I dont need to say anything else. You have examples enough of Nin's scumminess. Upto you to make a decision, town. Like I said I will not be changing my vote.

[Timeater]

that blows.

someone breath life into this game, im all out of breath

[Timeater]

hey TS I looked up that ruling. apparently it was reversed

the combo is viable again!

[Timeater]

after that thought, place a vote on hell or nin

about link: not really no. not right now. about the quote: meta and playstyle evaluation.

[Timeater]

nintendo is a better lynch of the two.

[Timeater]

I like it, DJ.

Gotta use that.

[Timeater]

Better claim now then bud

[Timeater]

Who'd you protect and why.

[Timeater]

Not necessary, no, but they are still used a lot.

Link: "Are you a Day Vig? Did you really just Vig a townie like that!? Is that even a thing? I've heard about it in another game, but I don't really know if it exists."

You know he's a townie? Wow.

Vote: Link

I voted Link because I thought he implied he knew someone was a townie, later I saw that person actually claimed.

Zdenek, congrats on killing a vanilla townie. You are pro.

hrmm too early in the day to be killing princes...

err doctors

But I'm not entirely sure (not sure enough to break my vow and unvote) and wish to consult the oracles. Fair oracles, what ye have to say about the soul of this claimed doctor?

[Timeater]

What its just spoilers O_O (highlight it to read and use the spoiler button to use!)

but ok

[Timeater]

*listens, expects crickets*

[Timeater]

Timeater: VT
DemonHybrid: VT
Hellhound: VT
Maruchan: VT
Empking: VT
Regfan: 2-Shot Tracker
Nintendo: Doctor
Tick: Goon

A VT should counter-claim instead IMO. 5-6 is normal, but I'm feeling 5 considering the weak tracker.

[Timeater]

UNVOTE

[Timeater]

Or we could just mass claim which would be more fun.

[Timeater]

ROFL R U SRS?

[Timeater]

ohhhh

VOTE: vote: nintendoaddict

[Timeater]

ts isnt getting lynched get real. man up with nintendo. no more vt claims

[Timeater]

docs arent in every game fyi

[Timeater]

nice try ryuu

you're next bud

[Timeater]

depends on screen rez, TS

reads dow for me and im on wii
we may have two docs if there is an sk, which i think there is

i believe TS tho, don is...well...nevermind lol

[Timeater]

mass claim would be good at this point reall, only 3? more claims left

[Timeater]

i really want to draw attention to something but if i did town would suffer.

upto you guys tho aboudt mass. faster nin dies the better so w/e

[Timeater]

nocase is the cop

[Timeater]

vigs need to claim if that wasnt clear

[Timeater]

:l

just lynch ninteno already.

SERIOUSLY.

[Timeater]

nintendo :p

[Timeater]

lold hard

[Timeater]

still laughing actually

whos hammering

(<3 nin poor guy)

[Timeater]

so for tonight investigate TS and vig/wtach/watever someone good. when i come back this eve it better be night

[Timeater]

or block/watch/vig TS an investigate someone good ))))

[Timeater]

THIS IS LITTLE ITALY LOL

NORMAL GAMES LOL

TS DESPARETLY TRYING TO PLAY DOWN HIS BUDDY'S ERROR

G FUCKING G

[Timeater]

I AM THE FUCKN KING

FUCK YEAH TOWN WINS

HURRY UP AND LYNCH NINTENDO ZZZZZZZZ

[Timeater]

no it doesnt

[Timeater]

White

MAGE

in a VEGAS SETTING????

DONT BUY THIS

SWILL

If he really is a WHITE FUCKING MAGE (LOL) Its bastard modding for like 3 reasons.

[Timeater]

no scum makes roles up? ARE YOU SERIOUS LOL

[Timeater]

lynch all liars applies here

the waters are too muddied

[Timeater]

Is that a lynch ;oooo

[Timeater]

how much I hate this game hows that for starters

[Timeater]

Or the SK/Mafia refrained from night killing

Or a bunch of others things which you fail to mention

Why would there be a powerful doc role + another doc TS?

[Timeater]

We should have mass claimed yesterday

The mod should have made a note saying there was an unconventional role in the game before we started

rage

[Timeater]

There are no insane/unstable roles in normal games.

Unless there is more bastardry afoot.

[Timeater]

Probably? I am. There is no middle ground. Its a fact. If there is, this is a bastard game should be closed immediately and Ender should never be allowed to mod again. Its bad enough he included the variant role without a heads up to everyone.

[Timeater]

90% of mini normals only have conventional roles. Its bullshit not to say "Hey there is an unconventional role in this game" before it starts. Its bullshit.

[Timeater]

we need claims tbh

[Timeater]

DJ was a VT

[Timeater]

All that goodposting you were doing earlier is really starting to erode TS

[Timeater]

I feel bad about this

Vote: TS

[Timeater]

unvote

Vote: Link

[Timeater]

Strong doc + doc is fine considering we have an SK.

Waiting on those claims. Quicklynch TS isn't gonna happen.

[Timeater]

Because you're the SK duh

[Timeater]

Who do you think you're talking to?

[Timeater]

I knew you wouldnt be able to resist

[Timeater]

So how about that Link lynch.

[Timeater]

Just admit you're the SK, it'll be easier for everyone that way.

If you do, you gain honorary town membership and win when we kill the other mafia member(s?).

[Timeater]

Look at the way Link responds to my accusation. He probes, looks and gives for reasons, makes soft-attacks when he can get away with it. This is more than just being calculated, this is scum. His initial response was to ask for my reasoning, so he could rebut me. I think of a thousand more genuine responses.

