Mini 1234: Masquerade Mafia [Game Over]

[Whiskers]

I mean, No space in the name-- standard for Applejack, not so much for Rainbow Dash. Also, non-capitalized letters for the second half of each name-- again, could be written both ways, but Applejack looks a little funny.

Furthermore, adding a location related to the character, but not technically/necessarily where that character would live-- RD doesn't

live

in Cloudsdale anymore, she just grew up there. Applejack technically lives and works on her farm-- Sweet Apple Acres-- but that is still technically regarded as part of Ponyville, last time I checked.

Also, both listing their Gender, which I still haven't done.
__

FURTHERMORE, A pony who only joined two days ago, and decides she's ready to replace into a 50 page on her first go? Okay, so it's obviously an alt. a
I just want to make sure it's not the alt of anypony who was already in this game.

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About to read.

[Whiskers]

There's a reason why I'm playin' under an Applejack alt. I owe GLaDOS a favor for replacin' me in this game, and GLaDOS PMed me askin' me if I could replace into this game. No information changed hands between us. I thought it'd be funny to take on the same roleplayin' persona that the two of us did in that linked game. Also, Papa Zito sent me a PM yesterday verifyin' my identity, and I presumed it was for this game considerin' that this is a Mini Normal.

Still, if necessary, I'm willin' to shoot the mod a PM from my main account, and a quick IP check should show that Equinox and GLaDOS are not the same person and that Rainbowdash and I are not the same person.

kk.

that's all I ask.
If somepony has time, the check would be great, but the fact that you're willing to give me the information makes me

considerably

less worried.

[Whiskers]

Kk. Thank you, that's all! ^__^

[Whiskers]

Mainly the part about her rarin' to catch up.
Mist Beauty, shortly after said "rarin'," decided to

disapparate

-- forgive me, spellcheck does not like colloquialisms (I now realize).

[Whiskers]

How long after her prod before Mist can be replaced?

[Whiskers]

Better make it fucking speedy then.

[Whiskers]

Nope, you're not even online. Here's what I have to say:

No dice:

Hindsight is 20/20. Every time you attack somepony for trying to lynch town, you act as though she already knew that player was town.

Also, the vig/sk killed subgenius, not albert. The Scum killed Albert. Beck (SK/Vig) killed Subgenius.

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Why would a player hide their online status? I don't even understand that.

[Whiskers]

As in, you die when you successfully block a kill?

Also, I wonder about your analysis-- I'm incredibly scummy until I attack Beck, at which point I'm 100% town.
Also, you keep championing Guthrie (your predecessor) like he did a great job catching Tarsonisocelot, but later go on to defend him from RDash and say that you admit to him not doing a lot.

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Note, Guthrie was a lurker all game.
I'll go back to his ISO and see when his activity stopped.

That said, Good catch.

If Mist flips scum, Charlie is all but cleared. Rainbowdash not so.

[Whiskers]

Mist Beauty, I believe you've just been lynched.

What do you think about ThAdmiral?

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I

told

you not to bother catching up.

That said, you've brought some points to attention.

Beck: If Mist flips scum, shoot... idk, I want to say Rainbow Dash. If Mist is scum, Charlie is cleared.

If Mist flips town, don't shoot?

I was actually going to suggest a no-lynch, and that you vig yourself, so we can count you as Not Serial Killer.

[Whiskers]

I really reall reaylly hope you flip scum, it means Charlie is cleared, and that would be fucking awesome.

[Whiskers]

BEck, you are getting a little defensive.

[n] unvote vote beck [/b]

It checks out-- Guthrie's last post was here, it's over two hundred posts (eight pages) between that post and The end of Day 2.

Also, Mist Beauty, I think you're okay with having posted after having been hammered-- I'm pretty sure we have Twilight, do we not?

[Whiskers]

I looked at the rules, Nowhere does it say you're Not allowed to post after you've been hammered.

Beck, I'm inclined to say, just don't shoot, but I'm not sure if that's any more of a viable option than shooting and risking town.

Everypony: What about RainbowDash/GLaDOS? Buddies? just asking.

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I need your reads on the lurkers-- That's yourself, ThAdmiral, and GLaDOS.

I need you to name scum

teams

.

[Whiskers]

*Prospective Scumteams.

[Whiskers]

I would rather have him not shoot and die than shoot and be wrong. If he does not shoot and becomes dead, it means I am not dead.

Then again, Charlie and Rainbowdash could easily convince ThAdmiral or probably even Applejack to lynch me-- game over, scumwins.

Yeah, Beck, go ahead and shoot-- that is, if Mist flips town, shoot Charlie.

If flips scum... idk. Shoot yourself? No, I don't know. I don't know who's the obvious Scumpartner here!

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I'll have to thin k on that a little, what you said didn't make sense to me right away.

Rainbowdash, if Mist flips scum, who does Beck shoot?

[Whiskers]

EBQOP: Okay... I think I get it.

But then all we do is analyse Mist's cases for likely wifom, scumpartnering, and players she ignored. Oh, and bussing. If she flips scum, we don't look at it via face-value.

If she flips scum, do Not shoot Charlie.

[Whiskers]

BEck, you are getting a little defensive.

[n] unvote vote beck [/b]

It checks out-- Guthrie's last post was here, it's over two hundred posts (eight pages) between that post and The end of Day 2.

Mist is scum Pinkie. Look at when she replaced: N2, the next day the cop claimed. So the entire arguement there is that she replaced into the game, got a PR, and then decided she was not going to bother to read the game until the next day. Is anypony going to draw bodyguard and then not read the game while passing on a night action? No.

Mist is scum who was probably trying to draw out a town PR. We have had a cop, a vig claim, a nieghborizer, the only category that has not been claimed is protective.

My last post should say:

Why does it matter-- why are you trying to convince me that she's scum? Her flip will reveal all. If she were really scum, I think she'd have shut up a long time ago. If she is scum, we ignore everything after she realized she'd been hammered, as it'd be all to mislead us.

If she's town, not so.

[Whiskers]

Rainbowdash, tlel me who Beck should shoot if Mist flips scum, tell me Right Now!


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No, he doesn't HAVE to shoot. Why the hell would you say that?

If he kills himself, he takes the kill away from scum or maybe overlaps the kill with scum. If he kills himself, we know he is not an SK.
I don't think we have the resources to risk it right now, so I think he should Not kill himself.

Mist, if Rainbowdash was scum, why would

she

keep posting and saying you're scum (if you're not?).

[Whiskers]

Frankly, RainbowDash, Beck is going to shoot

me

.

I am confident that Charlie would not have "busted up the claim," had they been scumpartners. Also, the reads Misty gave weren't against Charlie. Scum-Charlie wouldn't have needed to Quick hammer, since the read on him was town or something.

Unless he's really paranoid, or wanted to and the Day, or-- oh Charlie, why did you

do

that!?

[Preedit]

RainbowDash is Not confirmed Scum. If you flip scum, Mist, there's a possibility of a HUGE amount of bussing. If you flip town, Sure, We'll look real hard at RD. But if you flip scum, We'll still look at her.
Now, for the important bit:

Why the hell should he not shoot?

'Because I'm not confident that he'll accurately kill the mafia.

He's dead at the end of this phase, NO ONE can save him.

So what? how does that have any impact on whether he should shoot or not?

He can kill RainbowDash, confirmed scum.

Or not, since RD is NOT confirmed in any way, no more than you are.

What is this bullshit about shooting himself?

A viable move, confirming to us his alignment?

Regardless of what he does, he is the scum kill for this night phase, UNLESS HE IS SCUM.

Why does it sound like you're setting him up to not die and then have your scumbuddies lynch him for not being dead? Also, he is Not Necessarily the kill of choice if you flip town, because you put a good deal of suspicion on him in your readthrough commentary. In fact, I'd say

I[/i] am the nightkill of choice, for being everypony's top town read (except for Beck, ofcourse, who thinks I am scum I guess). Add this to the Wifom you've just generated, and Beck May or May not die tonight.

It doesn't matter if he kills himself, or kills someone else, scum WILL USE THEIR KILL ON HIM if he is vig/SK.

NOT NECESSARILY, BUT THANKS FOR ALL THE WIFOM AND IGNORING YOUR OWN READS.

Why would an SK kill himself???

He wouldn't, DUH. Which is exactly why Beck WOULD, to prove himself a vig, and not an SK.

He should kill scum.

Great, if he aims correctly, he will kill scum. If not, he'll kill town.
Please, let's not forget the fact that he could still be the SK and say, "Oh, I'm sorry, I accidentally killed town, but I'm 0-for3, oh well!" So he "should kill scum" is bull, because, If I remember correctly, An SK can joint-win with Mafia.

This post is full of crap, what is this???

I don't even!!!

[Whiskers]

*Also, I'm only posting because we're all under the assumption that I am a town bodyguard.

I think 2 of us agree that there are no scum motivations for this, only scum want there to be less information.

Incorrect, Scum want to cause confusion and mayhem.

Dash, the only reason I can be scum is potential role fishing, please point out if I ask someone a question that involves ole fishing. I think that if you are town, it is in your best interests to answer some of my and Whiskers' questions. Whisker as well.

Did you

have

a question for me? I'm happy to answer it.

Are you guys okay with this? (Dash, I understand that excuses pop up for scum that need to escape, like math test/thunderstorm, keep us posted)

I don't knwo where/what site you come from, but from what I understand, we don't do that here. It's a bannable/blacklistable offense.

[Whiskers]

That said, my internet is about to shut off for the night (about 5 hours) and I won't be able to make a substantial post from my Wii.

[Whiskers]

Charlie and ThAdmiral, if the both of ya can either summarize or link me ta the cases ya have on each other, that'd be right helpful. Thanks in advance.

He hammered mist after she had claimed bodyguard. He didn't give her time to respond to his accusation that she should have protected the cop. As it turned out she had a perfectly understandable reason why she didn't. It is clear to me he saw a chance to hammer the doc and get away with it and took it.

@Charlie: He means you hammered first, talked after. When it was completely viable to talk first, then hammer.

I don't believe beck didn't shoot. Although if he was going to shoot whiskers it's probably for the best.

Thank god.

[Whiskers]

Innocent Townie.

My thoguhts on Charlie/ThAdmiral:

I felt better about Charlie when she explained herself.
Idk about ThAdmiral, he's damn lurky.
I am more suspicious of you since Mist barfed those suspicions all over.

I am still
ThAdmiral, Charlie, RainbowDash, GLa-- wait no, Applejack.

[Whiskers]

No, but that's the problem-- lurking scum will lurk, and we will ignore it.

Look what happened with tarsonisocelot. It's the same sort of case here, only we don't have a cop to save us.

[Whiskers]

Okay, well, I give you what I felt going into the Night. I also was confused about Beck, and I have mixed emotions there because he's a pretty strong player, but he'd be pushing for my lynch on next to nothing.

Before you say I'm pushing a ThAdmiral lynch on next to nothing, please not that I'm not pushing any lynch whatsoever. I don't knw who is scum, although I, like many others, am considering Applejack to be my top town read. Of the rest of you, I am fairly suspicious, and don't really know where to go.

How many scum is it speculated that we have left? Two, considering the fact that we had a vig and not a SK?

[Whiskers]

fos: Rainbowdash for being wrong about every vote, lynch, and read so far-- oh, except monk and, I guess, Mister Albert.
Why

was

Mister Albert a town-read for you, anyway?

fos: ThAdmiral for lurking mostly. Let me ISO him, but mark my words, lurkers will make us lose this.

fos: Charlie, idr why. I had a case/ISO-analysis on you, iirc, I posted it yesterday. You managed to talk away each of the points. I'll be looking at your response post to that toDay as well.

