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PBuG speaks major truthery. I glork many pants......PBuG wrote:Holy SHIT.
Unvote, Vote: massive_goonery; major FoS: Panzerjager
Are you kidding me? Voting this fast by Page 2? Nai's questions make sense, and I myself wonder about their answers.
I voted goonery over Panzer because Panzer actually has substantial reasoning, whereas goonery just seemed to be like "Tra-la-la-la-la, there's room for me to bandwagon."tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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That logic holds true for every single day 1 claim....Nai wrote:Yeah? Let's look at this for a minute. I claim. Town sees I'm town. They go after someone else, and get ANOTHER claim. That's two claims in one day, which helps the mafia either find a power role (if we don't find one of them first), or, either way, narrow down the list to FINDING a power role.
No, a claim is not always good. Especially if the reason for the claim/bandwagon is complete and utter crap, as is the case here.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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No. I wishNai wrote:Edit by way of quintuple post, TSQ?
First this assumes we have intelligent scum[/quote]And yes, I know the reasons for a bandwagon. But I think you get a lot less information out of a bandwagon for a stupid reason (since intelligent posters wouldn't want to be part of that) than you would an intelligent reason.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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TSQ was fishing for reactions. MG is scum.Ripley wrote:I think claims on Day 1 are far more likely to help scum than to expose them. When TSQ said that early claims were good I actually thought he must be joking, though with my record of detecting wit from that quarter, he was probably dead serious this time.
I'm keeping my original random vote on massive_goonery, for the reasons given by PBug in Post 46. Also, in most games I've played the high profile players over the first few pages - equivalent to TSQ and Nai in this game - have turned out to be town.
Vote: MassGtout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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This game violates that clause.The setting of a normal game should be Mafia related (or, on occasion, Werewolf related). Even flavor text should not be based on any book, movie, song, time period, etc.
This seems to allow PROther (new or otherwise) roles can be included. However, there should be no more than 1-2 of these, and they should be based around the usual game mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Voting.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Lynch all liars is a reaaaally dumb strategy. There has never been a time playing when you have not felt the need to lie as pro town?
Second: I ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS. The point is non unique. If what you're saying is true, then scum would not do what I did either, which makes it a nul tell. Unless someone can give a UNIQUE reason for why scum would do what I did, but town would not, votes should not be on me.
I'll forgive your strict adherance to LAL because you ARE a noob, mistah townsperson, but most players who know ANYTHING about mafia know that pro town players have to lie, some of the time.
Or some of the time they make up little challenges for themselves and see how long they can keep up the fascade; that was me.
I mean, I won't be getting lynched today whether you vote me or not, so I would advise you put votes somewhere that they are useful.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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That is my whole point, CoG.
Why is it that when someone does SOMETHING not necessarily within the confines of "normal" mafia play, it is immediately a scum tell?
I'll answer that for you. It isn't. A scum tell is derived by a certain person being more likely to do something as scum than town. Since you've admitted that you can't see a scum reason for me to do what I did, then voting me for it is, quite literally, retarded.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I don't think using a mod given false claim is exactly lying, or for that matter, particularly damning here. My argument is not that town players lie, and scum do not. It's that ALL players lie.
Also, to address something else:
1) You know nothing about arguments. The onusAs for tsq - seems like he's demanding that people provide reasons why he would stage a post-restriction stunt as scum but not as town, while himself failing to offer any reason why he would do it as town but not as scum. Like the onus is all on us, and I don't see why that should be. He was the one who, at the very least, has wasted our time and needlessly cluttered the thread with strings of tiny posts, for no better reason than his own amusement. Once he has claimed that he would lie to us over a prolonged period, and with no possible benefit to us, why would we believe anything he says again? How do we know that he's not lying now? It's not hard to think of reasons why he could have been post restricted yesterday but not today.ISon you, because you're the one making the positive assertion. That's how arguments work, the person making a positive claim has the burden of PROOVING it.
Since you are making the positive claim "TSQ is scum." YOU are the one that needs to provide reasons why that is true. If you can't, then the assertion falls.
THIS IS WIDELY ACCEPTED EVERYWHERE. Just look at wikipedia, ask anyone who does debate. Anything. It is logically impossible to prove a negative.
2) This is also true in the context of a mafia game. You have to prove why I am scum, if you do not, then there is no reason to vote me. Asking people to prove they're NOT scum is nonsensical, as if you asked all of us right now, we'd all be able to do basically nothing, and it would be wifom anyway, because we all could have done those things for the purpose of looking town.
3) There are a lot of things which have no benefit to the town, and yet are not scummy. A good example is recently I played (and won) a noobie without reading my role PM. This was obvious detrimental to the town, in theory, but you certainly can't tell alignment from it. This is the same way. Unless there is a reason scum would do what I did, there is really no reason to vote for it.
4) Your understanding is wrong. I made the PR completely up, I was not PRed yesterday at all.
The statement was a half claim, not arrogance. But that seems lost on you. I'm sorry if my breadcrumbs go right over your head.These are not the droids I'm looking for? O RLY? Thanks for the advice, but I'll leave my vote where it is.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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No, you're dumb. It's not a prerehersed argument, it's TRUTH. Like 3 people have said that I am scum for the lying (that's what LAL MEANS, tard.)Ripley wrote:
This sounds like a prerehearsed argument tsq had prepared in readiness for people claiming he was scum, and he didn't like to have it go to waste. I didn't claim anything of the sort. If anybody's making positive claims here, it's tsq, who is claiming "TSQ is innocent despite having lied to everybody all through Day 1". (If you'reThestatusquo wrote:1) You know nothing about arguments. The onus IS on you, because you're the one making the positive assertion. That's how arguments work, the person making a positive claim has the burden of PROOVING it.
Since you are making the positive claim "TSQ is scum." YOU are the one that needs to provide reasons why that is true. If you can't, then the assertion falls.
THIS IS WIDELY ACCEPTED EVERYWHERE. Just look at wikipedia, ask anyone who does debate. Anything. It is logically impossible to prove a negative.notclaiming this, please clarify.) So, you are the one who needs to provide reasons why that is true. According to your own logic.
Second. I do not have to make any positive claims to my innocense. No one does. Thats not how claims work. Unless there is a reason for someone to do so, no one ever HAS to defend the statement you made. The only reason one would have to make the claim "TSQ is innocent." is if it were being contested.
Third: Even if that were true: I HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS. I have already shown, quite conclusively I might add, that I lie as town, and therefore lying is not a scumtell for me. I have also argued that there is no logical reason why scum would do what I did, which is somehting you have ignored.
Um...Are you really saying that you think that I am lying and I really have a PR? Because I think if so then it's the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
No, your understanding is wrong. I know that's what you'rethestatusquo wrote:Your understanding is wrong. I made the PR completely up, I was not PRed yesterday at all.claiminghappened. My point was, why should we believe you? When a player has openly admitted to lying throughout Day 1, don't you think their subsequent credibility is damaged? Once you're established as a liar, it's just as likely that you were telling the truth yesterday and lying today (as opposed to the other way round). And for all we know, you'll pop up tomorrow and say that both yesterday's story and today's story were lies, and that the challenge you set yourself for Day 2 was to see if you could fool us two days running.
Furthermore, no one should ever have credability in a mafia game. mafia is a game of deception.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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