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Yeah, I'd have liked to hear a claim. Also actually catch up.
I read VM's ISO and it wasn't obv either way on first pass.
Some scummy stuff, but long in the way that scum often don't talk that much.
Ah Neruz is clearly scum. So there's that.
I'll try to read others but my startup company is in ADGOFPWS mode so I mostly just have an hour or so each weeknight for the moment.-
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RD is a good player regardless which pony it actually is. So is Ellibereth.
And I like what I see from both so far but I haven't even begun my ISO phase.
If you guys can agree I may just sheep you since I don't think I have time to get through my reading process and have actual good reads before deadline given my work situation.
Scum instinctively avoid dueling town leaders though, which means you either have no idea who they are or are town (or both but moot).
He also didn't actually hammer unless I miscounted.
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I actually went to bed, then as I was lying down to sleep I realized EB is going to try and use EPM's Into Africa moronD1hammer as town as metadefense here.
BUT IN THAT GAME HE ACTUALLY THOUGHT SILAVOR WAS SCUM. AND HE DIDN'T GET LYNCHED FOR THAT HAMMER.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY HE THOUGHT HE COULD GET AWAY WITH QHING HERE, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE MISSING PIECE.
(reminds me of why I thought I could get away with QHing a townread in an ongoing-but-I'm-dead scumgame)
SO YEAH HE DIES EVEN HARDER TOMORROW.-
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Evil Bullet wrote:
Llamarble's faking concern all over the place. Excessive use of allcaps when it's not really in his meta is a good tell.
I can assure you there was plenty of leftshift in don't get slapped in the face by a fish mafia when Ranmaru hammered without reading anything while I was still reading up on replacing in. And even he didn't think the guy he was lynching was town.
VOTE: Evil Bullet
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I actually find counterclaiming in this situation a little weird.
Bullet was going to get lynched anyway, so why out yourself? I think you had the clout to force the lynch through without extra info.
So I have slight rainbow + Bullet vibes now, but Bullet's still clearly scum in any case so w/e.
And we don't need rainbow to clarify things any further.
It's lynchtime.
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I've been in your shoes. They were scum shoes. I made exactly the same argument you are trying to make.
And there are many reasons for scum to do what you did. Blatantly acting anti-town yields balls-points and plays directly to your win condition.
You might have been concerned town would recover its senses and lynch scum and wanted to lock in a townlynch with a juicy wagon for constructing future mislynches before I completed my reread and started smashing things around.
There is NO reason to do what you did as town. I cannot fathom doing that as town. I HAVE DONE what you did as scum.
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I felt kind of like you automatically went onto the wagon that followed after yours.
And then weren't as CHARGE on EB, but I need to finish my read-process anyway.
Is silverbullet good (or just arrogant)?
Cause I don't see EPM as having ego about his reads accuracy compared to any of the ponies or Elli.
But yeah I'm happy to complete my catch up tomorrow.-
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Beck, if we never lynched claimed PRs D1 town winning percentage would be SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER than lynching without claim because it would be impossible to lynch scum D1.
Even night jailkeeper is rather a feeble role anyway. Setup speculation makes me think it's unlikely to be town. Counterclaim makes me think it's VERY unlikely to be town.
EB is still almost certainly the right lynch today, though now I'll actually get to do my readthrough.
And by the way, as scum I ALWAYS say I was town in case something happens and I don't actually die after being hammered.
I do think Neruz is likely town though.
The way people were eager to get off voided onto him means voided lynch isn't bad at all either and is likely what I want tomorrow, but again I have serious reading to do.-
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I am somewhere between neutral and pro-Rainbow-fullclaiming right now.
It's significantly in our favor if she's scum, and scum already know she's some kind of interesting thing so it probably doesn't hurt us much if she's town.
I do doubt she's scum though unless EB also is, since scum don't CC / 1v1 town D1 very often.
Especially good townleadery scum who would expect to last a long time.
And I'm just a bit concerned she'll claim bulletproof and we'll miss out on a nokill/conftown.
And if she claims doctor scum will kill her 100%...