[Whiskers]

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4.)

Rainbowdash, I love ya, but yer really startin’ to sound like a broken apple cart this game – readin’ yer posts, ya keep hoofin’ ‘round the same things. It’s feelin’ like yer putting on an act to look like yer being thoughtful and all, but it’s not feelin’ real ta me.

Disagree. As I mentioned it looks like her town meta to me. Admittedly I've only been in the one game with her.

Defends RainbowDash. I'll have too look at GLaDOS's posts and the ones that surround it.

Some douche who's been avoiding the game posts. His names Tha... oh.

Tarson, you just said he isn't mafia but are voting him. Explain how this makes sense?

The goal is to lynch mafia, you clearly said he isn't mafia, yet you vote him?

vote: tarson

I think this might be a reading comprehension fail. I mean I don't love tarson's vote either, because she doesn't seem all that convinced by it herself, but she didn't say that.
I'm keeping an eye on it. If it is just for pressure, fine. If, like monk, theamateur responds positively and the vote stays for a stupid justified reason then tarsonis shoots up my scum chart.

Defends tarson. Sounds like Tarson voting theamateur here, and I don't remember that. I'll have to check out the surrounding posts.

What's interesting to me is that both ThAdmiral and Charlie came to theamateur's rescue.

I don't think I'm coming to his rescue; it's more that I think out of the two of monk and theamateur monk is way more likely to be mafia. Theamateur is being beligerant, monk is being scummy. Vis-a-vis votes should be on monk instead.

Unfortunately because of the monk/theamateur game on Day 1, almost no Day 2, and a Day 3 that gave us little new information, anypony who had an opinion on monk/theamateur but had no other opinions, or no other

strong

opinions ends up falling null.

Everypony on the theamateur wagon-- what if I hammered right now?

This question is terrible and pointless. Sounds like you're planning to judge reactions to see if you could get away with it.

That's exact-- well, I was planning to judge reactions, that is.

What you should be asking if you're town: "do I think theamateur is scummy enough to hammer?". If you genuinely think yes, then go ahead.

theamateur claims vanilla town.

bottom of page 14. Stopping there for the evening. Should have time again tomorrow. (gradually creeping my way back!)

I didn't think that.

But while what you said felt good in my head when I read it, I am beginning to feel as though it' because you just repeated what everypony else as saying at the time.-- seeing what the popular opinion was and agreeing with it.
That's your sixth post in the game, btw.

[Whiskers]

Rainbow Dash, I need your reads,

Now,

Please.

[Whiskers]

Also, I found that tarson's bloc consists of:
monk, Rainbowdash, tarson.
that saying, there is definitely 1 town in there and 1 scum.
So, there is at least 1, possibly 2, but not 3.
So yeah, one or both of tarson and monk is scum.
Looking closer for something else though

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuu...!!

[Whiskers]

Also, ThAdmiral, I need your reads ASAP, too.

[Whiskers]

Not impossible. That's all I'll say until I get reads from RD and TA. I've got drafts of posts in the works.

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How about you post me your damn reads?

[Whiskers]

What, behind everypony else? As usual?

[Whiskers]

ThAd, there's enough support for her to push

any

lynch.

[Whiskers]

Luckily, you don't, as we're in lynch or lose.

Charlie, ThAdmiral, why hasn't scum hammered one of you?

[Whiskers]

As long as Rainbowdash keeps making excuses, I am going to have to wait.

Sorry guys, but consider this game out of service until she can post again. Anything any of you post will end up being used against town.

V/LA: Until RainbowDash re-reads.

[Preedit] Also until I remake my whole list of fucking reads and shit, because my computer is a piece of shit and ate it.

So, V/LA until I get a new computer, since I'll be crushing this one at my earliest convenience.

[Whiskers]

Okay, well, I disagree. The game needs to 100% freeze.

Also, I'm looking for a concrete list from you. Not just, "oh, some ponies over here are town." You will tell me in order who is most scummy-- no, rather, you will tell me in order who you most strongly believe is scum. you will include yourself in the list. You do not have to give reasons, you just need to post them honestly.

[Whiskers]

Charlie, ThAdmiral, why hasn't scum hammered one of you?

Because one of us is scum. *BOOM*

(hint: it's charlie)

@ applejack: actually my summary of why I'm town is pretty good. If you need me to elaborate, ask.

Fixed this for you!

Also until I remake my whole list of fucking reads and shit, because my computer is a piece of shit and ate it.

So, V/LA until I get a new computer, since I'll be crushing this one at my earliest convenience.

While I look down upon your deluge of vile words, I might be able to help you find your draft/note before you resort to doing this:

The forum has a weird feature where it separates normal drafts & PM drafts. Check both these areas:

1) User Control Panel > Overview > Manage drafts
2) User Control Panel > Private messages > Manage PM drafts

Of course, this is assuming you've saved your notes using local features. I don't blame the computer; I usually blame the pony between the chair and the keyboard.

Actualy, no. I used the word processor, saved my three pages of notes, restarted my computer (since it spontaneously dsconnected from the internet, twice, and there's nothing to reconnect it except restarting it), brought the file back up, everything was gone. Yes, I saved, if I hadn't, the file wouldn't have been there at all, let alone empty.

And actually, I have a more powerful replacement lined up already. I just need to transfer files over and take the screen out of this one.

[Whiskers]

I'd agree there-- although, I"m tainted by having read back through. Mostly, the defense of Tarsonisocelot is that she didn't think tarsonisocelot would put that much power over into town hooves.

Frankly, I'm not certain she did.

Rainbowdash, how would you describe your behaviour toward Fluttershy up until

her

lynch?

[Whiskers]

And I rainbowdash.
Answer my question (on friday or w/e) I'm 'll look through my notes and see if I can remember where I was going with it.

It would be better if you answer my question before re-reading.

[Whiskers]

Precicely. Lurkers will lose this game. Whether or not one of us is scum, as the active pair, we -- wait, no, you lurked all throughout the game until Day 3.
Why

is

that? I'm not even hunting, I just want to know what was going on.

[Whiskers]

Okay, well, I disagree. The game needs to 100% freeze.

Also, I'm looking for a concrete list from you. Not just, "oh, some ponies over here are town." You will tell me in order who is most scummy-- no, rather, you will tell me in order who you most strongly believe is scum. you will include yourself in the list. You do not have to give reasons, you just need to post them honestly.

[Whiskers]

Sure. Fine.

[Whiskers]

Whiskers: who are you leaning towards?

I was going to say (in that post), but I realized that

that

would have influenced the kill as well.

We've two scum, correct?

[Whiskers]

I'll be finding connections between my tops later.

Remember--

Friendship is LAUGHTER~!

[Whiskers]

Sure. Fine.

You mean Okie Dokie Loki right? Or is this Pinkamena switch back again.

I think I actually am in part waiting for other ponies right now.

@Thad - Do you think Whiskers is town, if so how much are you willing to put behind that read?

Who are you waiting on? Because before you were "waiting for other ponies" were waiting until Friday-- and I'm pretty sure you don't have any questions out right now.

[Whiskers]

My stuff will likely be fragmented, since I'm not going at this all at once.

Monk's reads were bad-- none of her scumreads flipped (or will flip) scum. I will be disregarding them.

Monk and tTheamatuer came to a peaceful co-existance until Beck, Tarsonisocelot, Guthrie (iirc), and Rainbowdash stired them up again an got the dual wagons up and going again. [preedit: and Subgenius. This is around pages 7 and 8.]

I think monk got suckered into being the only townie in an All Townie Voting Block. RainbowDash defended Tarsonisocelot all day long for muchly no reason. I will come back to this later, but so far in my experience, Rainbowdash's gut town reads that she defends heavily have a higher likelyhood of flipping scum.
Rainbowdash even goes so far as to vote for monk for infidelity, but never never votes for tarsonisocelot.

[Whiskers]

Well, looks like I was at least part right regarding Tarson in that there was no way scum was going to be ballsy enough to essentially give me control of a voting block. Don't like SKs, never can read them.

Cop is enough to end this day with minimal discussion. Don't think anypony is derpy enough here to let the SK live either since they are under no obligation to kill scum at this stage of the game.

Vote Tarson

Until here, that is.

Gives a lot of credit to tarson's SK claim, pushes for a quick Day end, which she gets. Day 2 yields little informatino because of it.

[Whiskers]

Letting scum live is not playing to my wincon.

I am a serial killer, my aim is to survive.
Once outed, the best way to survive is to play pet for the town.
You think monk is scum and rainbow is scum.
I think monk is scum, which makes you town, so when monk flips scum then I will kill rainbow for you even though I feel they are playing to their town-meta, and hope that the cop has another guilty result tomorrow.

Thikns monk is scum, but put her in the voting block.
Offers to kill Rainbowdash, when there's very little liklyhood of her surviving through the Day to give strength to her claim (she'd be outted by then anyway-- there would only be one kill, not two).

This is null, I suppose, but sticks out. Intereactions between Rainbowdash and PrincessCelestia? They are there, and they are real. Nopony can deny that there were a lot of them. But I think that instead of ignoring them, we need to go back and look closely at them, inspect them. Because yes, there were a lot of interactions (town voting block), Tarson doesn't talk about RD as much as RD defends Tarson.

[Whiskers]

Oh? Then why are you waiting on me?

Anyway, I am waiting for Double Vote to be over-- hoping it will be soon-- so I can use it against you.

Where has your gut been good, Rainbowdash? because I start out saying, "oh, she's good, I want to sheep her," and then I look at your play and think more and more that it's less likely that you're that accurate, and more likely that you're scum, especially when you give out town reads for no reason.

Why did you help to stir the fight back up between monk and theamatuer?

[Whiskers]

I can't. As soon as I vote wrong-- you or Charlie, RainbowDash will swoop down for the hammer and good game over, scum.

[Whiskers]

Rainbow, be flat out serious about this: You oted for monk because she said she had theamatuer as a town read.

[Whiskers]

Then voting him because there was a group of four or five ponies trying to keep his wagons up.

[Whiskers]

No, actually it doesn't mean that.
It means that when I vote incorrectly, Rainbowdash, if scum, will deliver the hammer.

[Whiskers]

Why aren't You pushing for ThAdmiral's lynch harder? I haven't seen a case on him yet.
That said, yeah, if ThAdmiral is capable of those great catch up posts, he should be more than able to make a case against you. Right? Since He was saying his own opinions as he read through, not just stating the conclusions everypony else had come to by he time he posted. Right?

Right?

Applejack does need to post more. I'll go and ISO Rainbowdash.

[Whiskers]

And no, It wasn't an insult, no matter what the intent. Pinkie Pie has an intuition like no other.
Where Twilight Sparkle misses social cues,
Rainbow Dash is too forceful, and gets hung up on one little thing,
Fluttershy wouldn't dare to step out of her comfort zone,
Rarity's code of honor restricts her view,
Applejack only understands an obvious representation of the truth,

Pinkie Pie has reasonable suspicion, and often in the right places. When she is wrong, she can be easily corrected.

ThAdmiral: Twitch-a-twitch.

[Whiskers]

Coffee? Sounds like Applejack's been spending too much time in Canterlot!!

[Whiskers]

Why aren't You pushing for ThAdmiral's lynch harder? I haven't seen a case on him yet.

