Skruffs wrote:12.) Instead of "Town or Mafia" alignments, players have "Work or Sleep" alignments. They may also be other alignments in play. For the purposes of this game, Work = Good, Sleep = Bad.
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Alas, sarcasm doesn't always come through in forum posts.
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Nai -3- (Elias_the_thief, IH,Thestatusquo)
Thestatusquo -2- (Nai, CoG888)
Panzerjager -1- (bird1111)
massive_goonery -1- (Ripley)
IH -1- (PBug)
Not voting - (massive_goonery, Panzerjager, Sailor Jerry, trestain)
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There is a lot being said, but nothing of significant content, with 30.487% of the posts coming from TSQ. 25 posts that try to justify your tactics of page 1 band-wagoning and early day one claims. And whats with the short doubling posting? Is your role "Joe's Snooze Button" and you can only type a certain number of characters per post?
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“For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”~ 1 Corinthians 11:30
massive_goonery - 5 - (Ripley, Thestatusquo, Sailor Jerry, Nai, PBuG)
Panzerjager- 1 - (massive_goonery)
IH - 1 - (CoG888)
Elias_the_thief - 1 - (IH)
Not voting - 4 - ( trestain, bird1111, Elias_the_thief, Panzerjager )
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Why, because I asked for a legitimate reason for the MG bandwagon? I am suspecting MG more and more, but I still don't see a strong enough case to lynch him this early in day 1. Personally, I am now seeing you, PBug as more scummy then MG due to your constant pushing for a lynch. You have not provided any actual evidence yourself, you simply agree with what others say or react to anyone who questions your motives.
VOTE: Pbug.
I will drop this vote and vote for MG if you provide the following:
1. I better reason to lynch MG other then his actions regarding Nai's bandwagon (specifically MG's vote after the wagon disbanded).
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I have never defended anyone in this game. I have merely asked you and Nai to expand on your reasons for going after MG, and I have said that if you do, I might vote to lynch him. Nai immediately answered my question, and I reviewed the thread considering what he said. You, instead of supporting your own vote and humoring me with a logical post, you attacked me.
I am a man of my word, soUnvote: Pbug. I will support a lynch if that is what the majority decides, but I will not vote now and put him at -1. I would like to hear what the rest of the town has to say.-
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"On Friday in eastern Seoul, a 16-year-old girl died from suffocation after she fell asleep in her room with an electric fan in motion."~Korea Herald, July 28, 1997.
Panzerjager -1- (PBuG)
Not voting -8- (Thestatusquo, Panzerjager, CoG888, Elias_the_thief , bird1111, Ripley, Fircoal, Jingolaw)
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I was a bit confused by panzer's hammer, considering he was in the same boat as MG. I stand by my statement that it was too early to lynch MG, and I felt PBug was the driving force behind the lynch. I wanted a more detailed explanation and more discussion, but Panzer hammered 44 minutes after Elias put down the -1 vote. Yes, he said he would hammer if the town agreed, but I don't think we were in agreement.
So,Vote: Panzerjager...
And Pbug, I don't think you need to claim right now. We rushed into a mislynch, but its not like you were solely responsible. Don't claim unless you have information that could help us now.-
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The result of being caught in a lie is being lynched because the town can not trust you. A pro-town player could not fulfill his/her win requirement effectively by lying. They are, in a way, throwing the game. Unless their win requirement happens to be different. That would suggest, however, that their allignment is not pro-town.
Thus, logically, you are not pro-town. If you are scum, it is to my benefit to lynch you. Likewise if you are a serial killer. If you are a jester, then it is in your best intrest to get lynched, and mine so we can move on with the game.-
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bird1111 has flown under the radar day one, and seems to be lurking now. Doesn't look like anyone else mentioned this. I just noticed that he was still in the game, I thought he was replaced.
I don't like sailor jerry's only post on day one, and I can't see much in fircoal's posts now. But what I think is really odd is that SJ made one post, voted for MG, when his fate was pretty much sealed, and got away with it.-
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Jingolaw: I have a hunch that pbug is not one of our killers. Mostly based on who he was voting and FOSing yesterday, and who turned up dead this morning. Of course I could be wrong... I could be blind to something obvious, but pbug is seeming pro-town to me... aggressive, but town none the less.
