Mafia NK. Town lynches. Yes? I think that's where the "contradiction" comes in. I've seen mafia outed for mixing up their terms before. Just sayin.ryan wrote:I don't think I contradicted myself. I simply stated that if we (as a townie) lynch the wrong person than the mafia lynches another, wouldn't that be losing two of our players? I guess I shouldn't have said "we the town lynched" because it would technically be the town lynching one and the mafia lynching the other. I apologize for the confusion, my bad 8)Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ryan, are you scum too or what ?
You just said, and I quote,
You are definitely contradicting yourself.ryan wrote:I mean if he is town and you are town we would have just lynched TWO of our players.
DeathSauce wrote:Welcome DogMom, I'd like to see you be able to include everything that's happened in this Day into one of your (in)famous Wall O' Words!
TWELVE PAGES in a single post? Eesh, hope you got an hour or so to read it... 
Still trying to get all composey and everything. Hopefully my Wall O' Words will be coming shortly. Albert B. Rampage wrote:We are much better off lynching someone. So would you guys be ready to vote for Ryan ?
I've reviewed Stallingchamp's post, I don't see anything really scummy except for his lurking.
VanDamien also seems clean.
I don't think darhken has said anything at all in this game, maybe he was uninterested by a vanilla town role ?
Well, he's certainly not going to say anything 
For the sake of argument, for the sake of assumption,The mod, while conserving the name of the role, Psychopath, has made some interesting little changes. No longer does the first person voting, in this situation Deathsauce, dies. Instead, it is the person who hammers. I'm also aone-shot killing rolecapable of killing the night after I die.
?? How's that? Say we have a cop, and said cop claims today, gets whacked tonight, and..um...how do we find out who the vig is again? We started in the Day phase, which means we started with NO cop investigation, which means the cop would have nothing to reveal. So the cop would have to investigate someone TONIGHT, find out they're the vig, THEN come out TOMORROW as the cop with the vig result and die.Miztef wrote:@dogmom:
earlier in the game I considered hoping for ABR to be NKed, which is the absolute safest way to be rid of him. However, we cannot be absolutly assured of a vig today, and not tommorow either, unless a cop claims today, reveals the vigs identity and then dies so we know he is a cop. So basically, it's unlikely we will ever "know" if there is a vig, and therefore we cannot go on with the assumption we could get him NKed, at any point. It is much safer to plan to lynch him at this time.
Ew, I did forget to include the Mafia NK in that second lynch scenario, didn't I. Whoops. Sorry about that.VanDamien wrote:I tried presenting this reasoning earlier, but yours is much clearer, except you forgot something at the end. We start day 2 at 7:3. Lynch ABR, he takes out hammering townie and chooses poorly for his NK, we're at 4:3. THEN, the mafia kill also, and we're at 3:3 and have lost. Not LYLO Day 3, because there is no day 3. Here's my quandry: not lynching him ever has it's benefits, true; but if he's confirmed as scum as I believe he will be, then two more suspects move to the forefront pretty strongly.DogMom wrote:THE OBVIOUS:
We currently have 12 players.
THE ASSUMPTION:
1) We have 3 Mafia, since to have more would overbalance the game in favor of scum.
2) ABR is telling the truth and he's pro-town, will take out the hammah and one person of his choosing that night.
Starting with a Town:Mafia Ratio of 9:3 right now.
Should we lynch ABR today, that would bring us down to 8:3, minus the hammah and the Poster Of His Choosing.
If both of them are town, that already gets us to 6:3, with a single Mafia NK of a townie, means we start Day 2 at 5:3, which puts us in LYLO.
(Granted, if ABR selects well, or the mafia have a sudden Attack Of the Stupids, and therefore one hammers, or both, then we're doing much better, but this is Worst Case.)
OK, let's say we wait till tomorrow to lynch him, then.
We lynch someone --oops, it was a townie because this is Worst Case -- and we start the Night at 8:3.
Mafia NK; we start Day 2 at 7:3.
Lynch ABR, he takes out the hammering townie and chooses poorly for his NK target. 4:3. Still in LYLO, but LYLO is now Day 3
You're completely backward in your first and last scenarios.vollkan wrote:Well. Assuming the balance is 9:3 and ABR is telling the truth (for the purposes of argument):Thing is, if we lynch him, we absolutely must do it when we have at least 6 more townies than we do scum. Otherwise, town loses IF he's telling the truth AND the lynch vote is a townie and ABR chooses a townie for his NK.
If we lynch ABR AND the hammerer is town AND ABR NKs a town, and then the scum NK a town. Day 2 starts at 5:3. Loss.
If we don't lynch ABR and we lynch a scum and then scum NK a town. We start Day 2 at 8:2. If we lynch ABR AND the hammerer is town AND ABR NKs a town, and then the scum NK a town. Day 2 starts at 4:2. LYLO.
If we don't lynch ABR and we lynch a town, and then scum NK a town. We start Day 2 at 7:3. A lynch of any town player plus scum NKing a town will cause 5:3. Loss.
The second option is the worst case scenario if we lynch a scum today. It is lylo, not loss (as opposed to worse case today).
Honestly, please post something useful / game-related. I'll give you "not paying attention" a week ago. Now that you're "RIGHT HERE" and have been "for the past few pages", can you read the posts, and post some analysis? Please?HurriKaty wrote:Wow, I find it hilarious that you've all voted me because I dont post, and am "lurking" when I've posted more in the past few days than I have in the whole game.
I wasnt lurking early on. I was just plain not paying attention.
I am RIGHT HERE. I've been right here for the past few pages. This would have been really nice, oh, say last week when I wasnt paying attention, but when you do it now that I am, its really frustrating.
I cant believe this is happening again. I'm always damned if I do, damned if I dont in these things.
This, to me, is the important part. I've been in and read games where people lurk, and it's consistently thrown out that "scum wouldn't lurk, they're more involved in the game" - which IME is totally untrue.vollkan wrote:Hurrikaty definitely needs to post something substantial. The fact that she has made one sentence posts is inadequate and it shows that she is aware of the game, but is not contributing.
Why are you so sure it isn't a strategy? I don't for a second believe that it is a strategy, but you can't just dismiss the possibility. There are good reasons to be suspicious of Hurrikaty, as there are with any lurker.I only defend her because so many of you try to say how scummy she is all the time, where as I don't believe so. She may be lurking, but I think thats due to personal reasons not as a game strategy. Until I see some decent evidence against hurrikaty, or the lurking proves to be quite intentional, I'm not voting her.Until Hurrikaty posts something of some substance, there is every reason for people to think she is intentionally lurking.