And no, It wasn't an insult, no matter what the intent. Pinkie Pie has an intuition like no other.
Where Twilight Sparkle misses social cues,
Rainbow Dash is too forceful, and gets hung up on one little thing,
Fluttershy wouldn't dare to step out of her comfort zone,
Rarity's code of honor restricts her view,
Applejack only understands an obvious representation of the truth,

Pinkie Pie has reasonable suspicion, and often in the right places. When she is wrong, she can be easily corrected.

ThAdmiral: Twitch-a-twitch.

Hnnnnnngggggg! Pay attention, Whiskers! My case is one of Mist Beauty/ThAdmiral and a one of Applejack (previously GLaDOS)/Rainbowdash with you as wildcard. And as for your second post above, I feel like giving you a lecture all about haute couture & prêt-à-porter.

Um... Rarity? You know ist Beauty flipped town, right?
I looked at your ISO a little bitsy bit anyway, and I didn't see the case right away, so I came here to type out this! You know how hard it is to type with hooves? I saw a movie once where a pony had these sticks that came out of her legs, so I think this is really for the best anyway, so could you

link

me to your case on them, puh-leeeeese?

Also--
...Um, what?

[Whiskers]

ThAdmiral & RainbowDash:

Yes, yes, I know, I'm getting killed tonight. Don't you have anything more substantial to say?

ThAdmiral:

I want you to go into screaming foals, if need be. I need your

case

, because without it, I'm voting for you.

Charlie:

"Lesson Zero" had so much Nightmare Moon fuel that I had to stop several times throughout to gather my wits and remind myself that it was on the other side of the screen.

Applejack:

If you don't have anything useful to say, don't fucking post until you're ready to, or you're prompted by a player. Posting, "Oh, I'm not ready yet" is dumb, imo.

ThAdmiral:

your VCA was pretty useless. Why do any of the wagons give you any reads? It's like you're working on the premise that any living players were on a wagon will look scummy-- hay, consider that that's the only kind of players left.

Rainbowdash:

Why are you being useless and what's "Phase Two"?

~Pinkamena Diane Pie~

[Whiskers]

Don't worry, if we think you're taking too long, we'll put you in a saddle and give you the spurs. Rarity can help you with color and sizing, and once we've got you outfitted, I'll ride you all day long.

We'll have a party, just you and me.

Oh, and Rarity, of course! She's got all the best toys.

[Whiskers]

I see you've found a silly picture (shop'd, btw), have you found your place in the thread so you can keep reading?

[Whiskers]

ThAdmiral:

I want you to go into screaming foals, if need be. I need your

case

, because without it, I'm voting for you.

Take some responsibility. You are ultimately going to have to make the decision of who to vote. If you want to cop out and vote me by default because I haven't laid a case before your feet that's your problem.
As I've asked previously: what do you think about me and charlie?

I am taking responsibility. Since we seem to be going 1/1, I will need to vote between you. You don't want me to vote you? Then take some responsibility. It's your job to lay a case at my feet. That's your fucking problem.

What do I think of you? I think you're lazy and don't really care about the game. I think Charlie is trying, at least, but that's wifom, since maybe she's scum trying to look town by trying.
But you're not even trying to look town by trying to play the game. you're being useless.

You had all that great insight while you were catching up, why don't you have anything now?

[Whiskers]

@Whiskers: Ahaha, I must admit that I snickered a little too loud at that #1407. If I were somewhere public then it would be socially awkward.

I guess we don't have to do it somewhere public... Sometimes it's really

exciting

to do it in public though.

I'm going to leave ThAdmiral alone to ask silly questions to Whiskers while I ask my own to Applejack:

@Applejack: Well you're certainly not caught up. 18 pages in a 57 page game, which the majority was at a fast pace. Still, you must know some of the key facts which are 1) there was a cop claim which led to a Mafia lynch D2 albeit quickly and 2) There was a bodyguard claim on D3 with a dead cop, which I promptly hammered & was accused by ThAdmiral of scum quickhammer.

I would like to point out that RainbowDash's reads and votes have been all over the place, ThAdmiral only has any townpoints at all because his late late late catch-up-posts were "...nice," Charlie quickhammered town yesterday (see below), and that GLaDOS, your slot, played much the same way you're doing-- slowly, and infrequently.

##ANOTHER EVENT that you may pay attention to: In Day 1, there was a huge

monk vs. theamatuer

fight. Around where you stopped reading, they were coming to town reads on each other, but then some of the players stirred up the fight between them.
##ANOTHER EVENT that might interest you, Day 2, tarsonisocelot, with a cop-guilty on her, claimed Serial Killer. Look at reactions.
##ANOTHER EVENT that is pretty nifty is that on Day 1, there was the whole thing about the Town-Voting-Block. I want you to look long and hard at reactions there.

Note to self: Charlie's reaction.

That, he believes, is the scummiest thing I've done and is the reason he is currently voting for me. To which, my response is.... er, how do you put this nicely?

Utter horseapples

.

I won't elaborate on the details because I need you to see for yourself and make a judgement call -- so would you kindly skip to page 39 and give on your opinions from there? For thoroughness sake you

should

go in chronology but after you made that last post, I feel this form of "motivation by player prod" is more useful (I know it works for me in a previous Large Game long ago)

What's on page 39 that Applejack needs to focus on...? Because ponially, I think that about where Applejack stopped is a wealth of information and I'd like to see another pony's reads on that section to compare to my own.

Also, because of this line:

I'll definitely make it well before deadline to leave room for whatever discussion needs to occur, though.

I'm holding you to your word. I'll refrain from asking specific questions which may bias your opinions before reread and thus leading to more confusion.

As will I. Er, hold you to your word, I mean. Truth-teller, truth-teller.

Keep in mind I'm firmly of the opinion that ThAdmiral is Mafia; & believe that one of yourself/Rainbowdash is Mafia (lopsided content making reads difficult) with Whiskers as wildcard (many points to ask)

You may as well just ask them, because you will find me dead upon the morrow.

Note to self: look for connections and lack of interactions.

[Whiskers]

Charlie, I'm kind of leaning on you for your reads and stuff. Because if I don't die toNight, then YOU will. I'm about ready to vote ThAdmiral and say, "This will give Applejack a Loooong time to catch up during the Night." \

Hey, hey, so I'm impatient Pie.

So, give me ThADmiral scumteams.

Actually, RainbowDash, you need to give me reads too.Make your tems.

[Whiskers]

Actually, RainbowDash, you need to give me reads too.Make your tems.

My reads are what they have been since the day started more or less. I think Charlie is scum with either Thad or AJ.

As I said, there is no point in actually giving teams apart from that to me.

I at least have given my reasons for thinking Charlie is scum, you are still not really giving me any reason why you are leaning the opposite direction.

I don't get it. Why?
ThAdmiral has barly any activity. After the tone he set with his catchup posts, he should be able to do really good stuff now.
He;s also being a jerk, not trying to defend himself, not trying to attack any other player-- Dude,

DO

something, if you don't want to get lynched.

Rainbowdash, link me to your case on Charlie.

Applejack, hurry up then. What do you think of my post #1414? Post your thoughts as you read through. Do it.

[Whiskers]

Hey, hey, I"m a busy busy pony! I've got parties to plan and... uh...

after

-parties! Yeah. Yeah...

*ships Appjejack with Apple Cider*

so, ThAdmiral and RainbowDsh for scumteam? I'll look into it

@Rainbpowdash: Did you ever go back an read up on ThAdmiral?

@Charlie: In post #135

5

, you said you'd deal with Rainbowdash later, fterApplejack finished her read through. Is it that big of a deal, or can you "deal with her" now?

[Whiskers]

It was explained shortly thereafter. I had, at that point, decided not to hammer theamateur, but was gaging reactions.

[Whiskers]

Oh, I'm sorry Dashie, but I don't see your name on the list! I can't let just anypony in here, you know!

[Whiskers]

RainbowDash: please link me to a scum-game in which you bussed heavily.

[Whiskers]

Please link me to games where you replaced out. Ongoing is fine. You don't have to tell me your role, or anything about the game, just ones where you were in and replaced out.

[Whiskers]

Rage.


Were there two or more ongoing games that you replaced out of? Or one or fewer?

Is your wiki page up to date?

[Whiskers]

JESUS CHRIST.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF I SHOULD BOTHER SPENDING ALL THE TIME LOOKING THROUGH AAAAALL OF YOUR GAMES TO SEE IF YOU REQUESTED REPLACEMENT OUT OF THEM.

HOOOOOOOOLY BALLS.

Nevermind. Just Never Mind. I Am Going Now, To Look. Then I Will FOS You, Saying That You Replace Out Of Games In Which You Are Scum.

Also, We'll Get To Work On Your Wiki Page. Now Won't We?

[Whiskers]

Would it be offensive to ask you, "Who

are

you an alt of?"

[Whiskers]

It's not that I think you're an alt because you are a decent player--
You are an alt because your appear to be a semi (

tiny

) roleplaying account, because you jumped right into the middle of an ongoing game with no newbie tutoring shit or anything-- Your style of play (meta, I mean, like how you sign up for games) makes me think you are an alt.

I won't press it further, since I know that, if

I

were to make an alt, I'd not tell anypony, and I'd even probably lie and say it was my main account.
____

Yes, it appears you only replaced out of one game-- in a way very much similar to the way GLaDOS replaced out of

this

game.

Ongoing,

and while I'd like the evidence from that game, this game will finish first

so I won't bring it up again.

Who is the second player on the scumteam? I know you have reasons for not wanting to answer this, but I hope you breadcrumbed it somewhere?

Iiuc, your case on Charlie is that her interaction with tarson and with me is weird? I agree-- that's why I haven't voted ThAdmiral yet.

THADMIRAL, YOU NEED TO POST SOME CONTENT, OR I WILL LYNCH YOU. IF IT ENDS THE GAME, SO BE IT.

That said, if you have a legitimate reason to not be posting and stuff, I'll forgive you, but you have to either post something or tell me why not.

Applejack, where are you right now? (In your reads). Post this at the end of the night, when you'd post your findings anyway.

Dear Princess Celestia:
Why hasn't Charlie responded to Rainbowdash's case against her yet?

[Whiskers]

I hope you've been taking copious notes.

Oh, and will post them, I mean.

[Whiskers]

Greeeeaaaaaaaat....

THAT

'll be useful. Notes in Day 2 are going to be stupid, and I'm pretty sure that I ALREADY TOLD YOU that SHORTLY AFTER PAGE 17 was a trove of information, which you apparently ignored. What's your case on Charlie?

As far as I can tell, anything after Day 1 is going to be useless.

Dashie, you're such a filly sometimes.

[Whiskers]

For the record

Dasher, dancer, prancer, and vixen all voted for essentially no reason what so ever

Vixen voted cause she doesn't like trolls. The other 3 just blindly sheepity sheep sheeped

Dasher - rainbow
Dancer - candy mountain Charlie
Prancer - rampage aka Lurker
Vixen - Tarson

[Whiskers]

He says that I am defending tarsonis by attacking him

Ups, forgot to answer this. Re-reading..

I haven't noticed that, i have no idea if your are chainsawing or not..

I'm starting to suspect of Whiskers being scum.

SubGenius makes a good point on post 359.


I like this sentence form Beck, its how i feel too:

I guess either lynch is fine, but the resistance to monk seems to me monk is more likely to flip scum

Whiskers goddammit put your vote where your mouth is. You want me lynched then vote for me, the magical voting fairies are not going to do it for you

THIS! If you are town, you don't ask to be voted for god sake..That's bad for us.
But if you are scum...Thats something i would say.