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VOTE: Evil Bullet
My vote is probably here anyway, but I want his blood more than I want Voided's.
The reason he hammered a townread as scum was that he wanted to secure a townlynch and go focus on his other game.
And he thought he'd be able to get away with it because WIFOM shenanigans.
And he prides himself on 'not being stupid scum.' I don't think he would've caved in and gave up alignment after thinking he was hammered.
Especially since I think he probably looked carefully and realized he wasn't.
AND HIS ROLE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH PONY.
Why on earth aren't we lynching him?
Even if it's just 50/50 that is ABSOLUTELY worth it.
And the role he claimed COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE LESS PROVEABLE OR LESS LIKELY TO GET COUNTERCLAIMED (HEH).-
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Odd vig + even jailkeeper has positive synergy for town (JK interferes with vig so it's beneficial for them to go on different nights).
That and yesterday's scumlynch make me much less bullet-lynch-happy.
I suspect either WV or Banshee was the bussing scum.
And any of Neruz/Hiphop/Implosion could be the offwagon scum. Though there was that hiphop thing which was bizarre and may have made him town?
RD counterclaiming EB is suspicious ish now but not really considering lynchdrive.
I need to go look for evidence of daytalk.
Also we'e going to be on the records page for third largest D1 ever in a mini!-
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implosion wrote:
weirdvoigts is probably town. 55 indicates genuine scumhunting, especially with how Thomith has been acting. Their other posts have also felt generally genuine.
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WV wrote:I'm going to answer Thomith's question to Bvoigt for him, as we already discussed this and agree. These are the four motivations you may have for defending Thomith:
1. You are scum defending a townie so that if he flips town, you get townpoints.
2. You are scum defending a buddy, this is less likely due to the obviousness of the defense.
3. You are scum defending a townie trying to fake a reaction, but overdid it.
4. You are town defending someone you legitimately think is town.
Those are the four possible motivations I can think of. As you can see that's a pretty good chance that you are scum.
There are four possible motivations, WV, for you pushing a lynch on Thomith:
1. You are scum pushing a townie to get a mislynch.
2. You are scum pushing a buddy to get towncred from a bus.
3. You are scum tunneling on a townie so that you don't have to focus on too many other people.
4. You are town legitimately pushing on someone you think is scum.
Apply the above argument to, well...every single person in this game.I guess everyone in this game is probable scum. Oh, wait...
GreyICE wrote:You know that the majority of players possess the Town Win Condition.
Your argument is flawed because just because there are more possible scum motivations than town motivations, it doesn't mean that all four motivations are equally likely. The town motivation is by far more likely than any of the other threesimply by virtue of there being more town than nontown in this game.
Talk about cults is stupid. It was sarcastic to begin with, I'm pretty sure.
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Voidedmafia - somewhere between null leaning town and town.
weirdvoigts - don't know. mixed feelings at this point.
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Massclaim is better than 3 different softclaims + even night JK + oddnightvig, one of which is almost definitely scum by virtue of waytoomanynamedroles.
Lets do the claims and figure out which is scum and lynch them.
Enough stuff has been claimed for scum to play nightgame optimally.
Now lets claim enough stuff for town to play optimally too.-
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Banshee wrote:
What made EB town for you between yesterday and today?
Was it the fact he survived overnight despite his claim?
How did that work, exactly?
Llamarble wrote:Odd vig + even jailkeeper has positive synergy for town (JK interferes with vig so it's beneficial for them to go on different nights).
That and yesterday's scumlynch make me much less bullet-lynch-happy.-
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Hrm, there are a lot of ponies. I'm not confident I've correctly IDed Rainbow anymore, but w/e.
I skimmed, and my first impression was that Voided was scum.
He wasn't obvious scum though, especially due to the amount of effort he seemed to be putting in.
I make cases when I'm ready to lynch people or want to point out something specific.-
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We are massclaiming, so RD will claim eventually.
We have 3 weird softclaimed PRs, an even night Jailkeeper, and a dead odd night vig.
That feels like too much power, so I think there's a good chance massclaiming will catch us a scumbag.
At worst it will help a lot with figuring out what's going on / getting better reads.-
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