Panzer: That is true, but jingolaw was against the lynch, I was not ready to call it a day yet, and IH said he was not sold on it. Also, Sailor Jerry's vote was cast ten days earlier with his only post in the game. If he was playing, he may not have wanted to lynch yet. That leaves Seven that were ready to lynch. That is a majority but the town was clearly not in "agreement" yet.-
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PJ: My apologies. I thought you said you would hammer when the town was in agreement, but apparently you said you would hammer when elias put him at -1.
As for pbug, I did not mean that I expected to see one of his FOSes die, but that I expected some logical connection between the dead and those he called out on day one. I guess what I am saying is I am trying to rationalize the deaths and I don't see motivation for pbug killing either Nai or IH... And not because they were not good targets, but because their were others that seemed more likely targets....
I am way over analyzing this, but I am not getting scummy vibes from anyone at the moment, and that makes me nervous. We could be at lynch or lose today, depending on the number and type of killers.-
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“There are two types of people in this world: good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more." ~ Woody Allen
PBuG -3- (Jingolaw. Panzerjager, Cpt_Fantastic)
Panzerjager -2- (Fircoal, PBuG)
Fircoal -1- (Thestatusquo)
Not voting -3- (Elias_the_thief, GeneralCF, CoG888)
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FOS: Cpt_Fantastic
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Panzer, this point is null, because if TSQ had any desire to contribute to the game beyond what little he did, he could have broken his self created post restriction any time on day one. He chose to continue with his "handicap" until day two where most of the town wasted a alot of time arguing about his intentions for falsly assuming a post restriction. Now he defends himself by claiming that he did contribute.panzerjager wrote:...I think TSQ was successful in contributing under a post restriction....
I feel that TSQ's lack of contribution was masked by his fake post restriction, and that he is hindering us in finding scum.
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TSQ, I am a little angry with you. If you had fully claimed, you would not have been lynched, and the town would have had a shot at making a scum kill yesterday. Instead, you kept up with your half-assed "you are wasting your vote" arguement, which honestly felt to me like you were scum. It took a wasted lynch to reveal that you are most likely the alarm clock, and protown. And I think we may be at lynch or lose today. So, congrats, you have succeeded in making this game more difficult. I hope you won't wreak havoc on this game anymore.-
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It is not uncommon to have a role that can not be killed in a certain way, such as un-nightkillable or un-lynchable. TSQ was un-lynchable, and he claimed it was a one time-deal.
Panzer: I don't know why TSQ did not die at night. I am still trying to figure out why only one person died instead of two (like night one). Did the Vig wise up and ease off the trigger? Did the Doctor protect some one who was targeted?
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I wasn't certain either way, but his posting was suicidal to the town. Maybe his latest challenge for himself is to sabotage the town and come out as the hero. I am 99% sure he is town, so yesterday wasn't a complete waste. We can move on to the next suspect: Captain and Panzer were next on my scum list, so I will post my opinions on them tomorrow.-
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TSQ: You weren't going to claim, so thats a crap reason to suspect pbug...
Well, I promised some scummy info on captain and Panzer, but I have much more to post about Jingolaw.
Panzer: I suspected you mostly based on other's suspicions of you, and the hammer on MG from day one, as well as your tendency to follow other people's logic. However, I am now thinking that you are just a very logical consistent player, and you have not posted anything that proves otherwise. You are now off my scum list.
Captain: You replaced Ripley, who did not seem scummy to me, but you acted very scummy at first. Most of what you said seems to be lost in the crash, and I believe you would have been lynched had the board not gone down. The only evidence that remains is you being too lazy to read the full thread and comment on it, and you tried to get a pbug wagon rolling just because Ripley suspected him. Thats all I have, and not enough to vote on.
Jingolaw: I think you are the serial killer, or scum fishing for a serial killer/vigilante. The first thing that jumps out at me is your desire to direct MG's one shot kill. That really sounds like you wanted another kill for the night: MG's vig, your own kill, and the scum kill. Next up is you joining the first TSQ bandwagon and hopping off when it was apparent that he wasn't going to be lynched (yet). Then you vote for pbug, and when I semi-defended him, you claim that I proposed he was the serial killer (in post 307). I never said that. In fact, you have brought up the topic of serial killer in 3 of your posts prior to that, while the only time I ever mentioned it was in post 241 when I was considering different alignments that TSQ might have.
In post 322 you condemn General because bird hadn't been paying attention to the game? You are really grasping at straws now. Sound like you are desperate for a kill, however you can get it. Lucky for you that the town ganged up on TSQ so quickly that you were not associated with the kill.