Whiskers playstyle shift noted.
Rainbowdash's defensive responses noted.
VOTE: Whiskers

Fos

:Charlie. Noted.

Tarson said this on post 440: .

I do count an extremely fast wagon with little obvious cause to be a towntell, but not the converse.

Thats why i don't agree with the whiskers wagon going on, and rather stay on the monk wagon.

Fos

for voting someone who has a town teel acording to you.

Nota bene: I consider there to be an obvious cause for the Whiskers wagon to grow now.

-Princess Celestia

Actually, YOUR wagon seems way more interesting than monk's.

unvote Vote Tarson

Still reading

Leaning town on Beck and subgenius.

Off to read Guthrie, who has comparitively good reads.

[Whiskers]

In fact I think there are too many inconsistencies for me to let this pass
VOTE: theamateur

This I don't like. It really looks like you asked theamateur a question that you weren't going to like the answer to no matter what he said. Imo he answered as truthfully as possibly - he said he didn't have any strong reads but he put forward the things that did stand out most to him. At this stage in my read through I don't have any strong reads so I can completely sympathise with him, but this is definitely the first thing I really haven't liked.

You have basically badgered him enough to justify your vote which so conveniently happens to be on the biggest wagon.

I need ThAdmiral and the insight he has previously been able to bring to the game.

[Whiskers]

Spoiler:

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Vote Count 1.7

theamateur - 4 (GLaDOS; Rainbowdash; subgenius; tarsonisocelot)
subgenius - 1 (malpascp)
monk - 4 (Whiskers; Guthrie; ThAdmiral; Beck)
Albert B. Rampage - 1 (theamateur)
Beck - 3 (Albert B. Rampage; monk; Charlie)
Not Voting - 0

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline slated for approximately September 23rd, 9 p.m. EST

... Processing ...

The stall of the theamature wagon though, especially with two small counter wagons, just gives me more confidence that scum are trying to bang out a mislynch, especially on the monk wagon, who a theamature-scum flip would make him much harder to lynch even if I wasn't around to defend him.

Sigh. Rainbow, yer gonna pull this, too?

Who 'xactly is "stalling" the theamateur wagon? Are the "stallers" scum?

Yeah im going to pull the same thing.

I actually don't think the Beck wagon has many if any scum on it, since most of that wagon appears to at least in part agree with me about theamature being scum and have been here for a bit. I just want to talk the wagon over to theamature by showing the monk wagon taking a hardline stance of 'one or the other', as I think theamature is scum, I would expect scum to really not want to let theamature-scum get lynched before monk-town. Wagon is stalling due to the break down between the somewhat alliance of beck and theamature wagons, and the monk wagon diggin in their hooves. Monk wagon is where the scum are.

Yeah im going to pull the same thing.



I actually don't think the Beck wagon has many if any scum on it,

Beck - 3 (Albert B. Rampage; monk; Charlie)

since most of that wagon appears to at least in part agree with me about theamature being scum and have been here for a bit. I just want to talk the wagon over to theamature by showing the monk wagon taking a hardline stance of 'one or the other', as I think theamature is scum, I would expect scum to really not want to let theamature-scum get lynched before monk-town. Wagon is stalling due to the break down between the somewhat alliance of beck and theamature wagons,

theamateur - 4 (GLaDOS; Rainbowdash; subgenius; tarsonisocelot)

and the monk wagon diggin in their hooves. Monk wagon is where the scum are.

monk - 4 (Whiskers; Guthrie; ThAdmiral; Beck)

1.)

Rainbowdash, d'ya think any scum are bussing theamateur?

Looking at early and current wagons

theamateur - 6 (subgenius; monk; Albert B. Rampage; Rainbowdash; GLaDOS; tarsonisocelot)
theamateur - 5 (GLaDOS; Rainbowdash; subgenius; tarsonisocelot; monk)

im actually not entirely sure, was practically expecting to have that glaring pony that was there to start and never came back, but thats ABR who I still think is town. Maybe I have too many town reads here.

I would be shocked if no scum were bussing here, would probably suggest at least one of malp/Thadmiral would be scum.

I would say a busser would be in sub/Tarson/ABR, almost would say Tarson despite my current read on her, but I really like the wagon as a whole and think it actually can be all town.

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Vote Count 1.7

theamateur - 4 (

GLaDOS

;

Rainbowdash

;

subgenius

;

tarsonisocelot

)
subgenius - 1 (

malpascp

)
monk - 4 (

Whiskers

;

Guthrie

;

ThAdmiral

;

Beck

)
Albert B. Rampage - 1 (

theamateur

)
Beck - 3 (

Albert B. Rampage

;

monk

;

Charlie

)
Not Voting - 0

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Rainbow Dash, do scum vote together?

[Whiskers]

Okay, how about this:

did scum vote together in that votecount?

[Whiskers]

Utter horseapples.

In the end though I still come out of it not liking Charlie too much. I think it might be in large part to how I really don't understand his town read on Tarson. It just seems like when I made a big fuss about how Tarson was town for the voting block play, he just called her town for im not too sure what in the long run. Most I can tell was the Whiskers push, which looking back I am not that big of a fan of.

Ugh this just is making me more confused then I was earlier about all of this.

I like that he eventually tried to start clearing ponies by PoE, but at the same time he really was not allowing Whiskers to get entirely cleared for a long time, despite the VCA pointing to it.

1077 bugs me again though, he baiscally makes posts that say everypony is scum for some reason or another, with the exception of Guthiere/Mist (which was in large part why I thought they were scum together), who he votes after the catchup post. Which would lead me to believe the entire case on Mist for Charlie came from the catchup post, it was more the opposite for me so maybe I just dont get it that much.

Im a little less confident, and still need to reread Thad, but just the way that Charlie seemed to use the noise regarding Tarson-town that I created to stick a more unexplained town read on her in there makes me think he is scum. If Charlie is scum, I would be about ready to bet the farm on Whiskers being town too.

Charlie, you need to respond to this.

[Whiskers]

Rainbowdash, how do you feel about the fact that GLaDOS matched you vote for vote until you started voting for me?

[Whiskers]

Hm, nah.

Vote: Rainbowdash

[Whiskers]

Wait, no! Unvote!

This was the epitome of lame responses.

Nice to see you're still online.


And yes, I know, both AJ and RD CAN'T be scum still.

[Whiskers]

I didn't. I had a hunch Applejack was still online, but wasn't sure. There

really

needs to be a function on this site that lets you check if somepony is online or not.

Anyway, unless Charlie is online, you should be fine, right? Right?

I'm off to work on my new avatar.

[Whiskers]

Know I means we knew that me and AJ werent partners. I could easily have jusitified a vote by now and had her hammer for the epic AppleDash win.

Charlie lives in a different timezone then most ponies I would assume given his posting pattern, and my weekends are a little all over the place. Im not a big fan of taking risks in lylo, but if you are going to force me to kick off this party early im going to kick it off early.

Um, I'm not really sure what that means.

Whiskers, seriously, please unvote. Despite that observation I brought up about Rainbowdash, I'm still really worried about Charlie and ThAdmiral bussing each other. If you want, I can do a thought dump so that we can discuss it. Even if you don't want to do that, at least please consider giving me a chance to read over the things I listed. The last thing I want to wake up to are quickhammers from Charlie and ThAdmiral after all the effort I've put into figuring out this LyLo.

Preview edit: You can check my main account Equinox for login times. I'll go ahead and enable it here, too, if that will help you. But please unvote.

That'd be really terrific, Applejack! You can dump your thoughts right here, I'll look through them when I'm done with these great avatars!

[Whiskers]

Oh boy, this is taking longer than I thought!

[Whiskers]

No, I mean the color editting I'm doing for this avatar I'm making.

[Whiskers]

Unvote.

Vote: Charlie.

As much as I want an all-pony endgame, Rainbowdash is pretty good reaction-based town here, and I'm gonna sheep her.

I'll read up on some meta before I go to bed tonight, and we'll see what's what in the morning.

[Whiskers]

Unvote

[Whiskers]

Why?

[Whiskers]

Actually, Applejack didn't post anything, so she still isn't cleared from that.

And the fact that you bring up, "having AJ post without a hammer to clear Thad-AJ as a pairing is good enough to me." Makes me go WIIIIIIIIFOOOOOMMMMM...

Also, technically not cleared from RD/Charlie, but w/e.

[Whiskers]

Can I ask, briefly, why you think it's not ThAdmiral+Applejack?

[Whiskers]

It's nowhere close to town alliance.

To be fair I think there could be a good town alliance, just not the one that has been proposed: you, rainbowdash and glados. And possible subgenius but it would be safer if he were left out.

[Whiskers]

I don't recall asking you to do it right away-- that was mostly the pressure that we were all worried that Charlie or ThAdmiral were going to come in and hammer.

Also, I didn't criticize you for taking so long with it, even though you did think that. I was talking about how long it was taking for

me

to do something.

[Whiskers]

4.)

Rainbowdash, it’s seemin’ ta me like you went from tarsonisocelot getting “slight” town points for proposin’ a voting bloc to it becoming a stronger and stronger “town tell” as tha game ‘as gone on. Why?

It's this shit that makes me rage.

[Whiskers]

Well, go nuts then.

I can take it, sister.


I can take it.

[Whiskers]

Charlie:
You should just ask Applejack to do Analysis instead of information. Yeah, that

is

a scumtell, but worst case it'll be revealing and we'll find scum using it (either her, or somepony else)

RainbowDash didn't really contradict herself there-- she pulled a Beck and got stuck on two players, you and Mist. Lynching Mist that Day, the other player was you, so she decided that you would absolutely be scum no matter what.

Why did you hammer on Mist?

Back to Applejack-- a lot of ponies have had similar strong, but wrong, reads all the way through the game-- for instance, there's been a town read on GLaDOS all game long-- I don't think I've

once

seen a vote for her, nor anypony say anything except good things for her. Too town to town? How about Beck, who made up his mind about his Flutter-read, and stuck to it?
Rainbowdash and GLaDOS have widely been considered to be town throughout most of the game, so why not? Well, the idea is that hindsight is 20/20. (I once looked at my hind, but there was only one of it.)

Charlie, I lost my notes, remember? Also, your "teeny tiny, itty bitty, suuuuper specific blurbs" are the best kind of thing to use, right?

Also, please go and counter Rainbowdash's case on you.

[preedit]
Shit hit the fan, apparently, and ThAdmiral came to make an actual post.

[Whiskers]

ThAdmiral came to make an actual post.

Why?

[Whiskers]

Oh Dashie.



Hey, how do you feel about a Charlie & Applejack team?

[Whiskers]

unvote

You have until I go to bed (five hours-ish) to put up the "why its Thad and AJ" case. Also showing why AJ would have tried to get Whiskers off me without trying to get me to jump on you when the option was there.

I'll help Rarity out on this one: Why would AJ try to get you to jump on Charlie when there's plenty of time and no reason to out both scum players?

[Whiskers]

Also, Dash, why are you hiding your scumteam suspicion? You worried it's gonna direct the nightkill or something?

[Whiskers]

unvote

You have until I go to bed (five hours-ish) to put up the "why its Thad and AJ" case. Also showing why AJ would have tried to get Whiskers off me without trying to get me to jump on you when the option was there.

Also, how about a case as to why it's Charlie and ???

