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[Eteocles]

Hai, post in a minute. I was told that this game needed a kick in the bee-hind. ^_^ I'll try my best.

[Eteocles]

Okay, Ill just be reading this and writing my thoughts as I come up with them.

First Page:

Just random votes, nothing to comment on.

However, there have been some sightings of French people. And people have been dying every night for a week now.

HEY! I take offense at that remark!

Second Page:

Homophobic vote on TG starts a bandwagon. I can't say that I am a big fan of random bandwagons, can be used by scum to pressure a roleclaim out of innocents, but they happen in almost every game. It is only at l-3 so we will see where it take us. Remu dislikes random bandwagoning while everyone else seems to find it alright.

Although, if he was was bandwagoned, and happened to be vig; and mafia and SK didn't crossfire the whole game, then it does get down to 1 town, 1 mafia and 1 SK on day 4. But this situation requires quite a few improbable events to occur all at once.

Whats with the speculation on the setup?

Troisieme Page:

Bandwagon starts to change to Remu. I don't think that disliking random bandwagoning is particularly scummy, but at least there is a point to this bandwagon.

Random voting is useful only to scum. So I moved the game out of that stage.

What exactly did you do again?

Fouth Page:

Braze thinks that SP's parenthesis are scummy? Ok... Both are kinda Wtfish. YellowB keeps posting he wants more substance without doing anything substantial himself besides bandwagon jumping.

BB and YogurtBandit tack on more votes to the Remus bandwagon and YogurtBandit asks for a roleclaim from Remus. I don't like this at all.

FoS: YogurtBandit

Page 5:

but still pointing a FOS at Aceicks for his roel fishing. and for the fact that in post #43 he wrote

Although I'm not sure I agree with your statement that L-3 is dangerous. With 4 scum (+- 1 I believe) if we see 3 bandwagon votes on Trust in the next two hours then that kind of gives us most of the information we need.

i kept wondering why he posted this part...because as long as we have mafia among us they'll know what you're thinking. unless you are linked to them and telling them not to vote in a very subtle way

I agree with this but for different reasons. His speculation on how many goons ther are troubles me.

well, Ace, reverse-reverse-reverse-...-reverse psychology sometimes works. if you feel that mafia would be too stupid for a 3 person bandwagon on day one and say it loud they might just do it. we do have a bandwagon on remus now? what do you think of that?

I would say: Wifom?: if this wasn't my predecessor >.<

Aceiks, I think you are doing far too much overspeculation, and worse it's incredibly specific and is mostly baseless or at least based upon information that you don't

or should not

have. That doesn't read well.

IGMEOY: Aceiks

Agreed and fixed.

I agree with Remu's post 110.

My current impression of remussaidow now is that he's either a townie that doesn't mind being lynched, or scum playing it that way...

So you say you think he is a townie, but you don't unvote. Nice.

Remus claims townie. Can't say what I really think about this, obviously townie is a safeclaim for scum, but it really doesnt warrant any suspicion right now.

Sixeme page:

Remus says he cannot deffend against random attacks. Ace gives him questions he has not answered. Remus says he has already answered these things. I believe he has too right?

People get prodded/replaced. People don't seem eager to post. (TG)


And that brings us up to now. Right now I could vote for Ace or YogurtBandit. Mebbe Ace cuz he already has one vote on him.

What the hell, why not?

Vote: Ace

Ps. If there are grammer/spelling police here, they are going to lynch me. >.<


Werdz.

[Eteocles]

Eteocles wrote:
I believe he has too right?



Please clarify what you mean by this-
Do you mean that you feel that I have or have not sufficiently answered these questions?

I thought that you had answered the questions posted by Ace.

[Eteocles]

There prolly should have been a coma between "too" and "right". Meh...

[Eteocles]

UNvote

Giving a little breathing room.

Hmm... any reason for that besides "Giving a little breathing room"? That could be interpreted as scum backing off.

[Eteocles]

Hm. Fair enough...

[Eteocles]

I would challenge that if you aren't thinking about possible game scenarios, then you aren't fully considering the consequences of the actions you perform in the game. I apologise for saying my thoughts outloud.

Well it sure looks like speculation to me. Right now, we don't have enough information to be guessing at the setup.

But it's not speculation. It was simply speaking in hypotheticals. "If X then Y". I could have just as easily said "If we lynch the panda then the serpents will kill the DVD player tonight".

No where did I say or imply that I thought X was the case or any specifics about the game or roles involved. Well, I did say that there were 4ish scum, but I think that's a given in this type of game.

I'm not a dictionary, and I don't want to argue as such, but speculation in my book Isn't necessarily 'saything somthing must be true'. The point is that you are guessing around at the setup with no information, or scummy information. Nothing is a given in mafia. There is no way you can map out a setup on day 1, or even a hypothetical one.

[Eteocles]

Eteocles, welcome and thank you for the posts.

Oh, and sorry, Hello.

[Eteocles]

Although, if he was was bandwagoned, and happened to be vig; and mafia and SK didn't crossfire the whole game, then it does get down to 1 town, 1 mafia and 1 SK on day 4. But this situation requires quite a few improbable events to occur all at once.

How does this explain anything?

Actually I can map out a large number of hypothetical setups on day 1. I could create a list of them right here. It would include everything from 1 red, to 6 red, with some number of power roles thrown in for flavor.

And how does this help us at all?

[Eteocles]

Heh, I feel I should probably post something here. Been putting off doing it, no theatric excuses from me. At least I didn't promise anything (ha). Not much to say I think, I agree with most of YellowBounders post 202 and Qmans revote concerns me if just a little.

[Eteocles]

Sorry for not checking up on this.

Vote: Remus

[Eteocles]

you lynch me, and you'll just go back to random voting, you don't have any ground.

selfvote since no one else seems to care about trying to move the game on.

well, you know what. I don't give a crap anymore what you think is scummy or not, since moving the game forward meant I was scummy too.

[Eteocles]

and pardon me

Unvote: aceiks

[Eteocles]

Dead Sk. Nice.

Now, let's continue from yesterday?

Vote: Remus

[Eteocles]

Who is that?

[Eteocles]

Okay...

What. The. Everlasting. Fuck.

Speedlynch of remus...

BIG fuckin' HoS: everyone who jumped on the wagon

. I can't even talk about it right now...just...ARGH.

Am I the only one who doesn't see how remus is scummy at all, let alone enough for a speedlynch?

See you all after tonight.

That

Really

looks like you are setting yourself up to look town if Remus turns out to be townie.