TS had no reason to counter-claim gambit as scum. Most people have considered him very townie. If he was a scum he was in a comfortable enough position where he didn't need to be forced to gambit. As scum, he would have more to lose than to gain with such a counter-claim. The act in itself was extremely townie. Dont feed into this 'HURR GOTTA LYNCH TS NO MATTER WHAT' bullshit. It'll only lead the town into ruin.

man there's no point in even trying is there?

Nope, not really. Not for scum, at least. Town could at least bother with a nice little farewell post. It won't save you, but at least you could nudge us in the right direction, right?

Scum. Fucking scum. Wait for the claims. Lynch Link. I can post all day about why Link is scum. Link will of course respond to this post with character assassination and blasé logic. Timeater is a troll, Timeater is a VI, Timeater hasn't done anything (except for getting Tick lynched).

TS; grow some balls and put up a fight. We can still win this. One messy mislynch isn't gonna cost us this.

[Timeater]

Maru is probably scum too.

[Timeater]

More like good try on trying to set me up as the lynch for tomorrow. Link is screaming for noclaims because he knows its gonna hurt him. AND LOL at his recent post. I honestly dont have the stamina to go at it or him right now as for his motivations are just so blatantly transparent and obviously scummy. But apparently I have to hold hands. Tomorrow.

I've been lenient with Maruchan, way too lenient. Zdenek if you have any balls at all you will join me in my righteous quest to smite these scummers and stop the mislynch on TS.

Nocase, want to hear from you.

[Timeater]

god

[Timeater]

itt people who think with posts and not their heads

vla few days

[Timeater]

PS if TS is scum I'll never post on MS again

[Timeater]

RYUU

HELLHOUND

WAKEUP AND VOTE LINK

[Timeater]

this is why we should have massclaimed d2

nobody listens to a genius

[Timeater]

hellhound might be lurkscum but at this point I doubt it

there is a whole bunch of analysis i could do but at this point it'd just be ignore because of how I acted earlier in the game

nocase isn't scum
im not scum
ts isnt scum

[Timeater]

I've known HL was scum since D1

[Timeater]

Umm I thought my bullshitting was obvious.

The fact that you are still attacking me over that is not good, considering I'm like one of your only allies.

[Timeater]

I would like to lynch Mar today actually

Wait for nocase

[Timeater]

If you think that's proof your reading of human nature is shit

[Timeater]

Fine looks like lynch is up to nocase

vote: hl

[Timeater]

Does t even necessarily have tobe an sk

[Timeater]

Maruchan

[Timeater]

prod hellhound

[Timeater]

QUIT ACTING LIKE A FUCKING DOWN SYNDROME KID ITS A FUCKING SCUMTELL

[Timeater]

K im done for the night have fun

[Timeater]

I wish people (nocase, timeater) knew how to explain their scumreads

Excuse me?

Shut up terrible bad kid.

Just because someone doesn't have the WILL doesn't mean they dont have the CAPACITY. You are so bad at this game and should have been policy lynched after Tick.

[Timeater]

Posting when I finish my work.

[Timeater]

I'm an artist. What I'm doing is going to take me all day.

[Timeater]

Maruchan's dorkiness was never in question.

What is this you're talking about? Poker? O_O

[Timeater]

The fuck is EM?

[Timeater]

Link, please re-claim and include who you vigged each night, or attempted to vig. No one else answer for him.

Twisted, please re-claim and include who you protected each night, or attempted to protect. No one else answer for him.

Nocase, please full-claim now and include any night actions you have done.

1. Zdenek

- CONFIRMED Vanilla Townie

2.Regfan

- CONFIRMED 2 shot tracker

3. don_johnson

- CONFIRMED Vanilla Townie

4. Hellhound1

CLAIMED TOWNIE

5. Timeater

- CONFIRMED Vanilla Townie

6. Hikari Link

CLAIMED VIG

7. hahonryuu

- CONFIRMED Vanilla Townie

8. nintendoaddict1

- CONFIRMED Strong Doctor

9. Empking

- CONFIRMED Vanilla Townie

10. Twistedspoon

CLAIMED DOC

11. The Tick

- CONFIRMED Scum

12. Maruchan

CLAIMED TOWNIE

13. Nocase (who replaced Ankamius, who replaced DemonHybrid)

NO CLAIM

We have 5 confirmed vanilla townies. Dont give me any bullshit about me not being confirmed. I am fucking undisputed town. If you argue against that, its dumb and scummy. There are 2 other claimed Vanilla townies. One of them is scum. There are not seven vanilla townies in a setup with a strong doc. A guaranteed scum is selected between hellhound and maruchan.

UNVOTE

[Timeater]

Full claim now, Nocase.

[Timeater]

interesting initial response

interesting claim

interesting banter between you and maru

[Timeater]

How is it not relevant?

[Timeater]

very interesting indeed

TS, Link?

[Timeater]

Link are you seeing what I'm seeing

[Timeater]

Vote: Maruchan

This is the only reasonable lynch for today.

Goodnight.

[Timeater]

HL, post something.

[Timeater]

Maruchan + Nocase, GG I win

[Timeater]

TS, Hellhound, HL: Vote Maru lets get this show in the road.

[Timeater]

Or what? LOL FLAIL MORE KID

[Timeater]

Link. Maruchan is not town.

[Timeater]

Sure bra

Vote: Nocase

[Timeater]

TS you are going to have to throw aside your notions about DH/Ank/Case being town because of the D1 blow up. That could have happened to any alignment. Hell, it'd be quite good if it was scum just for those reasons.

Also, the animosity between nocase and maruchan in the last few pages reads as very fake and possibly set up to create a feeling of differing alignments. Also, Nocase's LOLBPCLAIM is very typical and very scummy.

[Timeater]

You dont seem to understand that it is not the towns obligation to explain everything to the scum.