I get the feeling you're not looking for connections, or are just bluffing or some shit. If Charlie flips scum, then you still aren't cleared.

[Whiskers]

This is funny for a couple of reasons:
1 - you've said words to the effect a few times but it shouldn't be "opinion" at this stage that I'm scum. There's one vote on each of us and if we were both town scum would have double voted for the win so one of us has to be mafia. Since I know I'm town, I know you're scum.
2 - You've listed everyone as possible scum.

1. It's obvious, don't nitpick.
2. Yes. Everypony has points that indicate scuminess and I'm having trouble deciding who is your buddy.

1: It's syntax, don't nitpick.
2: Oh Yes? I'm missing them. At least-- nopony has very

strong

points.

1. Charlie voted you for the ridiculous reason of changing your playstyle (post 406). As I said at the time the shift was entirely for the better. Completely contrived reason to vote someone.
2. Charlie's list of town to scum was strange to say the least (post 653). First of all there was little to no explanation. Second of all it gave the number one spot away for "honory" reasons to Glados, it had perennial catch up merchant (i.e. myself) at 2, trolling ABR at 3, scum tarsonis at 4, obvtown beck at 10, malpascp at 11 for the cop-out reason of lurking, and yourself at 12 (the bottom spot) for "playstyle, anti-wincon, vote-patterns".
3. He hammered mist after she claimed doc. I don't believe no one else see's this the way I do. As soon as that happened I had charlie pegged as obvscum.

1. That point has been there forever, you're repeating it. Also it has been discussed to death IMHO.
2. Repetition. That list was based on my thoughts early game; it would be difficult to justify anything other than by lying (now why would I do that?)
3. For the record, doc isn't the same as bodyguard. You don't think my reasons were clear enough but I do. Her claim was shady.
i) Replace into protective role slot during Night
ii) Fail to realize cop claim + guilty + Mafia lynch
iii) Did not claim protect target (did not submit protective action)
iv) Cop dies

1: Yes, it

has

been there forever, does it make it less of a tell? It's the exact same thing Princess Celestia did. And what did she flip? I've forgotten.
Also, I donm't think it's been discussed

enough

. Every time it gets brought up, you shrug it off.
2: You would do that if you were scum, that's why you would do that.
I'll look back at that list to see if it fits with your thoughts...

Anyway, what changed your viewpoint of ThAdmiral between then and now? And don't tell me just because "we're voting each other."

3: No, it's not-- Bodyguard is more believable to me, but whatever... Her claim was shady, but she did explain it. As usual, quickhammering was not the thing to do.

Charlie, what was the purpose of detailing how Whiskers is a wildcard? And yes, Newbie 1040 is an old game; it's not quite 2 years old, but it was a game that I recalled first. I'll look over MLP Mafia, too, now that I remember you were in that game.

Because

, my dear Applejack, I can see everypony as possible Mafia at this point. ThAdmiral is confirmed Mafia and the way I see it, the only lynch for Today. If I'm lynched, it's game over and I complain about how bad decisions lost us the game. If ThAdmiral is lynched then the game goes into LyLo again but there is no gurantee that I survive the Night. Therefore I need to get all my thoughts out there on the table, even if it's full of doubt.

Meta me all you want, and if possible make a condensed conclusion. I'm quite interested in what you have to say about it.

I've missed the part where you bring anything up against me, other than the fact that "I'm a wildcard." By the way, did you read the exchange last night?

Charlie: You should just ask Applejack to do Analysis instead of information. Yeah, that is a scumtell, but worst case it'll be revealing and we'll find scum using it (either her, or somepony else)

No, Whiskers; I was waiting to see if she COMMITS the IIoA scumtell. Telling her to do so would defeat the entire purpose. Like I said, I believe this tell to be most effective on replacements. Why? Because in my past games as replace into Mafia slot I committed this tell multiple times, and am trying to detect if somepony else does it too.

Yes, of course. But now that I've fucked all that chance of that ever happening, just ask her to focus on Analysis.
Anyway, I guess I kept Applejack from being able to commit that scumtell. Now she should be able to produce some damn spot-on analysis, right?

RainbowDash didn't really contradict herself there-- she pulled a Beck and got stuck on two players, you and Mist. Lynching Mist that Day, the other player was you, so she decided that you would absolutely be scum no matter what.

Still horseapples because I fail to see a build up case on me at that time.

Charlie, I lost my notes, remember? Also, your "teeny tiny, itty bitty, suuuuper specific blurbs" are the best kind of thing to use, right?

Didn't you say you had a newer, better version of it? Don't lie, I will search for it if you say no.

I certainly don't recall having done so. I do know that I posted the basics of my notes in the thread shortly after I lost them.

Kinda hard to convince other ponies when those notes read something along the lines of "Lack of attack", "Passive to null" , "WTF is this"... also, I work with these notes on the fly with reference to "Search posts by user" feature and because of this it is kinda awkward to share publicly. No discussion about ongoing games.

In short, the notes I made on Rainbowdash are great for personal reads (previously null throughout early game) but not great for sharing. Thinking more about this generally, I think this is an eligible topic in Mafia Discussion. That feature is relatively new... but back on track!

Okay... But still, they are in response to certain posts, right? Line them up so each comment is attached to a quote, post it. It doesn't even have to make all the sense.

Also, please go and counter Rainbowdash's case on you.

What case?

Utter horseapples.

In the end though I still come out of it not liking Charlie too much. I think it might be in large part to how I really don't understand his town read on Tarson. It just seems like when I made a big fuss about how Tarson was town for the voting block play, he just called her town for im not too sure what in the long run. Most I can tell was the Whiskers push, which looking back I am not that big of a fan of.

Ugh this just is making me more confused then I was earlier about all of this.

I like that he eventually tried to start clearing ponies by PoE, but at the same time he really was not allowing Whiskers to get entirely cleared for a long time, despite the VCA pointing to it.

1077 bugs me again though, he baiscally makes posts that say everypony is scum for some reason or another, with the exception of Guthiere/Mist (which was in large part why I thought they were scum together), who he votes after the catchup post. Which would lead me to believe the entire case on Mist for Charlie came from the catchup post, it was more the opposite for me so maybe I just dont get it that much.

Im a little less confident, and still need to reread Thad, but just the way that Charlie seemed to use the noise regarding Tarson-town that I created to stick a more unexplained town read on her in there makes me think he is scum. If Charlie is scum, I would be about ready to bet the farm on Whiskers being town too.

Charlie, you need to respond to this.

Not the first time I've mentioned it.

@Charlie - What does that even mean? I laid out what I said quite clearly, I thought Mist was scum. In the event that she was, you were obviously a partner. If she was town, you were still going to be the scummiest pony out there.

Don't play coy, those statements were as cloudy as the sky with you on the job napping in hard trees instead of soft clouds.

No, actually I'm pretty sure I explained them as the same thing-- You were scummy, so either you were scum with Mist Beauty, or you were scum without. Since Mist Beauty was the variable, you were the control.

Anyway. I need to leave for an hour or 2, don't do anything disastrous like vote me while I'm away. I'm not finished.

You don't know how tempting it is to say, "No, You're finished now, vote:charlie." I'm a drama queen too, but not in the same way... Really, You set yourself up to be hammered.

[Whiskers]

ThAdmiral came to make an actual post.

Why?

Is this at me? If so I realised I do care about this game and that I would have to put in more effort if I wanted to help us win.

I'm pretty sure I pointed this out.

[Whiskers]

Oh silly, that's why lurkers don't get lynched! (Tarsonisocelot, Albert B. Rampage, Guthrie, ThAdmiral)

[Whiskers]

Tarson was lynched only because of a cop guilty on her. If it weren't for the cop guilty on her, monk would have been lynched the next Day instead.

Guthrie never

was

lynched. Yes, that slot was, but the replacement wasn't a lurker, where as Guthrie was. Lurker wasn't lynched.

[preedit]

What pony in that picture is

not

smiling?

[Whiskers]

Utter horseapples.

In the end though I still come out of it not liking Charlie too much. I think it might be in large part to how I really don't understand his town read on Tarson. It just seems like when I made a big fuss about how Tarson was town for the voting block play, he just called her town for im not too sure what in the long run. Most I can tell was the Whiskers push, which looking back I am not that big of a fan of.

Ugh this just is making me more confused then I was earlier about all of this.

I like that he eventually tried to start clearing ponies by PoE, but at the same time he really was not allowing Whiskers to get entirely cleared for a long time, despite the VCA pointing to it.

1077 bugs me again though, he baiscally makes posts that say everypony is scum for some reason or another, with the exception of Guthiere/Mist (which was in large part why I thought they were scum together), who he votes after the catchup post. Which would lead me to believe the entire case on Mist for Charlie came from the catchup post, it was more the opposite for me so maybe I just dont get it that much.

Im a little less confident, and still need to reread Thad, but just the way that Charlie seemed to use the noise regarding Tarson-town that I created to stick a more unexplained town read on her in there makes me think he is scum. If Charlie is scum, I would be about ready to bet the farm on Whiskers being town too.

Wow, biased much? Seems to me that Rainbowdash bought Pinkie Pie's (Whisker's) trust for $0.99. Now since I know these two are not scum together, I'm utterly confused right now.

Rainbow Dash hardly has my trust. I mean, Rainbow Dash is not the best liar, but this player isn't playing her quite exactly so I really can't give her a 100% clear. Right now though, I've decided that she's probably only scum if she's scum partners with you.

Whiskers, I don't understand why, and when, did you about turn on your reads on myself and Thadmiral. Last I thought you were sensible enough to think ThAdmiral is the correct lynch. Then you voted for me, unvoted, then when I replied to everything you threw it away and threatened a melodramatic vote.

When did I do that?

No, no, ThAdmiral is still the lynch. I voted/unvoted you because I was testing Rainbowdash and Applejack. Actually, that's the reason why she could only be scum with you-- If RainbowDash and ThAdmiral were scum, she would have hammered you, winning the game. If Dashie and Applejack were scum, then she would have hammered you, winning the game. If Rainbow dash and

I

were scum, we would have ended the game a long time ago.

I give up trying to understand you, Whiskers. Each time, despite much restrain, I find myself burying my head in disappointment over the things that you say or do. I make myself feel better by throwing away my original principle of 'give everyone the benefit of the doubt first'. I then replace it with my principle of how to behave while driving on the road, one which has kept me accident free. And that principle is 'assume that everyone else on the road is a dumbass'. I feel much better.

Walking makes Pinkie Pie a healthy pony.

I'm so pathetic.

Answers to Whiskers in chronology:
1. What is the point of pointing out syntax?

I actually take this back, since you were arguing syntax with syntax. However, rather than saying, "It doesnt' matter what termonology I used", You say, "Oh, okay, I

know

then."

2. Not others having points, strong or not... ME deciding that everyone else has scum points. Not you, but me. Your opinion =/= my opinion.

Oh Rarity! If you don't want to be lynched, shouldn't you want to make me

share

your opinion?
And, as the element of Generosity, shouldn't

you

want to

share your opinion

?

1. You put a sarcastic remark here yet answered my sarcastic question in the next line, making me think that you're either not good at sarcasm or you're not good at sarcasm.

What about this-- what you said, I mean-- was sarcastic?
The point has been there forever. (Not Sarcastic?)
He's repeating it (Not Sarcastic?)
It's been discussed to death (Not Sarcastic?)

On a serious note, what do you want to discuss about this, and would me saying stuff really make you change your mind about this one issue?