Today, you are floundering. You are still after Pbug, who looks to be a prime target, but you are changing your story to match what the rest of the town is saying (that pbug is scum because of his hammer). For all of this:FOS: Jingolaw-
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“Death's brother, Sleep." ~ Virgil
PBuG -1- (Panzerjager)
Not voting -7- (Capt_Fantastic, CoG888, Elias_the_thief, Fircoal, Jingolaw, PBug, Thestatusquo)
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I have never backed up pbug. I only stated my opinion that the events of night one and pbug's motives did not line up in my mind. Panzer pointed out to me that scum wouldn't want their kills to make sense.-
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Fair enough argument, Jingolaw. I just have one question for you: Are you saying pbug is the serial killer, or are you saying he is either the serial killer OR scum?
A clarification about jumping off the TSQ wagon part one... I think if its clear that someone is not going to be lynched despite many votes, scum/SK will remove their vote and try to find a different bandwagon as soon as possible, so as not to look like they are vote hopping after the first wagon dies off. Doing so does not make someone scum, but I think it does make someone look scummy, when taken in context with other signs.-
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TSQ's reason for suspecting pbug is that he quickly hammered and did not allow TSQ a chance to fully claim.
That's BS because TSQ was not going to fully claim. He said exactly that.TSQ in post 422 wrote:PBuGs hammer seemed like he was rushing to avoid my actual claiming
So TSQ says he won't claim, pbug hammers, then TSQ whines that pbug didn't give him a chance to claim. Replace pbug's name with anyone's name, and I would still be pissed about what TSQ did.TSQ in post 386 wrote:I'm not claiming to this rubbish...-
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True. I am only trying to discount your connection between pbug and a full claim, because you were not going to full claim until after the non-lynch. pbug's quick hammer is a different issue entirely, and honestly, I don't know how I feel about it. So far, the three people who have commented on it all agree that it was suspicious. If pbug comes up town, those reactions could be giving something away.-
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Before anyone hammers, lets discuss this. We had two quick hammers in this game that got us to where we are now. Last thing we need is another dead townie. In fact, there are likely only 4 townies left.
I, for one, believe the claim. Pbug's play style and embarrassment at the beginning of day two seem consistent with this role.-
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I think you are "far scummier" because of your posts from earlier in this game, not from whether you believe pbug's claim or not. Elias and panzer don't buy it either, yet I have pro-town opinions of them.
I was not quick to vote. I suspected you two pages ago at the start of this day. You became aggressively defensive towards me, and that reaction is why I voted for you. You are one of two SK possibilities in my opinion, and unlike my other suspect, I think you will turn up scum if you are not the SK.-
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I have gone out on a bit of a limb with my defense of pbug, although seeing as how town likely has 4 members, and anti-town likely has 4, I believe anti-town has manipulated this vote quite succesfully. What I am most curious about is that Jingolaw stopped fingering pbug as the SK about the same time I suspected Jingolaw of being it himself.
If Pbug is scum, Jingolaw is certainly the SK. It would be to the SK's benefit to lynch mafia right now. It would be to the Mafia's benefit to kill the SK tonight.-
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Panzer. Can you provide me with some information about Jingolaw? "He's the most scummy" is not a good enough reason to vote on Day 4, IMO. My case against him yesterday focused on him being the serial killer (because I thought pbug was NOT the SK). Jingolaw was right about pbug, and I had egg on my face. So why are you now coming out against him with your first post?-
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Why are you linked to me anyway? You have pointed that out a few times now. I am not linked to anyone. If you are scum, you are clearly trying to connect me to yourself to get me lynched if you die. If you are vanilla, Then you must just share my logic, as you said before. If you have some type of role, I fear you are drawing attention to yourself, cause you are certainly making me suspicious of you.-
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I think Jingolaw has a very good case agianst you and you dismiss it as weak without properly defending yourself. Yesterday, you latched on to my theory about Jingolaw being the SK. I had very good reasons to suspect him, you just followed me onto the bandwagon. Pbug had a good reason to vote for him, he WAS the serial killer... he was motivated by death! You didn't bring anything else to the table, you just followed me, agreeing with what I said, like you have for the whole game. I wish I would have paid more attention to your quick vote on him after I voted. I think you are scum. Do you still agree with my logic?-
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