I dunno. <3

2. Answering my question with

You would do that if you were scum, that's why you would do that.

makes me facehoof.

You said, "Either Something, or I'm lying! Why would I lie!?" And you would lie if you're scum. Of course, the other thing could be

totally

possible too, right?

Asking me again that question, to which I've answered so many many many times, its because of my VCA which indicates that one of ThAdmiral/Mist Beauty is Mafia. Mist Beauty flipped Town therefore ThAdmiral is Mafia.

Well, link me to your VCA when you get the time, okay? *wink!*

I think you just don't care about my answers, or are intentionally ignoring them, Whiskers. This is very scummy in my books, and your wildcard status has been demoted (promoted?) into scummy status. Don't let this bother you, but I'm going to say now that you're just as likely to be Mafia as RD/AJ now. This makes it RD/AJ/PP which makes it everypony! Whee! Thank you for making yourself so difficult, Whiskers!

I dunno, I

like

a good challenge. Why do you think I spend so much time with Fluttershy?

Forgive my ramblings. The condensed version is I have no idea now who is ThAdmiral partnered with.

Aw, no Green Fawn this time?

3. I maintain that I did not quickhammer, I was certain with like 99% certainly that Mist Beauty would flip Mafia at that point. She claimed without a Night Action which I find very wrong and disgenuine. It was the correct thing to do; I regret nothing.

Silly Filly! She claimed without a night action because she didn't

make

a night action. 9__9 This isn't that hard. But I'll let you off the hook here-- you've explained it as much as is necessary.

1. Whatever. What exchange?

Silly Filly! You

obviously

read it, you know I voted for you!

2. WTF.

FTW. Now that I've provided Applejack with the information she'd use to commit the scumtell of "INFORMATION OVER ANALYSIS," She should be able to use that information for analysis, right?

Hey, Applejack!! Why didn't you do that?

3.

Actualy, no. I used the word processor, saved my three pages of notes, restarted my computer (since it spontaneously dsconnected from the internet, twice, and there's nothing to reconnect it except restarting it), brought the file back up, everything was gone. Yes, I saved, if I hadn't, the file wouldn't have been there at all, let alone empty.

And actually, I have a more powerful replacement lined up already. I just need to transfer files over and take the screen out of this one.

The file exists. The file is empty. Blank as a newborn foal.

4. No. I'm fed up with you, Whiskers. I gave you my all and you've not returned back the favour (wait, that doesn't sound right...at all... but I'm leaving it here because it's funny)

1. Yes, maybe not the first time. I derped here, but IMHO you derped 1000x more.

O RLY?

2. That's your opinion, I've got nothing to say about it but I've got my own.

You have nothing to say about my opinion? Also, Rainbow Dash explained this pretty obviously... How do you think she could have put it better?

1. I don't respond well to threats. Especially ones that will lose us the game.

A bit arrogant, Rarity, using the royal "we."

------------

I'm feeling drained after posting all that stuff. I feel that I've missed out things concerning RD/AJ, so if any of you could help... I'd appreciate it. I'll try to ignore Whiskers for a bit for the sake of my mental well being. Thanks for understanding, everypony.

Here, I brought you some cats for the occasion.

[Whiskers]

Actually, I'd say, yes, please

do

a point by point, uh, only

after

your "I'm so pathetic!" link.
No rush.

[Whiskers]

No, not until I confirmed her. Charlie had gotten confused.

Also, she's "rushing to please whiskers" because Rainbowdash had threatened to open her up to a hammer at the end of that night.

Hey, ThAdmiral, what do

you

think of the pages or so I did to Rainbowdash?

Anyway, we should lynch Charlie, since ThAdmiral is really easy to read (scum!). It'll be more exciting!

[Whiskers]

Hm, nah.

Vote: ThAdmiral

I'm so right about this. The only way I could be wrong is that if Rainbowdash is scum with Charlie (she's not).

[Whiskers]

Look at Charlie rushing to please whiskers. "would you like me to do a point by point reply, sir", "is there anything else you need to be more comfortable, sir".

Also trying to gain points with dash by calling him confirmed town now. He's been obv town for a while bro.

"Sir" is roleplaying, Hulk.

Also, a sufficiently suspicious townie would be suspicious that this was an elaborate bussing scheme between Rainbowdash and Charlie. Since you don't have that, then the only other team is Charlie and GLaDOS (now Applejack).


...What do you think of Applejack, anyway?
I went and looked a bit at your ISO, and you disagreed with her, then had GLaDOS as a town read (you put her in your favs for a town voting block), then disagreed with her again, then put her back in your "super townie list" or something.
Then all through Day 3 (I'm pretty sure you never showed up for Day 2), you keep saying, "Oh, well, it's probably Rainbowdash or Applejack," and "Gee, I think Charlie is scum, and if I had to guess who her partner is, it would be one of Rainbowdash or Applejack."

Unvote.

Now, I know there's a lot of sexual tension there, but How do you feel about Rainbowdash and Applejack? Rainbowdash is Not cleared, if Charlie is scum. In fact, Rainbowdash technically isn't hard cleared at all, only some of the scumteams

including

her.
But since you seem to think Rainbowdash is cleared, and "a long time ago," How do you feel about Applejack?

[Whiskers]

None, I think it's ThAdmiral and Charlie, but I'm more sure about ThAd.

Over and over I'm giving him these chances to save himself, to help town, to give me a townie-enough read on him so I can vote Charlie, but I'm just not seeing it.

Lurking at this stage in the game is the most harmful thing he can do.

Also, ThAd hasn't said anything about Applejack, really. Kept a decent distance from GLaDOS while calling her a strong towntell all the time.

You've been wrong before, Rainbow Dash. If ThAdmiral is scum, then you have to decide between Charlie and Applejack-- er... I guess I know which one you'll choose there.

If Charlie is scum, then

THADMIRAL

will have to choose between you or applejack. Or you between ThAd or Applejack, or Applejack between ThAd and you. Basically, with a Charlie scumflip, anypony could be scum. With a ThAd scumflip, you're cleared.

If ThAdmiral can't save himself by the end of the week, I'll vote him, game be damned.

[Whiskers]

Rainbowdash, if Charlie flips scum, then both ThAdmiral and Applejack-- one of them misguided, the other scum-- can attack you. If ThAdmiral flips scum, then You Are Cleared. Thanks for saying this, now ThAdmiral literally

has

to tunnel on Applejack.

There is no way I am surviving the night. I am, hmm, "too much of a wildcard."

This is why I need your reads now, this is why we need the scumhunting now, this is why we need Scum Teams, NOW. ThAdmiral kept a stance on GLaDOS that looks, to me, like scum with a partner. Classic stuff. He has her as a great town read, but also contradicts her occasionally. He doesn't mention her more than four or five times in his iso iirc.

Then there's the bit where he was having soooo much trouble catching up, and so he made these great posts-- hindsight it 20/20. In these great posts, he mirrored the general town opinion.

[Whiskers]

Spoiler: Fucking enormous post

Also, town voting blocs always have a scum in them
VOTE: tarsonisocelot for not knowing that after 8 completed games

This is 100% incorrect. As mentioned before even if they do sometimes have scum in them the voting bloc is designed to force them to vote the will of the bloc, therefore rendering their scum-vote useless. (however it is also useless for analysis purposes as well, so there's always 2 sides of the coin)

Defends Tarson and protects the townvotingblock.

Guthrie is null. Tarson tried to make a voting bloc out of all the ponies, not suretown people. Besides, getting a town read after about 4 pages is really hard pressed. Null-scum, but scummiest here

So the three or so next commonest posters after yourself haven't contributed anything.noteworthy?

How did I know this was going to happen. He gives his reads as you asked and then you find something else to nitpick on to justify keeping your vote on him.

Like theamateur,

rainbowdash*

and beck for town, and monk for scum.

Tarsonis in #168 puts up basically the exact same case against the weak target albert as monk did earlier without referencing it. Don't like.

weakattacks Tarson.

I had him in the lowest of my town reads. Then Tarsonis pointed out that he was flipfloping.

VOTE: theamatuer
Continuing to not adequately scum hunt.

Riiiiiiiight.

It's nowhere close to town alliance.

To be fair I think there could be a good town alliance, just not the one that has been proposed: you,

rainbowdash**

and glados. And possible subgenius but it would be safer if he were left out.

More Evidence for a GLaDOS/ThAdmiral scumteam.

Tarson, you just said he isn't mafia but are voting him. Explain how this makes sense?

The goal is to lynch mafia, you clearly said he isn't mafia, yet you vote him?

vote: tarson

I think this might be a reading comprehension fail. I mean I don't love tarson's vote either, because she doesn't seem all that convinced by it herself, but she didn't say that.
I'm keeping an eye on it. If it is just for pressure, fine. If, like monk, theamateur responds positively and the vote stays for a stupid justified reason then tarsonis shoots up my scum chart.

More Tarsonisocelot defending.

though since I'm currently on of the competing wagons might I suggest Beck take my place in the bloc, or subgenius, this should be dependent on what tarsonis and RD think though

This is more of the "come on, lynch me!" stuff. Basically it's "look how compliant and townie I'm being".


tarsonis 440 is bad. a) reaaallllllly weak reason to vote whiskers. Essentially a policy vote and a terrible one at that since whiskers has since changed her style. b) sets up a get-out-of-jail card for when monk flips scum.
Pretty sure they're scum together.

tarson-bussing? Keeps a pretty solid pattern here: Defend, bus, defend, bus. Kind of like what he's doing for Applejack. A little bit.

Page 19

I don't vote to look town. I vote to lynch scum.

I really like this line.

***

Guthrie I'm liking as well. New super-duper town team: beck, whiskers, guthrie. Probably theamateur as well.

Hey, 100% accuracy. Maybe we should all just sheep ThAdmiral.

Page 20

However you say that you don't know or can't pinpoint scum on my wagon. You also refuse to acknowledge any of your other scum reads,

you're tunneling hard muffin

.

Mudsling. He just spent the entire last page saying why he thought tarsonis was probably scum.

Genuine stuff and shows a looking deeper in to things than I imagine scum would do. You are officially back in my super-duper town group glados!

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about, btw, when I talk about his attitude toward GLaDOS.

I don't agree with RD's case in 516. Essentially I don't think whisker was implying monk would flip town, and although whiskers saying they didn't want to get on the tarsonis wagon immediately could be interpreted as worrying about self-image it begs the question why would whiskers as scum admit that? Sort of defeats the point doesn't it? I tend to think of that sort of over-revealing of the inner monologue to be a slight town tell.

@ tarsonis 530: you keep saying you are voting whiskers because what she did was against the town win condition and anti-town, that makes sense. However you also claim you think that whiskers is not town, with no explanation as to why. Why do you think whiskers is not town?
Note: if you answer it is because she was acting in an anti-town way you will have confirmed yourself as scum in my eyes and I won't rest until you're dead.

Ooh, ouch, hard bussing. It's this, and only this, that makes me reconsider. For a second.

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Charlies town to scum list in 653 is bizzare.
Abr at 3?
tarsonis at 4?
beck at 10?
whiskers at 12?
Also I really shouldn't be 2, but I'll take that one.

This is interesting, actually. His

town

reads have been 100% so far. He made a mistake with his scumread on monk. His scumread on TarsonisOcelot was right on though.

Gonna point out, he says that monk and Tarson are probably scum together (after occasionally defending Tarson, but tunneling hard on monk all day), but never mentions that Rainbowdash and Tarson could be scum together.

****

Which, again, is odd, since he never puts Rainbowdash in his super-great townie list.

It sounds like RD was "cleared a long time ago"

*Turns out he did call Rainbow town once, really early on.
**make that two.
***This is what I was going on when I said "RD was never in ThAd's townlist," btw.
****My bad. Still,

He's been obv town for a while bro.

Um, what?

[Whiskers]

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage
This pony has posted six times. All the posts are short enough that including them should not make this an unbearably long post.

Spoiler: ISO

I'm here

Vote: subgenius

Beware, Glados is a computer. I mean, a man.

heads up guys and gals, tomorrow I will be unavailable. Do play nicely while I'm away.

Yes..........we shall....

WTF with the ponies

Pony genocide?

Anymore?

They are void of content and far from attempting to join us on the useful side of the random voting stage the last three posts encourage its continuation.
Also, we must most vehemently oppose any who would attempt to make this game a struggle between ponies and non-ponies.

Btw, this is one of the posts ThAdmiral lists when he's attacking Tarsonis. Yes, the vote on me was bad, so ThAd is technically correct. Also, please recall that ThAd's post saying how Tarsonis's Albert vote was bad came

over two hundred post after

we had all finished worrying about it.

Those who need to post as soon as possible include:
ThAdmiral
malpascp
Guthrie, should they choose to remain despite the presence of ponies
subgenius

Everypony else flipped town.
As it turns out, we should have drawn out Day 2 for much longer.

[Whiskers]

Are set at...?

[Whiskers]

I'll maybe gather up all my questions to you at some point today.

Or... about you, at least.

Charlie, if you are suspicious of me, but I'm your wildcard, I can see two possible explanations. The first one is to instill doubt in the other players about me. The second one, is that you don't really think I'm scum, and are worried that Applejack and ThAdmiral are going to jump on and quickhammer me.

Yeah, I'm not cleared town, but I'm playing like it. I've cleared Rainbowdash if you are town, I've helped with the game, blah blah. Besides, I

will

be cleared town after tonight, so what are you fretting about? ]

At your #3, please recall that Rainbowdash's read on Tarsonisocelot was also a gradual one, increasingly more and more townie.

Then there's the bit where he was having soooo much trouble catching up, and so he made these great posts-- hindsight it 20/20. In these great posts, he mirrored the general town opinion.

Ok, I've got sport now so I can't say much but I had to respond to this:
Just a fucking second - I was absolutely against theamateurs lynch, in fact you even said yourself (I think it was you) that my opposition to the theam's lynch was what made you second guess it. And he was lynched before I could fully catch up. Something that I would have done every thing in my power to stop. I also believe I was one of the only people saying tarsonis was suspect.

I'm sure there were other points but these were off the top of my head.

I'll check up on this later.

[Whiskers]

What I don't get is why you keep insisting it's not an Applejack-ThAdmiral pair despite me clearly stating I wasn't here to hammer Charlie.

Because it doesn't make any sense to be the two of you. The way both of you are acting

You mean... suspicious?

it makes the least sense out of the three logical pairings. The combination of if me being able to prove this pairing wrong being able to get the lynch I want is probably more of a factor then I want to let myself think it is, but its there.

Not sure what else you are getting at there.

Its two of three ponies at this point, You/Thad/Charlie. I dont think its you and Thad though since I am quite obviously leaning away from Thad, and you arent really doing anything to exploit this, which I have to assume you would have at this point if you are scum with Thad. Whiskers is random, impossible to call what her thoughts are for the most part, not even entirely sure she knows before she actually makes her posts. Im pretty transpartent though most of the time, when im not its usually because im actually at a loss for reads.

is this why you can't give us your second read with Charlie? Why you always come up short, even...

blank?

Im doing what I can to get the lynch that I think is correct. Thad-AJ makes little sense when it would mean that every town aligned player has voted for Charlie in lylo, and you arent even going to poke at that to see if you can get a bad vote when you are online? Sometime I think this game is as simple as putting yourself is someponyelses saddlebag, I cannot see myself doing absolutely nothing as scum with Thad from your position. I bit once, Whiskers bit once. Cast out the line and see if anypony will take the bait again would have been my instant thought there, not trying to bus (if im reading you right as calling Thad scummier) for town creds, especially when im cleared as scum with Thad and Whiskers looks not like it as well.

Taking a confirmed(ish at worst) town pony with you to endgame instead of going for the win?

what does this mean?

No. I think you would know better then that as scum, therefore I dont think you can be scum with Thad.

Out of curiosity why are you fighting me calling you and Thad NOT scum together so much? Its not like I haven't been giving you reasons for it.

As it turns out, it's time for a long hard investigation of Applejack.

Officer Pie out.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, time

IS

kind of short, although I'm not sure you can really measure it with a yardstick like a pony or a carrot.

Dashie's right, we

are

going in different directions, 'cause I'd really like you to be cleared. But that's the game I guess.

Ooh, ooh, and I JUST remembered that I was typing up a big post for a little while, and then I stopped and saved it because I had to restart my computer, and I never came back to it, but that's okay because maybe I will later.

That's okay right? 'Cause I mean, we've got like, five

Days

until we even have to do anything.

[Whiskers]

No, please don't be so hasty. I've something to say.

inb4 Charlie claims Serial Killer.
:3

[Whiskers]

[Whiskers]

Hammer will fall tomorrow, Second-best pony!

I'll see you on the other side, Rarity.

Don't be scared-- Laugh and make them disappear.

[Whiskers]

No, please don't be so hasty. I've something to say.

I've something to say.

I've something to say.

I've something to say.

I've something to say.

Like Rainbows, I'm spicy.
Like Apples, delicious.
Like Rarity, fancy.
Like Pinkie, suspicious.

This is my jam! And I sometimes get out of control.
I'm on a roll! Gotta have my own verse--
Party pony, pony pokey, Gala ticket reimburse... THIS
Rainboom once, I'm there, explode twice, and you missed.
Roll on through, turn grey, get pissed, like Flutter,
I'm that bitch and I can't be dissed. Pony Swag.

[Whiskers]

Which, if I am using my logic correctly, makes you lose the case.

[Whiskers]

"OBJECTION!"
"on what grounds?"
"Er, um...
....uuuumm...."

[Whiskers]

Well then, you likely understand how ridiculous what you just did is. "I have something to say." What is it?

[Whiskers]

And that's what your "Stop! I have something to say!" Was?

[Whiskers]

...And?

[Whiskers]

Well a rainbow's tale isn't quite as nice
As the story we know of sugar and spice.
But a rainbow is easy, once you get to know it
With the help of the magic of a pegasis device.


ISOing Applejack.

[Whiskers]

Thread need some more Applejack. Seriously, her minimal participation is continually messing with my reads. She needs to buck up; because we certainly can't slow down.

No, pinkie promise

me

that you are going to vote for ThAdmiral here.

I just had a hypothesis 'bout Charlie's and ThAdmiral's behavior, and I want to test it. Charlie and ThAdmiral, have either of ya been in 3p LyLo (or 5p LyLo with a situation like this one) in a recent game where ya weren't the decidin' vote? If so, please link (or name) it.

No, Applejack.

^Whiskers isn't voting.

Applejack, just curious: are you drunk?

Who is a silly pony?
Get back here and unvote, please.

No, please don't be so hasty. I've something to say.

Hm.
Apple apple applejack. Promise me you'll vote ThAdmiral, fluff, fluff, stall, stall, It's ThAdmiral and Applejack.
Fluff, fluff, stall, stall, bus, bus, fall, fall.
Push on ThAdmiral, fos on Applejack.
Put 'er in da noose, drop da floor, watch 'er neck snap.
Bussin' down da mafia, layin' rhymes on top o' ya,
Hit'ya with the crop, dawg, giddyup an' get along.

I'm finally done, but I've run into a problem. I still have town reads of Whiskers and Rainbowdash for essentially the same reasons I've stated already in the thread, and I would have sworn my life on them except Rainbowdash brought up something really interesting about the Charlie-ThAdmiral pair earlier in the Day. If Rainbowdash is town, Mist Beauty's accusations over twilight would have made it easy for scum to put Rainbowdash up as an option in LyLo, but instead we have Charlie and ThAdmiral going at each other's throats. Granted, the two of them were already doing it as the Day was ending, but the justification that Mist Beauty gave was pretty big. I just spent close to 12 hours reading this thread non-stop, so I'm tuckered out and would like to take a break. I'll reread relevant portions of the thread later.

As a note to myself, I'm interested in looking closer that Charlie's and ThAdmiral's posts themselves, Charlie's and Rainbowdash's defenses, and probably Mist Beauty's twilight thoughts. I'll also take a gander at the voting spreadsheet to see if there's anything interesting there; I refuse to look at another VCA, though. Unfortunately, the NKs were mostly on power roles; Albert B. Rampage's soft claiming means I will not be able to determine if he was killed for his reads, his status in the game, or his soft claim, so I'm not happy about that.

For the record, I would have voted ThAdmiral. I agree with Whiskers that his suggestion that Beck shoot regardless of how Mist Beauty flipped was reckless. It's one thing to trust the kill to someone who is 100% town, but Beck was not going to have anything to keep him in check during the Night phase; when the game is decided by a group, the composition of the group isn't guaranteed, but there's less chance of the townies in the group screwing up due to checks and balances. This probably makes more sense in my head than written, but that's how I see it. Furthermore, Beck made it clear that he wanted to shoot Whiskers; if Whiskers is town -- and that's my belief at the moment -- ThAdmiral is scum for making this suggestion to Beck.

But I'm going to wait until I clear up the matter in the first paragraph before I make a final Applejack decision.

Applejack pushin' ThAd an' Char go free
Matching up her focus with a silvertongued Rarity.
Hoofin' up a line with her active lurking
I spit it 'cause I get it, makes sense to me.

Still not quite clear though, wanna call out on a bus
Where ThAd and Rarity scuff and tussle.
Whatya gonna do 'til ya give it that muscle?
Hammer on the horn and tomorrow check the shuffle.


Fun fact: As of right now, Applejack has said "Charlie" and "ThAd" 53 times a piece. That's the evidence that

i

find damning.

[Whiskers]

... Processing ...

1.)

I see Charlie has asked me fer my top scumpicks, but Ah jus' can't give an honest answer right now. If I knew, I'd likely be votin'. Ah'm gonna need to read over tha game with an eye towards tarsonisocelot connections b'fore I can say.

2.)

Whiskers, please answer my question from Post 1050.

3.)

Rainbow, Ah’m just gonna say this in tha most direct way possible. Ah’ve gotten the feelin’ a couple times in this game that ya’ve been droppin’ my name into a number of yer posts rather unnecessarily, and I can’t help but wonder if it’s meant ta be a subtle attempt at buddyin’. Overall (and this is semi-related), it’s sorta feelin’ yer trying ta avoid gettin’ in an argument with me, or something.

Do

you

feel like ya’ve been avoidin’ me? Why?

An’ I don’t mean “avoiding” by ignorin’ my questions/comments ‘bout you, or "avoiding" by not commenting on me at all, so don’t try to take that tangent, pleaseandthankya. It's more like ya don't want ta get rough-'n-tumble with me.

4.)

Charlie, do ya feel ya put more effort into games if yer Town, or if yer Scum?

?

I'm not quite there, Dashie. Show me how or, as sometimes tell me... "guide me in."

Vote:

Friendship

Charlie, hold your tongue for a minute.

[Whiskers]

Rainbow Dash

does

have self-confidence issues.

...

...Rainbowdash.

If I were scum with Charlie and already presented (what I think is) a very convincing argument to lynch ThAdmiral, you DO realize it'd be smarter for me to go for the ThAdmiral kill AND WIN THE GAME TODAY, right?

How would you have done that? We never had ThAdmiral at L-1.

The fact that the day isn't over means that Charlie

must

be mafia. Either, A, ThAdmiral is scum with her, and the other ponies haven't hammered because we're town, or B, Applejack is scum with her and doesn't want to hammer her mate.

There is an event that I am surprised hasn't occurred all game-- however, pointing it out would cause it to happen.

[Whiskers]

Mein Vӧttenhammer: Charlie

Applejacks, that scumtelling post? Link it? Since you know that you have the other mafia, why are you holding back? Since you are still a viable and possible lynch, you gotta tell us why the other guy is even better.

Everpony post your last chance fos. Then, we analyze the nightkill.

ILY, Rarity.

[Whiskers]

[Whiskers]

You're fully correct, I

didn't

draw that.

Aw, you're so insightful! Guys, we should all just sheep Rarity!

[Whiskers]

Ooh, ooh, I

almost

forgot! Any thoughts about

Rainbow Dash

,

Applejack

, or

Theo

?

[Whiskers]

Oldish Pic.

I'll make something special, just for us.

[Whiskers]

Still, I wonder if we should have just lynched ThAdmiral and asked everypony to Vote: Friendship...

[Whiskers]

Let's delve deeper into rainbow philosophy
Far beyond that of Cloudsdale's mythology
It's easy to misjudge that floating city
With it's alluring decor and social psychology.

But with all great things comes a great responsibility,
That of Cloudsdale's being weather stability.
How, you ask, are they up to the task?
The answer to which is in a simple facility.

[Whiskers]

In the Rainbow Factory,
Where your fears and horrors come true.

In the Rainbow Factory,
Where not a single soul gets through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRx_iXgLAyw

[Whiskers]

Why would I need town cred when I could have won the fucking game today instead?

Point taken.


Wondering if I'll be left alive.

Rainbowdash, what do you have to say to this?

Also, for the comic, ThAdmiral is getting his avatar drawn.

[Whiskers]

So! After an

almost

continuous 8 day (give or take a day) of the game pausing for Night phase, I admit that I've lost some of my bearings for this game. I'm sure at least one of you feel the same way:

Btw I forgot charlie was playing. My scum reads are guthrie/miss beauty and charlie, mainly by POE.
<snip>
...but then again I forgot about charlie. In fact...

unvote

vote: charlie

I might mention that I believe that the Process of Elimination (POE) method of scumhunting is a tried and proven method to work and I advocate it's use. Unfortunately that vote is misplaced.
------------
Let me refresh my mind by doing ISO-ing myself. I do post my notes in-thread for myself, you know!

Let's see ISO#16, my old list:
Hmm, let's add some colour & commentary to this list!

My Little Listy: Town to Mafia

1. GLaDOS (honory for D1)
2. ThAdmiral
3.

Albert B. Rampage

Yay, I'm correct

4.

tarsonisocelot

Doh

5.

subgenius

6. Rainbowdash
7. Guthrie
8.

theamatuer

9.

monk

10. Beck
11.

malpascp

(Policy lynch: Lynch all Lurkers)

Derp

12. Whiskers (Playstyle, anti-wincon, vote patterns. Caveat: GLaDOS Townread on Whiskers)

The following is a

stream of consciousness

that may or may not make sense because it's basically

trying to explain my gut reads

. Don't misrep!
------------
Ah, I remember GLaDOS was a Town read because of meta: same here, same then. However between Whiskers & Beck & some other people posting stuff & stuff & stuff in thread making the game move at breakneck speed, I feel that this read gradually diminishes into a null read because the level of goodposting gets diluted. Make sense? Yes. Yes it does.
*GLaDOS is likely Mafia until the level of goodposting increases to match.

Y

/N
------------
I've mentioned that Rainbowdash was difficult to read... yes, it's all true.. so I opted a very different and (arguably) unusual method: I did a search post by user and actually read her stuff (it's still meta). The end result I see is a more passive pony playstyle which is very odd. I can't discuss ongoing games but I did quiz her in ISO#17 about a completed one. Didn't really get anything from that.
*Rainbowdash is likely Mafia because she failed to out-talk the talk in this fast game i.e. one would expect more stuff from her when she just falls short.

Y

/N
------------
ThAdmiral.... I remember him as the "catch-up" guy. I liked those catch-up posts, because Activity is Magic. Unfortunately the reality of the situation puts him at a null read. He ends up using the POE method to scumhunt (albeit wrongly; in terms of the result)
*ThAdmiral is a null read who ends up placing a vote on me which holds no water... Mafia? Y/

N

(Doesn't feel like it & I can't conclude anything based on what he has posted. Maybe I need to reread? Y/

N

)
------------
Whiskers! This individual I do have a serious bone to pick with because he basically

lied to himself

. Did you or did you not once said something along the lines of "I do not use <

insert bad word here

> readily" or something similar along those lines? Did you or did you not repeat it at least twice in the last few pages? Yes, yes you did. This isn't good because if you're lying to yourself then there is no telling what you're doing to anypony else. Ergo, you

canno

t be trusted. Granted, Beck also was in the frenzy of words but there is something about this exchange that is weird. Let me try to rationalize...

Whiskers said he isn't normally behaving like

this

(read: use of foul language)
Only way he would be is when he gets emotional, right.
Well then where is the breaking point in the thread? I don't see anything that warrants its use...
So...
LIES.
But wait! Have I seen such a deception before?
Hmm...
Yes. I remember mentioning that playstyle shift thing and even voted him for that. I hold it to be true, even though what ThAdmiral said as a counterpoint remains to be true.

So, does this explain things swimmingly? No? Then forget it, my gut says Whiskers isn't Town
*Whiskers is scum because of behavior I find erratic. But the VCA I did says the opposite. This means there is a conflict between my logic side of my brain and the gut side of.... waitaminute. This is ridiculous. Anyway. When this problem occurs, I'd normally go with gut read. Whiskers is Mafia.

Y

/N
------------
Um, okay, who else? Beck? Well, a claimed vig...could be SK... I'm getting confused over his chatter with tarsonohgoshwhatisgoingonnevermind.
Mist Beauty? No posts? I'll just junk my computer. *junks*
------------
There we go, I'm going off now. Ta-ta. If you have any problems with this post, please refer to my post #1069 to make yourself feel better. Otherwise, I'll come back in the evening. Or not. Or maybe. It is now 2.50am.

[Whiskers]

My Mini Open game just entered signups, first time mod, go and dance.
Ponies will not, in fact, gain any special powers/favors.

[Whiskers]

...

...

...

No fucking way.

WHAT A TWIST!

[Whiskers]

There's a reason I left open the possibility that Rainbowdash was scum, and could only be scum with Charlie.

[Whiskers]

Btw aj you totally misinterpreted me. I wasn't saying "it is my belief that beck shot last night but was blocked" I was saying "I am frustrated beck didn't shoot last night". The "I can't believe that..." was expressing my exasperation. Sorry I sent you on a wild goose chase.

But it wasn't an "I don't believe," was it? It was an "I don't think Beck didn't shoot."
Also, you had plenty of time to clear that up, right?

By the way, wth keeps you from this site? I know that it's a site where you can expect more lenient deadlines and stuff, so the activity in this game might have been a little flustering.
But seriously, what kept you from it? Real life, or what?

[Whiskers]

No, I mean like, ALL GAME LONG.

Even in endgame, you were still lagging behind the rest of us.

[Whiskers]

So, yes, real life. That's fine, I don't have one, so I can post all day long, but I've heard about how some of you ponies do.

[preedit]
No, it wasn't. Maybe a little, but she caught up and was nice and active.

[Whiskers]

Oh, and she was also a

replacement

so she had a good excuse.

[Whiskers]

tbh, I still didn't get it when RD said, "I'd better end this now" and when AJ said, "wtf."
I instead thought that RD had a scumread on ThAd all along and claimed to have a scumread on AJ just to stay alive, and knew she was going to vote for ThAd and was just going to get it over with. I had ThAd pinned for scum too.

Now, RD, I have to use this game as a scum meta for that other game you were in and replaced out of (like GLaDOS here.)

Speaking of which, GLaDOS, wtf? I can believe what you said, but what the fuck actually ahppened. I will get out my hacksaw and see to it that RainbowDash consents to your release of the "outside information," Also,

why were you communicating with Rainbowdash out side of the game?

[Whiskers]

Hey now.

I reckon there're too many apologies in this here thread and not 'nough parties. After all that's happened, Pinkie Pie deserves ta get her chance to party with y'all.

[Whiskers]

Wanting to cry is a sign of two things:
--I am tired, and
--I shouldn't play mafia.

thoughts?

[Whiskers]

I don't get that, Beck specifically said that he killed subgenius, and Tarsonisocelot specifically said that she killed Albert B. Rampage.

Why is that so confusing-- I mean, Somepony said somewhere that It would make sense that the scum killed subgenius-- actually used it in their case, iirc. But they didn't....

[Whiskers]

The problem was the monk/theamatuer fight.

[Whiskers]

And yet, it's the game we play. I like to lie.
And you did do fairly well, you were a town read for almost everypony, so much so that when Mist Beauty caught you, many of us defended you.

Rainbowdash: Be sure to put it in your wiki.

[Whiskers]

Okay, well, you'd said the whole time that you were going to shoot me.

[Whiskers]

Okay, so why (not being a jerk or making it your fault) didn't you shoot her?

[Whiskers]

Okay. fair enough.

[Whiskers]

Just ONE question, what was the ultimate flavour here? I was a little excited when I found out it was a PARTY!, being a Party Pony and all, until the first flavour lynch and somepony got stabbed.

Ps: RainbowDash, this whole, "Whiskers is a wildcard" thing might be working out really great for me in another one of my games. thank you so much, scum, for helping me out with this meta! ^__^

Oh,

P

ps, I'll do a AppleDashPie, if you want.

Oh, actually, You could just tack me on the end of AppleDash for a game.

[Whiskers]

Ps: RainbowDash, this whole, "Whiskers is a wildcard" thing might be working out really great for me in another one of my games. thank you so much, scum, for helping me out with this meta! ^__^

Oh,

P

ps, I'll do a AppleDashPie, if you want.

Oh, actually, You could just tack me on the end of AppleDash for a game.

Yep. I play very Twilighty as scum, calculate everything out as much as I possibly can. You were always a variable I was terrifed of throughout the game since I couldnt predict you.

If you want a DashiePie hydra I would be down for it, just ended a game so am trying to get a third one here soon, probably will join next normal I like the list and can play, not sure how PJ would react to a tri-dra. It took me a good month of pestering him to even get an AppleDash one made.

Although if we were to hydra AIM is good. I have tried it by QT a long time ago and its

SO

much harder than over AIM.

What is... P....j....?

You can always in as a Twi. We'd be signing as our characters. If Equinox is up for playing Rarity, and you go Twi, I'd prolly stay Pie, but...
Hey, I'm down for whatever. Our character interactions should affect our gameplay. I'm happy to switch up my character, I'm also in the market for a Princess Luna (Princess Luna (child), Princess Luna (adult), Nightmare Moon).

[Whiskers]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF


...lavor.
I don't like it.

[Whiskers]

Where "everypony died."

Hell, you culd have ended it with "and then they all fucked" and it would have been better.